Glorfindal/Fall of Gondolin
SM303
captain of Gondolin??
The Sillmaillion says that Glorfindal captian of Gondolin fell in the retreat
fighting a Balrog.
e-mail your answers
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SM303 wrote in message <19990528224908...@ng-bg1.aol.com>...
<SNIP>
>
>e-mail your answers
Robert Brady
>Was the Elf "Glorfindal" in the Lord of the Rings, the same elf that was a
>captain of Gondolin??
Yes, the Noldo "Glordindel" was the same person in LOTR and the Silmarillion.
>The Sillmaillion says that Glorfindal captian of Gondolin fell in the retreat
>fighting a Balrog.
>e-mail your answers
No. You post here, you read here.
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dara...@my-deja.com
sm...@aol.com (SM303) wrote:
> Was the Elf "Glorfindal" in the Lord of the Rings, the same elf that
was a
> captain of Gondolin??
retreat
> fighting a Balrog.
>
> e-mail your answers
>
after the Sack of Gondolin. His 'soul' went to the Halls of Mandos and
after a period of time determined by Mandos (probably not too long) he
was given a new body and re-entered Valinor/Eldamar. This Glorfindel
did not return to Middle Earth.
The Glorfindel in LOTR is another person, born not long after the Sack
of Gondolin, who was given the same name, probably in honor of the
first Glorfindel.
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Waldhari
dara...@my-deja.com wrote:
In the "Peoples of Middle Earth" in "Last Writings", Christopher Tolkien
shows two drafts by his father in which the two Glorfindels are the same --
The Gondolin Elf lord re-incarnated and possibly shipping back to ME
sometime in the SA.
Waldhari
dara...@my-deja.com
Thanks for your info, I have not yet read 'Last Writings'. I had
thought that no high-elves came from the West to Middle Earth (although
I knew some visited Numenor during SA) after the end of the First Age.
I would be interested in learning what the logic was behind this return.
Öjevind Lång
dara...@my-deja.com hath written:
<snip>
Rings", and when he realized that he had used a name that had already been
borne by an Elf hero in the First Age, he didn't want to have two great
Elves of the same name; instead he decided to let Glorfindel be reborn and
sent back to Middle-earth on a mission - quite uniquely for an Elf.
Öjevind
Waldhari
> >waldhari wrote
> > In the "Peoples of Middle Earth" in "Last Writings", Christopher
> Tolkien
> > shows two drafts by his father in which the two Glorfindels are the
> same --
> > The Gondolin Elf lord re-incarnated and possibly shipping back to ME
> > sometime in the SA.
> >
> > Waldhari
>
> Thanks for your info, I have not yet read 'Last Writings'. I had
> thought that no high-elves came from the West to Middle Earth (although
> I knew some visited Numenor during SA) after the end of the First Age.
> I would be interested in learning what the logic was behind this return.
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
In the Fellowship of the Ring Glorfindel is said to have been one of the
'lords of the Eldar from beyond the furthest seas...'
That was one of the problems Tolkien mused over.
Tolkien also thought the repetition of: 'so striking a name, though
possible, would not be credible'.
A quote from 'last writings' .
'He [Glorfindel] then became a living incarnate person, but was
permitted to dwell in the Blessed Realm; for he had regained the primitive
innocence and grace of the Eldar. For long years he remained in Valinor with
the Eldar who had not rebelled, and in companionship with the Maiar'
Tolkien then goes on to say that Glorfindel's spiritual power was greatly
enhanced by his self-sacrifice in the Gondolin retreat, and at some point
befriended Olorin before returning to ME. He remains in the Blessed Realm by
his own choice, until:
"We may then best suppose that Glorfindel returned during the SA,
before the 'shadow' fell on Numenor, and while the Numenoreans were welcomed
by the Eldar as powerful allies. His return must have been for the purpose
of strengthening Gil-galad and Elrond, when the growing evil of the
intentions of Sauron were at last perceived by them.'
All quotes above from 'Glorfindel ii.'
Christopher Tolkien also notes that in 1938, when Tolkien was pondering 'The
Council of Elrond' his father wrote: 'Glorfindel tells of his ancestry in
Gondolin'.
There is more, but hope this helps.
Regards,
Waldhari - a fan of the mighty Glorfindel -
Michael Martinez
<7j15kg$am4$1...@nnrp1.deja.com> dara...@my-deja.com did proclaim:
>was a
>> captain of Gondolin??
