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David Hartung
May 27, 2023, 11:59:23 AM5/27/23
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https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board-asks-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
[...]
A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the local
school board to lease space at a high school for worship services, but
the school board appeared to apply a religious test to the church and
negotiations fell through. Now, the church is suing.
“Public institutions that seek to lease their facilities for revenue
should not be able to discriminate based on religious or political
conviction,” Mariah Gondeiro, vice president and legal counsel of
Advocates for Faith & Freedom, the law firm representing the church,
said in a press release exclusively provided first to The Daily Signal.
[...]
Assuming that the church's claim is accurate, I agree, the renting of
public facilities should not be predicated on religious beliefs. However
the cynic in me compels me to wonder how this would apply to a political
organization which calls for the overthrow of our nation's constitution.
[...]
A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the local
school board to lease space at a high school for worship services, but
the school board appeared to apply a religious test to the church and
negotiations fell through. Now, the church is suing.
“Public institutions that seek to lease their facilities for revenue
should not be able to discriminate based on religious or political
conviction,” Mariah Gondeiro, vice president and legal counsel of
Advocates for Faith & Freedom, the law firm representing the church,
said in a press release exclusively provided first to The Daily Signal.
[...]
Assuming that the church's claim is accurate, I agree, the renting of
public facilities should not be predicated on religious beliefs. However
the cynic in me compels me to wonder how this would apply to a political
organization which calls for the overthrow of our nation's constitution.
Mitchell Holman
May 27, 2023, 2:33:40 PM5/27/23
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David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
news:8-Scnbm17e0fte_5...@giganews.com:
> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board-ask
lease public property. It has no RIGHT
to the property. How do you sue over
something you have no right to?
news:8-Scnbm17e0fte_5...@giganews.com:
> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board-ask
> s-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
> [...]
> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the local
> school board to lease space at a high school for worship services, but
> the school board appeared to apply a religious test to the church and
> negotiations fell through. Now, the church is suing.
>
> “Public institutions that seek to lease their facilities for revenue
> should not be able to discriminate based on religious or political
> conviction,” Mariah Gondeiro, vice president and legal counsel of
> Advocates for Faith & Freedom, the law firm representing the church,
> said in a press release exclusively provided first to The Daily
> Signal. [...]
>
The private church is wanting to
> [...]
> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the local
> school board to lease space at a high school for worship services, but
> the school board appeared to apply a religious test to the church and
> negotiations fell through. Now, the church is suing.
>
> “Public institutions that seek to lease their facilities for revenue
> should not be able to discriminate based on religious or political
> conviction,” Mariah Gondeiro, vice president and legal counsel of
> Advocates for Faith & Freedom, the law firm representing the church,
> said in a press release exclusively provided first to The Daily
> Signal. [...]
>
lease public property. It has no RIGHT
to the property. How do you sue over
something you have no right to?
Siri Cruise
May 27, 2023, 7:02:31 PM5/27/23
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so everyone believes you this church calls for the overthrow of
our nation's constitution. Or are you going to clean this up?
--
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David Hartung
May 27, 2023, 8:00:58 PM5/27/23
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On 5/27/23 18:00, Siri Cruise wrote:
> David Hartung wrote:
>> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board-asks-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
>> [...]
>> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the local
>> school board to lease space at a high school for worship services, but
>> the school board appeared to apply a religious test to the church and
>> negotiations fell through. Now, the church is suing.
>>
>> “Public institutions that seek to lease their facilities for revenue
>> should not be able to discriminate based on religious or political
>> conviction,” Mariah Gondeiro, vice president and legal counsel of
>> Advocates for Faith & Freedom, the law firm representing the church,
>> said in a press release exclusively provided first to The Daily Signal.
>> [...]
>>
>> Assuming that the church's claim is accurate, I agree, the renting of
>> public facilities should not be predicated on religious beliefs.
