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TJM

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Apr 3, 2002, 3:18:32 AM4/3/02
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Sorry, newbie question here......

How do the Jedi manage to deflect every laser shot blasted at them? It
doesnt matter whether they get shot at by Destroyers or humans, a Jedi is
100% successful at deflecting these lethal blasts with his light saber.

Is this pure skill, or does the light saber somehow "attract" the laser
blast like a magnet does a bullet, and therefore makes it quite easy to
deflect the blasts? In other words, could a well-trained Jedi like Obi-Wan
deflect M-16 bullets armed only with a steel sword?

Thanks for any help on this topic......


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Apr 3, 2002, 4:26:12 AM4/3/02
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only Jedi have the lightning reflexes that enable them to block incoming
blaster bolts.
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Bill Kohlleppel

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Apr 3, 2002, 4:33:40 AM4/3/02
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TJM wrote:

> Sorry, newbie question here......
>
> How do the Jedi manage to deflect every laser shot blasted at them? It
> doesnt matter whether they get shot at by Destroyers or humans, a Jedi is
> 100% successful at deflecting these lethal blasts with his light saber.
>
> Is this pure skill, or does the light saber somehow "attract" the laser
> blast like a magnet does a bullet, and therefore makes it quite easy to
> deflect the blasts? In other words, could a well-trained Jedi like Obi-Wan
> deflect M-16 bullets armed only with a steel sword?
>

It is totally skill. The Jedi have the ability to sense things before they
actually happen. This is why their danger senses and reflexes are so sharp. So
given that, if the Jedi is intuned with the Force, I'd say that it is
theoretically possible that a Jedi such as Obi-Wan could deflect bullets with
a steel sword. If he was so inclined to do so. Me, personally, I'd create a
force field in front of me to deflect the assailing bullets that are heading
right for me.

>
> Thanks for any help on this topic......
>
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Nick Murdoch

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Apr 3, 2002, 4:34:11 AM4/3/02
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The Jedi can sense the direction, speed, etc of the bolt, as well as the
feelings of the individual firing, so they know when it will fire. The Force
guides their hand and lightsaber to the bullet

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Brett McConnie

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Apr 3, 2002, 5:53:16 AM4/3/02
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Go ahead "TJM", make my day...

> How do the Jedi manage to deflect every laser shot blasted at them?

They can see things before they happen. It's a Jedi trait.
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The Executor

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Apr 3, 2002, 7:57:56 AM4/3/02
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Well said!


Darth Maus

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Apr 3, 2002, 6:32:45 AM4/3/02
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"TJM" <T...@cyberjunkie.com> schreef in bericht
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> Sorry, newbie question here......
>
> How do the Jedi manage to deflect every laser shot blasted at them? It
> doesnt matter whether they get shot at by Destroyers or humans, a Jedi is
> 100% successful at deflecting these lethal blasts with his light saber.

The lightsaber is at a time like that controlled by the Force. But skills is
an important factor too, ofcourse. I mean, a Jedi kid won't be so lucky when
it comes to deflecting blast shots.


Ian Motter

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Apr 3, 2002, 12:25:11 PM4/3/02
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TJM wrote:
>
> Sorry, newbie question here......
>
> How do the Jedi manage to deflect every laser shot blasted at them? It
> doesnt matter whether they get shot at by Destroyers or humans, a Jedi is
> 100% successful at deflecting these lethal blasts with his light saber.
>
> Is this pure skill, or does the light saber somehow "attract" the laser
> blast like a magnet does a bullet, and therefore makes it quite easy to
> deflect the blasts? In other words, could a well-trained Jedi like Obi-Wan
> deflect M-16 bullets armed only with a steel sword?

Solo seemed to think that blocking laser bolts with a lightsaber while blindfolded
was luck. If a lightsaber attracted laserbolts that easily, everybody would have one.

