Immigration Reform Threatens to Tear Apart the GOP

[John Manning]

FILE UNDER: Another Example of How FOX's Fringe Wingnut World is
Dividing the GOP


From the Washington Post:

The Republican political establishment sees immigration reform as a
political necessity.

Much of the party's base sees it as the end of the rule of law.

And therein lies the problem for a party trying to pick itself up off
the mat following an across-the-board defeat in 2012."

It's not clear how Republicans can bridge the growing divide between
how the establishment views immigration (a political problem that
needs to be solved yesterday) and how some significant portion of the
base views it (a foundational principle about not rewarding
rule-breakers)."

“The GOP faces a choice between the politics of math and the politics
of anecdote,” explained Glen Bolger, a prominent Republican pollster.

“The politics of math is pretty clear. The numbers of Hispanics are
growing, and politically we cannot afford to get a shrinking piece of
a growing pie.

"The politics of anecdote is that illegal immigrants are only taking
jobs, selling drugs, and joining gangs. That’s clearly not the case,
and we cannot pretend that it is.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/02/21/how-immigration-threatens-to-tear-the-gop-apart/

[Jim Dietrich]

Illegal aliens are cancer cells loose in America.

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/

[John Manning]

On 2/21/2013 7:18 PM, Jim Dietrich wrote:
> Illegal aliens are cancer cells loose in America.

Another ignorant bigoted prick. 'plonk'

[plainolamerican]

> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/02/21/how-immigra...

Immigration Reform Threatens to Tear Apart the GOP
---
good! If they won't enforce our laws they should lose political
power ... just as the dems should.

illegal immigrants are criminals and should imprisoned, forced to work
to repay their debt to our society, deported and put at the end of the
line.

we know who protects illegals ... minorities, jews, and the catholic
church.
giving aid and support to an illegal is a crime. they should be
punished.

[HHW]

On Feb 21, 3:04 pm, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:

> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/02/21/how-immigra...

History of immigration regulation in US
From Wiki:

Shortly after the U.S. Civil War, some states started to pass their
own immigration laws, which prompted the U.S. Supreme Court to rule in
1875 that immigration was a federal responsibility.[4] The Immigration
Act of 1891 established an Office of the Superintendent of Immigration
within the Treasury Department.[5] This office was responsible for
admitting, rejecting, and processing all immigrants seeking admission
to the United States and for implementing national immigration policy.
'Immigrant Inspectors', as they were called then, were stationed at
major U.S. ports of entry collecting manifests of arriving passengers.
Its largest station was located on Ellis Island in New York harbor.
Among other things, a 'head tax' of fifty cents was collected on each
immigrant.

Paralleling some current immigration concerns, in the early 1900s
Congress's primary interest in immigration was to protect American
workers and wages: the reason it had become a federal concern in the
first place. This made immigration more a matter of commerce than
revenue. In 1903, Congress transferred the Bureau of Immigration to
the newly created (now-defunct) Department of Commerce and Labor, and
on June 10, 1933 the agency was established as the Immigration and
Naturalization Service.[1]

After World War I, Congress attempted to stem the flow of immigrants,
still mainly coming from Europe, by passing a law in 1921 and the
Immigration Act of 1924 limiting the number of newcomers by assigning
a quota to each nationality based upon its representation in previous
U.S. Census figures. Each year, the U.S. State Department issued a
limited number of visas; only those immigrants who could present valid
visas were permitted entry.

There were a number of predecessor agencies to INS between 1891 and
1933. The Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) was formed in
1933 by a merger of the Bureau of Immigration and the Bureau of
Naturalization.[5]
Both those Bureaus, as well as the newly created INS, were controlled
by the Department of Labor. President Franklin Roosevelt moved the INS
from the Department of Labor to the Department of Justice in 1940.[5]

In November 1979, Attorney General Benjamin Civiletti announced that
INS raids would only take place at places of work, not at residences
where illegal immigrants were suspected to live.[6]

Someone named Dietrich in this thread calls undocumented aliens:
"cancer cells loose in America". More on that later.
.

