Kick all the RINOs out of the GOP and all that's left is Sarah Palin and Orly Taitz
General Debacle
--
When asked, years afterward, why his charge at Gettysburg failed,
General Pickett said: "I've always thought the Yankees had something to
do with it."
Patriot Games
<general_debacle@The_Pentagon.mil> wrote:
>... and maybe David Duke
(This tired old tactic of yours is working sooooo well I can hardly
believe it! Is there ANYONE left on the whole fucking planet that
doesn't by now know you're a fag AND NEVER denied it???? Whooooowe!
You're a fucking GENIUS! I have an idea. Put MORE Newsgroups in the
Newsgroup Line just to make SURE everybody knows you're a fag AND
NEVER denied being a fag!)
That's your opinion.
Now let's see if there are any FACTS which can be used to evaluate the
value of your opinion:
From: Major Debacle <Major_Debacle@the_pentagon.mil>
From: TigerLuck <TigerLuck@the_wild_kingdom.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.127.137.150
Oops! YOU'RE A FRAUD! That's NOT a good start, Brownhole!
From: General Debacle <general_debacle@The_Pentagon.mil>
Message-ID: <news.eternal-september.org>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221)
From: Major Debacle <major_debacle@The_Pentagon.invalid>
Message-ID: <news.eternal-september.org>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221)
Oops! YOU'RE A FRAUD! That's NOT a good start, Brownhole!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/f08eb173c1dd8309?hl=en
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:44:00 -0800, Major Debacle
<major_debacle@The_Pentagon.invalid> wrote:
>Allahu Akbar!!
>...er, I mean "God is Great!!"
Oops! YOU'RE A Muslim! That's NOT a good start, Brownhole!
NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.127.137.150
68.127.137.150 = San Jose, CA
Oops! San Francisco Bay Area - The FAGGOT Capital of America!
EVERY SINGLE posting location of your is:
NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.125.48.118
68.125.48.118 = San Francisco, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.125.50.18
68.125.50.18 = Diablo, CA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.125.51.212
68.125.51.212 = San Mateo, CA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.126.148.128
68.126.148.128 = South San Francisco, CA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.127.107.69
68.127.107.69 = San Francisco, CA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.105.118.143
69.105.118.143 = Fremont, CA.
Oops! San Francisco Bay Area - The FAGGOT Capital of America!
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:05:33 -0700, Major Debacle
<Major_Debacle@the_pentagon.mil> wrote:
>In a very catty move, which we LOVE, Lewis and Moakler confirmed to
>Access Hollywood that the Miss California pageant paid for Carrie
>Prejean to get breast implants six weeks before the Miss USA competition.
>http://perezhilton.com/2009-04-29-jesus-loves-fake-titties
A FAGGOT quoting a FAGGOT Website! How precious!
Oops! But its NOT a good start, Choad Boy!
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:15:53 -0700, Tiger Cluck
<Tiger_Cluck@nature_preserve.afr> wrote:
>He's the white guy:
>http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Borni/newtricks.jpg
Oops! You posted a cartoon depicting YOU as a FAGGOT. That's REALLY
NOT a good start, Cock Boy. HOLD THE PRESSES! Maybe, just maybe that
was a mistake on your part.... Let's dig deeper...
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:35:04 -0700, Major Debacle
<Major_...@pentagon.mil> wrote:
>http://www.cuteboylinks.com/old-man-young-boy/teen-boy-older-men/old-man-pics/12-sexy-teen-twink-with-a-big-dick-having-gay-sex-video.jpg
Oops! Posting FAGGOT pics, visiting FAGGOT websites...
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:20:34 -0700, Major Debacle
<Major_...@pentagon.mil> wrote:
>http://www.oogleman.com/gay-exit/gay-leather.jpg
Oops! Posting FAGGOT pics, visiting FAGGOT websites...
Let's dig deeper...
On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:50:34 -0800, Major Debacle
<major_debacle@The_Pentagon.invalid> wrote:
>Buckwheat plan fer Patsy Ann Gaymes...
>http://apollogays.com/updates/2009-05-11_404/black-stripper-initiates-some-nice-gay-fuck_1.jpg
Oops! Posting MORE Faggot Pics!
On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:01:55 -0800, Major Debacle
<major_debacle@The_Pentagon.invalid> wrote:
>Hey Patsy... here's what Buckwheat has in store fer ya:
>http://www.rbblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/blackseducer_122107-2.jpg
Oops! Posting MORE Faggot Pics!
On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:40:49 -0800, Major Debacle
<major_debacle@The_Pentagon.invalid> wrote:
>Guess which one is Buckwheat:
>http://www.blackseducer.com/pics/14/19big.jpg
Oops! Posting MORE Faggot Pics!
On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:43:30 -0700, TigerLuck
<TigerLuck@wild_kingdom.com> wrote:
>MONTREAL � In an over-the-top accent, one half of a notorious Quebec
>comedy duo claims to be the president of France as he describes sex with
>his famous wife, the joy of killing animals and Hustler magazine.
>At the other end of the line? Me wacking off thinking of George Michael.
>I am so gay!
OH NO!!! You ARE a FAGGOT!!!
So. Let's summarize:
You're a Proven FRAUD.
You're a Muslim.
You're a CONFESSED Faggot.
That pretty much renders ANY opinion you may have on ANYTHING
completely WORTHLESS.
Bwahahahahahahaha!!
Now go fist-fuck yourself, CockLip.
GreyCloud
> ... and maybe David Duke
Let's hear it for Oily Tits!
--
Common sense is the collection of prejudices
aquired by age eighteen. - Albert Einstein
Obama-Biden in 2012
news:hfgqpj$9d0$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> ... and maybe David Duke
Scratch Oily Ditz from your list. She's not a Republican. She's not even
an American.
--
If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone
who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the
welfare of the people - their health, their housing, their schools, their
jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties - someone who believes
we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our
policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to
say I'm a "Liberal."
Patriot Games
<NoTh...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>"General Debacle" <general_debacle@The_Pentagon.mil> wrote in message
>news:hfgqpj$9d0$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> ... and maybe David Duke
>Scratch Oily Ditz from your list. She's not a Republican. She's not even
>an American.
Oops! Caught LYING...
Orlana Taitz... became a U.S. citizen in 1992.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orly_Taitz
Obama-Biden in 2012
news:qttqh55cu0n3oehft...@4ax.com...
Until she posts her citizenship papers on a web site, like Obama did his
birth certificate, and those papers have been confirmed as true and accurate
by the issuing authority, like Obama's posted birth certificate was, we can
only assume that she is an illegal alien. Should she not be held to at
least 1/10 the standard than she insists Obama must be held to?
Patriot Games
<NoTh...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
>news:qttqh55cu0n3oehft...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 01:17:02 -0700, "Obama-Biden in 2012"
>> <NoTh...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>>>"General Debacle" <general_debacle@The_Pentagon.mil> wrote in message
>>>news:hfgqpj$9d0$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> ... and maybe David Duke
>>>Scratch Oily Ditz from your list. She's not a Republican. She's not even
>>>an American.
>> Oops! Caught LYING...
>> Orlana Taitz... became a U.S. citizen in 1992.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orly_Taitz
>Until she posts her citizenship papers on a web site,
Are you claiming Wikipedia LIED?
>like Obama did his birth certificate,
Wrong. Buckwheat has NOT provided his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
YOU LIED.
Learn to like your lie.
It will follow you FOREVER.
John Q Public
> "Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
> news:qttqh55cu0n3oehft...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 01:17:02 -0700, "Obama-Biden in 2012"
>> <NoTh...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>>> "General Debacle" <general_debacle@The_Pentagon.mil> wrote in message
>>> news:hfgqpj$9d0$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> ... and maybe David Duke
>>> Scratch Oily Ditz from your list. She's not a Republican. She's not even
>>> an American.
>>
>> Oops! Caught LYING...
>>
>> Orlana Taitz... became a U.S. citizen in 1992.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orly_Taitz
>
> Until she posts her citizenship papers on a web site, like Obama did his
> birth certificate, and those papers have been confirmed as true and accurate
> by the issuing authority, like Obama's posted birth certificate was, we can
> only assume that she is an illegal alien. Should she not be held to at
> least 1/10 the standard than she insists Obama must be held to?
Is she running for president, does she have to be natural born citizen
(Hint-Nope)
O'bama's posted crap paper wasn't certified by anyone, why spend
millions getting
records sealed, whats he hiding?
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
cop welfare
> On 2009-12-07 17:37:56 -0500, "Obama-Biden in 2012" <NoTha...@NoSpam.com> said:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
"O'bama's posted crap paper wasn't certified by anyone, why spend
millions getting
records sealed, whats he hiding?
