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Matt

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Dec 19, 2017, 3:35:16 PM12/19/17
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On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:29:20 PM UTC-5, Yak wrote:
> Notice a pattern? Time for these states to pay their fair share.
>
> Rep. Dan Donovan, New York
> Rep. John Faso, New York
> Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen, New Jersey
> Rep. Darrell Issa, California
> Rep. Walter Jones, North Carolina
> Rep. Peter King, New York
> Rep. Leonard Lance, New Jersey
> Rep. Frank LoBiondo, New Jersey
> Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, California
> Rep. Christopher Smith, New Jersey
> Rep. Elise Stefanik, New York
> Rep. Lee Zeldin, New York

Um, ok.


Rank State Gross collections (in thousands)
1 California $405,851,295
2 Texas $279,904,425
3 New York $269,716,999
4 Florida $177,389,488
5 Illinois $158,042,273
6 New Jersey $153,917,572

How many of those are red states?

Matt

Tom Sr.

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Dec 19, 2017, 4:36:16 PM12/19/17
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Good for them for putting America first!

. . .


ed...@post.com

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Dec 19, 2017, 4:52:25 PM12/19/17
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On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:29:20 PM UTC-5, Yak wrote:
> Notice a pattern? Time for these states to pay their fair share.
>
> Rep. Dan Donovan, New York
> Rep. John Faso, New York
> Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen, New Jersey
> Rep. Darrell Issa, California
> Rep. Walter Jones, North Carolina
> Rep. Peter King, New York
> Rep. Leonard Lance, New Jersey
> Rep. Frank LoBiondo, New Jersey
> Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, California
> Rep. Christopher Smith, New Jersey
> Rep. Elise Stefanik, New York
> Rep. Lee Zeldin, New York

Yeah, it's called actual responsible right wingers representing the best interests of their constituents, all of whom - amounting to a quarter of the total US population - live in 4 of the states to be most negatively impacted by Tubby's regressive tax plan.
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#BeamMeUpScotty

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Dec 19, 2017, 5:17:06 PM12/19/17
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On 12/19/2017 04:59 PM, Yak wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 4:36:16 PM UTC-5, Tom Sr. wrote:
>> Good for them for putting America first!
>
> By allowing their citizens to deduct state and local taxes, thereby putting the burden on other states, is not putting America first.

It sounds pretty selfish to me... Typical Liberalism.


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ed...@post.com

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Dec 19, 2017, 5:19:03 PM12/19/17
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On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 4:59:32 PM UTC-5, Yak wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 4:36:16 PM UTC-5, Tom Sr. wrote:
> > Good for them for putting America first!
>
> By allowing their citizens to deduct state and local taxes, thereby putting the burden on other states, is not putting America first.

Then the other states should allow their citizens to deduct state and local taxes. Why don't they? And you've got your priorities all fucked up: giving Corporate America and the rich more money to play with is what's really not putting America first.

#BeamMeUpScotty

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On 12/19/2017 04:52 PM, ed...@post.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:29:20 PM UTC-5, Yak wrote:
>> Notice a pattern? Time for these states to pay their fair share.
>>
>> Rep. Dan Donovan, New York
>> Rep. John Faso, New York
>> Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen, New Jersey
>> Rep. Darrell Issa, California
>> Rep. Walter Jones, North Carolina
>> Rep. Peter King, New York
>> Rep. Leonard Lance, New Jersey
>> Rep. Frank LoBiondo, New Jersey
>> Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, California
>> Rep. Christopher Smith, New Jersey
>> Rep. Elise Stefanik, New York
>> Rep. Lee Zeldin, New York
> Yeah, it's called actual responsible right wingers representing the best interests of their constituents,

It's called high tax States and cities that want the rest of us to pay
more so they can keep that money inside their State's borders with a
States or City tax.

Greedy Liberal as usual.


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Dec 19, 2017, 5:22:02 PM12/19/17
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On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 5:08:17 PM UTC-5, Yak wrote:
> Oh, suddenly the rich are paying their fair share.....

90% of people in those states aren't rich, and they still get hit more than the rich and also in ways that those in red states won't.

#BeamMeUpScotty

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Dec 19, 2017, 5:43:26 PM12/19/17
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Florida and Texas have no *State income tax* for average people to
deduct from their Federal income taxes.