[Killer]

AlleyCat <al...@aohell.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 19:48:55 -0300, In article
> <bs6dndrA0sXIObvMnZ2dnUVZ_h6dn...@giganews.com>, jrobe...@terra.com.br
> says...

>
>
>
> > On 2/21/2013 7:18 PM, Jim Dietrich wrote:
> > > Illegal aliens are cancer cells loose in America.
>
> > Another ignorant bigoted prick. 'plonk'
>

> Ooooh... plonk me, PLONK ME!!! Fucking dick nerd. I'm part Hispanic, and
> I say that ALL ILLEGALS SHOULD BE DEPORTED. Why should they get to stay
> when EVERYONE from Europe had to EARN their way in? It's not bigoted to
> want to keep out those that don't go through the normal channels. Sub-
> Saharan Africans have to apply and EARN their way in, why not those
> South of the border? Only pussies use that tired argument of it being a
> racial thing. How many Russians do we let cross the Atlantic or
> Cuntnadian borders to come in a suck us dry of money and jobs? Fuck off
> nerd... that racist tripe will only get your President elected, but the
> people don't want to keep paying for Mexican handouts... ALL people.


The USA is a sewer living north of a sewer.

Shit oozes from the south. The warmer the climate, the more lazy and
stupid they are.

Except for Alaska, everyone up there is dumb like Palin because they
came from the south.

Canada should shoot every Goddamn Americunt and Mexicunt who oozes
from the south, and dump the bodies in the sea.

Fuckers like you. With your shitty whiskey, crappy cigarettes and
food stamps. Your pistols that are only good within 30 metres, when
a rifle takes you out at 100.

Most of you are so stupid and fat, that you don't know how to defend
yourself without shooting up a crowd in self defense.

You hide behind the gun, and think that anyone else with one is a
paper target, that isn't going to kill you first.

And being a bunch of wide, pear shaped apes, you make excellent
targets and in Krav Maga, die like fat dogs.

[Irish Gary]

On Feb 21, 7:26 pm, AlleyCat <al...@aohell.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 19:48:55 -0300, In article
> <bs6dndrA0sXIObvMnZ2dnUVZ_h6dn...@giganews.com>, jrobe...@terra.com.br
> says...
>
>
>

> > On 2/21/2013 7:18 PM, Jim Dietrich wrote:
> > > Illegal aliens are cancer cells loose in America.
>
> > Another ignorant bigoted prick. 'plonk'
>

> Ooooh... plonk me, PLONK ME!!! Fucking dick nerd. I'm part Hispanic, and
> I say that ALL ILLEGALS SHOULD BE DEPORTED. Why should they get to stay
> when EVERYONE from Europe had to EARN their way in? It's not bigoted to
> want to keep out those that don't go through the normal channels. Sub-
> Saharan Africans have to apply and EARN their way in, why not those
> South of the border? Only pussies use that tired argument of it being a
> racial thing. How many Russians do we let cross the Atlantic or
> Cuntnadian borders to come in a suck us dry of money and jobs? Fuck off

Canadians are dying to steal American jobs. Was that before or
after your stupid "Patriots" from "The Minuteman Project" in shit hole
Red State Montana were guarding the US / Alberta border, fearing the
invasion of Canadian immigrants from North America's most robust
economy, to a crap hole state that only knows Cattle and the odd oil
strike? Albertans should have been guarding their borders with
Montana and shooting every unemployed, Minuteman asshole from Montana
who tried to run north!

Pretending that Canadians were like the scum from your southern
border?

It doesn't matter where you live in the USA, you are a genuine,
ignorant Hillbilly.

Our right wing is still left of your Democrats. But only because
you live in a nation where things are so fucked up, that you lose
perspective! Take away those great jobs provided by the military
bases or the agricultural subsidies, and you right wingers go
nuts! Sucking at the teat of the US taxpayer, all while
pretending to be Objectivists, worshiping Ayn Rand. Rand, the one
who ended up sucking from Medicare when she faced Cancer and her books
weren't covering the bills! Hell, she didn't want to spend the money!