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM " - da troot squad
don't worry.
its getting to where nothing can be hidden for very long unless you
hire hackerz.
you see that.
it's better to elect porn stars, mental patients
or already convicted pols to govern from their prison cells like the
cartel bosses.
palin is a comer.
by 2012 every one will go ho-hum and pull 'er lever.
hahahahahahah
hahahahahahah
hahahahahahah
hahahahahahah
Obama-Biden in 2012
> On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:37:56 -0700, "Obama-Biden in 2012"
> <NoTh...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>>"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
>>news:qttqh55cu0n3oehft...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 01:17:02 -0700, "Obama-Biden in 2012"
>>> <NoTh...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>>>>"General Debacle" <general_debacle@The_Pentagon.mil> wrote in message
>>>>news:hfgqpj$9d0$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> ... and maybe David Duke
>>>>Scratch Oily Ditz from your list. She's not a Republican. She's not
>>>>even
>>>>an American.
>>> Oops! Caught LYING...
>>> Orlana Taitz... became a U.S. citizen in 1992.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orly_Taitz
>>Until she posts her citizenship papers on a web site,
>
> Are you claiming Wikipedia LIED?
LOL! Wikipedia is edited by whoever wants to edit it, idiot. Why, even YOU
could get an account and edit Wikipedia! See? You don't even have to be
able to read, write or spell!
>>like Obama did his birth certificate,
>
> Wrong. Buckwheat has NOT provided his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
Buckwheat died in 1980. Obama, on the other hand, posted a certified copy
of his Certificate of Live Birth . . . the only thing issued by the state of
Hawaii to those born there when they request a copy.
> YOU LIED.
>
> Learn to like your lie.
>
> It will follow you FOREVER.
The lie is by those who claim that Obama has not provided sufficient
evidence of his "natural born" status. You birther nuts just make up shit
as you go along all the time.
Obama-Biden in 2012
news:2009120719150442612-my2cents@mecom...
> On 2009-12-07 17:37:56 -0500, "Obama-Biden in 2012" <NoTh...@NoSpam.com>
> said:
>
>> "Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
>> news:qttqh55cu0n3oehft...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 01:17:02 -0700, "Obama-Biden in 2012"
>>> <NoTh...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>>>> "General Debacle" <general_debacle@The_Pentagon.mil> wrote in message
>>>> news:hfgqpj$9d0$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> ... and maybe David Duke
>>>> Scratch Oily Ditz from your list. She's not a Republican. She's not
>>>> even
>>>> an American.
>>>
>>> Oops! Caught LYING...
>>>
>>> Orlana Taitz... became a U.S. citizen in 1992.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orly_Taitz
>>
>> Until she posts her citizenship papers on a web site, like Obama did his
>> birth certificate, and those papers have been confirmed as true and
>> accurate
>> by the issuing authority, like Obama's posted birth certificate was, we
>> can
>> only assume that she is an illegal alien. Should she not be held to at
>> least 1/10 the standard than she insists Obama must be held to?
>
> Is she running for president, does she have to be natural born citizen
> (Hint-Nope)
The question wasn't about whether or not she's natural born. We already
KNOW that she was born in Russia. Where are her naturalization papers? Why
hasn't she posted them on the web to prove that she's not just another
illegal alien?
> O'bama's posted crap paper wasn't certified by anyone,
Except the director of the Hawaii State Department of Health . . . the
issuing authority and keeper of Hawaii's vital records.
> why spend millions getting
> records sealed, whats he hiding?
Records of births in Hawaii are sealed by default. Nobody has spent
millions getting them sealed. Of course, Obama hasn't made any effort to
get them UNsealed, since a picture of his valid and authenticated
Certificate of Live Birth, listing his birthplace as Honolulu, has been
available to anyone with web access for well over a year. There's no sense
in spending a dime to UNseal what's already been provided to the public and
has been verified by Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State
Department of Health as being consistent with the original on file.
"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health,
have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State
Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and
is a natural-born American citizen."
By the way, Dr. Fukino is a Republican, and was appointed by the state's
Republican governor, so don't waste your breath claiming that it's all a big
liberal/Democrat conspiracy. You guys really need to find a new shtick.
This one's all worn out.
Patriot Games
<NoTh...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
>news:bt5rh5l4u095i16c4...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:37:56 -0700, "Obama-Biden in 2012"
>> <NoTh...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>>>"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
>>>news:qttqh55cu0n3oehft...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 01:17:02 -0700, "Obama-Biden in 2012"
>>>> <NoTh...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>>>>>"General Debacle" <general_debacle@The_Pentagon.mil> wrote in message
>>>>>news:hfgqpj$9d0$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>> ... and maybe David Duke
>>>>>Scratch Oily Ditz from your list. She's not a Republican. She's not
>>>>>even
>>>>>an American.
>>>> Oops! Caught LYING...
>>>> Orlana Taitz... became a U.S. citizen in 1992.
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orly_Taitz
>>>Until she posts her citizenship papers on a web site,
>> Are you claiming Wikipedia LIED?
>LOL! Wikipedia is edited by whoever wants to edit it, idiot.
Prove it.
>>>like Obama did his birth certificate,
>> Wrong. Buckwheat has NOT provided his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
>Buckwheat died in 1980. Obama, on the other hand, posted a certified copy
>of his Certificate of Live Birth . . . the only thing issued by the state of
>Hawaii to those born there when they request a copy.
Wrong. Any Hawaiian can request a certified copy of their ORIGINAL
Birth Certificate. The "Certificate of Live Birth" is issued when one
DOES NOT request a certified copy of the ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
Buckwheat has NOT provided his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
>> YOU LIED.
>> Learn to like your lie.
>> It will follow you FOREVER.
>The lie is by those who claim that Obama has not provided sufficient
>evidence of his "natural born" status.
There is no such thing as "sufficient evidence." There is his
ORIGINAL Birth Certificate. Period. End of story.
Generalissimo Debacle
Obama-Biden in 2012
> On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:59:57 -0700, "Obama-Biden in 2012"
> <NoTh...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>>"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
>>news:bt5rh5l4u095i16c4...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:37:56 -0700, "Obama-Biden in 2012"
>>> <NoTh...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>>>>"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
>>>>news:qttqh55cu0n3oehft...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 01:17:02 -0700, "Obama-Biden in 2012"
>>>>> <NoTh...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>"General Debacle" <general_debacle@The_Pentagon.mil> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:hfgqpj$9d0$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>> ... and maybe David Duke
>>>>>>Scratch Oily Ditz from your list. She's not a Republican. She's not
>>>>>>even
>>>>>>an American.
>>>>> Oops! Caught LYING...
>>>>> Orlana Taitz... became a U.S. citizen in 1992.
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orly_Taitz
>>>>Until she posts her citizenship papers on a web site,
>>> Are you claiming Wikipedia LIED?
>>LOL! Wikipedia is edited by whoever wants to edit it, idiot.
>
> Prove it.
Here ya go, dummy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About
"Anyone with internet access can write and make changes to Wikipedia
articles. There are no requirements to provide one's real name when
contributing; rather, each writer's privacy is protected unless they choose
to reveal their identity themselves."
>>>>like Obama did his birth certificate,
>>> Wrong. Buckwheat has NOT provided his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
>>Buckwheat died in 1980. Obama, on the other hand, posted a certified copy
>>of his Certificate of Live Birth . . . the only thing issued by the state
>>of
>>Hawaii to those born there when they request a copy.
>
> Wrong. Any Hawaiian can request a certified copy of their ORIGINAL
> Birth Certificate. The "Certificate of Live Birth" is issued when one
> DOES NOT request a certified copy of the ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
Your turn. PROVE it. Prove that the Republican Director of the Hawaii
State Department of Health is a liar.
> Buckwheat has NOT provided his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
>
>>> YOU LIED.
>>> Learn to like your lie.
>>> It will follow you FOREVER.
>>The lie is by those who claim that Obama has not provided sufficient
>>evidence of his "natural born" status.
>
> There is no such thing as "sufficient evidence." There is his
> ORIGINAL Birth Certificate. Period. End of story.
For you, NOTHING would be "sufficient evidence". If he somehow persuaded
the Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health to make an exception
in policy, and actually obtained and presented a copy of the original, you'd
insist on the actual original, and not a copy. If he obtained the original
you'd claim it was a fake. NOTHING will ever satisfy you birthers, because
you choose to disbelieve that which has been proven, and continue to believe
every cockamamie fabrication that one of your own comes up with.
Fortunately for the nation what's considered to be "sufficient evidence"
isn't decided by you nut-balls. It's decided by the courts, and they've
already ruled that Obama HAS provided "sufficient evidence", so you
whack-jobs can go perform the anatomically impossible on yourselves.
Patriot Games
I knew you'd LIE.
You forgot this:
Wikipedia content criteria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About#Wikipedia_content_criteria
>>>>>like Obama did his birth certificate,
>>>> Wrong. Buckwheat has NOT provided his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
>>>Buckwheat died in 1980. Obama, on the other hand, posted a certified copy
>>>of his Certificate of Live Birth . . . the only thing issued by the state
>>>of
>>>Hawaii to those born there when they request a copy.
>> Wrong. Any Hawaiian can request a certified copy of their ORIGINAL
>> Birth Certificate. The "Certificate of Live Birth" is issued when one
>> DOES NOT request a certified copy of the ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
>Your turn. PROVE it. Prove that the Republican Director of the Hawaii
>State Department of Health is a liar.
I never said she was a liar.
Try to pay attention.
>> Buckwheat has NOT provided his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
>>>> YOU LIED.
