> Listen, if you'd played Sonic 1, 2, 3 you'd realize Sonic's world is in fact
> a planet out somewhere in another galaxy - where by numerical chance
> a race of "evolved" animals have developed - Robotnik decends on Mobius
> in a space-ship - being an explorer/scientist (Ever notice how he's the only
> "human" there?).
Hey now, THAT has never manifested itself anywhere. Robotnik is never
described as an "explorer," and you will never see any "evolved" animals
besides Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles, at least in the games you mention.
Everything else is just a cute little big-headed fuzzy. And just because you
never see any other humans doesn't mean there aren't any around. (Not that
there are other humans around. Sonic's world is far too mysterious for
anyone to safely say anything about that particular subject with any
credibility at all.)
> Sally Acorn, Rotor, Bunnie and especially the "prince Sonic" and "royal"
> aspect of the show/comic is all cheap, tired, and in fact insults Sonic's
> potential as a cartoon character. Sega seems bent on only hiring the
> most incompetent, stupid and unimagintave people to raise his populartity.
>
> What Sonic? The game character that was supposed to compete with
> Mario, but because of the writer's at Archie, AOSTH, and SAT-AM's lack
> of restraint, tact, or overall creativity and ability to give any of these
versions
> of his universe any true dynamic "real" feel to it as the Japanese have done
> without so much as a word being said is the reason Sonic is viewed more
> as a desperate attempt at keeping SEGA's mascot afloat.
Well said!!! You almost sound like a different Louis! Well, it kinda falls
apart there at the end but the message is clear..
And to whoever said that bit about "Hating it when a story was developed," or
something, when the story is developed after the game, when the story has
nothing to DO with the game, then why not hate it? The Sonic comic and TV
series have absolutely nothing to do with Sonic whatsoever, save the hedgehog
himself. (Yeah, and a couple others, but I'm trying to be dramatic here!)
The reason the feel of the Sonic games and the mood are so mysterious and
enchanting is because no more story is given then neccessary. And when
people (like archie) go in filling in all the gaps for us, it cheapens the
original work. Even in the Sonic Anime, sure, they introduce new characters,
and give a little bit of background on why everything's floating, (just the
mechanism, mind you) we get virtually NO background, and we are left with one
hell of a ride through a magnificently non-descript world. Kinda like Panzer
Dragoon, ya know? (The game, not the anime. That one sucked ^_-)
Oh yeah. P.Sally might be able to kick swatbots in the head and all that,
but you KNOW the only reason for it (Or at least a big reason for it) is so
that we can have some "strong female characters." We wouldn't want to offend
anybody by having the male charaters save the day all the time and the
females sit around and wait to be rescured. Heavens no, that would be
sexist! (That WAS sarcasm, BTW...) And there's certainly nothing wrong with
that, but I appreciate the fact that Amy is purposely weak, as her creators
are willing to ignore any social foolishness that might come up because they
created a character who is true to their original plan. I'm not saying Sally
was made specificlly to pacify raging feminists, but the idea behind her is
extremely cliche.
It's interesting, have you ever noticed that besides Amy Rose, there are NO
female characters in any of the Sonic games? In fact, outside the racing
titles, she's not even playable, and is just there to be rescued. And ONLY in
Sonic CD!! This tells me that Sonic (as a series, not a character) does not
need much female support, and certainly no "strong leading female characters."
In fact, one of the major draws to Sonic is that dispite its lack of female
characters, it's never been labeled as sexist and attracts a lot of female
gamers. Even Knuckles' Chaotix, which has five different characters, still no
females. Maybe this has more to do with the way things are in Japan, but it
shows that you don't need characters like Princess Sally to be successful.
The original vision is good enough, and doesn't need archie meddling around
in the background. Of course, you can't make a comic without making up a
whole lot of new stuff. It just never works. The old Mario series didn't,
but it was pretty bad anyway.. I even made a little fan Sonic comic
(Availible at http://www.ellensbug.com/~katharin/gallery/index.html if you
want to go see it) and I couldn't do it without adding a new character. The
anime added new characters, all the old Nintendo Power comics added new
characters, even my favorite game-based comics ever, Nintendo Power's Mario
series. They kept very true to the games, but still ended up with a new
character, Friendly Floyd. I mean, HOW could that story have existed without
Friendly Floyd??? It's unfortunate that it is so difficult to expand on
something without taking too many "artistic liberties" and then losing part
of the audience who liked the original so much, ie. ME. I'm a huge Sonic
fan, I've loved the games since day one, but the comic/cartoon series leave
me looking for a bucket to hurl in.
Michael Stearns
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For you tECHIDNA:
DUH!!!!!
The Chaos Emerald
(I know it was a pointless post, but I HAD TO DO IT)
MachHedge wrote:
> >If Amy & Sonic got together, wouldn't that be illegal? Supposedly Sonic's
> >15 & Amy's like 8 or 10.
>
> Only in the Fleetway universe are they the same age (20s) In the SEGASonic,
> he's 16, she's 8.
>
> Mach H. Hedgehog,
> Pointless thingy of the un-determined amount of time:
>
> The pillsbury dough boy was the love child of uncle ben and aunt jemima.
In the U.S. the age of consent is 18, so here it would be legal. In the
U.K., I here the age is 16, so it wouldn't. But what makes you think Mobius
follows either of those laws?
