Socialism To The Rescue, Yet Again

Bradley K. Sherman

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Mar 18, 2020, 8:47:13 AM3/18/20

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Time to bail out the Corporate Overlords:
|
| Emergency stimulus to soar above $1 trillion
|
| Facing a warning of 20 percent unemployment without action,
| officials are pushing urgently for a trillion-dollar
| economic aid package.
| ...
<https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/17/coronavirus-1-trillion-emergency-stimulus-133821>

--bks

Rudy Canoza

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Mar 18, 2020, 10:31:53 AM3/18/20

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On 3/18/2020 5:47 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> Time to bail out the Corporate Overlords:
> |
> | Emergency stimulus to soar above $1 trillion

That's not socialism, of course.

--
If you're not reading the New York Times, you're not following the news

Bradley K. Sherman

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Mar 18, 2020, 10:45:44 AM3/18/20

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Rudy Canoza <c...@hendrie.con> wrote:
>On 3/18/2020 5:47 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>> Time to bail out the Corporate Overlords:
>> |
>> | Emergency stimulus to soar above $1 trillion
>
>That's not socialism, of course.

Wrong again, Rudy. That's exactly what it is.

--bks

Rudy Canoza

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Mar 18, 2020, 10:48:27 AM3/18/20

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On 3/18/2020 7:45 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> Rudy Canoza <c...@hendrie.con> wrote:
>> On 3/18/2020 5:47 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>> Time to bail out the Corporate Overlords:
>>> |
>>> | Emergency stimulus to soar above $1 trillion
>>
>> That's not socialism, of course.
>
> Wrong again, Rudy.

No, I'm right. You don't know what socialism is; I do. Subsidies and
other transfer payments are not socialism. Thinking and educated people
know this. Now we know why you don't.

Obsidian Order

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Mar 18, 2020, 10:53:22 AM3/18/20

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Bradley K. Sherman wrote

They say in the south that if you give it all to the rich, it aint socialism.
But only white people and no democrats.

Bradley K. Sherman

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Mar 18, 2020, 10:58:56 AM3/18/20

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Rudy Canoza <c...@hendrie.con> wrote:
>On 3/18/2020 7:45 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>> Rudy Canoza <c...@hendrie.con> wrote:
>>> On 3/18/2020 5:47 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>> Time to bail out the Corporate Overlords:
>>>> |
>>>> | Emergency stimulus to soar above $1 trillion
>>>
>>> That's not socialism, of course.
>>
>> Wrong again, Rudy.
>
>No, I'm right. You don't know what socialism is; I do. Subsidies and
>other transfer payments are not socialism.

Wrong again, Rudy. You don't know what socialism is; I do.

--bks

Keep America Great 2020

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Mar 18, 2020, 11:11:36 AM3/18/20

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Bernie & his "Squad" have proven Socialism will never ever come to America

Rudy Canoza

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Mar 18, 2020, 11:33:58 AM3/18/20

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On 3/18/2020 7:58 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> Rudy Canoza <c...@hendrie.con> wrote:
>> On 3/18/2020 7:45 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>> Rudy Canoza <c...@hendrie.con> wrote:
>>>> On 3/18/2020 5:47 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>> Time to bail out the Corporate Overlords:
>>>>> |
>>>>> | Emergency stimulus to soar above $1 trillion
>>>>
>>>> That's not socialism, of course.
>>>
>>> Wrong again, Rudy.
>>
>> No, I'm right. You don't know what socialism is; I do. Subsidies and
>> other transfer payments are not socialism.
>
> Wrong again, Rudy.

Nope. I'm right - again and as always. Subsidies and transfer payments
are not socialism - they are social welfare. This is settled.

BeamMeUpScotty

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Mar 18, 2020, 11:42:29 AM3/18/20

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This will be like a 2 week vacation I've taken vacations where I didn't
get paid for the two weeks I was gone.

NO need to get too excited over it. Yes some peopl ethat don't save
money will harmed but they can try to catch up later and if the solution
is to give them a tax break then it isn't Socialism it's Capitalism
because Capitalism would allow you to keep more of the money you earned
for times like this rather than steal like the Socialists do.

--
That's Karma

*Plan for the worst and hope for the best*

Josh Rosenbluth

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Mar 18, 2020, 11:47:56 AM3/18/20

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That's not socialism. Socialism is public control of the means of
production (or perhaps services).

