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Timothy Sutter
Jun 6, 2012, 5:08:50 PM6/6/12
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> next, maybe, some consideration
> of 'tertiary' forms and their relation
> to God's own mental structure.
> where 'tertiary' forms would be
> the relatedness of various secondary
> abstractions from the wax impressions.
> one might suggest 'quaternary' forms, and
> find them to be of the 'zeroth' order instead.
> whatever that means...
maybe later
just, before you say out loud;
"God, come out the sky on me
and say "let there be light"
so i can know you're there"
that you'd be looking for the wrong thing
and that this sort of vision/sight may not
necessarily be the 'proof' you want anyway.
yeah, it's the first thing that
going to run through your mind;
"God, show me a sign"
little realizing that your
being there to ask such a thing
is already a remarkable accomplishment.
you just take your own being there for granted.
but you still want God to pop out the sky on you.
but this 'christian' thing brings
'the Presence' =itself= direct
-to- -you-
and that's the profound thing about
what God has done in Jesus Christ.
if God were to merely pop out the sky on you,
not to mention, that this would remain as
-just- you looking at something from the
outside and trying to make sense of it,
you'd still be comparing this to
phenomena that you experience everyday,
and, "to what -can- you -truly- 'compare' God?"
sort of like,
the manifold wisdom of God is not
a new 'man' that -you- can wrap
an olde garment of your sensory
comprehensions around.
like as if -you- would try to put
-your- old clothes on a new image
of God in your life and find that
not only do they not fit properly,
but you can't even find a proper
place to hang them on, and they
keep falling off.
and so, this -is- truly, a 'radical'
renovation of your very being insamuch
as God would bypass all the experiential
baggage and come directly under the soil
of your physical rationality and grab
hold of your unique identity structure
and bring -that- to the surface,
exposing and pruning away the roots
of the iconic portrait the existing conditions
has manufactured over top of 'you'
and -then- you will begin to actually
say that you -do- 'see God' in that you
come to realize... yeah yeah yeah,
you come to realize that God is not -in-
the earthquake or the hurricane or the
dazzling display of lights, but, in that
'still small voice' that presents itself
at your doorway asking you why you're there.
but really, when you ask for 'a sign'
you'd be looking for things that -you-,
under a heap of rubble, would consider
to -be- an image of God, little realizing
that you have =nothing= -to- take for 'granted'
in that you even should or could know what
such a manifestation can encompass.
as they say; 'first things first'
obviously, any 'imposter' could simply
appear to you in some form that -you-
would be 'expecting'
but none of this has ever been -about-
what -you- should expect.
-but- if God -did- surprise you
like some thief in the night,
you may also, -not- be expecting
that 'thief' to =give= you
your brand new heart.
...and then you can shake your head.
and you can -try- to convince yourselves
that the better idea will be exposed thru
the struggles of personalities only to find
that you've left your progeny nothing but
a bloody floor and them to mop up your mess,
and another brawl breaks
out amidst all the blood,
and no good better or best
has come from any of it.
it's not that 'politics' and 'religion' -don't- mix
it's that they -do- mix,
and as you may very well know
it is impossible for the cart -to- pull the horse
which is which?
now we may be approaching some sort of tertiary form.
"but i show you a higher way"
> it's not that 'politics' and 'religion' -don't- mix
> it's that they -do- mix,
the only way you can make them -not- mix
is if you try and destroy one or the other
little realizing that destroying one destroys both.
no, i didn't say that you could destroy God,
but religion is not God,
and you could destroy man.
how does man relate with man?
how does man relate with God?
how does God relate with man?
if your man does not relate with God,
then that 'man' more resembles a
mechanical device than a humane being.
scrap yard...
law reminders mutable immutable...
> of 'tertiary' forms and their relation
> to God's own mental structure.
> where 'tertiary' forms would be
> the relatedness of various secondary
> abstractions from the wax impressions.
> one might suggest 'quaternary' forms, and
> find them to be of the 'zeroth' order instead.
> whatever that means...
maybe later
just, before you say out loud;
"God, come out the sky on me
and say "let there be light"
so i can know you're there"
that you'd be looking for the wrong thing
and that this sort of vision/sight may not
necessarily be the 'proof' you want anyway.
yeah, it's the first thing that
going to run through your mind;
"God, show me a sign"
little realizing that your
being there to ask such a thing
is already a remarkable accomplishment.
you just take your own being there for granted.
but you still want God to pop out the sky on you.
but this 'christian' thing brings
'the Presence' =itself= direct
-to- -you-
and that's the profound thing about
what God has done in Jesus Christ.
if God were to merely pop out the sky on you,
not to mention, that this would remain as
-just- you looking at something from the
outside and trying to make sense of it,
you'd still be comparing this to
phenomena that you experience everyday,
and, "to what -can- you -truly- 'compare' God?"