BTW: I hate Amy Rose.
I liked that. Louis, IMO, that's the funniest thing you've ever posted
in this NG!
-+Warp+-
"All of us have potential. Few ever realize it."-Ryu (MSHvSF)
Err...
1. Mobius, under Robotnik at least, does not have much in the ways of
real laws any more, unless you count Robotnik's orders.
2. Mobius, being an alien planet, might not have ever had laws against
this. The only reference to legal age I've heard of in Fleetway,
Archie, SatAM, or even Anime Sonic is that, in SatAM, Sally could not
take the crown until she was 17 years old (plus or minus 1 year,
depending on how you interpret Nicole's speech shortly before telling
Sally about the Deep Power Stones). (Has anyone else heard of any other
references to this topic in any of those?)
> > If Amy & Sonic got together, wouldn't that be illegal? Supposedly Sonic's
> > 15 & Amy's like 8 or 10.
>
> Err...
>
> 1. Mobius, under Robotnik at least, does not have much in the ways of
> real laws any more, unless you count Robotnik's orders.
>
> 2. Mobius, being an alien planet, might not have ever had laws against
> this. The only reference to legal age I've heard of in Fleetway,
This is all VERY silly. This is a comic with a very young audience, and the
only reason rules like that exist is to keep people from having sex. And no
one is going to be having sex in this comic. Certainly not Amy and Sonic,
because Amy's too young to even kwno about such things, or be interested in
them, and Sonic finds her irritating and would run away. Sally will never
get any because SoA watchdogs keep that sort of thing from happening, and
look, ARCHIE is probably still a virgin too, and he's been tryin' since the
40s.
Not to mention Sonic (He's naked for crying out loud!) doesn't seem to have
the equipment to get any either. =)
--
^v^
Blessed be,
Mutt the Pagan Fur
> Not to mention Sonic (He's naked for crying out loud!) doesn't seem to have
> the equipment to get any either. =)
Maybe not. I've always wondered what that small tail of his was for...
Louis.
Why is everyone bashing Sally lately? First on Zifei's Mobius Forum,
and now here. And also, making up jokes about Penny killing her, just
because I was expressing my opinion saying Sally is better? What does
everyone got against her, lately? Geez, I don't get it!
Doesn't anybody like her anymore? If so, why not?
Joya Nappo
fo...@concentric.net
I'm So Happy, 'Cuz Today I Found My Friends!
-Kurt Cobain!
(1967-1994)
(Lead singer of Nirvana!)
> Why is everyone bashing Sally lately? First on Zifei's Mobius Forum,
> and now here. And also, making up jokes about Penny killing her, just
> because I was expressing my opinion saying Sally is better? What does
> everyone got against her, lately? Geez, I don't get it!
>
> Doesn't anybody like her anymore? If so, why not?
BECAUSE
A new fragacnce by Calvin Klien and also the latest understated
reply from Louis.
Louis.
Louis J.M wrote:
> > is TOOOOOOO PERFECT !!!!!!!!!
> > She is intelligent, lovely, nice, and more she's princess.... Sonic is the
> > fastest thing alive and Sally is the best beauty alive !!!!
> > It's a bit exaggerated...
> > THan a little girl Amy who tries by all ways to be love by Sonic....
> > It's more interesting... It's what I think !
> > Even Sonic isn't perfect like Sally
>
> I know, that's why I say she's so tired. There's nothing
> interesting about her - a New Yorker version of Princess
> Toadstool. I never liked blonds.
>
> Louis.
She's (Sally) a redhead.
CMJ wrote:
> Why is everyone bashing Sally lately? First on Zifei's Mobius Forum,
> and now here. And also, making up jokes about Penny killing her, just
> because I was expressing my opinion saying Sally is better? What does
> everyone got against her, lately? Geez, I don't get it!
>
> Doesn't anybody like her anymore? If so, why not?
>
> Joya Nappo
> fo...@concentric.net
>
> I'm So Happy, 'Cuz Today I Found My Friends!
> -Kurt Cobain!
> (1967-1994)
> (Lead singer of Nirvana!)
Hey, I like Sally.
A word or two in praise of the SATam: I would not be a Sonic fan today--
would not have got the games, would not have taken nearly two weeks writing a
fanfic that never reached anyone's but my own eyes, would not be making an
effort to learn to draw the characters, and would not be posting to this
newsgroup right now-- were it not for the SATam.
CMJ a 馗rit dans le message ...
>
>
>
> If you ask me, I like both Sally and Amy Rose.
>Joya Nappo
>fo...@concentric.net
Personaly, I like both too, but I have a preference for Amy only Cause Sally
is TOOOOOOO PERFECT !!!!!!!!!
She is intelligent, lovely, nice, and more she's princess.... Sonic is the
fastest thing alive and Sally is the best beauty alive !!!!
It's a bit exaggerated...
THan a little girl Amy who tries by all ways to be love by Sonic....
It's more interesting... It's what I think !
Even Sonic isn't perfect like Sally
Solly
Fred E. L.
My webpage: http://members.aol.com/FredL2000/index.html
My e-mail: Fred8...@aol.com
> is TOOOOOOO PERFECT !!!!!!!!!
> She is intelligent, lovely, nice, and more she's princess.... Sonic is the
> fastest thing alive and Sally is the best beauty alive !!!!