>> However the cynic in me compels me to wonder how this would apply to a
>> political organization which calls for the overthrow of our nation's
>> constitution.
>
> Are you just getting leave that innuendo polluting the public pool so
> everyone believes you this church calls for the overthrow of our
> nation's constitution. Or are you going to clean this up?
Only a fool would think that I am claiming that the church calls for the
> David Hartung wrote:
>> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board-asks-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
>> [...]
>> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the local
>> school board to lease space at a high school for worship services, but
>> the school board appeared to apply a religious test to the church and
>> negotiations fell through. Now, the church is suing.
>>
>> “Public institutions that seek to lease their facilities for revenue
>> should not be able to discriminate based on religious or political
>> conviction,” Mariah Gondeiro, vice president and legal counsel of
>> Advocates for Faith & Freedom, the law firm representing the church,
>> said in a press release exclusively provided first to The Daily Signal.
>> [...]
>>
>> Assuming that the church's claim is accurate, I agree, the renting of
>> public facilities should not be predicated on religious beliefs.
>> However the cynic in me compels me to wonder how this would apply to a
>> political organization which calls for the overthrow of our nation's
>> constitution.
>
> Are you just getting leave that innuendo polluting the public pool so
> everyone believes you this church calls for the overthrow of our
> nation's constitution. Or are you going to clean this up?
overthrow of the Constitution.
David Hartung
May 27, 2023, 8:01:00 PM5/27/23
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On 5/27/23 13:31, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
> news:8-Scnbm17e0fte_5...@giganews.com:
>
>> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board-ask
>> s-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
>> [...]
>> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the local
>> school board to lease space at a high school for worship services, but
>> the school board appeared to apply a religious test to the church and
>> negotiations fell through. Now, the church is suing.
>>
>> “Public institutions that seek to lease their facilities for revenue
>> should not be able to discriminate based on religious or political
>> conviction,” Mariah Gondeiro, vice president and legal counsel of
>> Advocates for Faith & Freedom, the law firm representing the church,
>> said in a press release exclusively provided first to The Daily
>> Signal. [...]
>>
>
> The private church is wanting to
> lease public property. It has no RIGHT
> to the property. How do you sue over
> something you have no right to?
At the same time, the school board has no right to use religious
> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
> news:8-Scnbm17e0fte_5...@giganews.com:
>
>> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board-ask
>> s-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
>> [...]
>> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the local
>> school board to lease space at a high school for worship services, but
>> the school board appeared to apply a religious test to the church and
>> negotiations fell through. Now, the church is suing.
>>
>> “Public institutions that seek to lease their facilities for revenue
>> should not be able to discriminate based on religious or political
>> conviction,” Mariah Gondeiro, vice president and legal counsel of
>> Advocates for Faith & Freedom, the law firm representing the church,
>> said in a press release exclusively provided first to The Daily
>> Signal. [...]
>>
>
> The private church is wanting to
> lease public property. It has no RIGHT
> to the property. How do you sue over
> something you have no right to?
teachings as a reason to deny the lease.
Mitchell Holman
May 27, 2023, 9:59:33 PM5/27/23
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David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in news:R_Scnci0ab3fBO_
5nZ2dnZf...@giganews.com:
What makes you think they NEED a reason?
5nZ2dnZf...@giganews.com:
Siri Cruise
May 28, 2023, 3:11:48 AM5/28/23
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Mitchell Holman wrote:
> The private church is wanting to
> lease public property. It has no RIGHT
> to the property. How do you sue over
> something you have no right to?
Under the first amendment if the school rents to any 508c
> The private church is wanting to
> lease public property. It has no RIGHT
> to the property. How do you sue over
> something you have no right to?
organisation it has to rent to all equally.
Sorry, kid, I know how you lie about religion, but you're lying again.
