Alright, DiC didn't do that great of a job of
dubbing from the originals, I do admit that.
BUT, I do believe that they deserve some
credit for their attempts.
I mean, if you have seen the originals and hate
the dubs, I can't blame you but then again, no one
said that you HAD to watch the dubs.
So just back off when u take all this time out
to bash them becuase at least they tried. And
for some, this IS the only way that they can
see the series.
And remember, if DiC hadn't dubbed the series,
many less people would have known about and
there would be less fans or Sailor Moon.
Just my two cents.
So go ahead, feel free to pick this apart.
So, so true.
>
> BUT, I do believe that they deserve some
>credit for their attempts.
>
> I mean, if you have seen the originals and hate
>the dubs, I can't blame you but then again, no one
>said that you HAD to watch the dubs.
I wasn't really a dub, it was an "adaption." They changed a whole heck of a
lot.
> So just back off when u take all this time out
>to bash them becuase at least they tried. And
>for some, this IS the only way that they can
>see the series.
Unfortuantly, that's true for me (until I get some fansubs).
> And remember, if DiC hadn't dubbed the series,
>many less people would have known about and
>there would be less fans or Sailor Moon.
Very true.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> So go ahead, feel free to pick this apart.
Just did.
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<snip - dic did bad job>
> BUT, I do believe that they deserve some
> credit for their attempts.
Why? They made an adaptation. Why should I, as an anime-lover, give
them credit for delivering a hack and slash dub of an initially good
series?
> I mean, if you have seen the originals and hate
> the dubs, I can't blame you but then again, no one
> said that you HAD to watch the dubs.
No, nobody did. However, wouldn't you be annoyed if you found out what
you'd been missing because DiC didn't feel a need to let everyone in on
the secret? DiC almost turned me OFF from Sailormoon and anime as a
whole because of the awful job they'd done!
> So just back off when u take all this time out
> to bash them becuase at least they tried.
What did they at least try? You mean that they tried to deliver a
series dumbed down for 12 year-olds? Thank you DiC! Good job!
> for some, this IS the only way that they can
> see the series.
You have Internet access, and you're saying this? With the same money
you're throwing away on one month of net access and cable, you can "buy"
enough fansubs to last you for months.
> And remember, if DiC hadn't dubbed the series,
> many less people would have known about and
> there would be less fans or Sailor Moon.
More fans of dubbed Sailor Moon is not necessarily a good thing. It's
helped to spread the phenomenon known as Crappy Geocities And AOL
Webpages With Misleading And Inaccurate Information Copied From Other
Geocities And AOL Webpages. It also annoys many of us when some of the
dubbies refuse to watch Sailormoon because "I don't want to read
subtitles" or "their names are too weird".
> Just my two cents.
Same here. ^_^
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I thought they quit in protest of someone getting fired..or something like
that...
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Well... considering the series is basically over and done with (there
might be a -slight- chance for a return, but I doubt it), it doesn't
make much of a difference anyway. ^_^;; However, I agree that those two
new voices are horrible. On the whole, the "new" episodes have the
worst voice acting in the entire series. The only actress who does a
good job is Mina's VA. I suppose that Amy's VA is okay, though I never
really liked her to begin with (chipmunks, anyone?). When I think of
the "new" eps, I always think of Final Battle (the last -real-
episode). Serena's VA sounds quite bad and doesn't do her Japanese
alter-ego character justice.
There was also a question of money.
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> > And remember, if DiC hadn't dubbed the series,
> > many less people would have known about and
> > there would be less fans or Sailor Moon.
>
> More fans of dubbed Sailor Moon is not necessarily a good thing. It's
> helped to spread the phenomenon known as Crappy Geocities And AOL
> Webpages With Misleading And Inaccurate Information Copied From Other
> Geocities And AOL Webpages. It also annoys many of us when some of the
> dubbies refuse to watch Sailormoon because "I don't want to read
> subtitles" or "their names are too weird".
The top snipped paragraph is very true for me. I just happened to see
some "new" cartoon on TV one day and thought, "Hm..this looks
interesting." I hadn't thought too much about the series again until
recently when I caught SM on Cartoon Network when I took a day off from
work (I get home from work after 5pm and therefore never knew it came
on). Now I have a renewed interest in Sailor Moon and have been trying
to read all the episode summaries (in order of course!) I can find. But
without the inital exposure to the DiC episodes, I wouldn't have this
new "passion" in my life.
Now saying all that, I read the reply to the first paragraph...at this
time I guess I would consider myself a "dubbie". Simply because I've
ONLY seen the DiC dub. I enjoy the dubs very much. Why? I have yet to
see a "REAL" episode. I guess you can say I think hamburger is the best
meal in the world, simply because I have never had the chance to try
filet mignon. Don't worry, I mailed my order for subs yesterday and I
can't wait to see them.
