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Gregory Hernandez

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Sep 8, 2005, 9:43:44 PM9/8/05
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I was wondering what the plans are after the conclusion of the current Lord
of the Rings discussion. I had volunteered to help moderate the discussion,
but Belba informs me that there are others also interested in doing the
same. Where do we stand on this, I wonder?

Greg


Belba Grubb From Stock

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Sep 8, 2005, 11:30:24 PM9/8/05
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Actually I mentioned that Web hosting, page writing, schedule setting
and so forth all need to be done. It has to be built from the ground
up, so to speak. Not to put him on the spot, but Christopher K.
expressed interest in this a while back and maybe he knows what the
current status of a /Silmarillion/ discussion project is. My stint as
Faithful Page Attendant will be over after this current COTW discussion
finishes up, and I won't be able to even be an HTML tag herder after
that, let alone take on a more in-depth role in another project; but
surely there are plenty of interested people who can get this going.
It's a good idea.

That reminds me: I need to update the page....

Barb, FPA

Christopher Kreuzer

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Sep 11, 2005, 7:01:13 PM9/11/05
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Belba Grubb From Stock <ba...@dbtech.net> wrote:
> Gregory Hernandez wrote:
>> I was wondering what the plans are after the conclusion of the
>> current Lord of the Rings discussion. I had volunteered to help
>> moderate the discussion, but Belba informs me that there are others
>> also interested in doing the same. Where do we stand on this, I
>> wonder?
>
> Actually I mentioned that Web hosting, page writing, schedule setting
> and so forth all need to be done. It has to be built from the ground
> up, so to speak. Not to put him on the spot, but Christopher K.
> expressed interest in this a while back and maybe he knows what the
> current status of a /Silmarillion/ discussion project is.

Not really! Other than I'd like to see it happen. There was a series of
posts about it a while back, and lots of poeple signed up for it. Maybe
I should gather those posts together and contact people, and post
another notice about it.

What we would need all to know is whether the current webpage could
still be used. If someone else was prepared to update the page, could
the same website still be used? Would you be able to find out?

> My stint as
> Faithful Page Attendant will be over after this current COTW
> discussion finishes up

There are a few more discussions aren't there? The index, maps and the
final all-encompassing round-up discussion?

> and I won't be able to even be an HTML tag
> herder after that, let alone take on a more in-depth role in another
> project; but surely there are plenty of interested people who can get
> this going. It's a good idea.

Well, regardless of what happens, it looks like there will be a break
until the CotW Silmarillion project is organised and the first few
chapters are signed up for.

But in general, do people here at the moment think that a break would be
a good thing. Or should we just carry straight on? I'd vote for a break
of a month or so, just because I need it, and also because things have
been a bit quiet around here (build up some momentum again), and maybe
to allow the LotR CotW threads to finish?

Gregory, what do you think? What do others think?

> That reminds me: I need to update the page....

:-)

Christopher

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Larry Swain

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Sep 12, 2005, 3:53:13 PM9/12/05
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If someone wants to be the organizer, I can do the web page and
"hosting", I have a modicum of space at geocities.

the softrat

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Sep 12, 2005, 4:40:18 PM9/12/05
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On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:53:13 -0500, Larry Swain
<thes...@operamail.com> wrote:
>>
>If someone wants to be the organizer, I can do the web page and
>"hosting", I have a modicum of space at geocities.
>>
Can I be The Enforcer?
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Gregory Hernandez

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Sep 12, 2005, 4:54:26 PM9/12/05
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"Larry Swain" wrote:
> If someone wants to be the organizer, I can do the web page and "hosting",
> I have a modicum of space at geocities.