What I still don't get is why Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist
when his only policy that is socialist is Medicare For All (end of
private health insurance). Given that socialism is unpopular in the
USA, and Bernie's policies are generally popular, why does he insist on
torpedoing his chances by labeling himself something so unpopular?

Bradley K. Sherman

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Mar 18, 2020, 11:50:48 AM3/18/20

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Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>On 3/18/2020 5:47 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>> Time to bail out the Corporate Overlords:
>> |
>> | Emergency stimulus to soar above $1 trillion
>> |
>> | Facing a warning of 20 percent unemployment without action,
>> | officials are pushing urgently for a trillion-dollar
>> | economic aid package.
>> | ...
>>
><https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/17/coronavirus-1-trillion-emergency-stimulus-133821>
>

>That's not socialism. Socialism is public control of the means of
>production (or perhaps services).

> ...

Stop with the simple-minded definitions! It *is* socialism.
Using public money to prop up industry *is* socialism.
It's central planning.

It sure as hell isn't capitalism.

--bks

Rudy Canoza

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Mar 18, 2020, 11:55:59 AM3/18/20

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On 3/18/2020 8:47 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
> On 3/18/2020 5:47 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>> Time to bail out the Corporate Overlords:
>> |
>> | Emergency stimulus to soar above $1 trillion
>> |
>> | Facing a warning of 20 percent unemployment without action,
>> | officials are pushing urgently for a trillion-dollar
>> | economic aid package.
>> | ...
>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/17/coronavirus-1-trillion-emergency-stimulus-133821>
>>
>>
>> --bks
>
> That's not socialism. Socialism is public control of the means of
> production (or perhaps services).
>
> What I still don't get is why Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist
> when his only policy that is socialist is Medicare For All (end of
> private health insurance).

Even that isn't socialism, because he isn't proposing a government-run
health service, like the UK. He's proposing government *financing* of
health care, not government provision. What it is, is another massive
welfare program. It is not socialism.

> Given that socialism is unpopular in the
> USA, and Bernie's policies are generally popular, why does he insist on
> torpedoing his chances by labeling himself something so unpopular?
>

Rudy Canoza

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Mar 18, 2020, 11:56:54 AM3/18/20

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On 3/18/2020 8:50 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 3/18/2020 5:47 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>> Time to bail out the Corporate Overlords:
>>> |
>>> | Emergency stimulus to soar above $1 trillion
>>> |
>>> | Facing a warning of 20 percent unemployment without action,
>>> | officials are pushing urgently for a trillion-dollar
>>> | economic aid package.
>>> | ...
>>>
>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/17/coronavirus-1-trillion-emergency-stimulus-133821>
>>
>> That's not socialism. Socialism is public control of the means of
>> production (or perhaps services).
>> ...
>
> Stop with the simple-minded definitions!

It is, of course, the right definition - the *only* right one.

> It *is* socialism.

It is not.

> Using public money to prop up industry *is* socialism.

No, it is not.

Josh Rosenbluth

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Mar 18, 2020, 11:57:55 AM3/18/20

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Bailouts are not socialism (public ownership) or central planning
(public determination of supply and prices). Bailouts are the rescuing
of capitalism.

Bradley K. Sherman

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Mar 18, 2020, 12:01:32 PM3/18/20

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Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> ...

>Bailouts are not socialism (public ownership) or central planning
>(public determination of supply and prices). Bailouts are the rescuing
>of capitalism.

By the public for the public. That's socialism! Ask Bernie.

--bks

Rudy Canoza

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Mar 18, 2020, 12:02:19 PM3/18/20

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In normal times, this kind of bailout might be called crony capitalism.
These are not normal times.

Rudy Canoza

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Mar 18, 2020, 12:02:45 PM3/18/20

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That's not socialism. You are an idiot.