>>>> Learn to like your lie.
>>>> It will follow you FOREVER.
>>>The lie is by those who claim that Obama has not provided sufficient
>>>evidence of his "natural born" status.
>> There is no such thing as "sufficient evidence." There is his
>> ORIGINAL Birth Certificate. Period. End of story.
>For you, NOTHING would be "sufficient evidence".
Try to pay attention.
What part of "There is his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate" confused you?
>If he somehow persuaded
>the Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health to make an exception
>in policy,
Its NOT an exception in policy, its STANDARD procedure.
>and actually obtained and presented a copy of the original, you'd
>insist on the actual original, and not a copy.
No, a certified copy would be 100% acceptable. Of course it would
need to acquired according the standard rules of evidence with a chain
of custody, etc.
>If he obtained the original you'd claim it was a fake.
Thanks for making a fool of yourself in public and saving me the time.
>It's decided by the courts, and they've
>already ruled that Obama HAS provided "sufficient evidence",
No, NOT ONE COURT has made such a ruling.
Obama-Biden in 2012
I didn't lie, and I didn't forget the content criteria. You apparently,
however, didn't carefully read the first line in the section you cited:
"Wikipedia content is intended to be factual, notable, verifiable with cited
external sources, and neutrally presented." The key word there is
"INTENDED". That's not to say that Wikipedia always IS "factual, notable,
verifiable with cited external sources and neutrally presented". Only that
it's INTENDED to be such. The fact remains that ANYONE can get an account
and post pure bullshit. An editor can then remove it if it doesn't meet the
content criteria, but they don't go through it post by post, looking for
things to take down.
>>>>>>like Obama did his birth certificate,
>>>>> Wrong. Buckwheat has NOT provided his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
>>>>Buckwheat died in 1980. Obama, on the other hand, posted a certified
>>>>copy
>>>>of his Certificate of Live Birth . . . the only thing issued by the
>>>>state
>>>>of
>>>>Hawaii to those born there when they request a copy.
>>> Wrong. Any Hawaiian can request a certified copy of their ORIGINAL
>>> Birth Certificate. The "Certificate of Live Birth" is issued when one
>>> DOES NOT request a certified copy of the ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
>>Your turn. PROVE it. Prove that the Republican Director of the Hawaii
>>State Department of Health is a liar.
>
> I never said she was a liar.
Sure you have. She has publicly stated that "the Health Department went
paperless in 2001. At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on)
was put into electronic files for consistent reporting . . . the electronic
record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in
order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most
requests," when a Hawaiian-born person requests a copy of their birth
certificate a search is made of the data in their database and the COLB
(exactly what Obama received) is issued. By saying that this is NOT what
Hawaiian-born individuals receive, you are calling her a liar.
> Try to pay attention.
You're the one not paying attention. When you make a claim that something
the exact OPPOSITE of what an official has said is true, then you are
calling the official a liar.
>>> Buckwheat has NOT provided his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
>>>>> YOU LIED.
>>>>> Learn to like your lie.
>>>>> It will follow you FOREVER.
>>>>The lie is by those who claim that Obama has not provided sufficient
>>>>evidence of his "natural born" status.
>>> There is no such thing as "sufficient evidence." There is his
>>> ORIGINAL Birth Certificate. Period. End of story.
>>For you, NOTHING would be "sufficient evidence".
>
> Try to pay attention.
>
> What part of "There is his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate" confused you?
As noted above, his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate was reduced to a collection
of 1s and 0s back in 2001, along with those of everybody born in Hawaii
since 1908. Please do try to keep up.
>>If he somehow persuaded
>>the Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health to make an exception
>>in policy,
>
> Its NOT an exception in policy, its STANDARD procedure.
Perhaps it's the standard policy where YOU live, but not in Hawaii. At
least not according to the Director of the Hawaii State Department of
Health. Or are you calling her a liar again?
>>and actually obtained and presented a copy of the original, you'd
>>insist on the actual original, and not a copy.
>
> No, a certified copy would be 100% acceptable. Of course it would
> need to acquired according the standard rules of evidence with a chain
> of custody, etc.
Oh, please! No other president in history has had the place and nature of
his birth so thoroughly examined. Why do you feel compelled to make such an
exception out of Obama? Because he's black, or because he's got a name that
seems funny to you? Or both? He's already presented MORE evidence of his
natural-born status than any of his predecessors, yet you want more. And
more. And more.
>>If he obtained the original you'd claim it was a fake.
>
> Thanks for making a fool of yourself in public and saving me the time.
You're the one making a fool of yourself, insisting on more than what is
accepted by any government agency in the country.
>>It's decided by the courts, and they've
>>already ruled that Obama HAS provided "sufficient evidence",
>
> No, NOT ONE COURT has made such a ruling.
Technically true. They've not had the opportunity to make such a ruling
because nobody has brought a case forward that's based on any real evidence.
But I would think that several cases having been thrown out as being
frivolous before a ruling on the actual question could be made counts about
the same. The fact remains that Obama has provided documentation that
satisfied the Department of State when it was still under Bush, and Congress
is satisfied. Any rational American that can read is satisfied. That
leaves the burden of PROOF on you birther nuts, and so far none of you has
been able to manufacture any "proof" that even gets to first base in a court
of law, so there's been no opportunity to rule on the CERTIFIED, VERIFIED
and VALID evidence of Hawaiian birth that Obama has provided.
Patriot Games
Learn to like your LIE.
>>>>>>>like Obama did his birth certificate,
>>>>>> Wrong. Buckwheat has NOT provided his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
>>>>>Buckwheat died in 1980. Obama, on the other hand, posted a certified
>>>>>copy
>>>>>of his Certificate of Live Birth . . . the only thing issued by the
>>>>>state
>>>>>of
>>>>>Hawaii to those born there when they request a copy.
>>>> Wrong. Any Hawaiian can request a certified copy of their ORIGINAL
>>>> Birth Certificate. The "Certificate of Live Birth" is issued when one
>>>> DOES NOT request a certified copy of the ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
>>>Your turn. PROVE it. Prove that the Republican Director of the Hawaii
>>>State Department of Health is a liar.
>> I never said she was a liar.
>Sure you have. She has publicly stated that "the Health Department went
>paperless in 2001. At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on)
>was put into electronic files for consistent reporting . . . the electronic
>record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in
>order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most
>requests," when a Hawaiian-born person requests a copy of their birth
>certificate a search is made of the data in their database and the COLB
>(exactly what Obama received) is issued. By saying that this is NOT what
>Hawaiian-born individuals receive, you are calling her a liar.
Wrong.
If you DO NOT ask for a certified copy of your ORIGINAL Birth
Certificate you get the Short Form.
If you DO ask for a certified copy of your ORIGINAL Birth Certificate
you get the Long Form.
>> Try to pay attention.
>>>> Buckwheat has NOT provided his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
>>>>>> YOU LIED.
>>>>>> Learn to like your lie.
>>>>>> It will follow you FOREVER.
>>>>>The lie is by those who claim that Obama has not provided sufficient
>>>>>evidence of his "natural born" status.
>>>> There is no such thing as "sufficient evidence." There is his
>>>> ORIGINAL Birth Certificate. Period. End of story.
>>>For you, NOTHING would be "sufficient evidence".
>> Try to pay attention.
>> What part of "There is his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate" confused you?
>As noted above, his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate was reduced to a collection
>of 1s and 0s back in 2001, along with those of everybody born in Hawaii
>since 1908. Please do try to keep up.
Wrong. Buckwheat's ORIGINAL Birth Certificate STILL EXISTS and is
STILL available to be copied.
>>>If he somehow persuaded
>>>the Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health to make an exception
>>>in policy,
>> Its NOT an exception in policy, its STANDARD procedure.
>Perhaps it's the standard policy where YOU live, but not in Hawaii. At
>least not according to the Director of the Hawaii State Department of
>Health. Or are you calling her a liar again?
See above.
>>>and actually obtained and presented a copy of the original, you'd
>>>insist on the actual original, and not a copy.
>> No, a certified copy would be 100% acceptable. Of course it would
>> need to acquired according the standard rules of evidence with a chain
>> of custody, etc.
>Oh, please! No other president in history has had the place and nature of
>his birth so thoroughly examined. Why do you feel compelled to make such an
>exception out of Obama?
Partly because there are many inconsistencies with his personal and
family history, partly because the process of automating Hawaii's
documents leaves room for error, BUT MOSTLY because Buckwheat
STONEWALLED even the Liberal Press when they asked for his Birth
Certificate AND THEN because he is fighting like mad trying to keep
his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate private.
He has something to hide. Nobody outside of his immediate family and
a handful of advisors know what it is. But it COULD BE a foreign
birth and since that COULD BE easily resolved WE MUST get it resolved.
>He's already presented MORE evidence of his
>natural-born status than any of his predecessors, yet you want more.
He has presented NO evidence of his alleged "natural born"
citizenship. The Short Form is ONLY proof of citizenship and is NOT
proof of "natural born" citizenship.
>>>If he obtained the original you'd claim it was a fake.
>> Thanks for making a fool of yourself in public and saving me the time.
