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Darth Sillious a plot hole or a non-Palpy???????

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Jul 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/23/99
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Seriously... Why would Sidious even care to have any contact at all with the
Neimioudians in the end of the movie? What do I mean?

As I see it, Sidious actions in the last part of the movie are either plain
stupid, a major plot hole... OR a sign that he is NOT the same person as
Palpatine.

It's as simple as this:

Palpy's objective is to rid Valorum of the little power he still has and to
be elected chancellor. Am I right?
Sidious is the character that helps the trade fed. to invade Naboo. This in
turn leads to the opportunity for Palpy to convince Amidala to vote Valorum
out of the chalncellorship. Right!?
What we are lead to believe in the plot is that Palpy and Sidious are one
and a same person, and that Palpy - as Sidious - arranges for the whole
chain of events that lead to the take-over.

BUT... Why, when Palpatine has gained the power he wants, does he, IF HE IS
SIDIOUS, care about what happens on Naboo and what happens with the
princess??? Why does he risk his the life of his only apprentice in a
meaningless battle on the insignificant planet of Naboo??
Why does he do all this, when he has already reached his goal; the
leadership of the senate?

And furthermore... Why does he hunt the princess??? Why does he send DM to
track her down? ...IF his objective is to get her to Couruscant to vote
against Valorum?? Why wouldn't he have DM retrieve her to safety? Maybe that
was DMs true objective, but if so, we are not told. It sure seems like DM is
out to nail her...
With his light-staff, that is. ;o)

Personally I hope all this is not only plot-holes, bu I fear that they are.
I still think that Palpy and Darth S are the same, but You have to agree
that the story really, in a way, leads to a different conclusion...?

Ok, let me know what You think.

Chris Gomez

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Jul 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/23/99
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Some simple spoiler space... I think it still hasn't come out some places...
but i dunno...
scroll down...

Simply answering your questions... you raise some good issues

When the Queen decided to return to Naboo, Palpy had merely won nomination,
he had not been elected Chancellor (we presume) until the battle of Naboo
had been decided. He certainly had no use for the queen anymore, she'd done
her part by calling for the vote of no confidence.

So maybe he just wanted to get rid of her... I dunno, she was somewhat less
predictable and naive as he figured. However, this is a good point of
contention. I think it has to be pointed out that the election was not over
when she chose to return. Perhaps the Jedi were simply too close... Qui-Gon
mentioned several times that the situation was not what it seems. He may
have figured he could wipe out the only people who might be able to piece
things together.

Her death in a war on Naboo might gain a greater sympathy vote, I don't know
what he was thinking.

I think that GL is treating this trilogy as a "new" trilogy. What else
would explain that us old SW fans know immediately about the Palp/Sid
connections but newbies will have this plot twist uncovered for them later.
Many of my friends who weren't really into "SW classic" don't know who the
Phantom Menace was, or they think it was Maul... So the Palp/Sidious
connection is meant to be a mystery to new fans, but for us I suppose there
will have to be deeper intrigue unfolding in Episode II. Again, I don't
know.

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David Sambrook

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Jul 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/23/99
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I was under the impression that when the Queen leads the battle on Naboo the
leadership has still not been resolved. Palpy is nothing more than a
candidate. Hence he keeps the battle raging and his sympathy vote increasing
whilst waiting to see if he is voted leader. We don't find out that he has
won until after the battle is long over and he can return victorious to
Naboo. His sympathy vote would have been even greater if the queen had been
killed by a mysterious Sith lord and the people of Naboo ethnically
cleansed.

Luke

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Jul 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/23/99
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DARTH SIDIOUS AND SENATOR PALPATINE ARE ONE AND THE SAME PERSON! HOW MANY TIMES
MUST YOU PEOPLE BE TOLD!!!!!!!!
Sorry for shouting but it really gets on my nerves when people don't realise
this!!!!
Luke
:-/

Chris Gomez

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Jul 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/23/99
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I THINK HE KNOWS THAT AND BESIDES THE MOVIE JUST RELEASED SOME PLACES THERE
IS MORE THAN JUST THE U.S. YOU MORON! HOW MANY TIMES MUST YOU PEOPLE BE
TOLD!!!!!!

Sorry for shouting, but it really get on my nerves when people aren't
courteous...

Luke wrote in message <3798EDDA...@eidosnet.co.uk>...

Tim Scott

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Jul 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/24/99
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all we be revealed in EpII !

Anders Vegger

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Jul 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/24/99
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He plays it safe. He can´t loos this way. If the princess die, he will get
elected because the senator wouldn´t help Naboo in time. And if the Princess
survives he will get elected because theres still a chance to show that the
republic is strong and caring.

PM skrev i meddelelsen ...

Andy Kayley

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Jul 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/24/99
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I've heard that Palatine is a Clone of Sidious

Wes Hutchings

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Jul 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/24/99
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Still sounds like a fart to me.

wes

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Robby Walker

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Jul 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/24/99
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I believe that Palp/Sid sent DM for a few reasons.

1. He believed that DM would triumph over the Jedi, otherwise he wouldn't
have sent him. So his first goal was to wipe out the Jedi.

2. Since he thought DM would win, maybe he thought that it would be good
practice for DM.

3. Finally, by sending DM in an area where he could be seen was perhaps
meant to stir up suspicions about the Sith.

These are just thoughts, let me know what you think.

- Robby

Bob

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Jul 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/25/99
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He, like any smart criminal just wanted to get rid of any witnesses. He
foresaw the outcome of the battle. Now anyone who could tell of his
connection to the Sith is dead.

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Jul 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/30/99
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All good points by everyone...

But still there is something that is not quite logic about Palpatines
behaviour.

Well, well...

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