Josh Rosenbluth

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Mar 18, 2020, 12:05:13 PM3/18/20

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On 3/18/2020 8:55 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 3/18/2020 8:47 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>> On 3/18/2020 5:47 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>> Time to bail out the Corporate Overlords:
>>> |
>>> | Emergency stimulus to soar above $1 trillion
>>> |
>>> | Facing a warning of 20 percent unemployment without action,
>>> | officials are pushing urgently for a trillion-dollar
>>> | economic aid package.
>>> | ...
>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/17/coronavirus-1-trillion-emergency-stimulus-133821>
>>>
>>>
>>> --bks
>>
>> That's not socialism. Socialism is public control of the means of
>> production (or perhaps services).
>>
>> What I still don't get is why Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist
>> when his only policy that is socialist is Medicare For All (end of
>> private health insurance).
>
> Even that isn't socialism, because he isn't proposing a government-run
> health service, like the UK. He's proposing government *financing* of
> health care, not government provision. What it is, is another massive
> welfare program. It is not socialism.

Medicare For All, which Canada has, is socialism because it nationalizes
the health insurance industry. I do however agree the UK's National
Health Insurance goes even farther by nationalizing health-care
providers and delivery.

BeamMeUpScotty

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Mar 18, 2020, 12:11:25 PM3/18/20

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Socialism is stealing money that you didn't earn yourself, NOT giving it
back to the person who you stole it from.... SO the Socialism was
stealing the money from the workers in the first place and calling it a
tax, but returning it to the person is Capitalism and knowing it was
wrong to steal the money from the person that had to give their own
blood, sweat and tears to earn it in the first place so it's theirs and
never was yours....

Josh Rosenbluth

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Mar 18, 2020, 12:11:36 PM3/18/20

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That was my point about Bernie. He calls himself a socialist even
though he isn't, and in doing so he makes himself unpopular. Warren has
many of the same policies but doesn't call herself a socialist.

Josh Rosenbluth

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Mar 18, 2020, 12:13:26 PM3/18/20

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Whew! I thought for a moment based on your posts on coronavirus, that
you had become the voice of reason. But thank goodness, you are as
still as indecipherably nuts as always.

Bradley K. Sherman

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Mar 18, 2020, 12:14:27 PM3/18/20

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Rudy Canoza <c...@hendrie.con> wrote:
>On 3/18/2020 9:01 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>> Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> ...
>>> Bailouts are not socialism (public ownership) or central planning
>>> (public determination of supply and prices). Bailouts are the
>rescuing
>>> of capitalism.
>>
>> By the public for the public. That's socialism!
>
>That's not socialism. You are an idiot.

It sure as hell isn't capitalism. If it's one
of the two, it's socialism.

--bks

Rudy Canoza

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Mar 18, 2020, 12:15:17 PM3/18/20

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So the question is, does Biden pick Warren because she'll appeal to
Sanders's base and get them out to vote, even though if she becomes
president it will be a catastrohe? Or does he pick Klobuchar, a
reasonable person but someone who will not draw the Sanders morons to
the polls?

Rudy Canoza

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Mar 18, 2020, 12:16:40 PM3/18/20

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The basic structure of the economy remains, of course, capitalist:
private enterprise operating in a market economy - just with a big
infusion of public money, but no change in ownership or management.

It's not socialism. This is settled.

BeamMeUpScotty

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Mar 18, 2020, 12:18:33 PM3/18/20

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Reason is three dimensional.... or at least a color image NOT just black
and white.

Fred C. Dobbs

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Mar 18, 2020, 12:20:32 PM3/18/20

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On 3/18/2020 9:18 AM, #ReamMeUpTheAssSnotty, brain-damaged fucktard who
rode his scooter into a tree while not wearing a helmet, stupidly bawled
and lied:

> On 3/18/20 12:13 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:

>> On 3/18/2020 9:11 AM, #ReamMeUpTheAssSnotty, brain-damaged fucktard who rode his scooter into a tree while not wearing a helmet, stupidly bawled and lied:

You just proved his point again.

BeamMeUpScotty

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Mar 18, 2020, 12:21:29 PM3/18/20

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Giving someone back their own money that was stolen by a tax is NOT
Socialism. They earned the money that was taken from them so giving it
back isn't an act of kindness.

Giving someone back what they already own is justice.

Josh Rosenbluth

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Mar 18, 2020, 12:22:30 PM3/18/20

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I like Stacey Abrams. Although she has limited experience, she will
energize both the female and black vote, and she is very charismatic. I
believe she is not like Warren or Sanders, but I think she can
nonetheless help get those people to vote.