But what I really wanted to say was Dave, give us dubbies a chance, it
takes some of us a while to become "enlightened" :)
Dimp
I don't hear any difference in Raye. Darien needs Toby Proctor, the current
voice does NOT sound like Tux.
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Nope not paid enough in Toby Proctor's case he left to do Police Academy
the Series...
J-me
We were told at the VA panel at CN Anime (I forget who said so, maybe Roland
Parliament) that Toby Proctor and Katie Griffin were pretty close ("They were
like this!" with fingers crossed), and it wasn't surprising that they left
together.
Okay...where did that come from...
J-me
Got to definitely agree with you about Tux. Truly horrible. The new eps
would have been a hell of a lot better with Proctor.
I liked Raye's new VA, although I thought Katie Griffin was great.
I think Lita's voice was the best, as her VA made her look close to Mako
in character.
Mina? I think they could have used someone with a wacky voice. Mina is too
straight-laced compared to the froot-loop Minako.
As for Serena, I am in the minority who thought Tracey Moore was better
than Terri Hawkes.
Geoff Dias wrote:
> Dave Manning <dman...@nospam.execulink.com> wrote:
> > However, I agree that those two new voices are horrible. On the whole,
> > the "new" episodes have the
> > worst voice acting in the entire series. The only actress who does a
> > good job is Mina's VA. I suppose that Amy's VA is okay, though I never
> > really liked her to begin with (chipmunks, anyone?). When I think of
> > the "new" eps, I always think of Final Battle (the last -real-
> > episode). Serena's VA sounds quite bad and doesn't do her Japanese
> > alter-ego character justice.
>
> Got to definitely agree with you about Tux. Truly horrible. The new eps
> would have been a hell of a lot better with Proctor.
>
> I liked Raye's new VA, although I thought Katie Griffin was great.
I think that the casting director did a good job for a Raye replacement...I
didn't notice a difference until I noticed how she said a certain line and it
dawned on me.....But K.G. has a lot more feeling in her voice acting....
>
>
> I think Lita's voice was the best, as her VA made her look close to Mako
> in character.
She did good but made her sound a little, well, dopey.
>
>
> Mina? I think they could have used someone with a wacky voice. Mina is too
> straight-laced compared to the froot-loop Minako.
They're both cuckoo
>
>
> As for Serena, I am in the minority who thought Tracey Moore was better
> than Terri Hawkes.
Though many people think Terri Hawkes sound too old, I think Tracey Moore
sounds too young.....Just a little too much overacting, IMHO....
--Scortia
Uh-oh, Terri Hawkes mustn't have liked that ONE BIT! -_^
HEY!!!! Don't dis Might Max and Teenage Muntant Turtles (well the live
action one that FOX did you can)...
I haven't seen these new eps of Sailor Moon... are they really that bad?
Heh, uhm. "Mars, celestial, firrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrRRRRrrRRRe
...." -_^ (she doesn't pronounce it right!)
> I think Lita's voice was the best, as her VA made her look close to Mako
> in character.
Her voice made her -look- like Makoto? *duck*
> Mina? I think they could have used someone with a wacky voice. Mina is too
> straight-laced compared to the froot-loop Minako.
Hmm, a lot of North Americans say she seems very empty in the NA dub...
I think she sounds good. ^_^ She seems to have voice acting talent.
> As for Serena, I am in the minority who thought Tracey Moore was better
> than Terri Hawkes.
I wonder what Tracey Moore would have been like in Day of Destiny or
Final Battle (I'm sure she could have done better in Final Battle...
anyone could have)
On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Dave Manning wrote:
> Geoff Dias wrote:
>
> > Mina? I think they could have used someone with a wacky voice. Mina is too
> > straight-laced compared to the froot-loop Minako.
>
> Hmm, a lot of North Americans say she seems very empty in the NA dub...
> I think she sounds good. ^_^ She seems to have voice acting talent.
I sort of agree. I don't think I've ever heard a potted
plant have as much voice talent as Mina does.
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> Though many people think Terri Hawkes sound too old, I think Tracey Moore
> sounds too young.....Just a little too much overacting, IMHO....
Well... Tracey Moore wouldn't have sounded too young if she were speaking in
Japanese...
They did a good job getting the pitch close to the original, but high voices
don't really carry over well in English. It's almost impossible to take them
seriously.