>>>It's decided by the courts, and they've
>>>already ruled that Obama HAS provided "sufficient evidence",
>> No, NOT ONE COURT has made such a ruling.
>Technically true.
Thanks for admitting YOU LIED.
>They've not had the opportunity to make such a ruling
>because nobody has brought a case forward that's based on any real evidence.
Wrong. Every single case to date has been dismissed for OTHER THAN
evidentiary reasons.
>But I would think that several cases having been thrown out as being
>frivolous before a ruling on the actual question could be made counts about
>the same.
They don't.
>The fact remains that Obama has provided documentation that
>satisfied the Department of State
The Department of State does NOT require "natural born" citizenship to
get a passport. Why didn't you know that?
>and Congress is satisfied.
Nobody knows if Congress is satisfied or not because Congress can ONLY
express 'satisfaction' on the issue AFTER Articles of Impeachment are
brought to the House, which has not been done.
>That
>leaves the burden of PROOF on you birther nuts, and so far none of you has
>been able to manufacture any "proof" that even gets to first base in a court
>of law
Wrong. The burden of proof is on Buckwheat. In an ACTUAL court
proceeding ONLY THE MOST ORIGINAL documents would be allowed, and
because his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate EXISTS he would BE REQUIRED to
use THAT AND ONLY THAT to prove his "natural born" citizenship.
Wrong. Evidence is NOT why this matter has failed in court.
Obama-Biden in 2012
What part of the following do you NOT understand?
"They're just words," said spokeswoman Janice Okubo. "That (what was posted
on the Internet) is considered a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii.
There's only one form of birth certificate," she said, and it's been the
same since the 1980s. Birth certificates evolve over the decades, she said,
and there are no doubt differences between the way birth certificates looked
when Obama was born and now. "When you request a birth certificate, the one
you get looks exactly like the one posted on his site," she said. "That's
the birth certificate."
Hawaii does not HAVE a short-form/long-form system! They have only used ONE
form for decades! Why do you keep lying, insisting otherwise?
>>> Try to pay attention.
>>>>> Buckwheat has NOT provided his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
>>>>>>> YOU LIED.
>>>>>>> Learn to like your lie.
>>>>>>> It will follow you FOREVER.
>>>>>>The lie is by those who claim that Obama has not provided sufficient
>>>>>>evidence of his "natural born" status.
>>>>> There is no such thing as "sufficient evidence." There is his
>>>>> ORIGINAL Birth Certificate. Period. End of story.
>>>>For you, NOTHING would be "sufficient evidence".
>>> Try to pay attention.
>>> What part of "There is his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate" confused you?
>>As noted above, his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate was reduced to a collection
>>of 1s and 0s back in 2001, along with those of everybody born in Hawaii
>>since 1908. Please do try to keep up.
>
> Wrong. Buckwheat's ORIGINAL Birth Certificate STILL EXISTS and is
> STILL available to be copied.
Buckwheat died decades ago, and his original birth certificate is irrelevant
to this this discussion. Obama's, however, was reduced to 1s and 0s, nearly
a decade ago, according to the officials from Hawaii responsible for these
things. Now, go ahead and call them all liars again.
>>>>If he somehow persuaded
>>>>the Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health to make an
>>>>exception
>>>>in policy,
>>> Its NOT an exception in policy, its STANDARD procedure.
>>Perhaps it's the standard policy where YOU live, but not in Hawaii. At
>>least not according to the Director of the Hawaii State Department of
>>Health. Or are you calling her a liar again?
>
> See above.
So, yes . . . you ARE calling her a liar again.
>>>>and actually obtained and presented a copy of the original, you'd
>>>>insist on the actual original, and not a copy.
>>> No, a certified copy would be 100% acceptable. Of course it would
>>> need to acquired according the standard rules of evidence with a chain
>>> of custody, etc.
>>Oh, please! No other president in history has had the place and nature of
>>his birth so thoroughly examined. Why do you feel compelled to make such
>>an
>>exception out of Obama?
>
> Partly because there are many inconsistencies with his personal and
> family history,
Not true, unless you want to point to inconsistencies between documented
fact and the lies generated by the birthers.
> partly because the process of automating Hawaii's
> documents leaves room for error,
While it's true that changing systems can leave room for error, the
probability of an error is very small. And since the birth information that
you believe could be in error corresponds perfectly with newspaper birth
announcements and the stories of people who were living in Hawaii at the
time and knew the doctor (now deceased) who delivered Obama, the probability
of error drops to zero.
> BUT MOSTLY because Buckwheat
> STONEWALLED even the Liberal Press when they asked for his Birth
> Certificate
You call posting a copy on the Internet and then inviting people in to view
the actual document "stonewalling"? Better check your dictionary. You've
got the definition for that term all screwed up.
> AND THEN because he is fighting like mad trying to keep
> his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate private.
He hasn't been "fighting like mad". He's simply ignoring the lunatic
fringe. There's a difference.
> He has something to hide.
What makes you think that? All he's done is sit back and ignore the tempest
in a teapot that you birthers have created. That, and every once in a while
shake his head in dismay at your stupidity.
> Nobody outside of his immediate family and
> a handful of advisors know what it is. But it COULD BE a foreign
> birth and since that COULD BE easily resolved WE MUST get it resolved.
It's BEEN resolved. Long ago. He posted a copy of his birth certificate on
the Internet. It's been examined by experts and verified by them as being
authentic. The State of Hawaii has acknowledged that the information on the
certificate posted matches the information in their records, and that the
certificate posted on the Internet is EXACTLY what ANYBODY born in Hawaii
would receive upon request of a copy of their birth certificate. They have
also confirmed that the signature and seal on the posted certificate are the
appropriate signature and seal, and that the certificate does not appear to
have been altered in any way. You're demanding that Obama produce something
that is not issued by the state. That's not going to happen.
>>He's already presented MORE evidence of his
>>natural-born status than any of his predecessors, yet you want more.
>
> He has presented NO evidence of his alleged "natural born"
> citizenship. The Short Form is ONLY proof of citizenship and is NOT
> proof of "natural born" citizenship.
The ONLY form (which you refer to as the "Short Form") proves he was born in
Honolulu. That satifies the requirement for "natural born".
>>>>If he obtained the original you'd claim it was a fake.
>>> Thanks for making a fool of yourself in public and saving me the time.
>>>>It's decided by the courts, and they've
>>>>already ruled that Obama HAS provided "sufficient evidence",
>>> No, NOT ONE COURT has made such a ruling.
>>Technically true.
>
> Thanks for admitting YOU LIED.
Not a lie. The courts HAVE ruled. Just not on the actual certificate.
They've ruled that the idiots who still disbelieve are crackpots and that
their suits are frivolous. That's sufficient.
>>They've not had the opportunity to make such a ruling
>>because nobody has brought a case forward that's based on any real
>>evidence.
>
> Wrong. Every single case to date has been dismissed for OTHER THAN
> evidentiary reasons.
Wrong. Most of the cases have been dismissed because our legal system
requires that those bringing suit provide some proof of their claims that
would form the basis for their suit. For example:
"Finally, in a remarkable shifting of the traditional legal burden of proof,
Plaintiff unashamedly alleges that Defendant has the burden to prove his
'natural born' status. Thus, Plaintiff's counsel, who champions herself as a
defender of liberty and freedom, seeks to use the power of the judiciary to
compel a citizen, albeit the President of the United States, to 'prove his
innocence' to 'charges' that are based upon conjecture and speculation. Any
middle school civics student would readily recognize the irony of abandoning
fundamental principles upon which our Country was founded in order to
purportedly 'protect and preserve' those very principles."
>>But I would think that several cases having been thrown out as being
>>frivolous before a ruling on the actual question could be made counts
>>about
>>the same.
>
> They don't.
So you nut-jobs can keep filing your suits with no evidence to back up your
claims, keep getting your frivolous cases thrown out, and keep paying fines
for contempt of court until you run out of money. That's fine. Our court
system can certainly use the money.
>>The fact remains that Obama has provided documentation that
>>satisfied the Department of State
>
> The Department of State does NOT require "natural born" citizenship to
> get a passport. Why didn't you know that?
But they DO require that you produce your birth certificate, and they
accepted Obama's without question because it's 100% valid.
>>and Congress is satisfied.
>
> Nobody knows if Congress is satisfied or not because Congress can ONLY
> express 'satisfaction' on the issue AFTER Articles of Impeachment are
> brought to the House, which has not been done.
Wrong. They accepted the vote of the electoral college, which they are
duty-bound to NOT do if they believed he was ineligible. Later they passed
a resolution (you obviously weren't paying attention, but McCain, among all
the others, supported) verifying their belief that Obama was a natural-born
citizen.
>>That
>>leaves the burden of PROOF on you birther nuts, and so far none of you has
>>been able to manufacture any "proof" that even gets to first base in a
>>court
>>of law
>
> Wrong. The burden of proof is on Buckwheat.
Wrong. In claiming that he is not natural-born you are accusing Obama of a
crime. The burden of proof, as beautifully enunciated in the judge's ruling
above, is on the accuser . . . NOT the defendant.