I'd certainly like to lead a discussion on the SIlmarillion or help in any
way I can. If we can host the discussion at your site (which will basically
just be a link to the discussions threads on Google groups or elsewhere), I
can either provide summaries of the various books and their chapters, or do
as we've done here for the appendices of LotR, which is to have folks who
are so inclined do their own summaries and provide discussion points. If we
go the latter route, I'd like to have an idea who would want to handle which
parts of the Silmarillion. Ideally, as their are quite a folks who are waay
more knowledgeable than I am, we can go so far as comparing versions of the
various myths, as they appeared in the final published version of the
SIlmarillion, and the interim versions found in the HoME series.

Might as well be ambitious (and/or pinheaded, depending on one's point of
view).

GRH


Christopher Kreuzer

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Sep 12, 2005, 5:14:49 PM9/12/05
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the softrat <sof...@pobox.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:53:13 -0500, Larry Swain
> <thes...@operamail.com> wrote:
>>>
>> If someone wants to be the organizer, I can do the web page and
>> "hosting", I have a modicum of space at geocities.
>>>
> Can I be The Enforcer?

What does an Enforcer do?

Or rather, what would this Enforcer want to do? :-)

Christopher Kreuzer

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Sep 12, 2005, 5:34:01 PM9/12/05
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Larry Swain <thes...@operamail.com> wrote:

<snip>

> If someone wants to be the organizer, I can do the web page and
> "hosting", I have a modicum of space at geocities.

Would you be able to update the page fairly regularly? Or upload
something that someone sends to you? I think Belba updated the pages
every couple of weeks or so, which is OK as long as the chapters have
been signed up for several weeks in advance.

See also my post in a new thread, trying to summarise everything.

Christopher Kreuzer

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Sep 12, 2005, 5:54:34 PM9/12/05
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Gregory Hernandez <greg...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> "Larry Swain" wrote:
>> If someone wants to be the organizer, I can do the web page and
>> "hosting", I have a modicum of space at geocities.
>
> I'd certainly like to lead a discussion on the Silmarillion or help

> in any way I can.

See my separate post that attempts to identify what needs doing. There
is plenty that needs doing. Once we have the roles filled, and at least
the first few chapters signed up for, then everything should run fairly
smoothly. Hopefully.

> If we can host the discussion at your site (which
> will basically just be a link to the discussions threads on Google
> groups or elsewhere), I can either provide summaries of the various
> books and their chapters

All of them? That's ambitious! :-)

It would probably be best to have a variety of people doing the initial
posts, which are a summary with discussion points, as you say below. You
get different styles and viewpoints. Much better that way.

> or do as we've done here for the appendices
> of LotR, which is to have folks who are so inclined do their own
> summaries and provide discussion points.

This is how it has always been done, throughout the discussions on
chapters in /The Hobbit/ and chapters in /The Lord of the Rings/. I
wasn't around until the last few discussions from /The Hobbit/, and
didn't start participating until the first few chapters of /The Lord of
the Rings/ discussions.

> If we go the latter route,
> I'd like to have an idea who would want to handle which parts of the
> Silmarillion.

The normal way is to appeal for people to sign up for chapters. In my
other post I am going to summarise what happened in another thread a
while back, which included people putting their names on a provisional
list.

> Ideally, as their are quite a folks who are waay more
> knowledgeable than I am, we can go so far as comparing versions of
> the various myths, as they appeared in the final published version of
> the SIlmarillion, and the interim versions found in the HoME series.

Eek. Possibly. :-)

> Might as well be ambitious (and/or pinheaded, depending on one's
> point of view).

I think it is best to keep the initial discussion fairly limited to what
is in the published book, plus mentioning stuff from /The Hobbit/ and
/The Lord of the Rings/ if needed. Then the discussion can evolve from
there, with people bringing in the HoME material if they want to. Pretty
much as has happened in threads here. Though there were some
introduction posts for LotR that did go into detail with HoME material
about the LotR drafts, most didn't do this.

Larry Swain

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Sep 13, 2005, 1:18:33 PM9/13/05
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Yes, I think so. My impression is that updates are short and quick and
easy to load, so if that is the case (Belba?) then it should be no
problem to update.
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