Ian

LBD_Wedge

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Apr 3, 2002, 12:26:25 PM4/3/02
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"TJM" <T...@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
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> In other words, could a well-trained Jedi like Obi-Wan
> deflect M-16 bullets armed only with a steel sword?

they could make the sword get to the bullet in time but i think the sword
would shatter and break....

Terry Ter

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Apr 3, 2002, 8:39:41 PM4/3/02
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"TJM" <T...@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry, newbie question here......
>
> How do the Jedi manage to deflect every laser shot blasted at them? It
> doesnt matter whether they get shot at by Destroyers or humans, a Jedi is
> 100% successful at deflecting these lethal blasts with his light saber.
>
> Is this pure skill, or does the light saber somehow "attract" the laser
> blast like a magnet does a bullet, and therefore makes it quite easy to
> deflect the blasts?

No way is it "pure skill". A laser travels at the speed of light, which
(if I remember right) is 186,000 miles per SECOND. We'd have have a hard
enough time deflecting a baseball thrown at us by a professional pitcher,
which at most will be a mere 100 miles per hour. It's The Force.

> In other words, could a well-trained Jedi like Obi-Wan
> deflect M-16 bullets armed only with a steel sword?

No, M-16 bullets would easily go through the sword. But he can deflect
them with his lightsaber (although they would probably explode on contact).
An M-16 bullet is sooooooooo slow compared to a laser. I'm no gun expert,
but I'd imagine at MOST, and M-16 bullet goes about 2,000 miles per hour.


Roger Charles

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Apr 3, 2002, 9:14:57 PM4/3/02
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TJM a écrit :

> Sorry, newbie question here......
>
> How do the Jedi manage to deflect every laser shot blasted at them? It
> doesnt matter whether they get shot at by Destroyers or humans, a Jedi is
> 100% successful at deflecting these lethal blasts with his light saber.
>
> Is this pure skill, or does the light saber somehow "attract" the laser
> blast like a magnet does a bullet, and therefore makes it quite easy to
> deflect the blasts? In other words, could a well-trained Jedi like Obi-Wan
> deflect M-16 bullets armed only with a steel sword?
>
> Thanks for any help on this topic......

It's a movie kid. Stop analysing everything to death. Who cares how they do
it. Enjoy the story for what it is.

Simon

Colin Rodrigue

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Apr 3, 2002, 11:23:27 PM4/3/02
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There is nothing saying a Jedi will block every shot... Look at Luke in
ROTJ, he was hit in the hand while on Jabba's sail barge....


Terry Ter

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Apr 4, 2002, 1:58:26 AM4/4/02
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> There is nothing saying a Jedi will block every shot... Look at Luke in
> ROTJ, he was hit in the hand while on Jabba's sail barge....

I know I'm gonna get blasted for saying this, but Luke sucked. He was
nothing compared to a young Obi-Wan or a young Anakin. He just came at the
right place and the right time, beating an old man Vader who really didn't
want to kill Luke anyway. Imagine how long he would have lasted against
Darth Maul. Maybe 3 seconds...


Bill Kohlleppel

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Apr 4, 2002, 4:36:47 AM4/4/02
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Colin Rodrigue wrote:

That was because his back was turned and his attention was on the fallen foe
he had just slain.

Bill Kohlleppel

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Apr 4, 2002, 4:36:05 AM4/4/02
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Terry Ter wrote:

More like 1700 feet per second in most cases. Realistically between 1200 and
1700 fps <feet per second>.

Bill Kohlleppel

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Apr 4, 2002, 4:41:21 AM4/4/02
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Terry Ter wrote:

You're right. You're going to get blasted! HE DID NOT SUCK!!!! He was a kick
ass Jedi. It would seem that you are comparing apples to oranges here. You are
comparing two difference Force-users from different timelines. Nice try dipwad!
In the longrun he proved to be far superior then that of Obi-Wan or Anakin. And
why is this? Because he was the one who turned his father around and brought
him back to the Light. Kenobi couldn't do that. And as far as the old man Vader
comment, Vader was still a pretty fierce ass kicking Force-user. He was no push
over by any means. Look at both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, both were pretty lethal,
ass-kicking Jedi at Vader's so-called "old age".

