Is Naoko Takeuchi openly bisexual?
Jennifer
pocket mixx #4 yesterday, and right in the middle is this picture of
"Bunny" and "Mina." Anyways, they're both in lingerie, and Bunny is
leaning back against Mina. They're both angled slightly facing to the
reader's right. Mina has her left arm around Bunny and is squeezing
Bunny's left breast, and the other hand is around the other side of
Bunny on Bunny's right thigh, and it looks as through her hand is
pulling up the bottom of Bunny's skirt, Bunny just has her arms crossed
over herself. Anyways, since the characters of Bunny and Mina seem to
be straight (not to mention that Bunny has Darien) this was an ODD
picture. So then when I thought about the other pictures of to the side
in the manga books like the sailor senshi in playboy bunny outfits and
stuff like that, I began to wonder if she was homosexual. Then I
remembered that she was married and calls Darien "SOO sexy" so I figured
that she might be openly bisexual--hence all of the revealing senshi
pictures and Mina/Bunny picture. So is this a common known fact like
"Darien is...TUXEDO MASK!" or, if it is completely untrue, does anyone
have a CLUE why there are pictures like that in the manga? Perhaps they
were drawn by the helper-artists (quite possibly male) and those are
their fantasies? Because she doesn't draw all of the pictures, right?
Just some (or does she even draw any on the later books)? I guess
there's no way to tell who draws what, huh? Well, thanks in advance!!!
Momo Yumyum
to the extent that there is in the United States. Most Japanese who consider
homosexuality "wrong" do so only because it goes against the heterosexual norm.
After all, this is the country where "the nail that sticks up will be hammered
down."
In anime and manga, "odd pictures" like the one you describe are not at all
uncommon or controversial. Most of the time, those pictures are just something
for fanboys and fangirls to drool over, sexy bits of eye candy that should not
be taken seriously. In anime, there is a whole subculture of (male AND female)
fans who love to match up their favorite straight characters in same-sex
relationships, because they find it sexy or exciting, or because they are
unsatisfied with the official heterosexual pairings. Do an internet search for
"shounen-ai" or "shoujo-ai" and see what you find.
I think Naoko just likes to have fun with her characters, who were designed to
have considerable sex appeal. There's no question that she drew those pictures
herself, but I wouldn't read too much into it. In the manga, there are also
some snuggly pics of Mamoru and Motoki (Darien and Andrew), and those occur
within the context of the actual story. So does that make Naoko a gay man?
Shounen-ai and shoujo-ai are much too common to be indicative of a single
artist's own sexual preferences.
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: Okay, I know this sounds like a weird question. But I was reading
if you think this is fun, wait til Stars when Minako and Rei said they
don't need boyfirends because they have Usagi ^_^;;
--
Geoffrey Winn
Well I think Gally pretty much explained everything in her reply to this
post. Let me just reiterate that ALL the pictures in the manga are
drawn by Naoko Takeuchi - every single one. For the anime, yes, there
are lots of different artists, but Naoko-sensei draws all the pictures
for the anime.
And even though, as Gally says, 'shounen-ai' and 'shoujo-ai' are very
common, there are some things here and there in Sailormoon that make me
wonder... keep your eye open. ^_-
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: In Japan, there is no moral stigma attached to homosexuality -- at least, not
: to the extent that there is in the United States. Most Japanese who consider
: homosexuality "wrong" do so only because it goes against the heterosexual norm.
: After all, this is the country where "the nail that sticks up will be hammered
: down."
i heard from my friend who has lived in Japan for 6 yrs (and speaks
Japanese) said as long as it is not their own children who are gay, they
are alright with it ^_~
: have considerable sex appeal. There's no question that she drew those pictures
: herself, but I wouldn't read too much into it. In the manga, there are also
: some snuggly pics of Mamoru and Motoki (Darien and Andrew), and those occur
really? i haven't come across that one yet...which volume is it? (she does
draw the guys on the a little femme side)
AmyRex2
now when ever I run across such things I go EEPP!! and my roommate grabs the
book from my hands......
My fave EEPP is in Moon Fight With Tux in a speedo.....scary eepp.....
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> Well I think Gally pretty much explained everything in her reply to
>this post. Let me just reiterate that ALL the pictures in the manga
>are> drawn by Naoko Takeuchi - every single one.
Wow!! I can definitely see how manga artists would get burned out,
then..
> And even though, as Gally says, 'shounen-ai' and 'shoujo-ai' are very
> common, there are some things here and there in Sailormoon that make
>me wonder... keep your eye open. ^_-
That make you wonder about Naoko Takeuchi's sexual preference or that
of the Sailor Moon characters?
Goodness, I'm still trying to figure out how Mamoru and Motoki's
cuddling fits in with the storyline!!! Not that there's anythign wrong
with being homosexual, it's just that Mamoru is in love with Usagi from
very early on in the manga (which would make one think he was
straight). (I've read pocket issues 2-5. When'd the cuddling occur?