Siri Cruise
May 28, 2023, 3:14:22 AM5/28/23
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Mitchell Holman wrote:
> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in news:R_Scnci0ab3fBO_
> 5nZ2dnZf...@giganews.com:
>
>> On 5/27/23 13:31, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
>>> news:8-Scnbm17e0fte_5...@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board-ask
>>>> s-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
>>>> [...]
>>>> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the local
>>>> school board to lease space at a high school for worship services, but
>>>> the school board appeared to apply a religious test to the church and
>>>> negotiations fell through. Now, the church is suing.
>>>>
>>>> “Public institutions that seek to lease their facilities for revenue
> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in news:R_Scnci0ab3fBO_
> 5nZ2dnZf...@giganews.com:
>
>> On 5/27/23 13:31, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
>>> news:8-Scnbm17e0fte_5...@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board-ask
>>>> s-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
>>>> [...]
>>>> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the local
>>>> school board to lease space at a high school for worship services, but
>>>> the school board appeared to apply a religious test to the church and
>>>> negotiations fell through. Now, the church is suing.
>>>>
>>>> should not be able to discriminate based on religious or political
>>>> conviction,†Mariah Gondeiro, vice president and legal counsel of
>>>> Advocates for Faith & Freedom, the law firm representing the church,
>>>> said in a press release exclusively provided first to The Daily
>>>> Signal. [...]
>>>>
>>>
>>> The private church is wanting to
>>> lease public property. It has no RIGHT
>>> to the property. How do you sue over
>>> something you have no right to?
>>
>> At the same time, the school board has no right to use religious
>> teachings as a reason to deny the lease.
>>
>>
>
> What makes you think they NEED a reason?
They need a reason to select whom they rent to if they rent to any.
>>>> said in a press release exclusively provided first to The Daily
>>>> Signal. [...]
>>>>
>>>
>>> The private church is wanting to
>>> lease public property. It has no RIGHT
>>> to the property. How do you sue over
>>> something you have no right to?
>>
>> At the same time, the school board has no right to use religious
>> teachings as a reason to deny the lease.
>>
>>
>
> What makes you think they NEED a reason?
Idiot. This the same crap you get wrong all the time. If a schools
allows any religion oriented club on school grounds, it has to
allow all equally. Just like if a city allows any religion's
christmas display it has to allow all equally.
Siri Cruise
May 28, 2023, 3:15:57 AM5/28/23
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David Hartung
May 28, 2023, 6:16:16 AM5/28/23
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facilities to those in the community may reject any tenant they wish,
including religion, but a baker of custom baked goods may not cite moral
differences in a refusal to produce a custom cake. Is that correct?
Mitchell Holman
May 28, 2023, 9:08:40 AM5/28/23
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Siri Cruise <chine...@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
news:u4uv0b$pdcj$2...@dont-email.me:
A simple "no" to a church wanting to
rent school property is enough.
> Idiot. This the same crap you get wrong all the time. If a schools
> allows any religion oriented club on school grounds, it has to
> allow all equally.
What does renting school grounds to a
church have to with school clubs?
news:u4uv0b$pdcj$2...@dont-email.me:
rent school property is enough.
> Idiot. This the same crap you get wrong all the time. If a schools
> allows any religion oriented club on school grounds, it has to
> allow all equally.
church have to with school clubs?
Siri Cruise
May 28, 2023, 9:16:13 AM5/28/23
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David Hartung wrote:
>
> Tell me if I have this correct. A public school which rents out
> school facilities to those in the community may reject any tenant
> they wish, including religion, but a baker of custom baked goods
> may not cite moral differences in a refusal to produce a custom
> cake. Is that correct?
Different legal regimes. One is constitutional restrictions on
>
> Tell me if I have this correct. A public school which rents out
> school facilities to those in the community may reject any tenant
> they wish, including religion, but a baker of custom baked goods
> may not cite moral differences in a refusal to produce a custom
> cake. Is that correct?
government and other is rooted in common law public accomodation
and common carrier.