Nick Murdoch

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Apr 4, 2002, 9:14:51 AM4/4/02
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"Terry Ter" <terry-...@si.rr.com> wrote in message
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Bear in mind Luke had had very little training compared to any Jedi of the
old order. With time and training, most powerful he bacame.


Andrew David Murray

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Apr 4, 2002, 10:23:31 AM4/4/02
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Pure Luck, well I think skill is involved - remember Luke and the remote
globe-thing on the Millennium Falcon - he got hit by the laser bolts from
it, before learning to deflect them through the force.

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Terry Ter

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Apr 4, 2002, 7:10:42 PM4/4/02
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> > No, M-16 bullets would easily go through the sword. But he can
deflect
> > them with his lightsaber (although they would probably explode on
contact).
> > An M-16 bullet is sooooooooo slow compared to a laser. I'm no gun
expert,
> > but I'd imagine at MOST, and M-16 bullet goes about 2,000 miles per
hour.
>
> More like 1700 feet per second in most cases. Realistically between 1200
and
> 1700 fps <feet per second>.

Still nothing compared to a laser shot. BTW, what does 1,700 FPS
translate into MPH? Was my 2,000 MPH estimate that far off?


Terry Ter

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Apr 4, 2002, 7:15:51 PM4/4/02
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> > I know I'm gonna get blasted for saying this, but Luke sucked. He was
> > nothing compared to a young Obi-Wan or a young Anakin. He just came at
the
> > right place and the right time, beating an old man Vader who really
didn't
> > want to kill Luke anyway. Imagine how long he would have lasted against
> > Darth Maul. Maybe 3 seconds...
>
> You're right. You're going to get blasted! HE DID NOT SUCK!!!! He was a
kick
> ass Jedi. It would seem that you are comparing apples to oranges here. You
are
> comparing two difference Force-users from different timelines. Nice try
dipwad!
> In the longrun he proved to be far superior then that of Obi-Wan or
Anakin. And
> why is this? Because he was the one who turned his father around and
brought
> him back to the Light. Kenobi couldn't do that. And as far as the old man
Vader
> comment, Vader was still a pretty fierce ass kicking Force-user. He was no
push
> over by any means. Look at both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, both were pretty
lethal,
> ass-kicking Jedi at Vader's so-called "old age".

Of course he proved superior in the long run, but it wasn't by skill. I'm
not saying he was less important as a Jedi, I'm just saying he was much less
skilled. As fo you're Qui-Gon comment, it's wrong. He was not old by any
means. Look at him in TPM. Late 30's at MOST. Vader was far older in ROTJ.
Just as yourself this: Who would win, Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan (in TPM era) vs. Luke
in ROTJ era? Who would win, Darth Maul or Luke from ROTJ era? If none of
your answers are Luke, then you agree with what my original point was.


Brett McConnie

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Apr 5, 2002, 1:42:14 AM4/5/02
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Go ahead "Terry Ter", make my day...

> skilled. As fo you're Qui-Gon comment, it's wrong. He was not old by any
> means. Look at him in TPM. Late 30's at MOST. Vader was far older in ROTJ.

In TPM Qui-Gon Jinn was 60 years old. In ROTJ Vader was 45.

Terry Ter

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Apr 5, 2002, 3:40:52 AM4/5/02
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> Go ahead "Terry Ter", make my day...
> > skilled. As fo you're Qui-Gon comment, it's wrong. He was not old by any
> > means. Look at him in TPM. Late 30's at MOST. Vader was far older in
ROTJ.
>
> In TPM Qui-Gon Jinn was 60 years old. In ROTJ Vader was 45.
Where did you hear that? No 60 year old can look that good. Just look at
him. He looks like he's 38.


Eric Ryan

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Apr 5, 2002, 11:39:48 AM4/5/02
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Terry Ter wrote:

Not that bad, for an estimate. 1700 fps is about 1160 mph. pretty good
guess, i say.