That means that California an New York want residents to write off all
that money on their Federal income tax and then the State redistribute
within the State keeping that much more money inside their Liberal State
than what Texas and Florida will have.

Seems like California and New York are whining that they are going to
lose their special deductions..... Liberals States are just greedy.

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#BeamMeUpScotty

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Dec 19, 2017, 6:20:41 PM12/19/17
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On 12/19/2017 05:56 PM, Yak wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 5:19:03 PM UTC-5, ed...@post.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 4:59:32 PM UTC-5, Yak wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 4:36:16 PM UTC-5, Tom Sr. wrote:
>>>> Good for them for putting America first!
>>>
>>> By allowing their citizens to deduct state and local taxes, thereby putting the burden on other states, is not putting America first.
>>
>> Then the other states should allow their citizens to deduct state and local taxes.
>
> Wrong. No state should allow any deductions. Make all the evil, putrid, rancid, stinkin’ rich pay their fair share. Fair is fair, right?

The actual problem is that they deduct their personal State income tax
that they paid on their Federal income tax forms, meaning that a State
with NO state income tax is at a disadvantage.... this is the very kind
of problem that Liberals said was a 14th amendment violations of gays
and why gay marriage had to be legalized by the Supreme Court.

Which means that all the gays in Florida and Texas are presently having
their 14th amendment rights violated by NOT receiving the same tax
deduction as the heterosexuals in New York and California.



>> Why don't they? And you've got your priorities all fucked up: giving Corporate America and the rich more money to play with is what's really not putting America first.
>


Siri Cruise

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Dec 19, 2017, 6:21:09 PM12/19/17
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Yak <y...@inbox.com> wrote:

> Notice a pattern? Time for these states to pay their fair share.
>
> Rep. Dan Donovan, New York
> Rep. John Faso, New York
> Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen, New Jersey
> Rep. Darrell Issa, California
> Rep. Walter Jones, North Carolina
> Rep. Peter King, New York
> Rep. Leonard Lance, New Jersey
> Rep. Frank LoBiondo, New Jersey
> Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, California
> Rep. Christopher Smith, New Jersey
> Rep. Elise Stefanik, New York
> Rep. Lee Zeldin, New York

What is their 'fair share'?

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Dec 19, 2017, 6:25:45 PM12/19/17
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In article <9507e396-c279-4308...@googlegroups.com>,
Yak <y...@inbox.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 4:36:16 PM UTC-5, Tom Sr. wrote:
> > Good for them for putting America first!
>
> By allowing their citizens to deduct state and local taxes, thereby putting
> the burden on other states, is not putting America first.

That assumes typical taxable income in these state is less than typical taxable
income in other states, so that the taxes paid are less. You're also ignoring
other offsets to taxable income such federal intitlements.
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On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 6:32:45 PM UTC-5, Yak wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 6:21:09 PM UTC-5, Siri Cruise wrote:
> > In article <f30ea26d-0ac6-4445...@googlegroups.com>,
> > Yak <y...@inbox.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Notice a pattern? Time for these states to pay their fair share.
> > >
> > > Rep. Dan Donovan, New York
> > > Rep. John Faso, New York
> > > Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen, New Jersey
> > > Rep. Darrell Issa, California
> > > Rep. Walter Jones, North Carolina
> > > Rep. Peter King, New York
> > > Rep. Leonard Lance, New Jersey
> > > Rep. Frank LoBiondo, New Jersey
> > > Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, California
> > > Rep. Christopher Smith, New Jersey
> > > Rep. Elise Stefanik, New York
> > > Rep. Lee Zeldin, New York
> >
> > What is their 'fair share'?
>
> Ha! The same has been asked over and over regarding the left’s constant complaints about the rich.


Yeah, like you'll see any tax cut for you. First, you need a job for that. And even if you do have a job, you'd be lucky to see a savings of $15 per week. Meanwhile, multi-millionaires and billionaires will rake in more millions for themselves from cuts, deductions and loopholes. Businesses keep their cuts forever, while right wing scum like you will have to pay more beginning in 2025 to make up for what businesses won't be paying. Suck on it.

Matt

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Dec 19, 2017, 7:56:04 PM12/19/17
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On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 5:08:17 PM UTC-5, Yak wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:35:16 PM UTC-5, Matt wrote:
> Oh, suddenly the rich are paying their fair share.....

