Get ready to get sick!
Ron Z
Misty Devine
Ron Z wrote:
> Read this unsealed court document about Michael Jackson...
>
> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mjdec1.html
Dont you think that other kids would come forward if it were really
true? Seems like this family was just after money... If it were true,
that would have opened the floodgates and other children would have come
forward (especially since their parents would be seriously questioning
their children).
(((db)))
That freak deserves nothing less.
"Misty Devine" <mdev...@uwo.ca> wrote in message
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(((db)))
Misty Devine
"(((db)))" wrote:
> Give me a fucking break. Anyone else in the world would still be in prison.
> That freak deserves nothing less.
>
So you dont think there is a chance that someone would accuse him of that just
looking for money??
(((db)))
NO. Not someone that already had plenty. But the parents should also be
charged with neglect. Allowing the perv to get off the hook to do it again.
Besides that LaToya -his sister - backed up the allegations that he was a
pedophile. His own actions and words speak only to seal this. "If there were
no children I would kill myself" rephrased in better words. Only a ped would
say this against everything else that was said and shown.
(((db)))
Well he certainly gave it. Anyone else would fight it. Just giving up a dime
states total guilt. If a kid accused anyone of that they would be ignorant
to pay up. Not only that but Jackson continues the same behavior possibly
setting himself up, as you say, for more extortion. To state he didn't want
an OJ circus is BS. He didn't want the charge. He knew he was guilty. It's
onre thing to be Gay. No one would give a shit. But to be a closet pedo and
get away with it is another. I'm afraid the end is near for Jackson.
Misty Devine
"(((db)))" wrote:
I disagree. He is a very private and "shy" person. To go through a long trial
that exposes every secret of his past would be the ultimate nightmare for him.
Paying them $50 mill to drop it would be worth it for someone who is so
incredibly emotionally unstable. His mind is so fragile. He could barely
handle a mild interview about his abused past. How would that mind hold up
against hot shot lawyers and round the clock media coverage. It would
absolutely destroy him. He would lose the shred of sanity he is holding on to
and most likely kill himself.
I don't think he is very interested in fighting a charge just for the principal
of it. No matter what he does, and how well he proves his innocence, people
will always ridicule him. People will believe what they want to believe.
Whether he has a trial that officially states he is innocent, or bypasses a
trial with a settlement, some people will still call him a pedophile. And
everyone else will still wonder. A trial will never totally convince everyone
of a person's innocence or guilt. It didn't help OJ did it? (Although I do
feel he is most likely guilty)
Be emphatetic. Just pretend for a moment that he really is innocent. Imagine
you are him, and you are innocent and being accused. And you are barely sane as
is. Really put yourself in his shoes. What would you do? Honestly think about
it. You may feel backed in a corner. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
When you are as mental as he is, you dont. Just withdraw further and hope the
world goes away.
No one has a right to judge someone unless they are capable of true empathy.
When you can really see things from another's point of view, and really consider
all aspects of their situation, thats when you have a right to judge.
keith.smith11
What abused past? The one MJ claims? Ok if you believe MJ without proof,
then you must believe the allegations that were made about him.
foreverfan
Best wishes,
Linda
http://www.michael-jackson.beginthier.nl/
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alan jones
(((db))) <d...@msn.com> wrote in message news:reR1a.583751$U47.3...@news.easynews.com...
> Give me a fucking break. Anyone else in the world would still be in prison.
> That freak deserves nothing less.
Listen friend, an alligation means nothing if the person making the
alligations and their motives isn't also considered. There's a reason
why this other point of view isn't given the same prominance.You
make the predictable, but do you realize how little you know? Why
in an information age are you still so uninformed on the facts of this
case, do you care that the people on whom you rely for your opinons
will only go so far on the presentation of information.
=== Truth ===
What is truth? That which goes unchallenged? Whatever you can persuade
the majority to believe?
There was a time when a flat earth was the truth, and the media of the day,
the Catholic church, insisted on pain of death that the Earth was also at the
centre of the universe. The whole of the civilised world believed this 'truth'.
For generations, non questioned this truth, that was until someone noted the
obvious contradictions and dared to question them.
