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Why don't R2D2 & C3PO remember Tatooine?

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Cathy

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Nov 16, 2002, 10:51:27 AM11/16/02
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In ep4 (orig movie), R2 and C3PO are bought by Luke and his uncle. They seem
to have never been to either Tatooine or the farm before, and the uncle
doesn't recognize C3PO (or the designation). Yet in ep2 (Attack of the
Clones), when Padme and Anakin go to Tatooine looking for his mother, they
have R2 with them, and C3PO is working at the farm then! Bit of a
continuity boo-boo?
Cathy

John R. Rybock

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Nov 16, 2002, 11:06:27 AM11/16/02
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a) Check for the FAQ or do a Google search - this has been asked
multiple times.

b) There are no continuity errors until Ep III comes out - if you
haven't seen where that leaves things, how can you say there is an
inconsistency?

c) Ep IV also established it was routine to have a droid's memory
wiped. Given where we believe things are going to be left at the end
of Ep III, it is likely the droids will have their memories wiped to
protect the twins.

JR

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Nov 16, 2002, 12:18:56 PM11/16/02
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sigh


only the memory of the droids are erased. You'll find out in EP3 about
Uncle Owen and why he is so...bitter.

JR

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> On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:06:27 -0500, John R. Rybock spilled a can of
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> soup, and found:

> ok... so you think Uncle Owen's memory will be wiped as well? And Aunt
> Berut(sp?) ?
>
>


Cathy

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Nov 16, 2002, 12:48:07 PM11/16/02
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On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:18:56 GMT, JR spilled a can of alphabet soup, and
found:

> sigh

<SNIP>
> JR

Having trouble breathing? Try coming off that high horse, the air is pretty
thin up there..

Cathy

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Nov 16, 2002, 11:33:52 AM11/16/02
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On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:06:27 -0500, John R. Rybock spilled a can of alphabet
soup, and found:

> On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:51:27 GMT, "Cathy" <c...@guesswhere.com> wrote:

ok... so you think Uncle Owen's memory will be wiped as well? And Aunt
Berut(sp?) ?


Dr. Hypermodern

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Nov 16, 2002, 2:03:24 PM11/16/02
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"Cathy" <c...@guesswhere.com> wrote in message news:<f43941223b1535...@40tude.net>...

In Episode 3, Obi wan tells r2 d2 that he should not tell anything
what has happened. and he clears c3po since he is a big blabber mouth

John R. Rybock

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Nov 16, 2002, 2:01:22 PM11/16/02
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Why should they remember the droids? They aren't people, they are
machines, tools. Don't think they spent any real time talking to 3P0,
just sending off to do tasks, and only had passing contact with R2. 22
years later, there is no reason for them to really remember them.

Impmon

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Nov 16, 2002, 4:31:45 PM11/16/02
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On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:33:52 GMT, "Cathy" <c...@guesswhere.com> typed:

>ok... so you think Uncle Owen's memory will be wiped as well? And Aunt
>Berut(sp?) ?

Doubt that. They probably see so many protocol and astromech droids
they probably never stopped to think the possibility the 2 they just got
are the same.

Also I don't think Owen and Beru ever met R2 before as R2 stayed in the
ship the whole ep 2.

Rich Mackin

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Nov 16, 2002, 5:22:28 PM11/16/02
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"Impmon" <Imp...@tds.net> wrote in message
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They would have seen R2 when he came out to tell Anakin & Padme about
Obi-wan's communication, but how would they necessarily recognise one blue
R2 from the countless others spread throughout the galaxy? The same goes for
protocol droids.

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Cathy

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Nov 16, 2002, 7:33:05 PM11/16/02
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On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:01:22 -0500, John R. Rybock spilled a can of alphabet
soup, and found:

I was thinking they would remember C3P0, as he was the driod that Ani's mom
brought with her when she was bought by their father. Granted, they weren't
born when she arrived, but they "grew up" with C3P0, and you *know* that
*kids* would talk to droids. So when Owen talked with C3P0 in ep4, (when he
bought him), I would have thought he would have remembered him.
Cathy

Anybody

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Nov 16, 2002, 7:57:05 PM11/16/02
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In article <848ecdb926ac69...@40tude.net>, "Cathy"
<c...@guesswhere.com> wrote:

> I was thinking they would remember C3P0, as he was the driod that Ani's mom
> brought with her when she was bought by their father. Granted, they weren't
> born when she arrived, but they "grew up" with C3P0, and you *know* that
> *kids* would talk to droids. So when Owen talked with C3P0 in ep4, (when he
> bought him), I would have thought he would have remembered him.
> Cathy

Oh, confusion, confusion, confusion. :-)

OK. Firstly, droids are ten-a-penny in the Star Wars universe and most
are totally ignored except when issuing orders or complaining when they
break down.