Pocket manga #1?) I mean girls can cuddle with each other and no one
thinks anything about it, but I guess in the US guys just DON'T in
general. Most guys won't even admit when another guy is cute (which I
think is dumb--girls admit when other girls are pretty all the time).
But still, Mamoru seems to have those intamacy issue which would make
me think that he still wouldn't be all too cuddly.
About what someone else said, with Minako and Raye not needing
boyfriends cause they have Usagi, that sounds to me more like a friends
thing, right? Not that they suddenly become sexually interested in her.
Just making sure I interpreted that correctly ^_^
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> I remember that picture, I let out a word that I am told sounded
like "eeipp!!"
> now when ever I run across such things I go EEPP!! and my roommate
grabs the
> book from my hands......
>
> My fave EEPP is in Moon Fight With Tux in a speedo.....scary
eepp.....
>
Do you recall what volume/season/whatever that pic of Mamoru/Motoki
snuggling was in? I'm guesing it wasn't groping (at least I hope not--
Usagi'd be crushed!) if it fit into the storyline. Was it actually
CUDDLING or was it obvious that they were just good friends?
Also, what volume is the the tux-in-a-speedo pic in? That DOES sound
like a scary eep! ^_^;
-Jennifer
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>
> > Well I think Gally pretty much explained everything in her reply to
> >this post. Let me just reiterate that ALL the pictures in the manga
> >are> drawn by Naoko Takeuchi - every single one.
>
> Wow!! I can definitely see how manga artists would get burned out,
> then..
Actually, most manga artists have uncredited assistants to help with the
work. Not sure what the case is for Ms. Takeuchi, though.
Arnold Kim
utena
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> Jennifer <Tuxed...@sailormoon.com> wrote:
> : Okay, I know this sounds like a weird question. But I was reading
> : pocket mixx #4 yesterday, and right in the middle is this picture of
> : "Bunny" and "Mina." Anyways, they're both in lingerie, and Bunny is
> : leaning back against Mina. They're both angled slightly facing to the
> : reader's right. Mina has her left arm around Bunny and is squeezing
> : Bunny's left breast, and the other hand is around the other side of
> : Bunny on Bunny's right thigh, and it looks as through her hand is
> : pulling up the bottom of Bunny's skirt, Bunny just has her arms crossed
> : over herself. Anyways, since the characters of Bunny and Mina seem to
> : be straight (not to mention that Bunny has Darien) this was an ODD
> : picture. So then when I thought about the other pictures of to the side
> : in the manga books like the sailor senshi in playboy bunny outfits and
> : stuff like that, I began to wonder if she was homosexual. Then I
> : remembered that she was married and calls Darien "SOO sexy" so I figured
> : that she might be openly bisexual--hence all of the revealing senshi
> : pictures and Mina/Bunny picture. So is this a common known fact like
> : "Darien is...TUXEDO MASK!" or, if it is completely untrue, does anyone
> : have a CLUE why there are pictures like that in the manga? Perhaps they
> : were drawn by the helper-artists (quite possibly male) and those are
> : their fantasies? Because she doesn't draw all of the pictures, right?
> : Just some (or does she even draw any on the later books)? I guess
> : there's no way to tell who draws what, huh? Well, thanks in advance!!!
>
>
> don't need boyfirends because they have Usagi ^_^;;
> --
>
I don't find that at all strange... I mean some girls joke around with
their friends that they are lesbians. However, I've never quite seen too
many guys do it...
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She does have assistants. Some of their individual works of the
characters (looking almost exactly like Naoko's drawings...) appear in
the Infinity artbook.
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>
>Do you recall what volume/season/whatever that pic of Mamoru/Motoki
>snuggling was in? I'm guesing it wasn't groping (at least I hope not--
>Usagi'd be crushed!) if it fit into the storyline. Was it actually
>CUDDLING or was it obvious that they were just good friends?
Volume 3, Act 11. Dark Endymion appears in front of Crown Game Center. He
kills Motoki's friend Endou, then hypnotizes Motoki, who turns evil and starts
calling Endymion "Endou." The two of them become inseparable. They hang out
all the time, and one is often leaning against the other, or has his arms
around the other's neck. For a couple Japanese guys, they're being a little
cuddlier than "just good friends."
>Also, what volume is the the tux-in-a-speedo pic in? That DOES sound
>like a scary eep! ^_^;
That does not come from the regular manga, but from a very funny doujinshi
(unofficial fan-drawn comic) called "Moon Fight."
AmyRex2
>like a scary eep! ^_^;
>
It's in a doujinshi called moon fight. which is stuff done by fans.
ISBN4-89393-131-8 C0079 P950E
Makes me wish I had a web page just to put it on....
Zoe Tsukino
>
> For a couple Japanese guys, they're being a little
> cuddlier than "just good friends."
Johnny fans would hunt you down for a statement like that...