>> The Sillmaillion says that Glorfindal captian of Gondolin fell in the
>retreat
>> fighting a Balrog.
>>
>> e-mail your answers
>>
> No. The Glorfindel in the Silmarillion was 'killed' in the retreat
>after the Sack of Gondolin. His 'soul' went to the Halls of Mandos and
>after a period of time determined by Mandos (probably not too long) he
>was given a new body and re-entered Valinor/Eldamar. This Glorfindel
>did not return to Middle Earth.
>
>The Glorfindel in LOTR is another person, born not long after the Sack
>of Gondolin, who was given the same name, probably in honor of the
>first Glorfindel.
You are cmpletely wrong on the second point. The two Glorfindels are one and the
same. After being re-embodied in Valinor, Glorfindel was eventually permitted
to return (or sent back) to Middle-earth during the Second Age.
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Robert Brady
>>Thanks for your info, I have not yet read 'Last Writings'. I had
>>thought that no high-elves came from the West to Middle Earth (although
>>I knew some visited Numenor during SA) after the end of the First Age.
>>I would be interested in learning what the logic was behind this return.
>>>
>Rings", and when he realized that he had used a name that had already been
>borne by an Elf hero in the First Age, he didn't want to have two great
>Elves of the same name; instead he decided to let Glorfindel be reborn and
>sent back to Middle-earth on a mission - quite uniquely for an Elf.
This is not entirely correct. There are notes in HOME which go along the
lines of... "Glorfindel tells of his ancestry in Gondolin", or similar, so
the topic was evidently on Tolkien's mind fairly early on in the writing of
LOTR.
The version of the tale which seems to have been the "last" was that
Glorfindel was sent back to Middle-Earth by the Valar to aid the Eldar who
remained there with the war against Sauron. The possibility of him arriving
with the Istari, (c1000 TA) was considered, but rejected.
--
Robert.
dara...@my-deja.com
Waldhari <wald...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
>
> > >waldhari wrote
> > > In the "Peoples of Middle Earth" in "Last Writings", Christopher
> > Tolkien
> > > shows two drafts by his father in which the two Glorfindels are
the
> > same --
> > > The Gondolin Elf lord re-incarnated and possibly shipping back to
ME
> > > sometime in the SA.
> > >
> > > Waldhari
> >
> > thought that no high-elves came from the West to Middle Earth
(although
> > I knew some visited Numenor during SA) after the end of the First
Age.
> > I would be interested in learning what the logic was behind this
return.
ancestry in
> Gondolin'.
> There is more, but hope this helps.
>
> Regards,
> Waldhari - a fan of the mighty Glorfindel -
Thank you Waldhari for your excellent info.
Paul (DARAT9999)
dara...@my-deja.com
"Öjevind Lång" <ojevin...@swipnet.se> wrote:
>
> dara...@my-deja.com hath written:
> <snip>
> >> > Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
> >>
> >> In the "Peoples of Middle Earth" in "Last Writings", Christopher
> >Tolkien
> >> shows two drafts by his father in which the two Glorfindels are the
> >same --
> >> The Gondolin Elf lord re-incarnated and possibly shipping back to
ME
> >> sometime in the SA.
> >>
> >> Waldhari
> >
> >Thanks for your info, I have not yet read 'Last Writings'. I had
> >thought that no high-elves came from the West to Middle Earth
(although
> >I knew some visited Numenor during SA) after the end of the First
Age.
> >I would be interested in learning what the logic was behind this
return.
> >>
the
> Rings", and when he realized that he had used a name that had already
been
> borne by an Elf hero in the First Age, he didn't want to have two
great
> Elves of the same name; instead he decided to let Glorfindel be
reborn and
> sent back to Middle-earth on a mission - quite uniquely for an Elf.
>
>
>
Dear Ojevind,
Thank you for your info on this.
dara...@my-deja.com
Michael Martinez <Mic...@xenite.org> wrote:
> On the day of Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:35:14 GMT in article
> <7j15kg$am4$1...@nnrp1.deja.com> dara...@my-deja.com did proclaim:
> >
> >In article <19990528224908...@ng-bg1.aol.com>,
> > sm...@aol.com (SM303) wrote:
that
> >was a
> >> captain of Gondolin??