Next, at some stage over the next 20+ years C-3PO has his coverings
changed from the second-hand "silver" in Epsiode II to gold in Episode
IV, so he even looks different - one of millions of similar droids.

Lastly, Shmi is Clegg Lars' second wife. Owen was born many years
before Shmi arrived, he was already have been pretty much grown up by
the time she and C-3PO moved in.

Chris Cox

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Nov 16, 2002, 8:22:51 PM11/16/02
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"Cathy" <c...@guesswhere.com> wrote in message
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You come asking a question. People point you in the direction where this
question has been discussed before. You become pissy about it, someone gets
frustrated and you tell THEM to get off their high horse?

Piss off troll.


David B.

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Nov 16, 2002, 10:38:48 PM11/16/02
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JR wrote:
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> sigh
>
> only the memory of the droids are erased. You'll find out in EP3 about
> Uncle Owen and why he is so...bitter.

He's bitter because C3PO ended their gay love affair.

Andrew Murray

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Nov 17, 2002, 4:29:09 AM11/17/02
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Owen obviously DOES remember all that has happened because he tries his
hardest to keep Luke on Tatooine, and doesn't want him having anything to do
with Ben Kenobi......

Beru says "You can't keep him here forever....he has too much of his father
in him....."

Owen responds: "that's what I'm afraid of"......

So in other words they know everything that has happened to Anakin becoming
Vader and are afraid the same will happen to Luke.

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Andrew Murray

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Nov 17, 2002, 4:26:10 AM11/17/02
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They probably had their memories (of Episode I and II events) wiped.....as
probably happened as they transferred around different owners. Other
discussion on this topic here at this NG.

In Ep IV C3PO mentions "the rebellion against the Empire" so he must have
some memory of it.

Quote "What, with the Rebellion and all" in reply to Luke's : "You guys'
seemed to have seen a little action lately....?" (while cleaning artoo detoo
just before the holo-message plays for the first time.).


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Andrew Murray

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Nov 17, 2002, 4:56:25 AM11/17/02
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No Artoo did not "stay on the ship"

He was about to follow Anakin and Padme over to the Lars homestead, but
Padme tells him to wait with the ship.

Anakin greets Cliegg and introductions are made to Beru and Owen......Anakin
asks about his mother and gets the bad news that she is prisoner/slave to
the Sandpeople.

Meanwhile Artoo rolls over (in his typical disobedient fashion!) and bumps
into Threepio, who recognises him

That's not to say that Owen and Beru formally were introduced to Artoo, but
he did not stay on the ship.

Like other posters to this NG have said one protocol droid is like any
other - so Threepio could have been just another protocol droid as far as
the older Owen in Ep IV was concerned.....

In Episode II we see Threepio at the Lars place, he seems to be working on
the moisture vaporators.....but, he "first job" was "programming binary load
lifters" (as he tells Owen in Episode 4).

What would he have done in the 10 years between Ep I and II??

....maybe with their memories wiped, false memories were
programmed.....including his 'work experience' and the knowledge of being
owned by General Antilles, the person who previously owned the droids
according to Threepio, rather than Artoo's claim of being "the property of"
by Ben Kenobi.

Of course, this may well have been the truth, Artoo and Threepio may have
come into the ownership of someone else.

If Artoo truly hadn't been to Tatooine previously, how would he know where
to find Kenobi? Maybe he was programmed with intimate details of Kenobi's
secret location.....

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Desperado

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Nov 17, 2002, 8:57:30 PM11/17/02
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Could they be other robots? Maybe R2D2 and C3PO are just model names.
That would be a really long shot!
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David B.

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Nov 17, 2002, 10:45:06 PM11/17/02
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Desperado wrote:
>
> Could they be other robots? Maybe R2D2 and C3PO are just model names.
> That would be a really long shot!

You make too much sense. I wonder why you're here. We kinda frown on that.

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