No, those that make money are paying their fair share.

You aren't.

You don't matter.

And in a year, the Republicans will be gone and the red states will all be bankrupted.

Get used to the idea.
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ed...@post.com

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Dec 19, 2017, 9:52:57 PM12/19/17
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On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 9:05:26 PM UTC-5, Yak wrote:
> Oh, so libs like Schumer, Pelosi and the rest of the left-wing clown posse have been lying all along when they say the rich aren’t paying their fair share.


They are and they aren't. They are compared to you; they aren't compared to what they should be paying.
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On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 10:28:39 PM UTC-5, Yak wrote:
> I see, so you’re calling Matt a liar.


What part of "they are" is lying? Damn, you're too fucking stupid for this discusssion.

Matt

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Dec 20, 2017, 4:07:36 AM12/20/17
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On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 9:05:26 PM UTC-5, Yak wrote:
> Oh, so libs like Schumer, Pelosi and the rest of the left-wing clown posse have been lying all along when they say the rich aren’t paying their fair share.

I see that you are stupid.

Good to know you don't matter then.

Matt
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On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 7:00:22 AM UTC-5, Yak wrote:
> The part where you said ‘they aren’t.’ Can’t even keep track of your own BS, huh?


"They aren't" isn't part of "they are." Fuck almighty, you're just too fucking stupid as a right winger for this discussion.

Tom Sr.

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Yak wrote.




"...for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap."
--Galatians 6:7

. . .


DoD

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"Tom Sr." <thomas.sw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Yak wrote.
>
> "...for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap."
> --Galatians 6:7

Comcast announced it will invest a whopping $50 billion into infrastructure
projects over the next five years due to the Republicans' tax plan. The
media giant will also give $1000 bonuses to more than 100,000 employees.

http://thegatewaypundit.com/2017/12/trumpmas-comcast-announces-50-billion-investment-due-historic-gop-tax-reform/

AT&T quickly responded to this historical tax cut and announced Wednesday it
will be issuing over 200,000 U.S. employees a special $1,000 bonus and will
also increase US capital spending by $1 billion.

http://thegatewaypundit.com/2017/12/trump-effect-att-announces-will-pay-us-employees-special-1000-bonus-due-gop-tax-reform-bill/

http://thegatewaypundit.com/2017/12/trump-effect-boeing-announces-300-million-investment-initiative-thanks-gop-tax-reform/

What do the democrats have? Stupid russia collusion which nobody believes,
and the worn out deck of race cards...

Matt

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> I see that you are caught in your own duplicity.

I think you need a dictionary for Christmas. Or XMas, if you happen to be a Trumper.

I showed you that you were wrong. You whined about it and started spouting Trumpisms.

You lost. Give it up and move on to your next Trumpist Loss.

Matt
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> Precisely the response I expected from someone whose hypocrisy has been uncovered.

Right.

Gotta love Trumpists.

Lie lie lie. The BIG lie.

Matt
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On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 11:27:30 PM UTC-5, DoD wrote:
> Tom Sr. wrote...
> > "...for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap."
> > --Galatians 6:7
> --
>
> Comcast announced it will invest a whopping $50 billion into infrastructure
> projects over the next five years due to the Republicans' tax plan. The
> media giant will also give $1000 bonuses to more than 100,000 employees.
>
> http://thegatewaypundit.com/2017/12/trumpmas-comcast-announces-50-billion-investment-due-historic-gop-tax-reform/


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https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/11/comcast-deleted-net-neutrality-pledge-the-same-day-fcc-announced-repeal/

"Comcast Deleted Net Neutrality Pledge The Same Day FCC Announced Repeal"

Three-year-old "no paid prioritization" pledge was suddenly removed.
11/29/2017
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http://popculture.com/2017/12/20/comcast-raises-prices-again-miami/

"Comcast Reportedly Bumps up Prices Again, Including Late Fee"
December 20, 2017
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> AT&T quickly responded to this historical tax cut and announced Wednesday it
> will be issuing over 200,000 U.S. employees a special $1,000 bonus and will
> also increase US capital spending by $1 billion.
>
> http://thegatewaypundit.com/2017/12/trump-effect-att-announces-will-pay-us-employees-special-1000-bonus-due-gop-tax-reform-bill/
>
> http://thegatewaypundit.com/2017/12/trump-effect-boeing-announces-300-million-investment-initiative-thanks-gop-tax-reform/


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https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/Ch3VzOB4M-g/A4NthCFxBgAJ

On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 12:59:21 AM UTC-5, Gronk wrote:

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/360444-trump-economic-adviser-stunned-after-few-ceos-say-they-will-invest-more-if-tax

White House economic adviser Gary Cohn appeared surprised
at an event after few CEOs said they planned to invest more
if the GOP's tax plan is passed.