[Dakota]

On 2/21/2013 4:18 PM, Jim Dietrich wrote:
> Illegal aliens are cancer cells loose in America.
>
> http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/
>

A white supremacist website is a gathering of failures who are looking
for someone else to blame.

[Dakota]

On 2/21/2013 9:31 PM, HHW wrote:
> On Feb 21, 3:04 pm, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>> FILE UNDER: Another Example of How FOX's Fringe Wingnut World is
>> Dividing the GOP
>>
>> From the Washington Post:
>>
>> The Republican political establishment sees immigration reform as a
>> political necessity.
>>
>> Much of the party's base sees it as the end of the rule of law.
>>
>> And therein lies the problem for a party trying to pick itself up off
>> the mat following an across-the-board defeat in 2012."
>>
>> It's not clear how Republicans can bridge the growing divide between
>> how the establishment views immigration (a political problem that
>> needs to be solved yesterday) and how some significant portion of the
>> base views it (a foundational principle about not rewarding
>> rule-breakers)."
>>

>> �The GOP faces a choice between the politics of math and the politics
>> of anecdote,� explained Glen Bolger, a prominent Republican pollster.
>>
>> �The politics of math is pretty clear. The numbers of Hispanics are

>> growing, and politically we cannot afford to get a shrinking piece of
>> a growing pie.
>>
>> "The politics of anecdote is that illegal immigrants are only taking

>> jobs, selling drugs, and joining gangs. That�s clearly not the case,
>> and we cannot pretend that it is.�

There were signs of progress until you mentioned Dietrich. He's
definitely a throwback.

[plainolamerican]

--
and now we have pricks in the white house forcing DHS to ignore
federal laws.
know the enemy.

[HHW]

On Feb 21, 9:31 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Feb 21, 9:31 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Some Dietrich in this thread calls undocumented aliens:

> "cancer cells loose in America". More on that later.

Virtually all aliens were undocumented prior to 1891. And regardless
of documentation their numbers were not limited until 1924. By then
the core population which engendered the "Greatest Generation" was
already in place. It can not be said that they were "cancer cells
loose in America". This filthy talk by yet another generation of
fearful 'nativists' has been with us since before the Know Nothings of
the 19th Century despite the fact that America has benefitted and
grown stronger from every new wave of immigration since the 18th
Century. Its continuation frightens only the weak and ignorant, those
of us lacking self-confidence.

[HHW]

On Feb 22, 7:50 am, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/21/2013 9:31 PM, HHW wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 21, 3:04 pm, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> >> FILE UNDER: Another Example of How FOX's Fringe Wingnut World is
> >> Dividing the GOP
>
> >>   From the Washington Post:
>
> >>     The Republican political establishment sees immigration reform as a
> >>     political necessity.
>
> >>     Much of the party's base sees it as the end of the rule of law.
>
> >>     And therein lies the problem for a party trying to pick itself up off
> >>     the mat following an across-the-board defeat in 2012."
>
> >>     It's not clear how Republicans can bridge the growing divide between
> >>     how the establishment views immigration (a political problem that
> >>     needs to be solved yesterday) and how some significant portion of the
> >>     base views it (a foundational principle about not rewarding
> >>     rule-breakers)."
>

> >>     The GOP faces a choice between the politics of math and the politics

> >>     of anecdote, explained Glen Bolger, a prominent Republican pollster.

>
> >>     The politics of math is pretty clear. The numbers of Hispanics are
> >>     growing, and politically we cannot afford to get a shrinking piece of
> >>     a growing pie.
>
> >>     "The politics of anecdote is that illegal immigrants are only taking

> >>     jobs, selling drugs, and joining gangs. That s clearly not the case,

> >>     and we cannot pretend that it is.
>

He's terrified of having to compete with a new population which are
simply a better class of people. It's somewhat Darwinin.

[HHW]

> simply a better class of people. It's somewhat Darwinian.