Hobbits age
Bryan H Smith
our hobbits? I know if you go to the calendars and do the math you find
that Frodo is 51, Sam is 39, Merry is 37, and Pippin is 29. That seems
pretty straight forward. Yet, there's the question of the tweens, "the
irresponsible twenties between childhood and coming of age at
thirty-three". I take this to mean that Hobbit's mature later then men.
If we just pick 21 as the age of maturity for men, does that 12 year
difference make Pippin comparable to a young man of seventeen? That
would seem to fit in with Elrond's reluctance to let him go with the
Fellowship. Frodo would more like someone in their 30's. Then there's
the effect of the Ring on Frodo's apparent age.
Sorry if this was kind of long and rambling. I just think this might
have some bearing on the casting of the movie.
Phlip
>...Frodo is 51, Sam is 39, Merry is 37, and Pippin is 29...tweens...
Damn. Pippin is still in his "tweens". Tolkien left all the clues
hanging out, but he never actually stated it in the book's text.
Another excellent point - Elrond, despite himself having the kind of
immortality that the Eldar have, knows enough about the population of
Eriador to know that Pippin is too young by Shire reckoning for martial
duty.
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corresponds to two thirds of ours(in the line of maturity). So: 27*0.64=17.3
Pippin was 17(and Frodo was 36). Makes sense.
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Bryan H Smith <bryh...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Here's something I've always pondered. What is the subjective age of
> our hobbits? I know if you go to the calendars and do the math you find
> that Frodo is 51, Sam is 39, Merry is 37, and Pippin is 29. That seems
> pretty straight forward. Yet, there's the question of the tweens, "the
> irresponsible twenties between childhood and coming of age at
> thirty-three". I take this to mean that Hobbit's mature later then men.
> If we just pick 21 as the age of maturity for men, does that 12 year
> difference make Pippin comparable to a young man of seventeen? That
> would seem to fit in with Elrond's reluctance to let him go with the
> Fellowship. Frodo would more like someone in their 30's. Then there's
> the effect of the Ring on Frodo's apparent age.
> Sorry if this was kind of long and rambling. I just think this might
> have some bearing on the casting of the movie.
>
>
Seems like you answered your own question quite well. That is all pretty
much what I had thought. Pippin's relatively young age accounts for a large
part of his eventual popularity: Young Kennedy as a war hero=eventual
Presidency.
P.S. If long and rambling was a problem here, everyone in the Balrog debate
would have been cast into the Cracks of Doom long ago. ;)
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softrat
<bryh...@mindspring.com> wrote:
<snip>
>If we just pick 21 as the age of maturity for men, does that 12 year
Where, in Arda or Ea, did one ever find a man who was mature at 21?
Some never mature (like goldfish), they just become sexually active
(again, like goldfish).
the softrat
"I've been dissed by [Tinuviel]; my head is hangin' mighty low."
Samwise
Samwise skrev i meldingen <6tssmp$skq$1...@readme.online.no>...
>>our hobbits? I know if you go to the calendars and do the math you find
>>that Frodo is 51, Sam is 39, Merry is 37, and Pippin is 29. That seems
>>pretty straight forward. Yet, there's the question of the tweens, "the
>>irresponsible twenties between childhood and coming of age at
>>thirty-three". I take this to mean that Hobbit's mature later then men.
>>would seem to fit in with Elrond's reluctance to let him go with the
>>Fellowship. Frodo would more like someone in their 30's. Then there's
>>the effect of the Ring on Frodo's apparent age.
>> Sorry if this was kind of long and rambling. I just think this might
>>have some bearing on the casting of the movie.
>>
>>
>corresponds to two thirds of ours(in the line of maturity). So:
27*0.64=17.3
>Pippin was 17(and Frodo was 36). Makes sense.
>
makes him(29*0.63)18 years and three months mature(not old, for he *was* 29)
Bob Bayse
think humans are mature at 21. Ever thought about the possibility that
Humans and Hobbits might mature at exactly the same rate? And that
Hobbits were wise enough to know that people -- Hobbits or Humans -- in
their "tweens" were still not mature enough to make responsible
decisions?
Yeah, I believe that Hobbits mature a little more slowly than Humans,
but not that much. I think the effect is more that they just age more
slowly -- *after* maturity.
softrat wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:06:06 -0700, Bryan H Smith
> <bryh...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> <snip>
> >If we just pick 21 as the age of maturity for men, does that 12 year
ker...@delphi.com
> Here's something I've always pondered. What is the subjective age of
>our hobbits? I know if you go to the calendars and do the math you find
>that Frodo is 51, Sam is 39, Merry is 37, and Pippin is 29. That seems
>pretty straight forward. Yet, there's the question of the tweens, "the
>irresponsible twenties between childhood and coming of age at
>thirty-three". I take this to mean that Hobbit's mature later then men.