--
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: I don't find that at all strange... I mean some girls joke around with
: their friends that they are lesbians. However, I've never quite seen too
: many guys do it...
well for starter i think the society is a little more tolerant of lesbians
than gay men. two women are considered erotic by men and women but two men
are not. and besides the crazy image of masculinity which has been drilled
in our minds since our childhood is very fragile. a "macho" man can never
never be seen as gay. the stereotype is all gays are sissies. so most
people will think if you joke about being gay (as a guy) you are femme...
(okay...we go again with the homosexuality discussion...sorry didn't mean
to open this can of worms again)
Geoffrey Winn
>
> Momo Yumyum wrote:
> >
> > For a couple Japanese guys, they're being a little
> > cuddlier than "just good friends."
>
> Johnny fans would hunt you down for a statement like that...
Who's Johnny?
Geoffrey Winn
>
> > Well I think Gally pretty much explained everything in her reply to
> >this post. Let me just reiterate that ALL the pictures in the manga
> >are> drawn by Naoko Takeuchi - every single one.
>
> Wow!! I can definitely see how manga artists would get burned out,
> then..
>
> > common, there are some things here and there in Sailormoon that make
> >me wonder... keep your eye open. ^_-
>
> That make you wonder about Naoko Takeuchi's sexual preference or that
> of the Sailor Moon characters?
Both.
In one of her little margin notes (which have been horribly translated
by Mixx; I don't think Naoko-sensei would ever say 'hey all you
mixxers!!'), she writes 'Dear Miss So-and-so, Let's do something naughty
again!' Of course, this could mean just about anything, but my mind
makes certain assumptions. ^_^
In both the anime and manga, Usagi remarks to herself 'This girl is
kinda cute' upon meeting Mizuno Ami for the first time. In the manga,
Ami takes Usagi on a bus ride because she knows 'a cute girl' gets on at
a certain time (this later turns out to be Rei). Now, 'cuteness' is
very important to Japanese girls. And even American girls comment on
each others' attractiveness without being considered gay. Still, the
way these translations are worded make it seem more than simple admiration.
> Goodness, I'm still trying to figure out how Mamoru and Motoki's
> cuddling fits in with the storyline!!! Not that there's anythign wrong
> with being homosexual, it's just that Mamoru is in love with Usagi from
> very early on in the manga (which would make one think he was
> straight). (I've read pocket issues 2-5. When'd the cuddling occur?
> Pocket manga #1?) I mean girls can cuddle with each other and no one
> thinks anything about it, but I guess in the US guys just DON'T in
> general. Most guys won't even admit when another guy is cute (which I
> think is dumb--girls admit when other girls are pretty all the time).
> But still, Mamoru seems to have those intamacy issue which would make
> me think that he still wouldn't be all too cuddly.
Again, someone answered this in a post up above, but I'll answer it down
here too. This is the part in the manga where Mamoru's been brainwashed
by the Dark Kingdom. He, in turn, brainwashes his former friend Motoki.
They both basically have the mental capacity of a really, really evil
raddish. There is one scene where they have their arms around each
other, but it's more like "look how evil and weird we are" rather than cuddling.
> About what someone else said, with Minako and Raye not needing
> boyfriends cause they have Usagi, that sounds to me more like a friends
> thing, right? Not that they suddenly become sexually interested in her.
> Just making sure I interpreted that correctly ^_^
I dunno about Minako, but...
In the manga, Rei is very anti-men. I think it has something to do with
her being a priestess and having to stay 'pure', and there's also a
certain bit of feminism in there. Naoko-sensei did write a story called
"Casablanca Memory" that explained it all, but I didn't understand it.
Um, as a matter of fact, I'm not even sure why I brought this up... ^_^;;;
In the anime, though, there's one episode (SailorStars) where Michiru
says to Rei: "You and Usagi are very close, just like Haruka and me."
And Rei responds: "Please don't say it like that." So Rei's not gay, at
least not in the anime...
Zoe Tsukino
>
> Zoe Tsukino wrote:
> >
> > Momo Yumyum wrote:
> > >
> > > For a couple Japanese guys, they're being a little
> > > cuddlier than "just good friends."
> >
> > Johnny fans would hunt you down for a statement like that...
>
> Who's Johnny?
That refers to a group of people more than one person. 'Johnny'
Kitagawa is the owner of "Johnny's", a very very large group of
boys-young men who train in dancing and singing. The boy groups
Johnny's puts out are always on top of the charts and are very popular.
The groups I had listed under my name (V6, KinKi Kids, and the Jr.'s)
all display closeness on music shows, hence my comment.
Just a bit of trivia, only one non-Johnny boy-group has been able to
make it into the music scene, DA PUMP. Johnny's fought to keep them
from debuting...
People say Johnny's is connected to the yakuza...
--
Zoe
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Touga no Miko has no voice
>Zoe Tsukino wrote:
>>
>> Momo Yumyum wrote:
>> >
>> > For a couple Japanese guys, they're being a little
>> > cuddlier than "just good friends."