Tracey Moore's voice did bug me a little though, I kept on seeing Princess
Toadstool every time she spoke ^_^;;;
Michi-chan
> > However, I agree that those two new voices are horrible. On the whole,
> > the "new" episodes have the
> > worst voice acting in the entire series. The only actress who does a
> > good job is Mina's VA. I suppose that Amy's VA is okay, though I never
> > really liked her to begin with (chipmunks, anyone?). When I think of
> > the "new" eps, I always think of Final Battle (the last -real-
> > episode). Serena's VA sounds quite bad and doesn't do her Japanese
> > alter-ego character justice.
>
> Got to definitely agree with you about Tux. Truly horrible. The new eps
> would have been a hell of a lot better with Proctor.
I didn't much care for Proctor... although he probably would have been
better for those last episodes.
Ironically, I happen to think Vince Corazza (Alan/the new Tux) is a
better actor.
After listening to Tohru Furuya, though, they all seem... well... wrong.
> I liked Raye's new VA, although I thought Katie Griffin was great.
The new Raye sounded quite a bit like Katie Griffin, but for some reason
she just didn't sound very interesting. Mars didn't seem to be a very
noticeable character in the last 17 eps, I'm not sure if this was the
actor's fault or not.
> I think Lita's voice was the best, as her VA made her look close to Mako
> in character.
I totally love Jupiter's NA voice, it's one of the few which I think is
truly believable.
> Mina? I think they could have used someone with a wacky voice. Mina is too
> straight-laced compared to the froot-loop Minako.
Has anyone noticed that Stephanie Morgenstern's voice actually sounds
very similar to Rica Fukami's? The main difference is, Fukami's voice
is slightly... um... squeakier. I think I agree with you there, but
I suspect that's more the fault of the directing than the acting.
> As for Serena, I am in the minority who thought Tracey Moore was better
> than Terri Hawkes.
She certainly sounds closer to the original. Not quite sure if she
had enough range to her... but she never really got the chance to show
it.
I thought Terri Hawkes was adequate before I started watching the
original. Now, listening to her after Kotono is highly disturbing.
In the last 17 episodes, she also sounds *way* too old.
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This isn't really relevant, but I found it amusing. ^_^
scene: Final negative point. Wiseman floats above the sailor scouts,
weilding his crystal ball.
wiseman: The universe will be swallowed up in darkness!
*evil laughter as he raises his crystal ball into the air. Dark energy
flows through it, sending a stream of energy at the scouts. They're not
able to move.*
mercury: If this continues, we'll all....
*continue blasting*
mercury: I said, IF THIS CONTINUES, WE'LL ALL...
*continue blasting*
*snoring sound heard*
tuxedo mask: psst, Terri, wake up!
Moon, groggy voice: Huh, what's that? ... Oh! No, um, no. I won't
let that happen. yadda yadda yadda. Could we PLEASE end this recording
session?! It's already midnight! I don't care if you need to send the
tape out to YTV tomorrow morning; I need my sleep! Okay, start the
tape recorder.
sound recorder man: We're rolling.
Moon: moon crystal power. death phantom, aaa,aaah. There, we're
done.
Someone help end this confusion please :)
Dimp
For me, YTV and CHRO (Pembroke). Others are getting it now on local
stations in the US.
And some of us also have copies on tape.
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computer data, so please, don't play it. But you probably won't listen
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About the new voices (which I've not heard yet), I have one question
?
Did DiC change voice-actors on Amy ?
FWIW, I hope not ! I like that birdcall (chipmunk ) voice !!
Kelly Paul Graham
> Alex Taylor wrote:
> <SNIP!>
> > I thought Terri Hawkes was adequate before I started watching the
> > original. Now, listening to her after Kotono is highly disturbing.
Kotono was the Japanese voice-actress ?
I've been able to hear clips of the original. And, I have to
say, she sounds like a 4-yr-old, not 14-yr-old !!
Sm in Japanese sounded like my niece at four years of age :(
Kelly Paul Graham.
I don't agree with you, personally. I think Kotono sounded very very good as
Usagi.
Besides, a cute and innocent four-year-old is a much better image for Usagi
than the screechy whining Terri Hawkes version. A lot of the people I've talked
to who don't like Sailor Moon don't like it because of Serena.
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I don't know who you're replying to... but many of us live in Canada.
In Japanese, it's pleasant for women to speak in a higher range than in
English. If any of my female friends spoke Japanese in the same pitch
as English, I wonder if it would even be slightly possible for them to
get a date with a Japanese non-English speaker. ^_^;;; BTW, you might
want to give the original a try. Most people feel that it's quite a lot
better.
This is a common pitch for girls her age in anime. Japanese women
generally sound higher than American women (IRL).
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