Oliphants
Michael Martinez
In article <887114264.436379@mn8>, "Tenderfoot" <the-ho...@SPAMbigfoot.com> wrote:
>What's the difference between an Oliphant and an Elephant? Are they like
>"Mammuts"?
I think consensus is that they are supposed to be primitive elephant-family
members, but not modern elephants. I don't recall Tolkien saying much about
them.
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DONALD G. DAVIS
Mic...@xenite.org (Michael Martinez) writes:
>In article <887114264.436379@mn8>, "Tenderfoot" <the-ho...@SPAMbigfoot.com> wrote:
>>What's the difference between an Oliphant and an Elephant? Are they like
>>"Mammuts"?
>I think consensus is that they are supposed to be primitive elephant-family
>members, but not modern elephants. I don't recall Tolkien saying much about
>them.
Tolkien's reference to the "oliphaunt" as "mumak of Harad" in LOTR
sounds suspiciously like "mammoth," in which case they may be imagined as
domesticated mammoths. On the other hand, mammoths were boreal beasts,
whereas Harad was a southern and presumably hot land, better suited to
modern elephants than mammoths.
--Donald Davis
Michael Martinez
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DONALD G. DAVIS wrote:
I think I remember reading in the LOTR that 'their later cousins were not as large' (or
something to that effect), implying that they were indeed the forefathers of the modern
elephant, and much bigger.
Pepijn.
Leonid Korogodski
This is just a game of words, in my opinion.
Michael Martinez wrote:
> In article <887114264.436379@mn8>, "Tenderfoot" <the-ho...@SPAMbigfoot.com> wrote:
> >What's the difference between an Oliphant and an Elephant? Are they like
> >"Mammuts"?
>
> I think consensus is that they are supposed to be primitive elephant-family
> members, but not modern elephants. I don't recall Tolkien saying much about
> them.
>
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Andie Roslie
Michael Martinez <Mic...@xenite.org> wrote in article
<6bqa69$m...@camel12.mindspring.com>...
> In article <887114264.436379@mn8>, "Tenderfoot"
<the-ho...@SPAMbigfoot.com> wrote:
> >What's the difference between an Oliphant and an Elephant? Are they like
> >"Mammuts"?
>
> I think consensus is that they are supposed to be primitive
elephant-family
> members, but not modern elephants. I don't recall Tolkien saying much
about
> them.
>
What I recall him saying about the "Oliphants" is that they were much
larger than modern elephants, and supposedly dwindled into what we have
today.
--Andie--
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LordCastor
I believe that Oliphants were susposed to be almost like the enormous woolly
mammoths from primitive Earth. I can support this with ICE's campaign material
but 'im not sure if it holds true to actual refernces from LOTR.
PD Macfarlane
LordCastor (lordc...@aol.com) wrote:
: I believe that Oliphants were susposed to be almost like the enormous woolly
: mammoths from primitive Earth. I can support this with ICE's campaign material
: but 'im not sure if it holds true to actual refernces from LOTR.
good model for the oliphant. I seem to recall that ME is Supposed to be
about 10 millenia ago, this would I think allow enough time for a sizeable
reduction in size to evolve ( or a subspecies to die out) I would suggest
that either the African or Indian Elephants would be good bets as a model
of general morphology, possibly giving the edge to The African on size
grounds.
DR.sTRANGEGLOVE
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winners 1996,1997.
David Salo
In article <EoBoA...@fsa.bris.ac.uk>, pm5...@ncs.bris.ac.uk (PD
Macfarlane) wrote:
> I seem to recall that ME is Supposed to be
> about 10 millenia ago
I don't know of any basis for this. Tolkien's own estimates seem to
range from 6000-8000 bp.
David Salo