> In an ACTUAL court
> proceeding ONLY THE MOST ORIGINAL documents would be allowed, and
> because his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate EXISTS
The State of Hawaii has repeatedly explained that the ORIGINAL birth
certificate is now 1s and 0s in a computerized database.
> he would BE REQUIRED to
> use THAT AND ONLY THAT to prove his "natural born" citizenship.
>
> Wrong. Evidence is NOT why this matter has failed in court.
LACK of evidence being presented by the accusers is EXACTLY why the last
several cases have failed. Learn your law before you try to pass the Bar
Exam in your state.
Patriot Games
Correct. But you weren't paying attention. Or, perhaps you still
still think you can play word games...
If you DO NOT ask for a certified copy of your ORIGINAL Birth
Certificate you get the Short Form.
If you DO ask for a certified copy of your ORIGINAL Birth Certificate
you get the Long Form.
> They have only used ONE form for decades!
Yes, since automating.
>Why do you keep lying, insisting otherwise?
Nobody is falling for your word games...
>>>>>and actually obtained and presented a copy of the original, you'd
>>>>>insist on the actual original, and not a copy.
>>>> No, a certified copy would be 100% acceptable. Of course it would
>>>> need to acquired according the standard rules of evidence with a chain
>>>> of custody, etc.
>>>Oh, please! No other president in history has had the place and nature of
>>>his birth so thoroughly examined. Why do you feel compelled to make such
>>>an
>>>exception out of Obama?
>> Partly because there are many inconsistencies with his personal and
>> family history,
>> partly because the process of automating Hawaii's
>> documents leaves room for error,
>> BUT MOSTLY because Buckwheat
>> STONEWALLED even the Liberal Press when they asked for his Birth
>> Certificate
>You call posting a copy on the Internet and then inviting people in to view
>the actual document "stonewalling"? Better check your dictionary.
Yes, because it took SIX MONTHS to do that.
>> AND THEN because he is fighting like mad trying to keep
>> his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate private.
>He hasn't been "fighting like mad". He's simply ignoring the lunatic
>fringe. There's a difference.
Wrong. He has spent plenty of money retaining several groups of
lawyers to fight each and every court attempt to get a certified copy
of his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate released to the public.
>> He has something to hide.
>What makes you think that?
Because he has spent plenty of money retaining several groups of
lawyers to fight each and every court attempt to get a certified copy
of his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate released to the public.
>All he's done is sit back and ignore the tempest
>in a teapot that you birthers have created.
Wrong. See above.
>> Nobody outside of his immediate family and
>> a handful of advisors know what it is. But it COULD BE a foreign
>> birth and since that COULD BE easily resolved WE MUST get it resolved.
>It's BEEN resolved. Long ago. He posted a copy of his birth certificate on
>the Internet.
It won't be resolved until he provides a certified copy of his
ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
>You're demanding that Obama produce something
>that is not issued by the state. That's not going to happen.
We'll see...
>>>He's already presented MORE evidence of his
>>>natural-born status than any of his predecessors, yet you want more.
>> He has presented NO evidence of his alleged "natural born"
>> citizenship. The Short Form is ONLY proof of citizenship and is NOT
>> proof of "natural born" citizenship.
>The ONLY form (which you refer to as the "Short Form") proves he was born in
>Honolulu. That satifies the requirement for "natural born".
Wrong. See above.
>>>>>If he obtained the original you'd claim it was a fake.
>>>> Thanks for making a fool of yourself in public and saving me the time.
>>>>>It's decided by the courts, and they've
>>>>>already ruled that Obama HAS provided "sufficient evidence",
>>>> No, NOT ONE COURT has made such a ruling.
>>>Technically true.
>> Thanks for admitting YOU LIED.
>Not a lie. The courts HAVE ruled. Just not on the actual certificate.
You said: "It's decided by the courts, and they've already ruled that
Obama HAS provided "sufficient evidence."
You lied.
You admitted you lied.
>>>They've not had the opportunity to make such a ruling
>>>because nobody has brought a case forward that's based on any real
>>>evidence.
>> Wrong. Every single case to date has been dismissed for OTHER THAN
>> evidentiary reasons.
>Wrong. Most of the cases have been dismissed because our legal system
>requires that those bringing suit provide some proof of their claims that
>would form the basis for their suit. For example:
>"Finally, in a remarkable shifting of the traditional legal burden of proof,
>Plaintiff unashamedly alleges that Defendant has the burden to prove his
>'natural born' status. Thus, Plaintiff's counsel, who champions herself as a
>defender of liberty and freedom, seeks to use the power of the judiciary to
>compel a citizen, albeit the President of the United States, to 'prove his
>innocence' to 'charges' that are based upon conjecture and speculation. Any
>middle school civics student would readily recognize the irony of abandoning
>fundamental principles upon which our Country was founded in order to
>purportedly 'protect and preserve' those very principles."
hahahahaha!! Wrong case for your example. The Plaintiff was NOT
suing to get Buckwheat's ORIGINAL Birth Certidicate.
>>>But I would think that several cases having been thrown out as being
>>>frivolous before a ruling on the actual question could be made counts
>>>about
>>>the same.
>> They don't.
>>>The fact remains that Obama has provided documentation that
>>>satisfied the Department of State
>> The Department of State does NOT require "natural born" citizenship to
>> get a passport. Why didn't you know that?
>But they DO require that you produce your birth certificate, and they
>accepted Obama's without question because it's 100% valid.
For proving US Citizenship is IS 100% valid.
For proving "natural born" US Citizenship is IS 100% INvalid.
>>>and Congress is satisfied.
>> Nobody knows if Congress is satisfied or not because Congress can ONLY
>> express 'satisfaction' on the issue AFTER Articles of Impeachment are
>> brought to the House, which has not been done.
>Wrong. They accepted the vote of the electoral college, which they are
>duty-bound to NOT do if they believed he was ineligible.
Wrong. They are duty-bound to NOT accept the EC results ONLY IF one
member from each party submits a complaint. That didn't happen so they
rubber-stamped the EC vote.
>Later they passed
>a resolution (you obviously weren't paying attention, but McCain, among all
>the others, supported) verifying their belief that Obama was a natural-born
>citizen.
They passed, with NO debate, and by voice vote ONLY, a NON-BINDING
Resolution that has ZERO legal standing in ANY court.
>>>That
>>>leaves the burden of PROOF on you birther nuts, and so far none of you has
>>>been able to manufacture any "proof" that even gets to first base in a
>>>court
>>>of law
>> Wrong. The burden of proof is on Buckwheat.
>Wrong. In claiming that he is not natural-born you are accusing Obama of a
>crime.
Yes, whether he committed the crime along with conspiracy to defraud
or whether he didn't even know he was committing a crime until last
year.
>The burden of proof, as beautifully enunciated in the judge's ruling
>above, is on the accuser . . . NOT the defendant.
The Judge's ruling above is an exception because the Plaintiff wasn't
suing to get Buckwheat's ORIGINAL Birth Certificate BUT RATHER suing
for SOMETHING ELSE and using Buckwheat's lack of proof of non-natural
birth as a REASON.
>> In an ACTUAL court
>> proceeding ONLY THE MOST ORIGINAL documents would be allowed, and
>> because his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate EXISTS
>The State of Hawaii has repeatedly explained that the ORIGINAL birth
>certificate is now 1s and 0s in a computerized database.
No, they have NEVER stated that.
In fact they have stated that his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate DOES
EXIST and is in their possession.
Obama-Biden in 2012
It's obvious that YOU'RE the one not paying attention. I'll repeat the
quote from the person in charge of this matter in the State of Hawaii:
"When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like
the one posted on his site."
If you request a copy of your birth certificate from Hawaii, REGARDLESS of
what you specifically request, the ONLY thing they issue is "EXACTLY like
the one posted on his site." There IS no "long form" issued by Hawaii.
Period.
>> They have only used ONE form for decades!
>
> Yes, since automating.
Yes, and Obama requested that copy of his birth certificate since
automating, so THAT is what they'll issue, and the ONLY thing they'll issue.
>>Why do you keep lying, insisting otherwise?
>
> Nobody is falling for your word games...
I'm not the one playing word games. I'm also not the one insisting that
reality in Hawaii is anything other than what the state's official have
repeatedly SAID it is.
Not according to the responsible REPUBLICAN officials in Hawaii.
LOL! Six months from when? It's been posted since only a few weeks after
he officially announced his candidacy. People were invited to inspect it
within days of anyone questioning its veracity. That's not stonewalling.
That's bending over backwards to put an end to the questions. The problem
is that when it comes to conspiracy theorists and other tin-foil hat
wearers, there's NEVER an end to idiots asking questions that've already
been answered.
>>> AND THEN because he is fighting like mad trying to keep
>>> his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate private.
>>He hasn't been "fighting like mad". He's simply ignoring the lunatic
>>fringe. There's a difference.
>
> Wrong. He has spent plenty of money retaining several groups of
> lawyers to fight each and every court attempt to get a certified copy
> of his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate released to the public.