>>
>> Johnny fans would hunt you down for a statement like that...
>
>Who's Johnny?
Oh..I could *so* insert a bad 80's reference here....but no one would catch it
;_;
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>
>Oh..I could *so* insert a bad 80's reference here....but no one would catch
>it
>;_;
>
you mean like
"squash ... dead... disassemble....dead...DISASSEMBLE??....DEAD???....NO
DISASSEMBLE!!!"
Xenite Trekker
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AmyRex2
>>
>>Oh..I could *so* insert a bad 80's reference here....but no one would catch
>>it
" "Who's Johnny?' she said and smiled and looked the other way, 'Johnny,' I
said 'you know I love him...' "
Evan
>>
>>Oh..I could *so* insert a bad 80's reference here....but no one would catch
>>it
>>
>
>you mean like
>
>"squash ... dead... disassemble....dead...DISASSEMBLE??....DEAD???....NO
>DISASSEMBLE!!!"
>
<smile> I love that movie. :)
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>
>
>Xenite Trekker
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EternalUsagiLove
>In the manga, there are also
>some snuggly pics of Mamoru and Motoki (Darien and Andrew), and those occur
I know this is a semi-serious topic [well, to SOME people] but when I read that
last sentence I just started shaking from hysterics. ::sighs:: I am SO jr. high
school....
*~Ayame~*
EternalUsagiLove
>draw the guys on the a little femme side)
>
Possibly because she's a woman, and it is always easier to draw someone of
your own gender. Besides...who wants a romance with an over-sexed,
beer-bellied, into-football-and-girlie magazines type of guy?
*~Ayame~*
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nothing! (Okay, so we are trying to be "sexy" because we don't have any
boyfriends, but we want some!)
> Anyways, they're both in lingerie, and Bunny is
>leaning back against Mina. They're both angled slightly facing to the
>reader's right. Mina has her left arm around Bunny and is squeezing
>Bunny's left breast, and the other hand is around the other side of
>Bunny on Bunny's right thigh, and it looks as through her hand is
>pulling up the bottom of Bunny's skirt, Bunny just has her arms crossed
>over herself.
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>of
>your own gender.
I agree with this. I just CANNOT draw guys! They look like women! It sucks!
Space Rebel
>don't need boyfirends because they have Usagi ^_^;;
How kawaii! ^^
Space Rebel
>(unofficial fan-drawn comic) called "Moon Fight."
VERY funny doujinshi! ^________^
Davyd Stormtree
noe...@aol.completeme (Touga no Miko has no voice) wrote:
> Geoffrey Winn wrote:
>
> >Zoe Tsukino wrote:
> >>
> >> Momo Yumyum wrote:
> >> >
> >> > For a couple Japanese guys, they're being a little
> >> > cuddlier than "just good friends."
> >>
> >> Johnny fans would hunt you down for a statement like that...
> >
>
> Oh..I could *so* insert a bad 80's reference here....but no one would
catch it
> ;_;
>
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> In the manga, Rei is very anti-men. I think it has something to do with
> her being a priestess and having to stay 'pure', and there's also a
> certain bit of feminism in there. Naoko-sensei did write a story called
> "Casablanca Memory" that explained it all, but I didn't understand it.
It's a story about why Rei doesn't trust or like men. We learn that her
mother died of neglect, pretty much, and that every year her father
makes a date with her on her birthday, then cancels, sending his
assistant instead. Rei falls in love with the assistant, then with the
help of a "genius loci" (all the battle stories seem to have these
"spririts of place that inhabit them and cause the Senshi to obsess more
than they otherwise might about something that already bothers them) she
begins to get very melancholy. Ultimately she rejects both the genius
loci and men.
Cheers,
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> : I don't find that at all strange... I mean some girls joke around with
> : their friends that they are lesbians. However, I've never quite seen too
> : many guys do it...
>
> well for starter i think the society is a little more tolerant of lesbians
> than gay men. two women are considered erotic by men and women but two men
> are not. and besides the crazy image of masculinity which has been drilled
> in our minds since our childhood is very fragile. a "macho" man can never
> never be seen as gay. the stereotype is all gays are sissies. so most
> people will think if you joke about being gay (as a guy) you are femme...
It's a bit more than that...
The thing is, for ages mens' 'manliness' has been popularly measured by
his virility, i.e. his ability, and proclivity, to impregnate women (and,
by extension, his sexual prowess). There are deep-seated historical reasons
for this, as most anthropologists will probably tell you.
Gay men are pretty much out of the game when it comes to impregnating
women through sexual prowess. Thus, according to the 'traditional'
mindset, implying that a heterosexual man is gay is to SERIOUSLY slur
his virility. That's something that is deeply upsetting to most men
(again, there are historical/psychological reasons); therefore, most
straight men will instinctively try to avoid any such implication as
vehemently as possible.
Fortunately, the 'traditional' mindset can be beaten, and IMHO it is
starting to be.