> It's a bit exaggerated...
> THan a little girl Amy who tries by all ways to be love by Sonic....
> It's more interesting... It's what I think !
> Even Sonic isn't perfect like Sally
I know, that's why I say she's so tired. There's nothing
Sally's my favoirite character and I probalby wouldn't bother with most of the
issues of the comic if she weren't in it.
Spoiler
If you want to see Sonic and Sally kissing propperly then check out Sonic #50,
the Director's Cut. Then thank Ken for bugging Sega until they finally gave in
and let him put that in! :)
Bflighty Have sketchbook, will doodle.
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> Hey, I like Sally.
I don't. But I typed for like 30 minutes the other day explaining why and I'm
not doing it again ^^
Umm.. who ever said Sally was blond? (Those stupid early Archie comics
don't count, damnit!) And Sally is *not* a New Yorker version of
Princess Toadstool. Try sending a bot after Toadstool. She'd scream and
run, hitching her skirts of her frilly dress up. Sally'd kick the thing
over. My point made? ^_^
Aechla
> (*snipped*)
I don't necessarily agree. Sally may be a damsel in distress sometimes,
but at least she's alot smarter than Amy Rose. Plus she can fight.
I've played Sonic CD, where you have to rescue Amy Rose from Mecha Sonic
(or something along those lines), and she is got to be one of the worst
damsels in distress. Plus she's basically a pink Sonic wearing a dress.
"Here sighs and cries and wails coiled and recoiled on the
starless air, spilling my soul to tears. A confusion of
tongues and monstrous accents toiled in pain and anger.
Voices hoarse and shrill and sounds of blows...tumult
and pandemonium that still whirl on the air...."
--Dante Alighieri
> > Amy reminds me of the cute little kid who tags along but hides as soon
> > as there's any conflict. Anyone agree with me on this?
> Possibly. But please don't forget that someone who doesn't go
> round beating robots up can still have a character. I'm not saying Amy
> has much of a character in the games world, but this is a message to a
> lot of people, who think that, because Sally Acorn can swing around on
> ropes, kick robots in the head, and lead a pack of fighters, this gives
> her character.
I too think that Amy is more the 'tag along with childish adoration and
need hero to be saved' type (see the "Sonic CD" game, for example).
It's true that characters like Amy Rose can also have a well-developed
personality, but keep in mind that you can only use the 'damsel in
distress' story that often, while a _strong_ character like Sally can
participate in _all_ plots. :) Amy would make a cute add-on character
that pops up occasionally, but for permanent use as a counterpart for
Sonic, Sally is definitely the better choice.
Bye
Alessandro
---
You get what anyone gets. You get a lifetime.
icky...@hotmail.com wrote:
I know that you don't. I've only read 40 billion stupid messages (not stupid
because they are Sally bashing, but because they number 40 billion), saying why
you don't like Sally (or maybe that was Luis, in any event, I've read atleast one
by you). The person who typed the message I replyed to, was sort of saying "Isn't
there any body who likes Sally", and I was saying, well, there's me.
It sure is made!
You were right about what would happen if a SWATbot came after Toadstool!
They same thing always happens to her when a Koopa chases her! I'll bet
Sally would win in a fight with King Koopa! She would kick and punch the
scales off of that turtle! :) And no, I agree that she's not a New
Yorker version of Toadstool!
I think the KNothole FF's along with Sonic & Tails would win in a fight
with a room full of Koopas!
Joya Nappo
fo...@concentric.net
And To Be Somebody's Fool This Year!
-Billy Corgan!
(Lead singer of the Smashing Pumpkins!)
Sally is not my favorite character, but I like all of the SATam characters as
well as the SegaSonic ones.
And I hardly think the SATam characters cheapen the original work, as they
have made the SegaSonic experience that much better for me, personally.
I imagine what would happen if it came after you.
> They same thing always happens to her when a Koopa chases her! I'll bet
> Sally would win in a fight with King Koopa! She would kick and punch the
> scales off of that turtle!
No he'd pick her up, and she'd scream "Sonic, help me!".
> I think the KNothole FF's along with Sonic & Tails would win in a fight
> with a room full of Koopas!
Nah, really!?!
Louis.
<Medium Snip>
> It's true that characters like Amy Rose can also have a well-developed
> personality, but keep in mind that you can only use the 'damsel in
> distress' story that often, while a _strong_ character like Sally can
> participate in _all_ plots.
Which turns out to be real mundame after awhile because she never
get's into any serious, life-threatning trouble or is put into any situation
where you don't know if she'll live or die.
:) Amy would make a cute add-on character
> that pops up occasionally, but for permanent use as a counterpart for
> Sonic, Sally is definitely the better choice.
I disagree totally. But that's what this newsgroup is for.
Louis.
Hey, did Amy ever come forward and say anything in the comic? She's always been
a background character whenever I saw her.
No, first she's try to escape, then if she failed she would call for help.
Mach H. Hedgehog,
Pointless thingy of the un-determined amount of time:
When a mugger asks for your wallet, don't give him a potato.
She was also in Sonic R, and I hate her in that game. She's slow, and I'd much
rather stick to Mecha-knux or Super Sonic.
Sally: She was created for two reasons: One, a strong female lead in the
Comics/SatAM. Two: As a girlfriend for Sonic. Her storyline is bland at best,
and she seems to take the "Damsel in distress" role a few times.