Mitchell Holman
May 28, 2023, 9:16:42 AM5/28/23
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David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
news:jPWdnUmUUad-tO75...@giganews.com:
Here is the point you always miss.
The bakers were BREAKING THE LAW.
They were cited for breaking the law.
Don't you believe in upholding the law?
https://www2.cbn.com/news/us/christian-baker-fined-135000-refusing-make-
gay-wedding-cake-new-mission
https://www.opb.org/article/2022/07/12/penalty-for-oregon-bakers-who-
refused-to-serve-same-sex-couple-cut-by-100000/
Mitchell Holman
May 28, 2023, 9:17:52 AM5/28/23
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Siri Cruise <chine...@www.yahoo.com> wrote in news:u4uunt$pcie$2@dont-
email.me:
> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> The private church is wanting to
>> lease public property. It has no RIGHT
>> to the property. How do you sue over
>> something you have no right to?
>
> Under the first amendment if the school rents to any 508c
> organisation it has to rent to all equally.
>
Show us where the school district had
rented out land to other charities.
email.me:
> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> The private church is wanting to
>> lease public property. It has no RIGHT
>> to the property. How do you sue over
>> something you have no right to?
>
> Under the first amendment if the school rents to any 508c
> organisation it has to rent to all equally.
>
rented out land to other charities.
Siri Cruise
May 28, 2023, 9:47:02 AM5/28/23
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Mitchell Holman wrote:
> A simple "no" to a church wanting to
> rent school property is enough.
>
And that's a no to all 508c corporations.
> A simple "no" to a church wanting to
> rent school property is enough.
>
David Hartung
May 28, 2023, 10:18:46 AM5/28/23
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Mitchell Holman
May 28, 2023, 10:31:58 AM5/28/23
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David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in news:2h6cnaQxcu9d_-
75nZ2dnZf...@giganews.com:
That is what YOU have been claiming for years.
"The idiots violated the law, they got caught and
now will have to pay the penalty. Problem dealt with."
David Hartung, Nov 3 2015
http://tinyurl.com/q4wnkgx
"All crime is morally wrong."
David Hartung, Aug 18, 2007.
"The Bible commands us to obey the civil authorities."
David Hartung, 1/22/08.
75nZ2dnZf...@giganews.com:
"The idiots violated the law, they got caught and
now will have to pay the penalty. Problem dealt with."
David Hartung, Nov 3 2015
http://tinyurl.com/q4wnkgx
"All crime is morally wrong."
David Hartung, Aug 18, 2007.
"The Bible commands us to obey the civil authorities."
David Hartung, 1/22/08.
NoBody
May 28, 2023, 12:33:36 PM5/28/23
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On Sun, 28 May 2023 01:59:26 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in news:R_Scnci0ab3fBO_
>5nZ2dnZf...@giganews.com:
>
>> On 5/27/23 13:31, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
>>> news:8-Scnbm17e0fte_5...@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board-ask
>>>> s-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
>>>> [...]
>>>> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the local
>>>> school board to lease space at a high school for worship services, but
>>>> the school board appeared to apply a religious test to the church and
>>>> negotiations fell through. Now, the church is suing.
>>>>
>>>> “Public institutions that seek to lease their facilities for revenue
>>>> should not be able to discriminate based on religious or political
>>>> conviction,�€? Mariah Gondeiro, vice president and legal counsel of
<noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in news:R_Scnci0ab3fBO_
>5nZ2dnZf...@giganews.com:
>
>> On 5/27/23 13:31, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
>>> news:8-Scnbm17e0fte_5...@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board-ask
>>>> s-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
>>>> [...]
>>>> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the local
>>>> school board to lease space at a high school for worship services, but
>>>> the school board appeared to apply a religious test to the church and
>>>> negotiations fell through. Now, the church is suing.
>>>>
>>>> “Public institutions that seek to lease their facilities for revenue
>>>> should not be able to discriminate based on religious or political
>>>> Advocates for Faith & Freedom, the law firm representing the church,
>>>> said in a press release exclusively provided first to The Daily
>>>> Signal. [...]