> >> The Sillmaillion says that Glorfindal captian of Gondolin fell in
the
> >retreat
> >> fighting a Balrog.
> >>
> >> e-mail your answers
> >>
> > No. The Glorfindel in the Silmarillion was 'killed' in the retreat
> >after the Sack of Gondolin. His 'soul' went to the Halls of Mandos
and
> >after a period of time determined by Mandos (probably not too long)
he
> >was given a new body and re-entered Valinor/Eldamar. This Glorfindel
> >did not return to Middle Earth.
> >
> >The Glorfindel in LOTR is another person, born not long after the
Sack
> >of Gondolin, who was given the same name, probably in honor of the
> >first Glorfindel.
>
one and the
> same. After being re-embodied in Valinor, Glorfindel was eventually
permitted
> to return (or sent back) to Middle-earth during the Second Age.
>
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>
Thank you for correcting me. Honest to God, when I saw your name I
was afraid I would get some terrible 'flame', but it wasn't so bad
after all.
Michael Martinez
<7j8me1$dkh$1...@nnrp1.deja.com> dara...@my-deja.com did proclaim:
>
>
> Thank you Waldhari for your excellent info.
>
> Paul (DARAT9999)
It is extremely rude and annoying to cite an entire article for the sake of
adding one line of comment. Please trim the text if all you want to do is make
one general comment.
Michael Martinez
<7j9325$j2u$1...@nnrp1.deja.com> dara...@my-deja.com did proclaim:
> Thank you for correcting me. Honest to God, when I saw your name I
>was afraid I would get some terrible 'flame', but it wasn't so bad
>after all.
Unless you flame me first, you need never be concerned that I will flame you.
Don't believe the lies that the flamers post here. They're just trying to look
good at someone else's expense.
Grimgard
I can appreciate your thanking people who respond informatively to your posts,
but I would appreciate it even more if you would refrain from re-posting the
entire article.
Grimgard
Cats know what you're thinking. They don't care, but they know.
dbl...@comnet.ca
quote:
"Years later, after the publication of the Lord of the Rings, me
father gave a great deal of thought to the matter of Glorfindal and at
that time he wrote "The use of Glorfindal in LotR is one of the cases
of somewhat random use of names found in the older legends, now found
in the Silmarillion which escaped reconsideration in the final
published form of LotR. He came to the conclusion that Glorfindal of
Gondolin, who fell to his death in combat with a Balrog after the sack
of the city and Glorfinal of Rivendell, were one and the same: he was
released from Mandos and returned to middle earth in the Second Age."
On Thu, 03 Jun 1999 14:46:39 GMT, dara...@my-deja.com wrote:
>In article <37568401...@mediaone.net>,
> Waldhari <wald...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> dara...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>
dara...@my-deja.com
believe I'm not as computer literate as some of you guys/girls. Won't
happen again.
RLV
Michael Martinez wrote in message <7j8snp$1o...@drn.newsguy.com>...
>On the day of Fri, 04 Jun 1999 14:04:57 GMT in article
><7j8me1$dkh$1...@nnrp1.deja.com> dara...@my-deja.com did proclaim:
>>
>>
>>
>
>It is extremely rude and annoying to cite an entire article for the sake of
>adding one line of comment. Please trim the text if all you want to do is
make
>one general comment.
Oh God!, MM, now you are starting a flame war! How dare you flame poor Paul!
You are calling him "rude and annoying". Without any previous provocation.
He ought to start a no barriers hold flame war with you. And he would be the
righteous victim of your malicious conspiration.
Does it ring a bell? :-)
R.L.V.
---#----
Michael Martinez
<375e4...@sahara.cablecat.com> "RLV" did proclaim:
>
>
>Michael Martinez wrote in message <7j8snp$1o...@drn.newsguy.com>...
>>On the day of Fri, 04 Jun 1999 14:04:57 GMT in article
>><7j8me1$dkh$1...@nnrp1.deja.com> dara...@my-deja.com did proclaim:
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you Waldhari for your excellent info.
>>>
>>> Paul (DARAT9999)
>>
>>It is extremely rude and annoying to cite an entire article for the sake of
>>adding one line of comment. Please trim the text if all you want to do is
>make
>>one general comment.
>
>
>Oh God!, MM, now you are starting a flame war! How dare you flame poor Paul!
Sorry. That dog won't hunt.
Conrad Dunkerson
news:375e4...@sahara.cablecat.com...