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> Pocket manga #1?) I mean girls can cuddle with each other and no one
> thinks anything about it, but I guess in the US guys just DON'T in
> general. Most guys won't even admit when another guy is cute (which I
> think is dumb--girls admit when other girls are pretty all the time).
<sigh> This may be a surprise, but most of the time we guys CAN'T TELL
if another guy is cute or not. Seriously. We have no idea.
Maybe 10-25% of the time we can tell. Well, maybe it comes with practise
and exposure to female demonstration.
Tuxed...@sailormoon.com
> >That does not come from the regular manga, but from a very funny
doujinshi
> >(unofficial fan-drawn comic) called "Moon Fight."
>
> VERY funny doujinshi! ^________^
Does anyone have the address where I could find this unofficial fan
manga thingy? Thanks!
Kishiji Bando
Dahlia thus spoke:
>> if you think this is fun, wait til Stars when
>> Minako and Rei said they don't need boyfirends
>> because they have Usagi ^_^;;
>
>I don't find that at all strange... I mean some
>girls joke around with their friends that they
>are lesbians. However, I've never quite seen too
>many guys do it...
But this was no joke, they were deadly serious... ^_^
And it wasn't a big shock for the readers either,
Minako having clearly stated, in her Sailor V period,
that her most important loved one is Usagi since the
Silver Millenium times. It was to be expected that
the other Senshi would feel the same way...
Ja ja,
KB
Kishiji Bando
Tuxedo Luver thus spoke:
> So then when I thought about the other pictures of to
> the side in the manga books like the sailor senshi in
> playboy bunny outfits and stuff like that, I began to
> wonder if Takeuchi Naoko was homosexual. Then I
> remembered that she was married and calls Darien "SOO
> sexy" so I figured that she might be openly bisexual--
> hence all of the revealing senshi pictures and
> Mina/Bunny picture. So is this a common known fact
> like "Darien is...TUXEDO MASK!" or, if it is completely
> untrue, does anyone have a CLUE why there are pictures
> like that in the manga?
Well, I wouldn't exactly say bisexual, buuuuut...
Takeuchi Naoko-sama, who BTW always said she planned to
marry a guy one day and retire (and who eventually did
exactly that), has acknowledged many times an attraction
to women, especially cute-sexy lolita girlies and strong
oneesama types. Not like some big coming out or anything
like that, mind you, more like stating the obvious and
natural, the way most Japanese girls feel. Sailor V and
Sailor Moon are the manga in which she gave free rein to
her yuri fetish, and this is one of the reasons of their
spectacular success with the Japanese female readership.
And since we are on the subject...
KB no omake! Here's something nice for you all! ^_^ You
know, I'm sure, that "Codename wa Sailor V", in RunRun,
was the first Sailor Senshi series... right? The first
chapter was Sailor V versus Pandora, cute and evil idol
girl, and the second chapter was Sailor V versus Petite
Pandora, even more cute and evil idol girl. This manga
has been published here in the west, and there are even
translations available in the Internet, BUT... for some
reason... the Author's Omake page that comes after the
Petite Pandora story can't be found anywhere!!! I don't
know why, but it seems noone has translated it before.
So, you guessed it, I'm going to do it myself! ^_^ Just
for minna-san here in the NG! ^_^
Text in "" is Takeuchi-sama speaking.
Text in // is a character speaking.
Text in [] is me describing.
--- START OMAKE ---
"Once, not too far ago, Petite Pandora was a nice
magazine full of sexy pictures of pretty girls.
Ahahah... you know what sort of magazine I mean,
surely? ^_^ Now, it's not published anymore, but
if you ask your big brothers about it, they may
just remember it... Yes, 'cause it was a naughty
magazine for boys, as you have guessed... ^_^ "
"These days, Osa-P likes re-reading old issues of
that magazine... Even more so because there will
be no new issues... "
[Little picture of a pig with spectacles reading
an ecchi magazine]
Osa-P: /Sigh... Those were the good times.../
"When Osa-P reads Sailor V, he says it's a little
bit like reading Petite Pandora... "
[Big picture of Petite Pandora, Sailor V's enemy,
looking unspeakably cute & sexy in a see-through
dress with roses everywhere... she really looks
like a lolicon no hentai's wet dream... ^_^ ]
Petite Pandora, talking to the readers: /And you,
are you attracted to pretty girls, too?/
"I love Petite Pandora's chinese hairstyle... "
"Oh, by the way, me, my favorite naughty magazine
was Tyo... It was full of sexy pics of beautiful
girls that made me drool... Wah, I so much loved
that magazine... But it's not published anymore,
either... sniffle... sob... "
"(But it's okay because I have all the old issues
that I carefully collected! So I can re-read 'em
any time I want!!)"
"The centerfold girl I digged the most in Tyo was
Ruban, she was sooooo hot! She was a singer too,
and I loved her songs!"