Amy Rose: Her nintendo counterpart would be Princess Toadstool. She was only a
"damsel in distress" and playible in a handful of games. Her storyline is not
nearly as developed as Sally's, in fact she doesn't even have a storyline.
I have tryed to make this as reasonible and tryed not to play favorites.
Thankyou.
Louis J.M <Kint...@Mediaone.net> wrote in article
<01bda5ea$e7c946e0$a82a...@pompano.pompano.net>...
Amy's been a minor character is a few issues of the Archie comic, but she and
Dulcy will be teaming up in the back up stories in upcoming issues after the
Geofry (yuk!) back-ups are finished.
On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Louis J.M wrote:
> > You were right about what would happen if a SWATbot came after Toadstool!
>
> I imagine what would happen if it came after you.
>
> > They same thing always happens to her when a Koopa chases her! I'll bet
> > Sally would win in a fight with King Koopa! She would kick and punch the
> > scales off of that turtle!
>
> No he'd pick her up, and she'd scream "Sonic, help me!".
Not true! Sally's is NOT a wimpy damsel-in-distress!!!!!
> > I think the KNothole FF's along with Sonic & Tails would win in a fight
> > with a room full of Koopas!
>
> Nah, really!?!
>
> Louis.
>
Can we PLEASE stop with these chauvantistic jokes about Sally already?
All this, "Amy Rose is better than Sally" stuff is getting old! Let's
talk about something new! I'm sick of Sally bashing! If any character
needs to be bashed and have chauvantistic jokes told about, it's
SNIVELY!!!!!
Joya Nappo
fo...@concentric.net
My Eyes Feel Like They're Gonna Bleed!
-Green Day!
CMJ <Fo...@cris.com> wrote in article <Pine.SUN.3.96.98070...@voyager.cris.com>...
>
>
> On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Louis J.M wrote:
>
> > > You were right about what would happen if a SWATbot came after Toadstool!
> >
> > I imagine what would happen if it came after you.
> >
> > > They same thing always happens to her when a Koopa chases her! I'll bet
> > > Sally would win in a fight with King Koopa! She would kick and punch the
> > > scales off of that turtle!
> >
> > No he'd pick her up, and she'd scream "Sonic, help me!".
>
> Not true! Sally's is NOT a wimpy damsel-in-distress!!!!!
>
>
> > > I think the KNothole FF's along with Sonic & Tails would win in a fight
> > > with a room full of Koopas!
> >
> > Nah, really!?!
> >
> > Louis.
> >
>
>
> Can we PLEASE stop with these chauvantistic jokes about Sally already?
I have no control over this subject or how long it lasts.
> All this, "Amy Rose is better than Sally" stuff is getting old!
It's a few days old!
>Let's
> talk about something new!
Ok, fine: You pick an equally debatable subject.
>I'm sick of Sally bashing! If any character
> needs to be bashed and have chauvantistic jokes told about,
>it's
> SNIVELY!!!!!
Yeah, since he's so bad an all.
*rolls eyes*
Louis.
Excuse me? I am not a dumb ass! (puts a finger in his face)
I'm a smart ass.
Louis.
What was?
> You were right about what would happen if a SWATbot came after Toadstool!
>They same thing always happens to her when a Koopa chases her!
I've never seen a Koopa chase her. Please describe it to me.
I'll bet
>Sally would win in a fight with King Koopa!
Unless he fell on her. Then she'd loose.
She would kick and punch the
>scales off of that turtle!
Hey! Dragon! Dra-gon! He doesn't do that shell thing!
:) And no, I agree that she's not a New
>Yorker version of Toadstool!
I couldn't even imagin that.
>
> I think the KNothole FF's along with Sonic & Tails would win in a fight
>with a room full of Koopas!
>
But what if they went against a room full of Maverics? Or the Nightmaren? Or
the Mutants/Robots in Burning Rangers? Personally, I'd run away screeming if i
met with any of thoes guys!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Joya Nappo
>fo...@concentric.net
>
>
>
>
>
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> I'll bet
> >Sally would win in a fight with King Koopa!
> Unless he fell on her. Then she'd loose.
>
> She would kick and punch the
> >scales off of that turtle!
>
> Hey! Dragon! Dra-gon! He doesn't do that shell thing!
Agg, Bowser! BOW-SER!! King of the koopas, BOWSER. Geez, you'd think you
were raised on that ghastly SMB "Super Show" or worse, "Club Mario." Or even
Mario World. "Koopa" is the name of the turtle tribe that bowser rules, it's
not the name of anybody. (Unless you wanna call him "Bowser Koopa," like a
last name. All the koopalings go like "Iggy Koopa, Morton Koopa, etc." Call
him Koopa and you could be talking about any one of them. How'd Bowser make
all these koopalings anyway? <shiver>)
And although the Mulan reference is very funny, he DOES have a shell. ^_^
Michael Stearns***
frank dean <dal...@enterprise.net> wrote in article <6noo1u$rvv$1...@news.enterprise.net>...
> "Mutt" <kit...@flash.net> wrote:
>
> >If Amy & Sonic got together, wouldn't that be illegal? Supposedly Sonic's
> >15 & Amy's like 8 or 10.