> Oh God!, MM, now you are starting a flame war!
RLV, you have a point but you will NEVER convince Michael
of it. Take a look at some of his recent flames directed
at me - they can't have been "provoked" because I hadn't
flamed him, and he wouldn't have seen it if I had... he
does not read my posts. Yet, at roughly the same time he
was venting his dislike of me with unprovoked flames he was
calmly explaining how he only argues with people when
'forced' to 'defend' himself... or how it is "invariably"
others who start the nastiness. Completely untrue, but
written in a very rational and persuasive tone.
Many people have tried to suggest that he change his
posting style through the years - never with any success.
The attempts generally just give an excuse for continued
flames as he 'defends' himself.
As such I'd suggest you let it go. Take a look at Deja
News if you think there is any chance you'll be able to
accomplish anything by these attempts to reason with him.
The long history of bickering (including my own early
misguided efforts) should change your mind. Just be
content in the knowledge that there are plenty of people
around who agree with you... not even counting the many
who have left to escape endless harassment. If you leave Michael to his
own devices and bow out of confrontational situations things will
generally proceed more smoothly.
RLV
Michael Martinez wrote in message <7jmdk3$o...@drn.newsguy.com>...
>On the day of Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:43:48 +0200 in article
><375e4...@sahara.cablecat.com> "RLV" did proclaim:
>>
>>
>>Michael Martinez wrote in message <7j8snp$1o...@drn.newsguy.com>...
>>>On the day of Fri, 04 Jun 1999 14:04:57 GMT in article
>>><7j8me1$dkh$1...@nnrp1.deja.com> dara...@my-deja.com did proclaim:
>>>It is extremely rude and annoying to cite an entire article for the sake
of
>>>adding one line of comment. Please trim the text if all you want to do
is
>>make
>>>one general comment.
>>
>>
>>Oh God!, MM, now you are starting a flame war! How dare you flame poor
Paul!
>
>Sorry. That dog won't hunt.
Double standards. Simplest self-deceiving trick.
R.L.V.
---#----
Michael Martinez
>Michael Martinez wrote in message <7jmdk3$o...@drn.newsguy.com>...
>Paul!
>>
>>Sorry. That dog won't hunt.
>
>
>
>Double standards. Simplest self-deceiving trick.
It's amazing how quickly you have transformed yourself from the unwitting
flamer into the intentional flamer. You're following the pattern as
typically as anyone I've ever seen do this.
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RLV
Michael Martinez wrote in message <7jpglg$28k...@Org.xenite.org>...
>In article <375f7...@sahara.cablecat.com>, "RLV" <xm...@tinn.net> wrote:
>>Michael Martinez wrote in message <7jmdk3$o...@drn.newsguy.com>...
>>>>Oh God!, MM, now you are starting a flame war! How dare you flame poor
>>Paul!
>>>
>>>Sorry. That dog won't hunt.
>>
>>
>>
>>Double standards. Simplest self-deceiving trick.
>
>It's amazing how quickly you have transformed yourself from the unwitting
>flamer into the intentional flamer. You're following the pattern as
>typically as anyone I've ever seen do this.
Pointing the truth (oh, I forget, THE TRUTH) is also a flame. I see.
Yes, rubbing with you has taught me some tricks of the flamer. As you say,
you have seen many people who try to reason with you turn into flamers of
you. It is your nice-talking, reasonable, rational and open-minded
personality, to be sure.
One of the most amusing things is that you are the one involved in most
flames, you are provoking them continously, and yet you call everybody else
flamers and you the victim. Yes, I remember it from a textbook. Maybe I'll
dig it out.
R.L.V.
---#----
Michael Martinez
>Michael Martinez wrote in message <7jpglg$28k...@Org.xenite.org>...
>>In article <375f7...@sahara.cablecat.com>, "RLV" <xm...@tinn.net> wrote:
>>>Michael Martinez wrote in message <7jmdk3$o...@drn.newsguy.com>...
>>>>>Oh God!, MM, now you are starting a flame war! How dare you flame poor
>>>Paul!
>>>>
>>>>Sorry. That dog won't hunt.
>>>
>>>Double standards. Simplest self-deceiving trick.
>>
>>It's amazing how quickly you have transformed yourself from the unwitting
>>flamer into the intentional flamer. You're following the pattern as
>>typically as anyone I've ever seen do this.