BeamMeUpScotty

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Mar 18, 2020, 12:25:20 PM3/18/20

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Biden can still PICK Bernie and have the whole voter base of the
Democrats and that would be the only way to beat TRUMP....

It's Probably what the Democrats will have to do to even get close to
TRUMP.

Bradley K. Sherman

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Mar 18, 2020, 1:04:52 PM3/18/20

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The bullshit Invisible Hand of the Marketplace just got a whole
lot more invisible. Socialism it is.

--bks

BeamMeUpScotty

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Mar 18, 2020, 1:17:48 PM3/18/20

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On 3/18/20 1:04 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>> Time to bail out the Corporate Overlords:

>>>>>>> Â Â |
>>>>>>> Â Â | Emergency stimulus to soar above $1 trillion
>>>>>>> Â Â |
>>>>>>> Â Â | Facing a warning of 20 percent unemployment without action,
>>>>>>> Â Â | officials are pushing urgently for a trillion-dollar
>>>>>>> Â Â | economic aid package.
>>>>>>> Â Â | ...

>
> The bullshit Invisible Hand of the Marketplace just got a whole
> lot more invisible. Socialism it is.
>
> --bks
>

Where is Obama hiding and Hillary and Bill?

Byker

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Mar 18, 2020, 4:58:54 PM3/18/20

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Bradley K. Sherman wrote

> Time to bail out the Corporate Overlords:
> |

> | Emergency stimulus to soar above $1 trillion
> |

> | Facing a warning of 20 percent unemployment without action,

> | officials are pushing urgently for a trillion-dollar

> | economic aid package.
> | ...
> <https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/17/coronavirus-1-trillion-emergency-stimulus-133821>

Back during the Depression c.1932 there was a movement underway to give each
American $300 (about $5,000 in today's money) in order to stimulate the
economy. FDR scotched the idea after he was elected...

Bradley K. Sherman

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Mar 18, 2020, 5:12:03 PM3/18/20

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Yes, we are going to need a new WPA/CCC project when Mango Moron
is finished destroying the economy.

--bks

Bradley K. Sherman

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Mar 18, 2020, 7:31:08 PM3/18/20

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Smells like socialism:
|
| Kudlow Says Government May Take Equity Stakes for Company
| Aid
| ...
<https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/kudlow-says-government-may-take-equity-stakes-for-company-aid>

--bks

NoBody

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Mar 19, 2020, 6:31:32 AM3/19/20

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On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:58:54 +0000 (UTC), b...@panix.com (Bradley K.
Sherman) wrote:

>Rudy Canoza <c...@hendrie.con> wrote:

>>On 3/18/2020 7:45 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>> Rudy Canoza <c...@hendrie.con> wrote:

>>>> On 3/18/2020 5:47 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>> Time to bail out the Corporate Overlords:
>>>>> |
>>>>> | Emergency stimulus to soar above $1 trillion
>>>>

>>>> That's not socialism, of course.
>>>
>>> Wrong again, Rudy.
>>
>>No, I'm right. You don't know what socialism is; I do. Subsidies and
>>other transfer payments are not socialism.
>
>Wrong again, Rudy. You don't know what socialism is; I do.
>
> --bks

You've confused socialism with the world you live in - communism.

NoBody

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Mar 19, 2020, 6:33:42 AM3/19/20

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So what do YOU suggest be done differently?

Bradley K. Sherman

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Mar 19, 2020, 7:55:20 AM3/19/20

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If you don't think this is socialism, you're unclear
on the concept:
|
| Trump invokes Defense Production Act to expand production
| of hospital masks and more
| ...
<https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/politics/trump-defense-production-act-coronavirus/index.html>

--bks

NoBody

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Mar 20, 2020, 6:23:01 AM3/20/20

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The communist troll runs away again.

Obsidian Order

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May 12, 2020, 8:07:08 PM5/12/20

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Bradley K. Sherman wrote

> Time to bail out the Corporate Overlords:
> |
> | Emergency stimulus to soar above $1 trillion
> |
> | Facing a warning of 20 percent unemployment without action,
> | officials are pushing urgently for a trillion-dollar
> | economic aid package.
> | ...
> <https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/17/coronavirus-1-trillion-emergenc
> y-stimulus-133821>
>

They say in the south that if you give it all to the rich, it aint socialism.
But only white people and no democrats.