> >--
> >^v^
> >Blessed be,
> >Mutt the Pagan Fur
>
> Please don't even enter that area for conversation. You'll end up
> giving someone the idea to create a pornographic version of 'Sonic The
> Hedgehog'. There's bound to be someone sick enough to do it.
Yeah, especially now since you've reminded him. Let's all jump on Gen
before he pulls out his sketch pad. ; )
> I don't think it would be that bad a thing if they got together
> anyway. Apart from it being ellegal, it would show Sally that she's
> not perfect and that Sonic's just not interested. It would give her a
> taste of reah life and how it sucks sometimes!
That kind of Nappo-ism wouldn't do very good in the SatAM series, since
the story is built on hope.
>It's sickening
> sometimes how perfect she is, and why is it that Sonic is expected to
> get with sally because she is the 'Idea' girlfriend. Hah! She's stuck
> up if you ask me.
No, she's like one of those Baywatch babes. They act like they don't
know they're drop-dead attractive, lead a perfect life and have equally
perfect boyfriends.
>Thinks she can get what she likes because she's a
> princess.
Now Where have I heard that before...
>If you ask me (Which you probably aren't) Sonic should get
> with Amy not just because he likes her and she likes him etc, but tp
> spite Sally.
Not gonna happen - hopefully SOJ will integrate them somehow (Sonic
and Amy) and we'll actually get a realistic plot going on that follows the
game story instead of this "Freedom Fighter" crap.
>That would make a good Fanfic, or even a good story line
> for the series.
I won't read it.
> Amy should try doing what Tails did earlier in the Archie series. Eat
> one of those apple thingies that caused him to age five years. Atleast
> I think it was in the comic. That way Sonic would have no complaints
> about her being too young! Besides, they'd make the cutest couple :)
Yeah, I think Amy is perfect counterpart for Sonic - not Sally.
> Sally could never be with anyone romantically. She loves herself too
> much!
And her portable computer.
> Back on the subject of who's better. I think it's obvious that I like
> Amy more. She's more down-to-earth. More 'real' if you get my meaning.
> Someone said this ealier, but I prefer to see an ordinary 8/10 year
> old as a character rather than some womder woman wannabe.
That's the writer's fault - like I said before. They have made sally into the
"perfect babe" and there is nothing original or special about her. Amy is
such a more "honest" character that she seems real.
> Thanx for listening to my opinion
It's better than most IMO.
Louis.
Louis here seems to be wanting to start a flame war.
-Gen
Yeah! Let's bash some other character!
>If Amy & Sonic got together, wouldn't that be illegal? Supposedly Sonic's
>15 & Amy's like 8 or 10.
>--
>^v^
>Blessed be,
>Mutt the Pagan Fur
Please don't even enter that area for conversation. You'll end up
giving someone the idea to create a pornographic version of 'Sonic The
Hedgehog'. There's bound to be someone sick enough to do it.
I don't think it would be that bad a thing if they got together
anyway. Apart from it being ellegal, it would show Sally that she's
not perfect and that Sonic's just not interested. It would give her a
taste of reah life and how it sucks sometimes! It's sickening
sometimes how perfect she is, and why is it that Sonic is expected to
get with sally because she is the 'Idea' girlfriend. Hah! She's stuck
up if you ask me. Thinks she can get what she likes because she's a
princess. If you ask me (Which you probably aren't) Sonic should get
with Amy not just because he likes her and she likes him etc, but tp
spite Sally. That would make a good Fanfic, or even a good story line
for the series.
Amy should try doing what Tails did earlier in the Archie series. Eat
one of those apple thingies that caused him to age five years. Atleast
I think it was in the comic. That way Sonic would have no complaints
about her being too young! Besides, they'd make the cutest couple :)
Sally could never be with anyone romantically. She loves herself too
much!
Back on the subject of who's better. I think it's obvious that I like
Amy more. She's more down-to-earth. More 'real' if you get my meaning.
Someone said this ealier, but I prefer to see an ordinary 8/10 year
old as a character rather than some womder woman wannabe.
Thanx for listening to my opinion,
Luv Ya,
*Jeni* aka Babsy.
<je...@enterprise.net>
> Louis here seems to be wanting to start a flame war.
Who's Louis???
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Fred E. L.
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Believe me. The yiffy Sonic thing has been done. As for Sally, I think
without her, Sonic would not live very long. She's his brain.
> Believe me. The yiffy Sonic thing has been done. As for Sally, I think
> without her, Sonic would not live very long. She's his brain.
Only in the SatAM series, and obviously since the other Freedom Fighters
have to prove their mettle or else they'd be useless.
In the SegaSonic one (Which I represent like M.A.S.E at a currency
convension) he's the "Silent Warrior" type, who relies little on luck or
help to win. Even tails.
Louis.
Let's see here...._how_ many times has he gone skydiving without a parachute? I can think of
three off the top of my head...
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So that proves he's a suicidal hero? *giggle* It's Mel Gibson from Lethal
Weapon 1!!
Geoffry St. John!!!!
Yeah, as much as I enjoy bashing him I still have to ask...
Where's the challenge in it? :)
> > Hey! Dragon! Dra-gon! He doesn't do that shell thing!
The closest thing to a dragon in Mario's world is Yoshi.
