second age ME map?
Joe K
I need to acquire or construct a map of middle earth during the second
age: that is, after the drowning of Beleriand but before the drowning of
Numenor. I have the *third* age LOTR maps, and these seem to be
consistent with the various *second* age stories. However, the
Silmarilon states that middle earth changed greatly during the drowning
of Numenor:
"And all the coasts and seaward regions of the western world suffered
great change and ruin in that time; for the seas invaded the lands, and
shores foundered, and ancient isles were drowned, and new isles were
uplifted; and hills crumbled and rivers were turned into strange
courses".
(Akallabeth)
Can anyone point me to such a map or describe to me what were the
differences between the geography of second-age and third-age middle
earth?
Thanks,
Joe
wilde Ier
<jNOSPAM...@compuserve.com> wrote:
<snip>
>Can anyone point me to such a map or describe to me what were the
>differences between the geography of second-age and third-age middle
>earth?
"Unfinished Tales" is a good start (and a cracking good read for
Tolkien fans)
D.
coyotes rand mair fheal
the silmarillion and the lotr
Joe K
don't recall anything in there that specifically addresses changes in
geography of middle earth caused by drowning of Numenor. What exactly
are you referring to?
Regards,
Joe
Joe K
> the silmarillion and the lotr
Hi,
What's the evidence for this? (Especially the "by intention" part)
Regards,
Joe
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"Joe K" <jNOSPAM...@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> I need to acquire or construct a map of middle earth during the second
>
> Can anyone point me to such a map or describe to me what were the
> differences between the geography of second-age and third-age middle
> earth?
>
not really.
your quote that i snipped is the best.
there are some writings dealing with how the Numenoreans changed the
environment around the coasts near Dunland but that wouldn't affect the
coastline.
Steuard Jenson gave a hint in an earlier post that he believed that there
were (large?) fragments of Beleriand left over from the 1st Age into the 2nd
but i don't know what his source is.
ask him.
T.A.
Joe K
there
> were (large?) fragments of Beleriand left over from the 1st Age into
the 2nd
> but i don't know what his source is.
> ask him.
This issue (first age-> second age changes) seems well resolved. All
the sources I've looked at agree that Lindon and the Ered Luin are the
remnants of what was, in the first age, the *Eastern* border of
Beleriand (1). What I'm looking for are the changes near the end of the
second age.
(1) a question does occur to me: is there any indication where the area
that became Lindon in the second age was located North South along the
Ered Luin in the first age?
Joe
Joe K
> Rhun and Mordor.
Nice description of this can be found here: (I assume it's accurate?)
http://www.annalsofarda.dk/annals-of-arda/Places-index/Places.htm
Click on "h" then on "helcar"
Joe
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Joe K
Its ok. Mostly you did a great job. ;-)
(nobody is perfect)
Joe