>>>>
>>>
>>> The private church is wanting to
>>> lease public property. It has no RIGHT
>>> to the property. How do you sue over
>>> something you have no right to?
>>
>> At the same time, the school board has no right to use religious
>> teachings as a reason to deny the lease.
>>
>>
>
> What makes you think they NEED a reason?
>
>
>
They already provided the reason which is unconstitutional...duh.
>>>> said in a press release exclusively provided first to The Daily
>>>> Signal. [...]
>>>>
>>>
>>> The private church is wanting to
>>> lease public property. It has no RIGHT
>>> to the property. How do you sue over
>>> something you have no right to?
>>
>> At the same time, the school board has no right to use religious
>> teachings as a reason to deny the lease.
>>
>>
>
> What makes you think they NEED a reason?
>
>
>
NoBody
May 28, 2023, 12:34:07 PM5/28/23
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On Sat, 27 May 2023 10:57:53 -0500, David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com>
wrote:
This *should* be a no brainer. The school clearly broke the law.
wrote:
NoBody
May 28, 2023, 12:34:36 PM5/28/23
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On Sat, 27 May 2023 18:31:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
>news:8-Scnbm17e0fte_5...@giganews.com:
>
>> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board-ask
>> s-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
>> [...]
>> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the local
>> school board to lease space at a high school for worship services, but
>> the school board appeared to apply a religious test to the church and
>> negotiations fell through. Now, the church is suing.
>>
>> “Public institutions that seek to lease their facilities for revenue
>> should not be able to discriminate based on religious or political
>> conviction,�€? Mariah Gondeiro, vice president and legal counsel of
<noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
>news:8-Scnbm17e0fte_5...@giganews.com:
>
>> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board-ask
>> s-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
>> [...]
>> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the local
>> school board to lease space at a high school for worship services, but
>> the school board appeared to apply a religious test to the church and
>> negotiations fell through. Now, the church is suing.
>>
>> “Public institutions that seek to lease their facilities for revenue
>> should not be able to discriminate based on religious or political
>> Advocates for Faith & Freedom, the law firm representing the church,
>> said in a press release exclusively provided first to The Daily
>> Signal. [...]
>>
>
> The private church is wanting to
>lease public property. It has no RIGHT
>to the property. How do you sue over
>something you have no right to?
>
Mitchie doesn't appear to understand basic law...
>> said in a press release exclusively provided first to The Daily
>> Signal. [...]
>>
>
> The private church is wanting to
>lease public property. It has no RIGHT
>to the property. How do you sue over
>something you have no right to?
>
NoBody
May 28, 2023, 12:36:59 PM5/28/23
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On Sun, 28 May 2023 09:18:40 -0500, David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com>
wrote:
Don't let Mtichie evade the original subject. The school violated the
US Constitution. End of story.
wrote:
US Constitution. End of story.
KKKlaun SchittenPantzen, fake Jew
May 28, 2023, 12:49:32 PM5/28/23
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Josh Rosenbluth
May 28, 2023, 1:37:24 PM5/28/23
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government cannot favor one viewpoint over another when it provides
access to school grounds by clubs or facilities it rents.
David Hartung
May 28, 2023, 1:52:36 PM5/28/23
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KKKlaun SchittenPantzen, fake Jew
May 28, 2023, 2:03:31 PM5/28/23
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that he's saying.
David Hartung
May 28, 2023, 2:20:27 PM5/28/23
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seem to have reading comprehension issues.
KKKlaun SchittenPantzen, fake Jew
May 28, 2023, 2:44:11 PM5/28/23
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"but from it is you and Holman..." That's not English.