--- END OMAKE ---
Writing this kind of thing for the little girls that buy
RunRun or Nakayoshi... Totally COOL! Don't you just love
Takeuchi Naoko? ^_^
Ja ja,
KB
*******************************************
* "Yatta! Look, Tomoyo-chan! I did it! *
* I caught the card! And this one is *
* 'The Clue'! It was a tough one, but *
* I got it in the end! It feels good *
* to finally have it in hand! It feels *
* so good... In fact, I'm starting to *
* feel a little weird... It's as if... *
* I feel... this... warmth inside... *
* I... I am... I... To... Tomoyo-chan? *
* Tomoyo-chan!!! I... you are... I... *
* Oh, Tomoyo-chan, I understand now! *
* I love you too!!" *
*******************************************
Theresa Ann Wymer
: Geoffrey Winn wrote:
: >Who's Johnny?
: Oh..I could *so* insert a bad 80's reference here....but no one would catch it
: ;_;
: ~TnM
: Yay for DeBarge!
I dunno...that's the first thing *I* thought of. "'Who's Johnny?' she
said, and smiled in her special way..." I miss that song. I should see
if the 70s/80s station here does requests.
--
Theresa Ann Wymer twy...@efn.org
Jerry Shaw
>> >That does not come from the regular manga, but from a very funny
>doujinshi
>> >(unofficial fan-drawn comic) called "Moon Fight."
>Does anyone have the address where I could find this unofficial fan
>manga thingy? Thanks!
Actually, it is a regular Japanese anthology-type publication, and should be
available from most Japanese bookstore sources (unless individual volumes are
out of print).
Jerry
Geoffrey Winn
>
> Geoffrey Winn wrote:
>
> >Zoe Tsukino wrote:
> >>
> >> Momo Yumyum wrote:
> >> >
> >> > For a couple Japanese guys, they're being a little
> >> > cuddlier than "just good friends."
> >>
> >> Johnny fans would hunt you down for a statement like that...
> >
>
> Oh..I could *so* insert a bad 80's reference here....but no one would catch it
> ;_;
Hehe, actually I was thinking about the song "Who's Johnny?" when I
wrote that. Actually, I haven't heard the original, but 'Weird Al'
Yankovic did a parody "Here's Johnny" that I have heard.
Geoffrey Winn
>
> Geoffrey Winn wrote:
>
> > In the manga, Rei is very anti-men. I think it has something to do with
> > her being a priestess and having to stay 'pure', and there's also a
> > certain bit of feminism in there. Naoko-sensei did write a story called
> > "Casablanca Memory" that explained it all, but I didn't understand it.
>
> It's a story about why Rei doesn't trust or like men. We learn that her
> mother died of neglect, pretty much, and that every year her father
> makes a date with her on her birthday, then cancels, sending his
> assistant instead. Rei falls in love with the assistant, then with the
> help of a "genius loci" (all the battle stories seem to have these
> "spririts of place that inhabit them and cause the Senshi to obsess more
> than they otherwise might about something that already bothers them) she
> begins to get very melancholy. Ultimately she rejects both the genius
> loci and men.
But the stuff with the guy (the assisstant) all happened in the past, in
a flashback. The genius loci, as you call it, appears in the present,
after all that stuff has already happened. And somehow Jadeite appears
in the middle of all this, and I have no idea what he's doing there at all.
Geoffrey Winn
>
> Geoffrey Winn wrote:
>
> > In the manga, Rei is very anti-men. I think it has something to do with
> > her being a priestess and having to stay 'pure', and there's also a
> > certain bit of feminism in there. Naoko-sensei did write a story called
> > "Casablanca Memory" that explained it all, but I didn't understand it.
>
> It's a story about why Rei doesn't trust or like men. We learn that her
> mother died of neglect, pretty much, and that every year her father
> makes a date with her on her birthday, then cancels, sending his
> assistant instead. Rei falls in love with the assistant, then with the
> help of a "genius loci" (all the battle stories seem to have these
> "spririts of place that inhabit them and cause the Senshi to obsess more
> than they otherwise might about something that already bothers them) she
> begins to get very melancholy. Ultimately she rejects both the genius
> loci and men.
But the stuff with the guy (the assisstant) all happened in the past, in
a flashback. The genius loci, as you call it, appears in the present,
after all that stuff has already happened. And somehow Jadeite appears
in the middle of all this, and I have no idea what he's doing there at all.
I don't get what Naoko is trying to say to young girls with this story.
Geoffrey Winn
>
> Writing this kind of thing for the little girls that buy
> RunRun or Nakayoshi... Totally COOL! Don't you just love
> Takeuchi Naoko? ^_^
Yes. I think she's awesome!! ^_^
Alex Taylor
> > >> > For a couple Japanese guys, they're being a little
> > >> > cuddlier than "just good friends."
> > >>
> > >> Johnny fans would hunt you down for a statement like that...
> > >
> > >Who's Johnny?