During an event for the Wall Street Journal's CEO Council,
an editor at The Wall Street Journal asked the room: "If
the tax reform bill goes through, do you plan to increase
investment -- your company's investment, capital
investment?"

People were asked to raise their hand.

When few hands were raised, Cohn, the White House Economic
Council director, asked: "Why aren't the other hands up?"
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...AND...

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https://www.cqnews.com.au/news/donald-trumps-approval-sinks-to-new-low-amid-new-t/3294728/

*Donald Trump's Approval Tumbles Over His Tax Plan*
by Mathew Murphy
20th Dec 2017

AMERICANS are not buying the tax plan that Donald Trump is selling.

A new poll by CNN [http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/19/politics/cnn-poll-tax-bill-opposition-grows/index.html?adkey=bn] shows that the US president's approval rating has sunk to a record low of 35 per cent.

With 35 per cent supported the job Mr Trump is doing in the White House, 59 per cent said they disapprove.

That split is almost mirrored in the number of those who don't like the Republicans' planned tax cut. Opposition to the bill has grown 10 percentage points since November, with 55 per cent saying they disapprove and only 35 per cent in favour of the bill.

More than two-third of respondents say the plan will favour the wealthy, while 37 per cent believe they would be worse off.

Mr Trump tweeted that "stocks and the economy have a long way to go after the Tax Cut Bill is totally understood and appreciated in scope and size".

The US president's approval ratings are much lower than any of his predecessors at the same point of their presidency, which is surprising given, as Mr Trump points out, the sharemarket is at a record high.

Reagan was the only president to come close to Mr Trump's low approval rating, recording a 49 per cent figure in December 1981. Barack Obama's approval was at 54 per cent in the December of his first year.

Nevertheless Congress is expected to vote in favour of the tax bill today with Mr Trump planning to sign it into law soon afterwards.
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...AND...

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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/why-dont-63-percent-of-americans-realize-theyre-getting-a-tax-cut-for-christmas/548852/

*Why Don’t Most Americans Realize They’re Getting Tax Cuts for Christmas?*

Four out of five taxpayers will see their bills reduced in 2018, but few of them expect to see the cash.
by David A. Graham
Dec 20, 2017

Have you ever come up with what you think is the perfect Christmas gift—a well-chosen, carefully considered present—only for the recipient to react not just with indifference, but with outright hostility? Donald Trump, Mitch McConnell, and Paul Ryan can sympathize.

Most Americans will save money under the tax bill that the Senate passed Tuesday night and the House passed Wednesday. The size of that benefit varies, but 80 percent of households will see some benefit in 2018 [http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/distributional-analysis-conference-agreement-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act/full]. (The cuts shrink over time, eventually reduced to nothing for most people in 2027 [https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/12/gop-tax-bill-inequalilty/548726/].) It’s not just that a plurality of respondents in a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll say the cuts are a bad idea (41-24, with 35 percent unsure or holding no opinion), or might have bad long-term effects [http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/17505%20NBCWSJ%20December%20Poll.pdf]. It’s that only 17 percent actually believe they’ll get a break. That result is in line with other polls that have shown similar skepticism about receiving any benefit [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/15/business/economy/tax-survey.html].

Republican leaders insist that once people start seeing the benefits, their views on the taxes will turn around. “If we can’t sell this to the American people then we should be in another line of work,” McConnell said early Wednesday morning [https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/943361863575855105]. Whether or not that is true, the unpopularity of the cuts now is remarkable. Who doesn’t like free money?