Wrong. He's spent a little bit of money on a few lawyers who simply walk
into court and request that the frivolous lawsuits be dismissed. In most
cases it takes nothing more than a wet-behind-the-ears law clerk filing a
form, because the burden is on the plaintiffs to provide some proof that
their case has merit, and none are able to do that because there IS no such
proof.
>>> He has something to hide.
>>What makes you think that?
>
> Because he has spent plenty of money retaining several groups of
> lawyers to fight each and every court attempt to get a certified copy
> of his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate released to the public.
Wrong. He's spent a little bit of money on a few lawyers who simply walk
into court and request that the frivolous lawsuits be dismissed. In most
cases it takes nothing more than a wet-behind-the-ears law clerk filing a
form, because the burden is on the plaintiffs to provide some proof that
their case has merit, and none are able to do that because there IS no such
proof.
>>All he's done is sit back and ignore the tempest
>>in a teapot that you birthers have created.
>
> Wrong. See above.
See above, yourself.
>>> Nobody outside of his immediate family and
>>> a handful of advisors know what it is. But it COULD BE a foreign
>>> birth and since that COULD BE easily resolved WE MUST get it resolved.
>>It's BEEN resolved. Long ago. He posted a copy of his birth certificate
>>on
>>the Internet.
>
> It won't be resolved until he provides a certified copy of his
> ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
Something that has not existed since they went digital. So, it can NEVER be
resolved in you mind.
>>You're demanding that Obama produce something
>>that is not issued by the state. That's not going to happen.
>
> We'll see...
We've ALREADY seen.
>>>>He's already presented MORE evidence of his
>>>>natural-born status than any of his predecessors, yet you want more.
>>> He has presented NO evidence of his alleged "natural born"
>>> citizenship. The Short Form is ONLY proof of citizenship and is NOT
>>> proof of "natural born" citizenship.
>>The ONLY form (which you refer to as the "Short Form") proves he was born
>>in
>>Honolulu. That satifies the requirement for "natural born".
>
> Wrong. See above.
Yes. Please DO see the reality check above.
>>>>>>If he obtained the original you'd claim it was a fake.
>>>>> Thanks for making a fool of yourself in public and saving me the time.
>>>>>>It's decided by the courts, and they've
>>>>>>already ruled that Obama HAS provided "sufficient evidence",
>>>>> No, NOT ONE COURT has made such a ruling.
>>>>Technically true.
>>> Thanks for admitting YOU LIED.
>>Not a lie. The courts HAVE ruled. Just not on the actual certificate.
>
> You said: "It's decided by the courts, and they've already ruled that
> Obama HAS provided "sufficient evidence."
>
> You lied.
>
> You admitted you lied.
No, he HAS provided sufficient evidence. Since the burden of proof is on
the plaintiffs, the level of evidence that the court requires is zero . . .
zip . . . zilch . . . nada. He's provided FAR more than that just by
posting a copy of the only birth certificate issued by his native state on
the internet.
>>>>They've not had the opportunity to make such a ruling
>>>>because nobody has brought a case forward that's based on any real
>>>>evidence.
>>> Wrong. Every single case to date has been dismissed for OTHER THAN
>>> evidentiary reasons.
>>Wrong. Most of the cases have been dismissed because our legal system
>>requires that those bringing suit provide some proof of their claims that
>>would form the basis for their suit. For example:
>>"Finally, in a remarkable shifting of the traditional legal burden of
>>proof,
>>Plaintiff unashamedly alleges that Defendant has the burden to prove his
>>'natural born' status. Thus, Plaintiff's counsel, who champions herself as
>>a
>>defender of liberty and freedom, seeks to use the power of the judiciary
>>to
>>compel a citizen, albeit the President of the United States, to 'prove his
>>innocence' to 'charges' that are based upon conjecture and speculation.
>>Any
>>middle school civics student would readily recognize the irony of
>>abandoning
>>fundamental principles upon which our Country was founded in order to
>>purportedly 'protect and preserve' those very principles."
>
> hahahahaha!! Wrong case for your example. The Plaintiff was NOT
> suing to get Buckwheat's ORIGINAL Birth Certidicate.
Oily Ditz's case in question challenged Obama's legitimacy as President.
She wanted the judge to force Obama to provide proof that he was
natural-born. He laughed her out of the courtroom, and ultimately fined her
as well.
>>>>But I would think that several cases having been thrown out as being
>>>>frivolous before a ruling on the actual question could be made counts
>>>>about
>>>>the same.
>>> They don't.
>>>>The fact remains that Obama has provided documentation that
>>>>satisfied the Department of State
>>> The Department of State does NOT require "natural born" citizenship to
>>> get a passport. Why didn't you know that?
>>But they DO require that you produce your birth certificate, and they
>>accepted Obama's without question because it's 100% valid.
>
> For proving US Citizenship is IS 100% valid.
>
> For proving "natural born" US Citizenship is IS 100% INvalid.
Good lord, you're dense! They had the damned thing on file during the
campaign! Don't you think the Bush Administration would've SAID something
if anything about it invalidated Obama's natural-born status? I mean, this
is the same administration that leaked the identity of a covert CIA agent to
the press. You can be DAMNED sure they would've leaked Obama's
ineligibility to the McCain campaign if any existed.
>>>>and Congress is satisfied.
>>> Nobody knows if Congress is satisfied or not because Congress can ONLY
>>> express 'satisfaction' on the issue AFTER Articles of Impeachment are
>>> brought to the House, which has not been done.
>>Wrong. They accepted the vote of the electoral college, which they are
>>duty-bound to NOT do if they believed he was ineligible.
>
> Wrong. They are duty-bound to NOT accept the EC results ONLY IF one
> member from each party submits a complaint. That didn't happen so they
> rubber-stamped the EC vote.
Actually, it's not from "each party". Parties didn't exist when the
Electoral College system was put into place. If ANY member of Congress has
a question they can raise a challenge. Nobody did, because they're all
smarter than you and the rest of your birther cabal.
>>Later they passed
>>a resolution (you obviously weren't paying attention, but McCain, among
>>all
>>the others, supported) verifying their belief that Obama was a
>>natural-born
>>citizen.
>
> They passed, with NO debate, and by voice vote ONLY, a NON-BINDING
> Resolution that has ZERO legal standing in ANY court.
No legal standing, but an affirmation that they believe him to be eligible.
Live with it.
>>>>That
>>>>leaves the burden of PROOF on you birther nuts, and so far none of you
>>>>has
>>>>been able to manufacture any "proof" that even gets to first base in a
>>>>court
>>>>of law
>>> Wrong. The burden of proof is on Buckwheat.
>>Wrong. In claiming that he is not natural-born you are accusing Obama of
>>a
>>crime.
>
> Yes, whether he committed the crime along with conspiracy to defraud
> or whether he didn't even know he was committing a crime until last
> year.
>
>>The burden of proof, as beautifully enunciated in the judge's ruling
>>above, is on the accuser . . . NOT the defendant.
>
> The Judge's ruling above is an exception because the Plaintiff wasn't
> suing to get Buckwheat's ORIGINAL Birth Certificate BUT RATHER suing
> for SOMETHING ELSE and using Buckwheat's lack of proof of non-natural
> birth as a REASON.
Her suit demanded that she be allowed to personally examine evidence that
Obama's not legally required to produce.
>>> In an ACTUAL court
>>> proceeding ONLY THE MOST ORIGINAL documents would be allowed, and
>>> because his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate EXISTS
>>The State of Hawaii has repeatedly explained that the ORIGINAL birth
>>certificate is now 1s and 0s in a computerized database.
>
> No, they have NEVER stated that.
>
> In fact they have stated that his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate DOES
> EXIST and is in their possession.
Try learning to read. "I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State
Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on
file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama
was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing
further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October
2008 over eight months ago...."
"Original vital records" does NOT necessarily mean the original birth
certificate. They have said that the original paper does exist somewhere,
but did not elaborate on where fragile old pieces of paper might be stored.
They may not even know for sure what warehouse they're in. But they've
examined the data that was pulled from that old piece of paper, and have
confirmed that Obama was born in Honolulu. For you to insist on more
confirmation, in the complete absence of evidence that he could possibly
have been born elsewhere, is ridiculous. But then again, we already KNOW
that you're ridiculous.
Now, my question for you: Since all of you birther nuts insist on the State
of Hawaii going to the expense of going through mountains of old paper
(presumably with antistatic gloves to avoid damaging any documents) stored
in all likelihood in multiple warehouses to find one lousy piece of paper
whose contents have already been confirmed, why don't all 1,000 of you offer
to chip in $1,000 each to cover the million-dollar expense that would likely
be incurred to perform the search? Are you lunatics willing to put your
money where your mouths are? Of COURSE not! You'd want Obama to pay all
the expenses, wouldn't you?
Patriot Games
Wrong.
>There IS no "long form" issued by Hawaii.
True, yet completely irrelevant.
>>> They have only used ONE form for decades!
>> Yes, since automating.
>Yes, and Obama requested that copy of his birth certificate since
>automating, so THAT is what they'll issue, and the ONLY thing they'll issue.
Wrong. If he requests a certified copy of his ORIGINAL Birth
Certificate he'll get a certified copy of his ORIGINAL Birth
Certificate.