Only a fool assumes all he knows, is all there is to know. The best you can
do is recognise the contradictions and care enough to question them. Do
you see the contradictions enough to want to question them, or is that facility
beyond you, as haplessly perpetuate a lie.
==== So what don't you know? =====
Michael is now judged against a single unsubstantiated allegation. Our
view of this unique individual is tainted by an episode most people
actually know very little about. All that remains is the fact that a civil
case, like a lot of civil cases, was settled out of court.
Did you know the boy in question, was administered Sodium Amytal, a
barbiturate, an invasive drug that puts people in a hypnotic state and leaves
them prone to the powers of suggestion. This, in the company of his father!
Did you know that the mother of the boy resisted the claims made by the
father, I mean if you can't trust a mother's instincts what can you trust?
Consider the course of events, A month after the LA riots, Michael's van
happens to breakdown a stones throw from a garage, Mr Chandler has a
part share in. Over the next year, he encourages Michael to befriend his son,
whom Michael practically adopts as a surrogate fan, [note this isn't the
typical fan drawn to Michael, but a son forced on Michael by a calculating
parent]. A year later Michael takes the boy and his mother to the World
Music Awards. A month after the whole world has had chance to see
Michael with Jordy, [dressed as a Jackson protégé], the boy's father puts
his plan into action.
- Quote from the GQ article 'Was Michael Jackson framed'
Elsewhere on the tape, Chandler indicated he was prepared to move
against Jackson: "It's already set," Chandler told Schwartz. "There are
other people involved that are waiting for my phone call that are in
certain positions. I've paid them to do it. Everything's going according
to a certain plan that isn't just mine.
- EndQuote -
"a certain plan that isn't just mine", this is from a tape recording that was made
by an associate at the time of Chandler, boy's step father. It was brought to the
attention of private investigators working for Michael Jackson, by the boy's
Mother, who wanted nothing to do with this plan. Right from the start its clear
there were other forces present, those that orchestrate the frenzy, then step back
and watch as events take its course.
Consider the American judiciary, which is composed of a 'Civil' and 'Criminal'
court. Rather than pursue justice in a Criminal court, this Mr Chandler looks
to a Civil court action, which are two a penny in the states. Why? Is this the
typical actions of someone looking for justice? Or might the reason be, because
you can't done for perjury in a civil court. Unlike a Criminal case which requires
'proof' and formal charges of a crime. A Civil case requires *no* such proof and
*no* charges whatsoever . A civil case also invites the opportunity to settle out of
court, not on a matter of legality, but simple because the alternative is to leave your
finances at the discretion of the courts. Chandler knew this as he side stepped
the normal route to hurry this Civil case. It would seem any allegation is enough
for the charade of a court case, and the ensuing drama. Its that easy to exploit a
popular misconception and tarnish a reputation.
Consider also that the father co-operates with a journalist to write a really odious
trashy book, going into gordy detail about his son. This is surely not typical of
a father just seeking justice. Later this same journalist was found guilty of slander,
when Michael takes him and an American 'news' program 'Hard Copy' to court.
In the case Michael won damages of 27 million dollars when this journalist was
found guilty of concocting a lie, a lie too far. Rather than pay he flied to Mexico.
Was this the actions of someone with truth on their side?
Now consider this news program 'Hard Copy'. It was one of the primary sources
for the 'breaking news' headlines which made its way around the world. They cite
this journalist, with connections to the Chandler camp, as their primary source for
the news they broke to the public. The news you take blindly on face value, was
orchestrated by sources with attachments to the Chandler camp!!
Take another look at the actual Criminal investigation that was launched on
the back of Chandlers allegation. *Millions* of dollars was spent by prosecutors
and the LAPD in two jurisdictions, they questioned close to 200 witnesses,
including 30 children who knew Jackson, "not a single corroborating witness
could be found". They investigated all the stories that went into print, all stories
the tabloids saw fit to throw silly money at, Not one was prepared to swear on
oath, and give the criminal case the tiniest piece of independent evidence of
a crime.
Not one!