President Trump’s theory for unawareness about the impending tax cuts is unsurprising, since it’s his standard explanation for all of his travails. “The Tax Cuts are so large and so meaningful, and yet the Fake News is working overtime to follow the lead of their friends, the defeated Dems, and only demean,” Trump tweeted Wednesday morning [https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/943489378462130176]. “This is truly a case where the results will speak for themselves, starting very soon. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs!” McConnell griped at reporters Tuesday night, “Your job is to use the Democrats’ talking points. I understand that.”

Coverage of the bill has been negative—Fareed Zakaria called it “possibly the worst piece of major legislation in a generation” [https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-gop-tax-bill-may-be-the-worst-piece-of-legislation-in-modern-history/2017/12/14/c1def814-e119-11e7-bbd0-9dfb2e37492a_story.html?utm_term=.fdad6ff3d77c] — but while that can’t help, placing the blame entirely on the press overestimates its influence and ignores that portions of the bill are simply unpopular, and that’s after tens of millions of dollars in ad spending to boost its approval [https://www.wsj.com/articles/groups-spend-tens-of-millions-to-sell-tax-bill-to-middle-class-1510240495]. The bill’s unpopularity might also be traced to anger about the fact that it undermines the newly popular Affordable Care Act, or awareness that its cuts will eventually expire, but that’s different from the strictly empirical whether it will reduce tax bills in the immediate term. Besides, the number of people directly affected by the changes to health care is small.

A more likely factor is that many people don’t understand the bill very well. Compared to other legislation of similar scope, including previous changes to the tax code, this bill moved through Congress at a breakneck pace. That was a political calculation, in two ways: First, Republicans were eager to notch a legislative victory before the end of the year, after a chaotic and frustrating 2017, and they wanted to meet Trump’s deadline for a tax cut before the end of the year. Second, GOP leaders figured that moving the legislation quickly would make it hard for the bill’s opponents to rally against the bill. They’d watched Democrats sink repeated attempts at Obamacare reform, and they recalled their own months-long battle to undermine Obamacare at its inception.

The rush succeeded, defying the widespread conventional wisdom that passing legislation by the end of the year was impossible. But while it solved some political problems, it created others. First, there’s been little time for anyone to understand what’s in the bill, much less how it will affect their own pocketbooks. It’s hard to blame ordinary Americans: Even Republicans involved in the drafting don’t understand it. On Tuesday, 'HuffPost’s' Matt Fuller [https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/943164320749379585] asked 18 members before he was able to get one to name the brackets in the new bill; House Ways and Means Chair Kevin Brady said he knew them but wouldn’t say what they were. Senator Bob Corker, accused of flipping to support the bill after a provision was added that would personally benefit him, defended himself by saying he hadn’t read the bill [http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/senator-bob-corker-said-he-hasnt-read-tax-bill-denies-changing-his-vote-exchange]. If the people who passed the bill haven’t read it and can’t understand it, it’s no wonder that the public doesn’t either.

Another consequence of the contracted legislative process was that the bill contained, at various times, a range of improbable or politically ill-advised provisions. This included, for example, eliminating the ability to deduct taxes paid to state and local governments, a provision that would have slammed graduate students [https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/12/the-changing-landscape-of-student-protest-in-higher-education/548867/], and another that would have eliminated a deduction for teachers who purchase classroom supplies [http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/15/pf/taxes/tax-bill-teacher-supplies-deduction/index.html]. The latter two of these ideas encountered harsh pushback and were ultimately dropped from the final bill, while the final bill opted for a $10,000 cap on the state-and-local tax deduction. The focus on these provisions and others like them hurt the bill’s approval and fostered the impression among various parts of the populace that they might be punished rather than rewarded by the new tax code.

Though Democrats could not stop the bill, their messaging, much maligned in recent months, won the day. They were successfully able to convince the public that the bill was geared toward giving corporations a huge, permanent tax cut, while giving individuals only a temporary one; and that the benefits of the bill would accrue overwhelmingly to wealthy taxpayers. This message had the virtue of being true [https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/12/gop-tax-bill-inequalilty/548726/], and it drowned out the GOP message of a tax cut for nearly everyone, at least in the immediate term. In the NBC/WSJ poll, respondents were correctly able to say that wealthy Americans and corporations would pay lower taxes, but pluralities believed that both their own families and middle-class families in general would actually pay more.