sort of like,
the manifold wisdom of God is not
a new 'man' that -you- can wrap
an olde garment of your sensory
comprehensions around.
like as if -you- would try to put
-your- old clothes on a new image
of God in your life and find that
not only do they not fit properly,
but you can't even find a proper
place to hang them on, and they
keep falling off.
and so, this -is- truly, a 'radical'
renovation of your very being insamuch
as God would bypass all the experiential
baggage and come directly under the soil
of your physical rationality and grab
hold of your unique identity structure
and bring -that- to the surface,
exposing and pruning away the roots
of the iconic portrait the existing conditions
has manufactured over top of 'you'
and -then- you will begin to actually
say that you -do- 'see God' in that you
come to realize... yeah yeah yeah,
you come to realize that God is not -in-
the earthquake or the hurricane or the
dazzling display of lights, but, in that
'still small voice' that presents itself
at your doorway asking you why you're there.
but really, when you ask for 'a sign'
you'd be looking for things that -you-,
under a heap of rubble, would consider
to -be- an image of God, little realizing
that you have =nothing= -to- take for 'granted'
in that you even should or could know what
such a manifestation can encompass.
as they say; 'first things first'
obviously, any 'imposter' could simply
appear to you in some form that -you-
would be 'expecting'
but none of this has ever been -about-
what -you- should expect.
-but- if God -did- surprise you
like some thief in the night,
you may also, -not- be expecting
that 'thief' to =give= you
your brand new heart.
...and then you can shake your head.
and you can -try- to convince yourselves
that the better idea will be exposed thru
the struggles of personalities only to find
that you've left your progeny nothing but
a bloody floor and them to mop up your mess,
and another brawl breaks
out amidst all the blood,
and no good better or best
has come from any of it.
it's not that 'politics' and 'religion' -don't- mix
it's that they -do- mix,
and as you may very well know
it is impossible for the cart -to- pull the horse
which is which?
now we may be approaching some sort of tertiary form.
"but i show you a higher way"
> it's not that 'politics' and 'religion' -don't- mix
> it's that they -do- mix,
the only way you can make them -not- mix
is if you try and destroy one or the other
little realizing that destroying one destroys both.
no, i didn't say that you could destroy God,
but religion is not God,
and you could destroy man.
how does man relate with man?
how does man relate with God?
how does God relate with man?
if your man does not relate with God,
then that 'man' more resembles a
mechanical device than a humane being.
scrap yard...
law reminders mutable immutable...
Timothy Sutter
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Timothy Sutter
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Timothy Sutter
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Timothy Sutter
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Timothy Sutter
Apr 28, 2013, 5:17:10 AM4/28/13
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> > > but religion is not God,
> > >
> > > and you could destroy man.
> > >
> > > how does man relate with man?
> > >
> > > how does man relate with God?
> > >
> > > how does God relate with man?
> > >
> > > if your man does not relate with God,
> > >
> > > then that 'man' more resembles a
> > >
> > > mechanical device than a humane being.
> > >
> > > scrap yard...
> > >
> > > law reminders mutable immutable...
> > tytykuykutkuyykuykku
> hgykuykgktykuyykuykkutykuykutgkgh
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> > >
> > > and you could destroy man.
> > >
> > > how does man relate with man?
> > >
> > > how does man relate with God?
> > >
> > > how does God relate with man?
> > >
> > > if your man does not relate with God,
> > >
> > > then that 'man' more resembles a
> > >
> > > mechanical device than a humane being.
> > >
> > > scrap yard...
> > >
> > > law reminders mutable immutable...
> > tytykuykutkuyykuykku
> hgykuykgktykuyykuykkutykuykutgkgh
Timothy Sutter
Jul 6, 2013, 8:37:30 PM7/6/13
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96) Jesus [said], "The Kingdom of the Father is like a certain
woman. She took a little leaven, [concealed] it in some dough,
and made it into large loaves. Let him who has ears hear."
97) Jesus said, "The Kingdom of the [Father] is like a certain
woman who was carrying a jar full of meal. While she was walking
[on] a road, still some distance from home, the handle of the jar
broke and the meal emptied out behind her on the road. She did
not realize it; she had noticed no accident. When she reached her
house, she set the jar down and found it empty."
woman. She took a little leaven, [concealed] it in some dough,
and made it into large loaves. Let him who has ears hear."
97) Jesus said, "The Kingdom of the [Father] is like a certain
woman who was carrying a jar full of meal. While she was walking
[on] a road, still some distance from home, the handle of the jar
broke and the meal emptied out behind her on the road. She did
not realize it; she had noticed no accident. When she reached her
house, she set the jar down and found it empty."
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Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven,
and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son,
that Your Son also may glorify You, as You have given Him
authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life
to as many as You have given Him. 3 And this is eternal life,
that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ
whom You have sent. I have glorified You on the earth. I have
finished the work which You have given Me to do. And now, O Father,
glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which
I had with You before the world was.
John 17:1-5
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