>>>Why do you keep lying, insisting otherwise?
>> Nobody is falling for your word games...
>I'm not the one playing word games.
Then you must be a retard.
Oops! Caught LYING, again...
"Hawai'i's Health Department confirmed yesterday that it has President
Obama's original Aug. 4, 1961, birth certificate in storage."
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2009/Jul/28/ln/hawaii907280345.html
Oops! Caught LYING, again...
"Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate is a document PolitiFact.com
had sought for months."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
>>>> AND THEN because he is fighting like mad trying to keep
>>>> his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate private.
>>>He hasn't been "fighting like mad". He's simply ignoring the lunatic
>>>fringe. There's a difference.
>> Wrong. He has spent plenty of money retaining several groups of
>> lawyers to fight each and every court attempt to get a certified copy
>> of his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate released to the public.
>Wrong. He's spent a little bit of money on a few lawyers who simply walk
>into court and request that the frivolous lawsuits be dismissed.
Oops! Caught LYING, again...
April 29, 2009
Obama campaign has paid $1,066,691.90 to fight eligibility lawsuits
http://tweetalink.com/go/oEZA
>>>> Nobody outside of his immediate family and
>>>> a handful of advisors know what it is. But it COULD BE a foreign
>>>> birth and since that COULD BE easily resolved WE MUST get it resolved.
>>>It's BEEN resolved. Long ago. He posted a copy of his birth certificate
>>>on
>>>the Internet.
>> It won't be resolved until he provides a certified copy of his
>> ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
>Something that has not existed since they went digital.
Oops! Caught LYING, again...
"Hawai'i's Health Department confirmed yesterday that it has President
Obama's original Aug. 4, 1961, birth certificate in storage."
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2009/Jul/28/ln/hawaii907280345.html
>>>You're demanding that Obama produce something
>>>that is not issued by the state. That's not going to happen.
>> We'll see...
>We've ALREADY seen.
Oops! Caught LYING, again...
"Hawai'i's Health Department confirmed yesterday that it has President
Obama's original Aug. 4, 1961, birth certificate in storage."
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2009/Jul/28/ln/hawaii907280345.html
>>>>>>>If he obtained the original you'd claim it was a fake.
>>>>>> Thanks for making a fool of yourself in public and saving me the time.
>>>>>>>It's decided by the courts, and they've
>>>>>>>already ruled that Obama HAS provided "sufficient evidence",
>>>>>> No, NOT ONE COURT has made such a ruling.
>>>>>Technically true.
>>>> Thanks for admitting YOU LIED.
>>>Not a lie. The courts HAVE ruled. Just not on the actual certificate.
>> You said: "It's decided by the courts, and they've already ruled that
>> Obama HAS provided "sufficient evidence."
>> You lied.
>> You admitted you lied.
>No...
Learn to like your lies.
They will never go away.
>> They passed, with NO debate, and by voice vote ONLY, a NON-BINDING
>> Resolution that has ZERO legal standing in ANY court.
>No legal standing, but an affirmation that they believe him to be eligible.
Means nothing.
>Live with it.
Live with your lies.
They will follow you forever.
>Now, my question for you...
YOU have been CAUGHT LYING repeatedly.
YOU have WAIVED the PRIVILEGE of asking me questions because YOU have
been CAUGHT LYING repeatedly.
Learn to like your lies.
They will never go away.
Obama-Biden in 2012
So, you're calling the state officials from Hawaii liars again, since I
quoted them directly and you claim it's "wrong".
>>There IS no "long form" issued by Hawaii.
>
> True, yet completely irrelevant.
Hardly "irrelevant", since you insist that "if you DO ask for a certified
copy of your ORIGINAL Birth Certificate you get the Long Form" (quoting your
exact words, liar).
>>>> They have only used ONE form for decades!
>>> Yes, since automating.
>>Yes, and Obama requested that copy of his birth certificate since
>>automating, so THAT is what they'll issue, and the ONLY thing they'll
>>issue.
>
> Wrong. If he requests a certified copy of his ORIGINAL Birth
> Certificate he'll get a certified copy of his ORIGINAL Birth
> Certificate.
Not according to the responsible officials in the state of Hawaii. Their
words again: "When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks
exactly like the one posted on his site."
>>>>Why do you keep lying, insisting otherwise?
>>> Nobody is falling for your word games...
>>I'm not the one playing word games.
>
> Then you must be a retard.
So says the man who first insisted that Obama needed to produce a "Long
Form", and ultimately conceded that Hawaii has no such thing, and who
repeatedly makes claims that are 100% the opposite of what Hawaiian
officials say is their policy, but then claims he's not calling them liars.
Yes, and they've also said they're not sure exactly WHERE. They have
millions of documents that have been put into their databases. The paper is
stored somewhere, presumably in a warehouse. They have not offered to go to
the considerable time and expense to go find it, since they've ALREADY
confirmed its contents.
Obama announced his INTENTION to become a candidate in Springfield, Illinois
in February 2007, but didn't officially announce his candidacy until he
filed for the early 2008 caucuses and primaries in November of 2007. The
copyright information on the web page containing the birth certificate
indicates it was there in 2007 (<meta name="copyright" content="Copyright
(c) 2007 Barack Obama. All rights reserved." />), although the page may not
have had links to it. It may have taken your St. Petersburg newspaper six
months to find it, but it was there, just waiting to be found.
>>>>> AND THEN because he is fighting like mad trying to keep
>>>>> his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate private.
>>>>He hasn't been "fighting like mad". He's simply ignoring the lunatic
>>>>fringe. There's a difference.
>>> Wrong. He has spent plenty of money retaining several groups of
>>> lawyers to fight each and every court attempt to get a certified copy
>>> of his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate released to the public.
>>Wrong. He's spent a little bit of money on a few lawyers who simply walk
>>into court and request that the frivolous lawsuits be dismissed.
>
> Oops! Caught LYING, again...
>
> April 29, 2009
> Obama campaign has paid $1,066,691.90 to fight eligibility lawsuits
> http://tweetalink.com/go/oEZA
Your conservative friends at the "Sonoran News" (very loose use of the term
"news" there) are playing a little bit fast and loose with the facts. Their
statement that "according to campaign finance reports, his Political Action
Committee Obama for America has paid $1,066,691.90 to the Perkins Coie law
firm between Oct. 16, 2008 and March 30, 2009 to fight every legal challenge
requesting proof of his constitutional eligibility to hold the office of
President of the United States" is a bit of a stretch. The reality is that
the campaign finance reports indicate that the PAC has paid the law firm
that amount, over that period of time, for UNSPECIFIED legal expenses.
Robert Bauer of Perkins Coie has, indeed, been involved in countersuing some
of the individuals who have brought frivolous suits agains the president,
but to assume that fighting eligibility lawsuits is the ONLY thing that
Perkins Coie has been doing is ridiculous. The PAC Obama for America is a
large organization, with significant legal expenses. Until you can get
Perkins Coie to break client/attorney privilege and tell you how much of
their total legal fees were for each specific legal function the firm has
performed, all we can do is guess at how much was spent for what. And my
guess is that your assumption that every penny went to fighting a few
frivolous lawsuits is asinine.
>>>>> Nobody outside of his immediate family and
>>>>> a handful of advisors know what it is. But it COULD BE a foreign
>>>>> birth and since that COULD BE easily resolved WE MUST get it resolved.
>>>>It's BEEN resolved. Long ago. He posted a copy of his birth
>>>>certificate
>>>>on
>>>>the Internet.
>>> It won't be resolved until he provides a certified copy of his
>>> ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
>>Something that has not existed since they went digital.
>
> Oops! Caught LYING, again...
No lie. There is, somewhere, in a box in a dusty warehouse, the original.
Perhaps they could find it if they devoted all their manpower to looking for
it. There is not, however, any such thing as a CERTIFIED COPY of that
original, and there's certainly not such a copy in Obama's posession. So,
no lie, dumbo.
> "Hawai'i's Health Department confirmed yesterday that it has President
> Obama's original Aug. 4, 1961, birth certificate in storage."
> http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2009/Jul/28/ln/hawaii907280345.html
>
>>>>You're demanding that Obama produce something
>>>>that is not issued by the state. That's not going to happen.
>>> We'll see...
>>We've ALREADY seen.
>
> Oops! Caught LYING, again...
>
> "Hawai'i's Health Department confirmed yesterday that it has President
> Obama's original Aug. 4, 1961, birth certificate in storage."
> http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2009/Jul/28/ln/hawaii907280345.html
What lie? I said it before, and I'll say it again. "When you request a
birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his
site." And, from your very OWN cite, above: "Hawaii's disclosure law
(Hawaii Revised Statutes 338-18) states that 'it shall be unlawful for any
person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in
vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part on any
such record ... '". So, you're not only calling the Hawaiian officials
liars . . . you're also insisting that they break the law to prove something
that they say has already been proven and verified by Dr. Chiyome Fukino,
director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, that she has "seen the
original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of
Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a
natural-born American citizen,"
>>>>>>>>If he obtained the original you'd claim it was a fake.