> Agg, Bowser! BOW-SER!! King of the koopas, BOWSER. Geez, you'd think you
> were raised on that ghastly SMB "Super Show" or worse, "Club Mario." Or even
> Mario World. "Koopa" is the name of the turtle tribe that bowser rules, it's
> not the name of anybody. (Unless you wanna call him "Bowser Koopa," like a
> last name. All the koopalings go like "Iggy Koopa, Morton Koopa, etc." Call
> him Koopa and you could be talking about any one of them. How'd Bowser make
> all these koopalings anyway? <shiver>)
If you play Japanese Mario World to the end, you see all the characters
with their Japanese names. Surprisingly, all the Koopa Kids' (Ko-koopa)
names are the same in Japan as in America. But Bowser is labeled
"KOOPA". The little turtles are called "Nokonoko", Goombas are called
"Kuribo" and Lakitu is called Jugem. (Now you know where Kuribo's Shoe
and Jugem's Cloud come from![1]) So calling Bowser "King Koopa" is
technically correct, and yes, in America "Koopa" is generally accepted
as a surname... much like Mario and Luigi's surname is "Mario".
Oh, and the SMB Super Show ruled! Especially the host segments with the
live-action Mario and Luigi. The animation was bad though.
> And although the Mulan reference is very funny, he DOES have a shell. ^_^
Yes! He's a big turtle! Whoever said he was a dragon better get a clue.
[1]For the record, the fuzzy brown suit Mario wears in SMB3, the "Tanuki
Suit", comes from the Tanuki, a character in Japanese mythology. He's a
mischievous critter who can change shape to look like a kind person and
deceive people. And Koopa (Japanese 'kuppa') I'm sure comes from Kappa,
a turtle-like water demon from Japanese legend.
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Louis.
This statement is right actually. Considering Archie is a childrens'
based company, they certainly aren't going to show any underage
activity. But whether age matters on Mobius or not, Amy's childish
personality would be enough to make Sonic back off.
> Please don't even enter that area for conversation. You'll end up
> giving someone the idea to create a pornographic version of 'Sonic The
> Hedgehog'. There's bound to be someone sick enough to do it.
Too late; people already have. And would you believe that some of the
'pornographic' Sonic stories are better written than some of the normal
ones? I'll steer clear away from that subject however.
> I don't think it would be that bad a thing if they got together
> anyway. Apart from it being ellegal, it would show Sally that she's
> not perfect and that Sonic's just not interested. It would give her a
> taste of reah life and how it sucks sometimes! It's sickening
> sometimes how perfect she is, and why is it that Sonic is expected to
> get with sally because she is the 'Idea' girlfriend. Hah! She's stuck
> up if you ask me. Thinks she can get what she likes because she's a
> princess. If you ask me (Which you probably aren't) Sonic should get
> with Amy not just because he likes her and she likes him etc, but tp
> spite Sally. That would make a good Fanfic, or even a good story line
> for the series.
Maybe Sally is the 'ideal' girlfriend for Sonic in your opinion, but who
ever said things were easy for them? Sally's a princess and Sonic's
merely a Mobian subject; this creates a lot of conflict in itself, as
you may have noticed from the reaction of King Acorn. The King,
[Raymond?] Acorn, is the one who thinks he can get what he wants by
being in charge. I get the feeling that Sally might like to be a normal
Mobian just like her friends, instead of being the Princess of Mobius.
> Amy should try doing what Tails did earlier in the Archie series. Eat
> one of those apple thingies that caused him to age five years. Atleast
> I think it was in the comic. That way Sonic would have no complaints
> about her being too young! Besides, they'd make the cutest couple :)
He [Sonic] doesn't seem to like her anyway. Her 'oh, save me; you're my
hero!' attitude seems to turn most people off, including Sonic himself.
Speaking of Tails, it seems that he and Amy are a much better match than
trying to pair up Sonic and Amy.
> Sally could never be with anyone romantically. She loves herself too
> much!
If that's true, I've sure never noticed it. She cares more about her
friends than herself most times. She's also put her own goals aside in
order to concentrate on saving her people.
> Back on the subject of who's better. I think it's obvious that I like
> Amy more. She's more down-to-earth. More 'real' if you get my meaning.
> Someone said this ealier, but I prefer to see an ordinary 8/10 year
> old as a character rather than some womder woman wannabe.
Sally isn't a 'wonderwoman wannabe'. She hurts just like everyone else,
and she isn't perfect. She sees to know that too; on more than one
occasion she's doubted herself and it took Sonic and others to cheer her
back up and reassure her.
Louis J.M wrote:
> > Believe me. The yiffy Sonic thing has been done. As for Sally, I think
> > without her, Sonic would not live very long. She's his brain.
>
> Only in the SatAM series, and obviously since the other Freedom Fighters
> have to prove their mettle or else they'd be useless.
>
> In the SegaSonic one (Which I represent like M.A.S.E at a currency
> convension) he's the "Silent Warrior" type, who relies little on luck or
> help to win. Even tails.
>
> Louis.
Sonic is only a silent warrior because he can't talk in the SEGA games.
Yeah, like Metal's work. Raz's pride in life is moderating the site that
contains his "great" fanfics.
Louis.
What about rotor? how can he walk like that? How can he build a
super-duper-huper-quadra-sonic-thingy when the Freedom fighters don't have the
technology to do that? Huh? HUH???
You guys can't bash Rotor as long as I am here, Rotor is one of the coolest
Freedom Fighters.