David Hartung
May 28, 2023, 5:53:01 PM5/28/23
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Governor Swill
May 28, 2023, 6:36:24 PM5/28/23
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On Sun, 28 May 2023 10:36:09 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>On 5/28/2023 6:08 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Siri Cruise <chine...@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:u4uv0b$pdcj$2...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in news:R_Scnci0ab3fBO_
>>>> 5nZ2dnZf...@giganews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/27/23 13:31, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:8-Scnbm17e0fte_5...@giganews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board
>>>>>>> -ask
>>>>>>> s-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the
>>>>>>> local school board to lease space at a high school for worship
>>>>>>> services, but the school board appeared to apply a religious test
>>>>>>> to the church and negotiations fell through. Now, the church is
>>>>>>> suing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “Public institutions that seek to lease their facilities for
>>>>>>> revenue should not be able to discriminate based on religious or
>>>>>>> political conviction,� Mariah Gondeiro, vice president and
>On 5/28/2023 6:08 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Siri Cruise <chine...@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:u4uv0b$pdcj$2...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in news:R_Scnci0ab3fBO_
>>>> 5nZ2dnZf...@giganews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/27/23 13:31, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:8-Scnbm17e0fte_5...@giganews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board
>>>>>>> -ask
>>>>>>> s-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the
>>>>>>> local school board to lease space at a high school for worship
>>>>>>> services, but the school board appeared to apply a religious test
>>>>>>> to the church and negotiations fell through. Now, the church is
>>>>>>> suing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “Public institutions that seek to lease their facilities for
>>>>>>> revenue should not be able to discriminate based on religious or
>>>>>>> legal counsel of Advocates for Faith & Freedom, the law firm
>>>>>>> representing the church, said in a press release exclusively
>>>>>>> provided first to The Daily Signal. [...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The private church is wanting to
>>>>>> lease public property. It has no RIGHT
>>>>>> to the property. How do you sue over
>>>>>> something you have no right to?
>>>>>
>>>>> At the same time, the school board has no right to use religious
>>>>> teachings as a reason to deny the lease.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What makes you think they NEED a reason?
>>>
>>> They need a reason to select whom they rent to if they rent to any.
>>
>> A simple "no" to a church wanting to
>> rent school property is enough.
>>
>>> Idiot. This the same crap you get wrong all the time. If a schools
>>> allows any religion oriented club on school grounds, it has to
>>> allow all equally.
>>
>>
>> What does renting school grounds to a
>> church have to with school clubs?
>
>Both are examples of unconstitutional viewpoint discrimination. The
>government cannot favor one viewpoint over another when it provides
>access to school grounds by clubs or facilities it rents.
So, if a school rents out it's auditorium to a local 4H club, they also have to rent it
>>>>>>> representing the church, said in a press release exclusively
>>>>>>> provided first to The Daily Signal. [...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The private church is wanting to
>>>>>> lease public property. It has no RIGHT
>>>>>> to the property. How do you sue over
>>>>>> something you have no right to?
>>>>>
>>>>> At the same time, the school board has no right to use religious
>>>>> teachings as a reason to deny the lease.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What makes you think they NEED a reason?
>>>
>>> They need a reason to select whom they rent to if they rent to any.
>>
>> A simple "no" to a church wanting to
>> rent school property is enough.
>>
>>> Idiot. This the same crap you get wrong all the time. If a schools
>>> allows any religion oriented club on school grounds, it has to
>>> allow all equally.
>>
>>
>> What does renting school grounds to a
>> church have to with school clubs?
>
>Both are examples of unconstitutional viewpoint discrimination. The
>government cannot favor one viewpoint over another when it provides
>access to school grounds by clubs or facilities it rents.
out to the local Mob?
Swill
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activities or has been previously convicted of a crime.
