Ring power. From whence does it come?
Keith
decades, and something has always niggled at me.
Where is the enormous power that the rings hold meant to have come from?
How could the act of forging them give them power unless that power was
already within the grasp of the forgers?
Perhaps someone can help here?
Thanks
Keith.
PS..
I have only "discovered" this newsgroup for myself recently, and I must say
it is pleasure to have done so.
From the unbending purist at one end of the "spectrum" to the
tongue-in-cheek mischief-maker at the other, most postings are highly
entertaining and/or enlightening
AC
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> I have read the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy several times over the past
few
> decades, and something has always niggled at me.
>
> Where is the enormous power that the rings hold meant to have come from?
> How could the act of forging them give them power unless that power was
> already within the grasp of the forgers?
The forgers of the Rings of Power put something of their own innate strength
(or power, if you like) into them. Sauron put much of his native strength
into the One Ring to be able to dominate the other Rings of Power.
Morgoth did the same thing, but on a much huger scale, when he imbued his
much of his own native strength throughout Arda, thus creating Arda Marred.
In fact, I believe that Tolkien did mention that it part of Sauron's ability
to forge the One Ring came from the fact that Morgoth's will was found
throughout the substance of Arda.
--
AaronC
Graeme
(or power, if you like) into them.
>>
That's true of the One Ring, certainly. But what about the others? Cirdan,
Gil-Galad and Galadriel were GIVEN the Three Rings, they didn't make them
themselves. It probably wasn't their own power that went into them. If
Celebrimbor put HIS own power into the Three and then gave them away, then what
a prince of a guy he was.
As for the Seven and the Nine, the bearers wouldn't have really had any power
TO put into them. Rather the reverse, the promise of power was the hook that
got them to accept the rings.
And speaking of that, it makes you wonder what the powers of the others were.
Apparently some kind of alchemical ability was built into the Seven. What
about the Nine? If you wanted to tempt a bunch of vain Kings into accepting
highly addictive and degenerative magical rings, what powers would you build
into them?
AC
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> >>The forgers of the Rings of Power put something of their own innate
strength
> (or power, if you like) into them.
> >>
>
> That's true of the One Ring, certainly. But what about the others?
Cirdan,
> Gil-Galad and Galadriel were GIVEN the Three Rings, they didn't make them
> themselves. It probably wasn't their own power that went into them. If
> Celebrimbor put HIS own power into the Three and then gave them away, then
what
> a prince of a guy he was.
If you're replying to my post, that wasn't what was said. The bearers
didn't put anything into the Rings, though they (or at least the One) gave
power according to stature.
Sauron aided in the forging of all but the Three, though his knowledge was
still used to forge those. I think that even the Three could only be forged
in Arda Marred, where so much of Morgoth's innate power was still in
existence. That is why they were bereft of their powers when the One was
destroyed.
--
AaronC
Howard S Shubs
graem...@aol.compost (Graeme) wrote:
> And speaking of that, it makes you wonder what the powers of the others were.
> Apparently some kind of alchemical ability was built into the Seven. What
> about the Nine? If you wanted to tempt a bunch of vain Kings into accepting
> highly addictive and degenerative magical rings, what powers would you build
> into them?
Strength, ability to read minds, ability to move faster than others, ability
to avoid detection, ability to avoid injury, ? just off the top of my head.
--
Howard S Shubs
"Run in circles, scream and shout!" "I hope you have good backups!"
Xerox is the anti-Microsoft. And visa-versa.
paulh
>I have read the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy several times over the past few
>decades, and something has always niggled at me.
>
>Where is the enormous power that the rings hold meant to have come from?
>How could the act of forging them give them power unless that power was
>already within the grasp of the forgers?
Magic means never having to say you're sorry...
paulh
Keith
"paulh"wrote
> Magic means never having to say you're sorry...
>
> paulh
now that one makes sense! :-)
Keith
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Gotta digest this.
Tapio Erola
> In article <20011230230013...@mb-mc.aol.com>,
> graem...@aol.compost (Graeme) wrote:
>
> > And speaking of that, it makes you wonder what the powers of the others were.
> > Apparently some kind of alchemical ability was built into the Seven. What
> > about the Nine? If you wanted to tempt a bunch of vain Kings into accepting
> > highly addictive and degenerative magical rings, what powers would you build
> > into them?