Republicans were busy rewriting the bill, and their attempts to sell its benefits were sometimes clumsy, like this weirdly specific scenario that Senator John Cornyn of Texas offered:

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Senator John Cornyn ✔ @JohnCornyn

Under #TaxCutsandJobsAct a married couple earning $100,000 per year ($60,000 from wages, $25,000 from their non-corporate business, and $15,000 in business income) will receive a tax cut of $2,603.50, a reduction of nearly 24 percent.

10:10 AM - Dec 19, 2017
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When McConnell said that Republicans should find a new line of work if they couldn’t sell the bill, he could have been referring to his own majority whip.

Democrats had the advantage of lots of free time to push their message because they were entirely shut out of the process. Usually the party in power attempts to court at least a few members of the opposition on major legislation like this, in order to give the bill an aura of bipartisanship. (Obamacare is a notable recent example of a party-line vote; Democrats claim they worked hard to get Republicans on board, while Republicans beg to differ.) Republicans barely even went through the motions of recruiting Democrats in either chamber for this bill, calculating that they could pass it without assistance. They were proven correct, but it’s amazing that Democrats were able to hold the line, without a single member voting for a bill that would cut taxes for nearly all Americans.

The strictly partisan nature of the process hurts the bill’s reception, and one reason that voters don’t expect to see any benefit may be that they simply don’t trust the Republicans. Trump’s approval rating continues its historic slump [http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/19/politics/trump-approval-new-low-history/index.html]; the portion of Americans who disapprove of congressional Republicans is just about the same as the portion who will see a tax cut—four out of five [https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2500]. By a four-point margin, respondents in the NBC/WSJ poll even said they trust Democrats more on taxes than the GOP, a reversal from recent trends.

Historically, the impression that most people will see no benefit is not an outlier. For most people, the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, provided a net benefit and had little effect on premiums [https://www.cbo.gov/publication/51130], but there was widespread expectation that would it increase costs [http://www.pollingreport.com/health6.htm]. President Obama also pushed through a tax cut for most Americans, but in a February 2010 poll, only 12 percent of respondents said they’d gotten a tax cut, versus 53 percent who said there had been no change and roughly a quarter who said their taxes had risen [http://www.pollingreport.com/health6.htm].

Those results aren’t exactly heartening for Republicans, though. Once people get in their head that a bill doesn’t help them, it’s surprisingly challenging to convince them otherwise. You won’t find a lot of people who remember Obama primarily as a tax cutter, and Obamacare only became popular when Republicans began seriously attempting to repeal it. Unlike the Affordable Care Act, however, the individual tax cuts aren’t permanent—they’ll expire in 10 years unless renewed, and in the interim, many benefits will expire and others will be eroded by inflation. That will complicate the GOP’s challenge in winning over the public. If it can’t, given the Democratic Party’s large and growing lead on the generic congressional ballot [http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/20/politics/cnn-poll-democrats-advantage-grows-2018/index.html], voters may take McConnell’s advice and ensure that GOP members of Congress have no choice but to switch careers.
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You STILL remain Clueless of The Big Picture, DuD, just like so many far-right-wingers.

Just so you know, if you reply, I will not be reading it. I have reached my Public STUPIDITY Limit for today and it is *not* even 11AM.

So bigly sad. Bigly sad.

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> On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 11:27:30 PM UTC-5, DoD wrote:
>> Tom Sr. wrote...
>> > "...for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap."
>> > --Galatians 6:7
>
>
> You STILL remain Clueless of The Big Picture, DuD, just like so many
> far-right-wingers.
>
> Just so you know, if you reply, I will not be reading it. I have reached
> my Public STUPIDITY Limit for today and it is *not* even 11AM.
>
> So bigly sad. Bigly sad.

Whatever I write is not meant for you anyways, bigoted hate-filled,
half-witted, homo hummel. You have proven over and over and over again that
you are brain dead, on par with wy.... You have proven yourself wrong at
every step of the way in the last two year WRT Trump.... Nobody believes you
anymore... The first thing you posted about comcast raising bills? What
cable company doesn't.... After that, I quit reading just because it is the
same ole same ole bullshit from you.... So if you reached your level of
public stupidity, try not posting anymore. Quit trolling our newsgroup, homo
hummel...Nobody cares what you say, and nobody likes a bigoted hate-filled,
half-witt, homo hummel.
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