>
>
>Pointing the truth (oh, I forget, THE TRUTH) is also a flame. I see.
If there were any truth up there, it got lost in your fury to recast
history.
Truth is not what you make it, it is what you must live with. And the
truth is that you flamed without provocation, apologized, and then did an
about face and have continued to flame and protest your innocence at the
same time.
You have no credibility as a peacemaker because all you have chosen to make
is war.
Joe Bader
On Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:10:40 GMT, Mic...@xenite.org (Michael
Martinez) wrote:
<<snip>>
Tolkien lived in Great Britain. Another great thing which came from
Great Britain was the Beatles (can you say synergy?)
"Have you seen the little piggies
Living piggy lives
And for all the little piggies
Life is getting worse.
In their lives there's something lacking.
What they need's a damned good whacking."
Joe Bader
Remember, that Millennium Man is a certifiable net abuser, and knows
all the tricks of the trade - heck, he's probably the biggest troll
the newsgroup knows.
Whatever. Just remember he's the only one diligent enough to type the
text of all the books (in some ways, I think he's trying to get around
the copywright laws. Once the entire text has been posted, how can
anyone claim copywright?), so if you need a good, electronically
reproducible quote, you'll just have to search through his messages.
In any case, I'm painting the target on myself for the remainder of
the flame war. Relax, and don't worry, he'll tire.
On Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:15:56 GMT, Mic...@xenite.org (Michael
Martinez) wrote:
<<snip snip snip snip snip>>
Michael Martinez
>Hie thee away, thou unrepentant abuser of the 'net.
Gosh, Joe, coming from you, that just doesn't sound like anything other
than the grossest hypocrisy. When are you going to stop trolling, lying,
and flaming? All you ever do is flood this news group with your off-topic
attacks.
You're just a NetKook at heart, aren't you?
Michael Martinez
>Hey RLV - Millennium Man's just trying to drag you into a flame war.
And you would NEVER try to start or provoke one yourself, would you, Joe?
But, wait! That statement is just another of your lies -- of course you're
provoking, trolling, and flaming again. That's all you EVER do, isn't it?
Here all these people keep posting articles asking that the flaming stop,
and you just keep right on posting your lies and flames. Gosh, how
thoughtful and considerate you are toward the Tolkien fans.
RLV
Conrad Dunkerson wrote in message
<7jn538$2j4$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
>
Thank's Conrad. I was already coming to realize this. The fact is, I believe
one can always find some sort of agreement with people through talking. With
most people, anyway. MM looks like a rational person when discussing Tolkien
(at least until he starts shouting), so I thought maybe he was just angry
and would in time calm down and think. Add to this that I'm almost as
stubborn as him.
Even so, maybe I'll make some last attempts at rational discourse. Who
knows?
R.L.V.
---#----
P.S.: I liked very much your quotes of MM. If he really doesn't read your
posts, he may have missed it. I'll put them here, and maybe he will read
them. It may even do some good.
Quote:
Michael Martinez <Mic...@xenite.org> wrote in message
news:7j7b7g$19...@drn.newsguy.com...
> I do not flame, I do not lie, I do not harass.
#1 Michael Martinez: "I do not flame"
"I get angry and when someone flames me I tend to flame back..."
Michael Martinez RABT, 02/15/98
"Of course, when I attacked Carl Anderson earlier this year I was
flaming willingly."
Michael Martinez AFT, 12/05/98
#2 Michael Martinez: "I do not harass"
"Until such time as you retract your statement or prove it to be true,
expect me to followup to your every posting in this news group pointing
out for others what a liar you are and citing the above article as
proof."
"It's your choice: retract, prove, or put up with with the brand of liar
for the rest of your participation in this group."
Michael Martinez RABT, 10/12/97
#3 Michael Martinez: "I do not lie"
See above.
End of quote.
RLV
Michael Martinez wrote in message <7jrjos$u8_...@Org.xenite.org>...
>In article <3760d...@sahara.cablecat.com>, "RLV" <xm...@tinn.net> wrote:
>>Michael Martinez wrote in message <7jpglg$28k...@Org.xenite.org>...
>>>In article <375f7...@sahara.cablecat.com>, "RLV" <xm...@tinn.net>
wrote:
>>>>Michael Martinez wrote in message <7jmdk3$o...@drn.newsguy.com>...