>
> Strength, ability to read minds, ability to move faster than others, ability
> to avoid detection, ability to avoid injury, ? just off the top of my head.
You forget most important: Immortality.
--
Tapio Erola (t...@tols17.oulu.fi) No mail to t...@rak061.oulu.fi please!
"I hope I die before I get old"
--The Who, My Generation
Matt Drury
Howard S Shubs
Tapio Erola <t...@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
> Howard S Shubs <how...@shubs.net> writes:
>
> > Strength, ability to read minds, ability to move faster than others,
> > ability
> > to avoid detection, ability to avoid injury, ? just off the top of my
> > head.
>
> You forget most important: Immortality.
They each got -that-, though. The other rings, as far as I understand it,
were each different, yes?
Russ
<ke...@paradise.net.nz> writes:
>I have read the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy several times over the past few
>decades, and something has always niggled at me.
>
>Where is the enormous power that the rings hold meant to have come from?
>How could the act of forging them give them power unless that power was
>already within the grasp of the forgers?
Sauron invested the Ring with much of his own innate power. Thus it is Sauron
himself that is the source of much of the Rings power. That's the simple
answer.
Russ
Russ
graem...@aol.compost (Graeme) writes:
>>>The forgers of the Rings of Power put something of their own innate
>strength
>(or power, if you like) into them.
>>>
>
>That's true of the One Ring, certainly. But what about the others? Cirdan,
>Gil-Galad and Galadriel were GIVEN the Three Rings, they didn't make them
>themselves. It probably wasn't their own power that went into them. If
>Celebrimbor put HIS own power into the Three and then gave them away, then
>what
>a prince of a guy he was.
The Mirdain did not forge the Rings of Power and the Elven Rings for power and
domination, thus there was no need for them to invest their Rings with their
own pwer.
>As for the Seven and the Nine, the bearers wouldn't have really had any power
>TO put into them. Rather the reverse, the promise of power was the hook that
>got them to accept the rings.
>
>And speaking of that, it makes you wonder what the powers of the others were.
>
>Apparently some kind of alchemical ability was built into the Seven. What
>about the Nine? If you wanted to tempt a bunch of vain Kings into accepting
>highly addictive and degenerative magical rings, what powers would you build
>into them?
The 7 and the 9 were not made with Men and Dwarves in mind. They were made by
the Elves for Elves (with a little help from Sauron). Remember, Sauron hoped
to use the One to enslave the *Elves* through the Rings of Power. However, the
Elves were too smart for that and took off their Rings (including the Three
that they made by themselves). Sauron attacked Eregion and recovered the Rings
and, having failed to enslave the Elves passed them out to dwarves and men to
try their luck with them.
Thus, the 7 and 9 were never intended for dwarves and men. Rather they were
passed out to dwarves an men after his original plan failed.
Russ
AC
> In article <m31yhbv...@localhost.localdomain>,
> Tapio Erola <t...@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>
> > Howard S Shubs <how...@shubs.net> writes:
> >
> > > Strength, ability to read minds, ability to move faster than others,
> > > ability
> > > to avoid detection, ability to avoid injury, ? just off the top of my
> > > head.
> >
> > You forget most important: Immortality.
>
>
> They each got -that-, though. The other rings, as far as I understand it,
> were each different, yes?
There were the Rings of Power, which gave the mortal bearer (apparent)
immortality. There were lesser rings, though other than Gandalf's
statements that they were still dangerous to mortals, nothing else is
said.
---
AaronC
Radagast
it he could not maintain his form and became kindof a spirit .
Also the nine rings held immortality for the nine kings "doomed to die" .
That is why they accepted them.
Radagast
"Keith" <ke...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
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Louis Epstein
: The one ring has some of Sauron's evil and will in it therefore when he lost
: it he could not maintain his form and became kindof a spirit .
: Also the nine rings held immortality for the nine kings "doomed to die" .
: That is why they accepted them.
: Radagast
And the Rings also took power from the depths of the Earth,
presumably to some extent a legacy of Morgoth...it was to be
in control of this power(and thus the other rings as well)
that Sauron infused the One with the greater part of his own
power.But the destruction of the One wiped him out...sort of
like pledging assets greater than one's own net worth to a
holding company in order to control its subsidiaries,and
suddenly those assets become completely worthless...leaving
you with less than nothing.
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