Lou Bricano
May 28, 2023, 8:08:44 PM5/28/23
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NoBody
May 29, 2023, 10:25:32 AM5/29/23
to
>On 5/28/2023 6:08 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Siri Cruise <chine...@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:u4uv0b$pdcj$2...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in news:R_Scnci0ab3fBO_
>>>> 5nZ2dnZf...@giganews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/27/23 13:31, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:8-Scnbm17e0fte_5...@giganews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board
>>>>>>> -ask
>>>>>>> s-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the
>>>>>>> local school board to lease space at a high school for worship
>>>>>>> services, but the school board appeared to apply a religious test
>>>>>>> to the church and negotiations fell through. Now, the church is
>>>>>>> suing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “Public institutions that seek to lease their facilities for
>> Siri Cruise <chine...@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:u4uv0b$pdcj$2...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in news:R_Scnci0ab3fBO_
>>>> 5nZ2dnZf...@giganews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/27/23 13:31, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:8-Scnbm17e0fte_5...@giganews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board
>>>>>>> -ask
>>>>>>> s-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the
>>>>>>> local school board to lease space at a high school for worship
>>>>>>> services, but the school board appeared to apply a religious test
>>>>>>> to the church and negotiations fell through. Now, the church is
>>>>>>> suing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> revenue should not be able to discriminate based on religious or
>>>>>>> political conviction,�€? Mariah Gondeiro, vice president and
>>>>>>> legal counsel of Advocates for Faith & Freedom, the law firm
>>>>>>> representing the church, said in a press release exclusively
>>>>>>> provided first to The Daily Signal. [...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The private church is wanting to
>>>>>> lease public property. It has no RIGHT
>>>>>> to the property. How do you sue over
>>>>>> something you have no right to?
>>>>>
>>>>> At the same time, the school board has no right to use religious
>>>>> teachings as a reason to deny the lease.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What makes you think they NEED a reason?
>>>
>>> They need a reason to select whom they rent to if they rent to any.
>>
>> A simple "no" to a church wanting to
>> rent school property is enough.
>>
>>> Idiot. This the same crap you get wrong all the time. If a schools
>>> allows any religion oriented club on school grounds, it has to
>>> allow all equally.
>>
>>
>> What does renting school grounds to a
>> church have to with school clubs?
>
>Both are examples of unconstitutional viewpoint discrimination. The
>government cannot favor one viewpoint over another when it provides
>access to school grounds by clubs or facilities it rents.
And Josh finally gets one right.
>>>>>>> representing the church, said in a press release exclusively
>>>>>>> provided first to The Daily Signal. [...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The private church is wanting to
>>>>>> lease public property. It has no RIGHT
>>>>>> to the property. How do you sue over
>>>>>> something you have no right to?
>>>>>
>>>>> At the same time, the school board has no right to use religious
>>>>> teachings as a reason to deny the lease.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What makes you think they NEED a reason?
>>>
>>> They need a reason to select whom they rent to if they rent to any.
>>
>> A simple "no" to a church wanting to
>> rent school property is enough.
>>
>>> Idiot. This the same crap you get wrong all the time. If a schools
>>> allows any religion oriented club on school grounds, it has to
>>> allow all equally.
>>
>>
>> What does renting school grounds to a
>> church have to with school clubs?
>
>Both are examples of unconstitutional viewpoint discrimination. The
>government cannot favor one viewpoint over another when it provides
>access to school grounds by clubs or facilities it rents.