>>>>>>> Thanks for making a fool of yourself in public and saving me the
>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>It's decided by the courts, and they've
>>>>>>>>already ruled that Obama HAS provided "sufficient evidence",
>>>>>>> No, NOT ONE COURT has made such a ruling.
>>>>>>Technically true.
>>>>> Thanks for admitting YOU LIED.
>>>>Not a lie. The courts HAVE ruled. Just not on the actual certificate.
>>> You said: "It's decided by the courts, and they've already ruled that
>>> Obama HAS provided "sufficient evidence."
>>> You lied.
>>> You admitted you lied.
>>No...
>
> Learn to like your lies.
Go to hell, liar.
> They will never go away.
Your lies won't? I suppose not.
>>> They passed, with NO debate, and by voice vote ONLY, a NON-BINDING
>>> Resolution that has ZERO legal standing in ANY court.
>>No legal standing, but an affirmation that they believe him to be
>>eligible.
>
> Means nothing.
Even at "nothing", it's far more than any of you birther kooks can come up
with.
>>Live with it.
>
> Live with my lies.
I'll let YOU live with them. I want no part of your absurd fantasies.
> They will follow me forever.
Probably.
>>Now, my question for you...
>
> YOU have been CAUGHT LYING repeatedly.
As the judge told your goddess, Oily Ditz: "Your saying it doesn't make it
so."
Patriot Games
>> True, yet completely irrelevant.
>>>> Yes, since automating.
>>>Yes, and Obama requested that copy of his birth certificate since
>>>automating, so THAT is what they'll issue, and the ONLY thing they'll
>>>issue.
>> Wrong. If he requests a certified copy of his ORIGINAL Birth
>> Certificate he'll get a certified copy of his ORIGINAL Birth
>> Certificate.
>>>> Nobody is falling for your word games...
>>>I'm not the one playing word games.
>> Then you must be a retard.
They SAW the ORIGINAL Birth Certificate but YOU CLAIM they don't know
WHERE they saw it...
Hahahahahhaahha!!!
"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of
Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the
Hawai� State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama
was born in Hawai� and is a natural-born American citizen."
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
>Obama announced...
YOU SAID "only a few weeks."
YOU LIED.
>>>>>> AND THEN because he is fighting like mad trying to keep
>>>>>> his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate private.
>>>>>He hasn't been "fighting like mad". He's simply ignoring the lunatic
>>>>>fringe. There's a difference.
>>>> Wrong. He has spent plenty of money retaining several groups of
>>>> lawyers to fight each and every court attempt to get a certified copy
>>>> of his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate released to the public.
>>>Wrong. He's spent a little bit of money on a few lawyers who simply walk
>>>into court and request that the frivolous lawsuits be dismissed.
>> Oops! Caught LYING, again...
>> April 29, 2009
>> Obama campaign has paid $1,066,691.90 to fight eligibility lawsuits
>> http://tweetalink.com/go/oEZA
>Your...
YOU SAID "a little bit of money."
YOU LIED.
>>>>>> Nobody outside of his immediate family and
>>>>>> a handful of advisors know what it is. But it COULD BE a foreign
>>>>>> birth and since that COULD BE easily resolved WE MUST get it resolved.
>>>>>It's BEEN resolved. Long ago. He posted a copy of his birth
>>>>>certificate
>>>>>on
>>>>>the Internet.
>>>> It won't be resolved until he provides a certified copy of his
>>>> ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
>>>Something that has not existed since they went digital.
>> Oops! Caught LYING, again...
>There is, somewhere, in a box in a dusty warehouse, the original.
>> "Hawai'i's Health Department confirmed yesterday that it has President
>> Obama's original Aug. 4, 1961, birth certificate in storage."
>> http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2009/Jul/28/ln/hawaii907280345.html
YOU SAID "has not existed."
YOU LIED.
>> Learn to like your lies.
>> They will never go away.
See above.
Obama-Biden in 2012
news:vv8qi5l2o3ni2utv2...@4ax.com...
>>> "Hawai'i's Health Department confirmed yesterday that it has President
>>> Obama's original Aug. 4, 1961, birth certificate in storage."
>>> http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2009/Jul/28/ln/hawaii907280345.html
>>Yes, and they've also said they're not sure exactly WHERE.
>
> They SAW the ORIGINAL Birth Certificate but YOU CLAIM they don't know
> WHERE they saw it...
Read the quote again, very carefully.
> "I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of
> Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the
> Hawai� State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama
> was born in Hawai� and is a natural-born American citizen."
> http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
She said she has seen "the original vital records". That doesn't
necessarily mean she's seen the actual certificate.
>>> "Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate is a document PolitiFact.com
>>> had sought for months."
>>> http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
>>Obama announced...
>
> YOU SAID "only a few weeks."
>
> YOU LIED.
As I pointed out in the part you conveniently snipped, his candidacy
officially began in November of 2007 when he filed paperwork in Iowa and New
Hampshire. The copyright date on the web page with the birth certificate is
2007. There are only a few weeks between November and the end of the year.
>>> Obama campaign has paid $1,066,691.90 to fight eligibility lawsuits
>>> http://tweetalink.com/go/oEZA
>>Your...
>
> YOU SAID "a little bit of money."
>
> YOU LIED.
As I pointed out in the part you conveniently snipped, Obama for America has
paid that much TOTAL in legal fees to Perkins Coie. What percentage of that
$1 million plus do you think actually went to fighting eligibility lawsuits?
Your contention is EVERY PENNY of it. You refuse to believe that the PAC
had ANY other legal expenses, yet the Kerry campaign had paid the very same
law firm a comparable amount four years prior for the same level of legal
support with NOTHING being spent on any sort of eligibility lawsuits. Prove
that 100% of what Obama for America paid Perkins Coie was for fighting
eligibility lawsuits and you'll get to claim that you're a truthteller and
that I'm a liar. Until you can do that, the opposite is true.
>>>>> It won't be resolved until he provides a certified copy of his
>>>>> ORIGINAL Birth Certificate.
>>>>Something that has not existed since they went digital.
>>> Oops! Caught LYING, again...
>>There is, somewhere, in a box in a dusty warehouse, the original.
>>> "Hawai'i's Health Department confirmed yesterday that it has President
>>> Obama's original Aug. 4, 1961, birth certificate in storage."
>>> http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2009/Jul/28/ln/hawaii907280345.html
>
> YOU SAID "has not existed."
>
> YOU LIED.
We were talking about a "certified COPY" of what's warehoused. . . something
that has (to the best of anyone's knowledge) NEVER existed, despite your
claim that Obama had one available to produce.
Why are you such a liar, Traitor Games? Why do you hate America and our
system, which presumes Obama is natural-born unless somebody can prove
otherwise?
Patriot Games
<NoTh...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>"Traitor Games" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
>news:vv8qi5l2o3ni2utv2...@4ax.com...
>>>> "Hawai'i's Health Department confirmed yesterday that it has President
>>>> Obama's original Aug. 4, 1961, birth certificate in storage."
>>>> http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2009/Jul/28/ln/hawaii907280345.html
>>>Yes, and they've also said they're not sure exactly WHERE.
>> They SAW the ORIGINAL Birth Certificate but YOU CLAIM they don't know
>> WHERE they saw it...
>Read the quote again, very carefully.
>> "I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of
>> Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the
>> Hawai� State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama
>> was born in Hawai� and is a natural-born American citizen."
>> http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
>She said she has seen "the original vital records". That doesn't
>necessarily mean she's seen the actual certificate.
Bwahahahahahhahaha!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
While it HAS been fun embarrassing you, humiliating you, and urinating
on you in public my valuable time must now go elsewhere. Not to
worry, YOUR LIES are safely stored FOREVER in the Google Archives and
YOUR LIES will NOW follow YOU Forever.
bugs
>
>
> Bwahahahahahhahaha!!!
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
>
Woops - Having another giggling fit?
Guess it's back to therapy for you.
Obama-Biden in 2012
> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:17:24 -0700, "Obama-Biden in 2012"
> <NoTh...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>>"Traitor Games" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
>>news:vv8qi5l2o3ni2utv2...@4ax.com...
>>>>> "Hawai'i's Health Department confirmed yesterday that it has President
>>>>> Obama's original Aug. 4, 1961, birth certificate in storage."
>>>>> http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2009/Jul/28/ln/hawaii907280345.html
>>>>Yes, and they've also said they're not sure exactly WHERE.
>>> They SAW the ORIGINAL Birth Certificate but YOU CLAIM they don't know
>>> WHERE they saw it...
>>Read the quote again, very carefully.
>>> "I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of
>>> Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the
>>> Hawai� State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama
>>> was born in Hawai� and is a natural-born American citizen."
>>> http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
>>She said she has seen "the original vital records". That doesn't
>>necessarily mean she's seen the actual certificate.
>
> Bwahahahahahhahaha!!!
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
>
> urinating on myself in public my sorry ass must now go elsewhere. Not to
> worry, MY LIES are safely stored FOREVER in the Google Archives and
> MY LIES will NOW follow ME Forever.
Good bye, pathetic little loser.
Patriot Games
>Patriot Games wrote:
>> Bwahahahahahhahaha!!!
>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
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