>>Pointing the truth (oh, I forget, THE TRUTH) is also a flame. I see.
>
>If there were any truth up there, it got lost in your fury to recast
>history.
>
>Truth is not what you make it, it is what you must live with. And the
>truth is that you flamed without provocation, apologized, and then did an
>about face and have continued to flame and protest your innocence at the
>same time.
And those are the words of JRRT himself, and so be revered.
If this your reading comprehension level, no wonder most people disagree
with your bizarre interpretations of Tolkien's words.
Please, re-read my posts more slowly and carefully. Maybe then you'll
understand some of them. Then, maybe not.
">You have no credibility as a peacemaker because all you have chosen to
make
>is war."
Milosevic said to NATO leaders.
R.L.V.
---#----
Michael Martinez
>Michael Martinez wrote in message <7jrjos$u8_...@Org.xenite.org>...
>>Truth is not what you make it, it is what you must live with. And the
>>truth is that you flamed without provocation, apologized, and then did an
>>about face and have continued to flame and protest your innocence at the
>>same time.
>
>
>And those are the words of JRRT himself, and so be revered.
Gosh, sarcasm. It couldn't possibly be an indication that you're just
being snide and petty, could it?
>If this your reading comprehension level, no wonder most people disagree
>with your bizarre interpretations of Tolkien's words.
And look, another flame from you. My, will wonders never cease?!
>Please, re-read my posts more slowly and carefully. Maybe then you'll
>understand some of them. Then, maybe not.
Oh, yours are quite easy for anyone to understand.
RLV
Michael Martinez wrote in message <7k6qlo$3uo...@Org.xenite.org>...
>In article <37661...@sahara.cablecat.com>, "RLV" <xm...@tinn.net> wrote:
>>Michael Martinez wrote in message <7jrjos$u8_...@Org.xenite.org>...
>>>Truth is not what you make it, it is what you must live with. And the
>>>truth is that you flamed without provocation, apologized, and then did an
>>>about face and have continued to flame and protest your innocence at the
>>>same time.
>>
>>
>>And those are the words of JRRT himself, and so be revered.
>
>Gosh, sarcasm. It couldn't possibly be an indication that you're just
>being snide and petty, could it?
No, it's just that your pretentious pretension that you are the only
interpreter of JRRT's words have become a running joke in the NG.
>>If this your reading comprehension level, no wonder most people disagree
>>with your bizarre interpretations of Tolkien's words.
>
>And look, another flame from you. My, will wonders never cease?!
>
>>Please, re-read my posts more slowly and carefully. Maybe then you'll
>>understand some of them. Then, maybe not.
>
>Oh, yours are quite easy for anyone to understand.
Then why don't you understand them? Anyone without flame-war mentality, you
mean? You read them looking for a flame war, and snip anything that doesn't
fit your narrow view of the world. And then you whine about being
"involuntarily" involved in flame wars. Maybe you even believe it. Do you?
R.L.V.
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Michael Martinez
>Michael Martinez wrote in message <7k6qlo$3uo...@Org.xenite.org>...
>>Gosh, sarcasm. It couldn't possibly be an indication that you're just
>>being snide and petty, could it?
>
>
>No, it's just that your pretentious pretension that you are the only
>interpreter of JRRT's words have become a running joke in the NG.
Well, here you have gone and posted the Classic Michael Flame (tm) -- the
one that started it all (or a close variation of it). So, now that you're
settling into the pattern of lying about me, is there any hope you'll
repent and just settle down to discussing Tolkien?
RLV
Michael Martinez wrote in message <7k8s45$2h8...@Org.xenite.org>...
>In article <37676...@sahara.cablecat.com>, "RLV" <xm...@tinn.net> wrote:
>>Michael Martinez wrote in message <7k6qlo$3uo...@Org.xenite.org>...
>>>Gosh, sarcasm. It couldn't possibly be an indication that you're just
>>>being snide and petty, could it?
>>
>>
>>No, it's just that your pretentious pretension that you are the only
>>interpreter of JRRT's words have become a running joke in the NG.
>
>Well, here you have gone and posted the Classic Michael Flame (tm) -- the
>one that started it all (or a close variation of it). So, now that you're
>settling into the pattern of lying about me, is there any hope you'll
>repent and just settle down to discussing Tolkien?
"Penitenciagite!"
"Cuándo el río suena, agua lleva"
R.L.V.
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