> >
> > Oh..I could *so* insert a bad 80's reference here....but no one would catch it
> > ;_;
>
> Hehe, actually I was thinking about the song "Who's Johnny?" when I
> wrote that. Actually, I haven't heard the original, but 'Weird Al'
> Yankovic did a parody "Here's Johnny" that I have heard.
'Here's Johnny!', he says
and laughs in his special way.
'Johnny!' he says
you know I love him.
'Here's Johnny' he says
and second fiddle is his game
Ed McMahon's his name!
I have that album...
(I also got the reference.)
Alex Taylor
> [Little picture of a pig with spectacles reading
> an ecchi magazine]
Is "ecchi" is what's written on the front&back covers?
> "When Osa-P reads Sailor V, he says it's a little
> bit like reading Petite Pandora... "
>
> [Big picture of Petite Pandora, Sailor V's enemy,
> looking unspeakably cute & sexy in a see-through
> dress with roses everywhere... she really looks
> like a lolicon no hentai's wet dream... ^_^ ]
I dunno, she's still pretty buxom-looking...
(The original Pandora was way more attractive, anyway!)
I did like that issue, though... it introduced the police chief!
Momo Yumyum
>> [Little picture of a pig with spectacles reading
>> an ecchi magazine]
>
>Is "ecchi" is what's written on the front&back covers?
No, the words on the cover are "Run-Run," the name of the magazine that first
published Sailor V.
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Geoffrey Winn
>
> Alex Taylor wrote:
> >> [Little picture of a pig with spectacles reading
> >> an ecchi magazine]
> >
> >Is "ecchi" is what's written on the front&back covers?
>
> No, the words on the cover are "Run-Run," the name of the magazine that first
> published Sailor V.
So "Run-Run" is an ecchi magazine? ^_-
Karcy
the branches of the trees. All warm blooded creatures were asleep, and silence
ruled the night, broken by a frantic: "AAAAaaaaahhh!"by a fair haired boy, followed
closely
by an incredibly speedy talking girl yelling "Hayama, lemme see you smile! You're
BLUSHING!!!! KawaaaaIII!!!!!!!!" Just then, a spaceship landed, and out came Momo
Yumyum, and it bellowed in a loud voice:
> In Japan, there is no moral stigma attached to homosexuality -- at least, not
> to the extent that there is in the United States. Most Japanese who consider
> homosexuality "wrong" do so only because it goes against the heterosexual norm.
> After all, this is the country where "the nail that sticks up will be hammered
> down."
>
> In anime and manga, "odd pictures" like the one you describe are not at all
> uncommon or controversial. Most of the time, those pictures are just something
> for fanboys and fangirls to drool over, sexy bits of eye candy that should not
> be taken seriously. In anime, there is a whole subculture of (male AND female)
> fans who love to match up their favorite straight characters in same-sex
> relationships, because they find it sexy or exciting, or because they are
> unsatisfied with the official heterosexual pairings. Do an internet search for
> "shounen-ai" or "shoujo-ai" and see what you find.
Actually, in the West, a HUGE group of fans are into this stuff as well. It's
called slash, and it involves homosexual pairings between famous characters, and
even real people. It's larger than one tends to think. In just one month a Star
Wars slash fanfic archive featuring only two of the characters (Obi Wan and Qui
Gon) collected up to one thousand (or was it more?) slash fanfiction.
Usually, partakers of slash fanfiction are heterosexual women.
>
>
> I think Naoko just likes to have fun with her characters, who were designed to
> have considerable sex appeal.
Naoko isn't the only one. There's CLAMP, dunno about their sexual orientation
though. I got one volume of Card Captor Sakura, and heavens, I have never seen so
many convulated relationships in a single volume in a kids' show. Most of them
appear to be teaser type relationships though (why is Syaoran blushing when Yukito
comes along?), though I'm unsure how things turn out to be later. I know for
certain that Tomoyo does have a romantic interest in Sakura, and Yukito and Touya
are as obvious as day, but the rest I'm not too sure. Apart from those two, there
are a ton more shoujo mangaka who enjoy doing little romantic pairings between same
sex characters - usually male.
> There's no question that she drew those pictures
> herself, but I wouldn't read too much into it. In the manga, there are also
> some snuggly pics of Mamoru and Motoki (Darien and Andrew), and those occur
> within the context of the actual story.
*thinks*..you know, I really don't recall seeing any snuggly Mamoru and Motoki
pics. I read all the manga. It's been a long while, but I don't recall seeing
Mamoru and Motoki being all that close to suggest homosexuality.
There is one scene when evil Endymion brainwashes Motoki, but their physical
contact isn't really 'snuggly' - just somewhat closer than usual, more or less the
way two guys who are best friends would hang around with. Note: Motoki and Mamoru
are not best friends in the manga, from what I recall.
--
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>
> Do an internet search for
> "shounen-ai" or "shoujo-ai" and see what you find.