Darth Maus

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Shawn

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> "TJM" <T...@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
> news:3caab8da$1...@corp.newsgroups.com...
>> Sorry, newbie question here......
>>
>> How do the Jedi manage to deflect every laser shot blasted at them? It
>> doesnt matter whether they get shot at by Destroyers or humans, a Jedi is
>> 100% successful at deflecting these lethal blasts with his light saber.
>>
>> Is this pure skill, or does the light saber somehow "attract" the laser
>> blast like a magnet does a bullet, and therefore makes it quite easy to
>> deflect the blasts?
>
> No way is it "pure skill". A laser travels at the speed of light, which
> (if I remember right) is 186,000 miles per SECOND. We'd have have a hard
> enough time deflecting a baseball thrown at us by a professional pitcher,
> which at most will be a mere 100 miles per hour. It's The Force.

There are one of two things you need if you're going to block a light-speed
beam of energy. The first is impossible (in the most literal sense,
lightning-quick reflexes). The second isn't so much of a problem... you need
to anticipate the movement of the person/droid firing at you and act on
that. It may take nanoseconds for a laser blast to reach you, but a person
or droid still needs to evaluate his target, ready his weapon, decide on the
best time to fire and then pull the trigger. Jedi Knights can read people
and droids because the Force flows through everything, whether it be organic
or not ("between you, me, the tree, the rock and the ship" as Yoda would
say), and they know which actions are more likely to follow the preceeding
ones. Chances are, a well-trained Padawan could read and anticipate the
moves of a dozen assailants in the way that Gary Kasparov can beat twelve
people at once in chess. It's what they're good at, it's what they have
dedicated themselves to, it's what they do.

I dare say the good batters over the past week in MLB (Bonds, Ventura, take
your pick) get a 'read' for the pitcher in the same way. They anticipate,
know what delivery is likely (based on their previous encounters,
instructions from the picthing coach and what they've seen in the innings
past) and act on it.

You could probably try it for yourself with a friend in a darkened room, a
mirror and a laser pen. Hold the mirror and tell them to shine at either
your left side, right side or your head... and anticipate where you should
deflect the beam based on what they did before and what you can see of them
in the gloom. If you do better than one-in-three, you might have the talent
too...

--
Shawn.
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constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing. There is more
than one way to conquer a country."
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Brett McConnie

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Apr 5, 2002, 5:50:18 PM4/5/02
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Go ahead "Terry Ter", make my day...
> Where did you hear that? No 60 year old can look that good. Just look
at
> him. He looks like he's 38.

It's in the novelization of TPM. Liam Neeson turns 50 this year. I work with
a bloke who is in his late 50s and he looks to be in his early 40s. Some
people don't show their age as others do and Qui-Gon is strong with the
Force which could very well slow the effects of aging.

Terry Ter

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Apr 7, 2002, 8:23:04 AM4/7/02
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> > Where did you hear that? No 60 year old can look that good. Just look
> at
> > him. He looks like he's 38.
>
> It's in the novelization of TPM. Liam Neeson turns 50 this year. I work
with
> a bloke who is in his late 50s and he looks to be in his early 40s. Some
> people don't show their age as others do and Qui-Gon is strong with the
> Force which could very well slow the effects of aging.
Liam looks very young for his age. On a related note, how old was Obi-Wan
supposed to be in Episode I? In Episode II, even with the beard, he looks no
older than 30-32, yet in Episode IV, set only about 23 years after Episode
II, he looks about 65. Weird indeed.


Brett McConnie

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Apr 8, 2002, 2:53:48 AM4/8/02
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Go ahead "Terry Ter", make my day...
> Liam looks very young for his age. On a related note, how old was
Obi-Wan
> supposed to be in Episode I? In Episode II, even with the beard, he looks
no
> older than 30-32, yet in Episode IV, set only about 23 years after Episode
> II, he looks about 65. Weird indeed.

In TPM Obi-Wan was 25, in AOTC he's 35 and in ANH he was 57.

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