Vinnie Calluta and David Sanchious
Andi
keyboard) left Sting愀 band?
Thanx
Andi
Baron
by a person who has worked with him. I don't think Vinnie, left, either. I
have know idea about David.
Greg
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has completed two solo discs, only one has been released to date. Recently, he
had been recording and touring with Seal and Eric Clapton.
The "official word" on Vinnie Colaiuta is that he didn't feel like taking on
another long tour with Sting and opted on returning to session drumming and
gigs with the fusion band Karizma. But this I know for sure: Vinnie began in
the drummer's seat on the recordings of what became Brand New Day. After five
days in the studio, he left (after completing his drum takes for The End of the
Game, Fill Her Up, After the Rain has Fallen, Brand New Day, and All Would
Envy). I heard rumors about an big argument between he and Sting, but nothing
was substantiated.
TheGlarb
all too thrilled with playing second fiddle to Kipper's cliche' use of drum
machines and samples.
To hear the true maestro of mayhem at the top of his game, check out Vinnie
with Robben Ford and Jimmy Haslip on Jing Chi or with Warren Cuccurullo(Zappa,
Missing Persons, Duran Duran), Nick Beggs (Kajagoogoo) and Pino Palladino (Don
Henley, Phil Collins) on Thanks to Frank. His refined work with Sting gives no
indication of what unnatural feats this guy can perform behind a drum kit.
Wensleydale
You listen to him wailing on the outro to fill her up and you can clearly
hear that the man can play his fucking ass off... and if you ever heared
Manu Katché play the same tune (or seven days, or any other odd signature)
you know which of the two can put more into a tune.
btw - loved thanks to frank... what are the Jing Chi and Karizma CDs like?
W
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Wensleydale
his most recent interviews comes across like a born-again... maybe he just
didn't wanna tour, but that doesn't explain why he's not on the whole BND
CD...
W
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>hear that the man can play his fucking ass off...
I never meant to imply that he isn't still the most incredible drummer to ever
pick up sticks. I meant that he wasn't given enough opportunities to show off
what amazing playing he is capable of while playing with Sting. The majority of
BND was dominated by machines and samples and I think he would have been very
bored with the laid back setlist and the obvious limitations of the back up
band on the last tour. At this point in time, he'd rather go blow at the Baked
Potato and leave the middle of the road stuff to somebody else.
And I agree that Manu isn't very comfortable with playing on odd metered songs
(even he has readily admitted this in Modern Drummer). That's Manu on the
verses and choruses of Fill Her Up, until the gospel part. I hope you have
heard the original version of that song, which includes Vinnie's full drum
track and that is in seven throughout the entire song. It's on the recent
Fragile cd single.
> what are the Jing Chi and Karizma CDs like?
Jing Chi is a bluesy fusion session with Robben Ford (of Miles Davis, Joni
Mitchell, The Yellow Jackets, etc) and Jimmy Haslip (Bruce Hornsby, The Yellow
Jackets, Blackjack, etc). Vinnie even wrote a couple of the tracks. Karizma
is with Michael Landau, David Garfield and Neil Stubenhaus and that is off the
wall fusion akin to Vinnie's solo album, mixed with more typical jazz fusion.
Wensleydale
One of the things which I really dig about Vinnie's playing was his ability
to fit in with the musical setting he's in. I mean, despite his phenomenal
talent, when he's playing pop stuff he is the living definition of
subtlety... the antithesis of someone like carter beauford... in fact it was
Vinnies performance on the MTV awards in 1994 which made me wanna play drums
in the first place. I just remeber this geeky lookin' guy was making the
grrove to If I Ever Lose My Faith just cook...
As for Manu, drummers the world over will berate me for saying this, but I
think he's really over-rated... and I'm really not talking about chops or
anything here. I know he's not Vinnie, and he never could be. Maybe I've
only seen him when he's having a bad play day but he rarely seems
comfortable. and as for not being cool with playing in odd sigs, then he
shouldn't have been in the seat for Sting...
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Zbert
creats a very nice vibe to the songs he performs on in the studio. Listen to
what he does on Soul Cages. It's beautiful. BUT, yeah, I've seen Vinnie play
and mister he's no Vinnie. Two different schools of groove. I was very
dissapointed when I saw Manu on the BND tour. He just didn't push the band. The
band was capable of being pushed as seen when Abe jr joined the group. Vinnie
is just such a big GROOVE player. Compound that with his ability to play in any
time signiture you can come up with ( see Joe's Garage - Zappa) Well, I hope
you see what I mean. I've seen Vinie twice with Sting (94 and 96) Sting really
let's him play away live. Add to that the great keyboard players, the jazz
influence they bring to the table. IMHO it defined Stings sound for a good
number of years. I love that Sting plays with so many differerent players. It
makes a big reason why I'm so into Sting. I have over 200 live shows on disc.
The musicianship just keeps me comming back. Each of these players have brought
something really great to the Sting "table". Yes, I would love for Vinnie to
stay foever but then I would have never heard how great Abe is on drums.