>> >I'm sick of Sally bashing!
>>
>> Yeah! Let's bash some other character!
>
>Geoffry St. John!!!!
>
Mike Tyson!!!!!
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We can bash Rotor if we darn well please. Still, how can he walk like that?
It's impossible.
How can he build a
> >super-duper-huper-quadra-sonic-thingy when the Freedom fighters don't have
> >the
> >technology to do that? Huh? HUH???
He probably salvages parts from Robotropolis - or from pieces of the SwatBots'
circuts and myromars Sonic leaves in his wake after they - like alyways - fail
to apprehend/kill him.
> You guys can't bash Rotor as long as I am here, Rotor is one of the coolest
> Freedom Fighters.
Incidentally, what is a Walrus doing in a forest?
Louis.
Walk like what? I have a better question:
How can Sonic run like that? It's impossible!
Louis.
No, read the Mobian sciences section of Bookshire draftwood's page. he has all
the info you'd ever want on those Mobian impossibles. too bad I don't have the
address.
"Duh!" Sorry, had ta say it. =P
Anyway I agree with tECHIDNA on this one. I admit it, I'm a pro-Sally fan.
That isn't to say I don't like Amy Rose too. They both are good characters if
given a chance. Sally has already been in pretty much all the comic issues and
SATam cartoons and therefore her character has been developed very well, but
Amy Rose hasn't been in any cartoons and she has only been in very few comics
(she wasn't even in the anime!), so the only personality that's been developed
for her is her video game persona of a 'damsel in distress' and a kid who tags
along, chasing after Sonic. I'm sure if she were in more issues so her
character could grow and mature like all the others, THEN we could probably
argue who's better.
I personally don't want to argue about it in the first place. I like both of
them (even if I'll always like Sally more ;P) and they both have good qualities
about them. So I ask all of you; knock off the Sally bashing already, ok?
Reserve the bashings for Geoffery St. John A.K.A. St. Jerk. ;P
~Yuki
"A world of silver where dragons soar the sky, the goddess walks among us,
and a young boy is the savior of all."
"Don't make me whack you with my squeeky mallet!"
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How can he walk like WHAT? What does he walk like? Maybe I should watch my old
tapes of the SatAM Sonic shows.
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Rotor wasn't born in the forest. He just came there when he joined the Freedom
Fighters. Or something like that.
> Rotor wasn't born in the forest. He just came there when he joined the Freedom
> Fighters. Or something like that.
I am the Walrus... I am the Eggman... Goo goo gachoo!
In Fleetway she's quite a strongly developed charecter and an
indispensible member of the FFs
Liam Slater
LSG...@slater3.demon.co.uk
Fleetway is better than Archie as I have said on many occasions.
Sonic and Amy are 16.
Liam Slater
LSG...@slater3.demon.co.uk
Where did you get 20 from?
Hyena
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hye...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Oh no,not one of these endless Usenet battles!!!Noones gonna win!!!Look,Amy
> and Sally are both real babes,although Sally is a little better at
> fighting,and Amy´s not as self-centered and stupid-so what??
>
No, Amy's just stupid. That's all. And if Sally is self centered, it must
have happened after issue 39.
>Sonic and Amy are 16.
>
>Liam Slater
>LSG...@slater3.demon.co.uk
>Where did you get 20 from?
From Nigel Kitching - where did you get 16 from? Anyway it's
just a sort of approximate answer. Their actual age isn't specified.
Tails is mid-teens in Fleetway, if I remember correctly.
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David Bulmer
Sonic definately is 16, it was in a special.
Liam Slater
LSG...@slater3.demon.co.uk
Robotnik,@Hedgehog, I think you STILL don't understand my power..."
>>>Where did you get 20 from?
>>
>> From Nigel Kitching - where did you get 16 from? Anyway it's
>>just a sort of approximate answer. Their actual age isn't specified.
>>Tails is mid-teens in Fleetway, if I remember correctly.
>
>Sonic definately is 16, it was in a special.
>
Special? When was that? If it's the one I'm thinking of then in
all likelyhood it was true then. Anyway, whatever the plot has been in
the past, Nigel tells me he now believes Sonic to be in his twenties,
although his actual age hasn't been defined.
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CoMA
No, Frankly, I cannot.
Mach H. Hedgehog,
Pointless thingy of the un-determined amount of time:
"They were lonely. So the little old lady decided to make a man out of stinky
cheese."-The Stinky Cheese Man and Other Fairly Stupid Tales.
Lesse.. he doesn't like Antoine (Ant) and he hates King Acorn (KAc) with
a passion. He doesn't like AoStH (AdS), but he likes the Archie (Arc)
comics and the SatAM (WkS) show. At least I think so... who knows..
General consenus impending: who hates these code things because they
can't read them half the time and think they're a waste of space? :)
Aechla
Very true. Very true indeed.
>Waiting for Sparkster 3....
>
You mean Sparkster the Rocket Knight. As far as I know there won't be one.
(Unless you know something I don't.)
Quote of the week:
"Damn! How could I loose to a weekling like you!?"-Jello Man/Double
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Does this mean that Rotor is really Robotnik? I think you've read too many
early Archies...
The Chaos Emerald
The Chaos Emerald wrote:
> Jeff Read wrote...
> >
> >I am the Walrus... I am the Eggman... Goo goo gachoo!