When you consider that in spite of any civil settlement, the Chandlers could
have been subpoenaed and forced to testify in a Criminal case, it exposes
this SCAM as having the single unsubstantiated claims of a crime, with the
Chandlers, and even then the Mother wanted nothing to do with the claims.
Our judgement of Michael is now tarnished by that greedy accusation.
On the face of it, this we appear to a be case of extortion, indeed Michael made
that counter claim to the LAPD, who took practically no action to investigate it.
Why? Doesn't it make sense to at least exclude the possibility of extortion?
Personally I see Chandler as just a means to an end. An elaborate attempt to
silence a point of view in the culture, but unless you know what Michael was
saying back then in his prophetic album 'Dangerous', the album interrupted by
this SCAM, you can not hope to put the disparate pieces of this puzzle together,
or arrive at anything like an unbiased opinion.
Of course people will look to the settlement, the sum of which has never been
disclosed and say, why should an innocent man settle, why not take his chances
in court. But then you've seen how little time was spent by the system to examine
Michael's counter claim of extortion. He would have seen the obvious lies being
bought and sold in an era of 'cheque book journalism gone mad', and then
wondered at the intentions of the system, where might it have ended? Imagine
Michael as just another statistic in a system, we are obliged to view as infallible.
Imagine Michael convicted, not for committing a crime, but simply for being
too different.
Further, Michael was advised this case could drag on for up to 7 years!! That's
from '94 to 2001, which means it would be ending just about now .........get it?!
It would have meant 7 years of the same sordid stories that were fed to the press,
7 years of the same orchestration. Importantly, for someone that's dedicated their
whole life to Music, it would have meant 7 years with out being able to create or
tour. In short, Michael would have been unable to live. As Michael said he just
wanted to get his life back.
This was never about truth or justice, but about an exploitable situation, Michael
would have been the first to have known that.
=== Culture =====
Some no name scam artist constructs a lie that panders to your gullibility and
you buy it hook line and sinker. Do you challenge the lie, look to find the
truth for yourself? No! Instead you simple follow the pack. Have you no sense
of being manipulated, or don't your care, as you come here and spout as you've
been programmed.
The only people with an excuse for ignorance might be the current generation.
Anyone old enough to see the change in popular culture can surely make the
connections for themselves.
Without the likes of Michael, talented and prominently offering a differing
point of view, offering choice, look where the culture's been taken.
Construct a lie for fools who don't know better, and anything can step into
the void. Create a mindset for the young who won't know any better, and any
one or anything is able to inherit that programmed mindset at some unforeseen
point in the future, to do as they please. But you can't see that far a head.
You see no value in speaking 'to' and 'for' the young. Why should Michael
make a point of relating to the next generation, asking the question, what does
the world look like, as seen with the eyes of child?
But you don't get it do you. Whined on tabloids and so accepting you'll come
here and spout, an old headline because you can and because you're just too
lazy to think for yourself. To the average tabloid consumer, Michael is too
odd, too different and that is reason enough to condemn him.
Its all about the culture, what you say, what you *allow* to be said.
=== The manipulation of Culture =====
For me this case exposes other issues, issues with wider implications on the
manipulation of truth in a Democracy, this case serves as a paradigm on the
nature of conveyed truth, for the army of those that still care for such things.
[ maybe this is part of a game, a chess game of moves and counter moves played
every generation, with this being, in some perverse way, just another move.]
On the eve of this scandal Michael was awarded a special privilege, he was
awarded the special title of 'Point of Light Ambassador, by the then President
George Bush. I wonder what president Bush had in mind when he proclaimed
Michael thus? Is Michael even in his demise still fulfilling that role?
If I were very cynical, I might say Michael's fan base and his global following
means there are enough people that care, enough people who will look for the
truth and in so doing will see the manipulation that takes place in the larger
scheme of things.
Enough people for this paradigm, on the nature of truth, to exist and foster
a decerning eye on the nature of the media, and the way that most people will
blindly absorb whatever it produces. Blindly accept, without an eye for subtext,
without questioning the motives of those who supply their truths. Maybe that's
way too cynical.
Aj - 'Heal the world'