>would seem to fit in with Elrond's reluctance to let him go with the
>Fellowship. Frodo would more like someone in their 30's. Then there's
>the effect of the Ring on Frodo's apparent age.
specifically Pippin being about equivalent to a seventeen-year-old among us.
Solidarity
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Bryan H Smith
impetuousness. You know, dropping stones in wells, sneaking peeks in
Palantirs, stuff like that.
Bryan
Dumnorix
ker...@delphi.com wrote:
> Bryan H Smith <bryh...@mindspring.com> writes:
>
> > Here's something I've always pondered. What is the subjective age of
> >our hobbits? I know if you go to the calendars and do the math you find
> >that Frodo is 51, Sam is 39, Merry is 37, and Pippin is 29. That seems
> >pretty straight forward. Yet, there's the question of the tweens, "the
> >irresponsible twenties between childhood and coming of age at
> >thirty-three". I take this to mean that Hobbit's mature later then men.
> >If we just pick 21 as the age of maturity for men, does that 12 year
> >difference make Pippin comparable to a young man of seventeen? That
> >would seem to fit in with Elrond's reluctance to let him go with the
>
>
> >Fellowship. Frodo would more like someone in their 30's. Then there's
> >the effect of the Ring on Frodo's apparent age.
>
> For whatever it may be worth, this is just how I've always seen the matter;
> specifically Pippin being about equivalent to a seventeen-year-old among us.
>
> Solidarity
>
> --
> Kerry Elizabeth Thompson
> (Tinuviel)
Yes, but in subjective age 'among us' a seventeen year old would be like a six
year old, while a thirty-three year old would be like an eleven year old and a
forty-eight year old is like a seventeen year old.
At least that is what you would think by reading some of these posts and
threads.
(And I'm not excluding myself--Even if my limericks rule!!)
Grimgard
>Yes, but in subjective age 'among us' a seventeen year old would be like a
>six
>year old, while a thirty-three year old would be like an eleven year old and
>a
>forty-eight year old is like a seventeen year old.
Uh huh. But how old would a hobbit be in dog years?
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ker...@delphi.com
>> For whatever it may be worth, this is just how I've always seen the matter;
>> specifically Pippin being about equivalent to a seventeen-year-old among us.
>impetuousness. You know, dropping stones in wells, sneaking peeks in
>Palantirs, stuff like that.
grew up a lot durring his time in Minas Tirith, don't you? I mean, it has
always
seemed to me that by the time Merry comes in after the battle, Pippin
seems the more mature one. Of course, Merry is hurt, but still...
darkc...@my-dejanews.com
Dumnorix <dumn...@jps.net> wrote:
> > >our hobbits? I know if you go to the calendars and do the math you find
> > >that Frodo is 51, Sam is 39, Merry is 37, and Pippin is 29. That seems
> > >pretty straight forward. Yet, there's the question of the tweens, "the
> > >irresponsible twenties between childhood and coming of age at
> > >thirty-three". I take this to mean that Hobbit's mature later then men.
> > >If we just pick 21 as the age of maturity for men, does that 12 year
> > >difference make Pippin comparable to a young man of seventeen? That
> > >would seem to fit in with Elrond's reluctance to let him go with the
> >
> >
> > >Fellowship. Frodo would more like someone in their 30's. Then there's
> > >the effect of the Ring on Frodo's apparent age.
> >
> > specifically Pippin being about equivalent to a seventeen-year-old among
us.
> >
six
> year old, while a thirty-three year old would be like an eleven year old and
a
> forty-eight year old is like a seventeen year old.
>
> threads.
>
> (And I'm not excluding myself--Even if my limericks rule!!)
>
>
actually, having just passed the first half of my 34th year, i can understand
tolkien's "tweens". how mature are many of us, really, until we have reached
our mid 30's? the age is just that. frodo was 51, sam was 39....etc, etc.
there is no subjective age here, merely a matter of hobbits, and how they
looked at mature behaviour. it's a question of society & its expectations of
its members, not a question of "how old were they?" elrond's reluctance was
due to his own great age, and his understanding of the hobbit culture.
--
cynthy
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rivendell
Grimgard
>actually, having just passed the first half of my 34th year, i can understand
>tolkien's "tweens". how mature are many of us, really, until we have reached
>our mid 30's? the age is just that. frodo was 51, sam was 39....etc, etc.
>there is no subjective age here, merely a matter of hobbits, and how they
>looked at mature behaviour. it's a question of society & its expectations of
>its members, not a question of "how old were they?" elrond's reluctance was
>due to his own great age, and his understanding of the hobbit culture.
>
>
I find it interesting that feel that the age of maturity occurs right about at
the age that you happen to be right now. Most people probably feel the same
way, regardless of their age. It's almost enough to make me quote Shakespeare!
softrat
<snorp>
> It's almost enough to make me quote Shakespeare!
>
>Grimgard
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Gentle Softrodent
ker...@delphi.com
>For that matter, how old would a hobbit be in balrog years (Kerry?) or Ent
>years?
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her ruffled feelings