>
> Does this mean that Rotor is really Robotnik? I think you've read too many
> early Archies...
>
> The Chaos Emerald
I remember that....I loved that issue (it was back when every body read comic
books for the reason that the title implies, and didn't expect great literature
out of them).
SONIC FAN wrote:
> In article <yazt1.34669$E5.83...@proxye1.san.rr.com>,
> chaos-...@usa.net says...
> > Jeff Read wrote...
> > >
> > >I am the Walrus... I am the Eggman... Goo goo gachoo!
> >
> >
> > Does this mean that Rotor is really Robotnik? I think you've read too many
> > early Archies...
> >
> > The Chaos Emerald
> >
> >
> Rotor is really Robotnik? That sounds like a good idea
> for Sonic Fights Robotnik 6. No wait SFR 6 is The Return
> of Bob. Ok Sonic Fights Robotnik 7 maybe
You're an idiot. That would never work. Are you joking (it sounds like
something you'd do, that's the only reason I'm taking it seriously). Robor and
Robotnik have been in the same place at the same time. Rotor has helped the FF's
on several occasions, and he knows where knothole is. If Rotor was Robotnik,
then Robotnik would know where knothole was, and crush the FFs. There are even
more reasons as to why it's impossible. It's just plain stupid.
You're doing this on purpose! You purposely misspell F*ck and put greenday and
more Tails' uncles than we know what to do with! You have furry bevis and
butthead, you have the 100000000000000000000 swat missel,s and you do it to
torture us! Great Scott, you're worse than Dr. Forrester! GAK!
Mach H. Hedgehog,
Pointless thingy of the un-determined amount of time:
69. Catsup is not a viable means of transportation.
Yeah, and he keeps spelling "Mountain Dew" wrong! GAK! ACK, ACK,
a-DAK!! (I heard that on "Mighty Mouse: the New Adventures" back in
'87. Don't know what it means...)
> Mach H. Hedgehog,
> Pointless thingy of the un-determined amount of time:
>
> 69. Catsup is not a viable means of transportation.
Yes, but is Ketchup?
Howie T. Cat, who just won 20 ounces of Mountain Dew (not "Due")
http://www.yerf.com/furnjaso/
ACK, ACK, a-DAK!
On 25 Jul 1998, MachHedge wrote:
> >Rotor is really Robotnik? That sounds like a good idea
> >for Sonic Fights Robotnik 6. No wait SFR 6 is The Return
> >of Bob. Ok Sonic Fights Robotnik 7 maybe
>
> You're doing this on purpose! You purposely misspell F*ck and put greenday and
> more Tails' uncles than we know what to do with! You have furry bevis and
> butthead, you have the 100000000000000000000 swat missel,s and you do it to
> torture us! Great Scott, you're worse than Dr. Forrester! GAK!
>
> Mach H. Hedgehog,
> Pointless thingy of the un-determined amount of time:
>
> 69. Catsup is not a viable means of transportation.
>
>
>
Not to mention, he uses Snively in his stories, too!
Joya Nappo
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(Lead singer of the Smashing Pumpkins!)
Howie T. Cat wrote: > Mach H. Hedgehog,
> > Pointless thingy of the un-determined amount of time:
> >
> > 69. Catsup is not a viable means of transportation.
>
> Yes, but is Ketchup?
>
IT IS CATSUP THAT'S THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SPELLED.
nope. neither.
Since when is logic a part of his storys?
<sobbing> Make it stop! Make it stop!
Signing off,
DAV
"I have always wanted to robotosize you hedgehog, but I've changed my mind!"
Dr. Robotnik
MachHedge wrote:
> Since when is logic a part of his storys?
>
> Mach H. Hedgehog,
> Pointless thingy of the un-determined amount of time:
>
> 69. Catsup is not a viable means of transportation.
You're right, I've been a fool.
You're being sarcastic, aren't you?
You're right: it IS Catsup! Except when it comes in a bottle marked
"Ketchup". Then it is Ketchup.
Howie T. Cat, who eats Ketchup, not Catsup
http://www.yerf.com/furnjaso/
Future thread: "It's CATSUP, damn you!"
Howie T. Cat wrote:
> Mark Palenik wrote:
> >
> > Howie T. Cat wrote: > Mach H. Hedgehog,
> >
> > > > Pointless thingy of the un-determined amount of time:
> > > >
> > > > 69. Catsup is not a viable means of transportation.
> > >
> > > Yes, but is Ketchup?
> > >
> >
> > IT IS CATSUP THAT'S THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SPELLED.
>
> You're right: it IS Catsup! Except when it comes in a bottle marked
> "Ketchup". Then it is Ketchup.
>
I guess your right....but it's still Catsup. I'm going to have a word
with those people at Hines (is that how it's spelled?).....
MachHedge wrote:
> >> Since when is logic a part of his storys?
> >>
> >> Mach H. Hedgehog,
> >> Pointless thingy of the un-determined amount of time:
> >>
> >> 69. Catsup is not a viable means of transportation.
> >
> > You're right, I've been a fool.
> >
> >
>
> You're being sarcastic, aren't you?
>
I should have snipped out your sig, then you would have known that I
wasn't. I was actualy thinking that Sonic Fan might listen to reason.
Well, It's OK, don't feel bad.
I like the stories! They're funny!
(don't throw things, just play along...)