I've heard of "shounen ai", but is "shoujo ai" really a genre? I did a
search and all I got were Video Girl Ai pages. ^_^
Momo Yumyum
>Momo Yumyum wrote:
>>
>> Do an internet search for
>> "shounen-ai" or "shoujo-ai" and see what you find.
>
>I've heard of "shounen ai", but is "shoujo ai" really a genre? I did a
>search and all I got were Video Girl Ai pages. ^_^
Some western fans use "shoujo-ai" to denote f/f pairings, especially those of a
romantic or softcore (as opposed to hardcore sexual) nature. I'm not sure
whether the term even exists in Japanese fandom, or whether western fans just
assumed that "shoujo-ai" would be the logical counterpart of "shounen-ai."
The term that Japanese fans often use to describe f/f pairings is "yuri," but
searching for "yuri" will usually bring up a slew of Dirty Pair or Wedding
Peach pages instead of f/f pics and fics.
Alex Taylor
> Alex Taylor wrote:
> >> [Little picture of a pig with spectacles reading
> >> an ecchi magazine]
> >
> >Is "ecchi" is what's written on the front&back covers?
>
> No, the words on the cover are "Run-Run," the name of the magazine that first
> published Sailor V.
Looks vaguely like '3h'...
Is 'ecchi' just written 'H', or can it be spelled phonetically?
AmyRex2
BTW I dont suppose you know where there be translations of this book, i can't
read any Japanese All I can do is look at the funny pictures.. being able to
unstand what is being said whould be nice too.
Amy
"Moon Fight."
>
>VERY funny doujinshi! ^________^
Things to do.1 cross stitch fairys. 2 Clean bedroom.3 Find Sailormoon support
group. 4 Convince roomate that Sylvan in not insane.5 Start knitting swawl 6
Call Mom. 7 Swim at YMCA 8 Smash the worlds shell. 9 Read Mists of Avalon.10
Still need haircut.
Gally in Gundam Deathscythe-HFIL
>cyborg...@aol.complicate (Momo Yumyum) wrote:
>
>> Alex Taylor wrote:
>> >> [Little picture of a pig with spectacles reading
>> >> an ecchi magazine]
>> >
>> >Is "ecchi" is what's written on the front&back covers?
>>
>> No, the words on the cover are "Run-Run," the name of the magazine
>> that first published Sailor V.
>
>Looks vaguely like '3h'...
The "3" is really "ru" and the "h" is really "n."
"RunRun," not "3h3h." ^^;;
>Is 'ecchi' just written 'H', or can it be spelled phonetically?
Either, I believe.
Eldrick Tobin, Master of Perversion
noe...@aol.completeme (Touga no Miko has no voice), let forth a
throaty,"Eureka!" they followed their Joyful Noise with:
>Geoffrey Winn wrote:
>
>>Zoe Tsukino wrote:
>>>
>>> Momo Yumyum wrote:
>>> >
>>> > For a couple Japanese guys, they're being a little
>>> > cuddlier than "just good friends."
>>>
>>> Johnny fans would hunt you down for a statement like that...
>>
>>Who's Johnny?
>
>Oh..I could *so* insert a bad 80's reference here....but no one would catch it
>;_;
So you'll just look the other way then? *hopes he's getting pieces of the lyrics
right.. considering he's turning a narrative bit into a question*
Eldrick Tobin
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JonLke
>> boyfriends cause they have Usagi,
There's quite a bit of this kind of banter in Sailor Stars(The love letter
scene, the sexy movie tickets scene), however, on the other hand, in the
original series, the idea is that as Senshi their duty to protect the princess
precludes romantic involvement. BTW, 'esprit de corps' does seem to have
homoerotic roots.
JonLke
Piccolo
u7LkJGKI3QJC@ifurita>:
>odn...@liamtoh.moc (Kishiji Bando) wrote:
>
>> [Little picture of a pig with spectacles reading
>> an ecchi magazine]
>
>Is "ecchi" is what's written on the front&back covers?
><snip>
Is it Oolong?
- Piccolo
Farix
<snip>
> Is it Oolong?
Just why did you reply to a thread that has been dead for over month?
Farix
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take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a
government grows, liberty decreases." -- Thomas Jefferson
Phant
> Piccolo wrote:
> <snip>
> > Is it Oolong?
>
> Just why did you reply to a thread that has been dead for over month?
>
Depending on your server, when you subscribe to a group you
haven't before, it will bring up headers as old as a month and a half
or more. It's my guess some of the new people are neglecting to
have their newsreader mark the old ones read, or are failing to
notice the dates on them.
Robert Hutchinson
>
> Piccolo wrote:
> <snip>
> > Is it Oolong?
>
> Just why did you reply to a thread that has been dead for over month?
May I point out that his habit of posting to month-old threads could well
mean he won't read the above for another month.
Robert Hutchinson
Sailor Naboo
We complain when people start the same threads over and over, perhaps
this person wanted to talk about this, but decided to look for a
relevant thread before starting a new one?
Or not...
Kyoko