NoBody
May 29, 2023, 10:26:13 AM5/29/23
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On Sun, 28 May 2023 18:36:19 -0400, Governor Swill
<governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 28 May 2023 10:36:09 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>On 5/28/2023 6:08 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Siri Cruise <chine...@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>> news:u4uv0b$pdcj$2...@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in news:R_Scnci0ab3fBO_
>>>>> 5nZ2dnZf...@giganews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/27/23 13:31, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:8-Scnbm17e0fte_5...@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board
>>>>>>>> -ask
>>>>>>>> s-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the
>>>>>>>> local school board to lease space at a high school for worship
>>>>>>>> services, but the school board appeared to apply a religious test
>>>>>>>> to the church and negotiations fell through. Now, the church is
>>>>>>>> suing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> “Public institutions that seek to lease their facilities for
<governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 28 May 2023 10:36:09 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>On 5/28/2023 6:08 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Siri Cruise <chine...@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>> news:u4uv0b$pdcj$2...@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in news:R_Scnci0ab3fBO_
>>>>> 5nZ2dnZf...@giganews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/27/23 13:31, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:8-Scnbm17e0fte_5...@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board
>>>>>>>> -ask
>>>>>>>> s-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the
>>>>>>>> local school board to lease space at a high school for worship
>>>>>>>> services, but the school board appeared to apply a religious test
>>>>>>>> to the church and negotiations fell through. Now, the church is
>>>>>>>> suing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> revenue should not be able to discriminate based on religious or
>>>>>>>> political conviction,�€? Mariah Gondeiro, vice president and
>>>>>>>> legal counsel of Advocates for Faith & Freedom, the law firm
>>>>>>>> representing the church, said in a press release exclusively
>>>>>>>> provided first to The Daily Signal. [...]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The private church is wanting to
>>>>>>> lease public property. It has no RIGHT
>>>>>>> to the property. How do you sue over
>>>>>>> something you have no right to?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the same time, the school board has no right to use religious
>>>>>> teachings as a reason to deny the lease.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What makes you think they NEED a reason?
>>>>
>>>> They need a reason to select whom they rent to if they rent to any.
>>>
>>> A simple "no" to a church wanting to
>>> rent school property is enough.
>>>
>>>> Idiot. This the same crap you get wrong all the time. If a schools
>>>> allows any religion oriented club on school grounds, it has to
>>>> allow all equally.
>>>
>>>
>>> What does renting school grounds to a
>>> church have to with school clubs?
>>
>>Both are examples of unconstitutional viewpoint discrimination. The
>>government cannot favor one viewpoint over another when it provides
>>access to school grounds by clubs or facilities it rents.
>
>So, if a school rents out it's auditorium to a local 4H club, they also have to rent it
>out to the local Mob?
>
Who said anything about the Mob?
>>>>>>>> representing the church, said in a press release exclusively
>>>>>>>> provided first to The Daily Signal. [...]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The private church is wanting to
>>>>>>> lease public property. It has no RIGHT
>>>>>>> to the property. How do you sue over
>>>>>>> something you have no right to?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the same time, the school board has no right to use religious
>>>>>> teachings as a reason to deny the lease.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What makes you think they NEED a reason?
>>>>
>>>> They need a reason to select whom they rent to if they rent to any.
>>>
>>> A simple "no" to a church wanting to
>>> rent school property is enough.
>>>
>>>> Idiot. This the same crap you get wrong all the time. If a schools
>>>> allows any religion oriented club on school grounds, it has to
>>>> allow all equally.
>>>
>>>
>>> What does renting school grounds to a
>>> church have to with school clubs?
>>
>>Both are examples of unconstitutional viewpoint discrimination. The
>>government cannot favor one viewpoint over another when it provides
>>access to school grounds by clubs or facilities it rents.
>
>So, if a school rents out it's auditorium to a local 4H club, they also have to rent it
>out to the local Mob?
>
Yet another reason you aren't taken seriously.
>Swill
Josh Rosenbluth
May 29, 2023, 11:35:12 AM5/29/23
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On 5/29/2023 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Sun, 28 May 2023 10:36:09 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/28/2023 6:08 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Siri Cruise <chine...@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>> news:u4uv0b$pdcj$2...@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in news:R_Scnci0ab3fBO_
>>>>> 5nZ2dnZf...@giganews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/27/23 13:31, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:8-Scnbm17e0fte_5...@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board
>>>>>>>> -ask
>>>>>>>> s-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the
>>>>>>>> local school board to lease space at a high school for worship
>>>>>>>> services, but the school board appeared to apply a religious test
>>>>>>>> to the church and negotiations fell through. Now, the church is
>>>>>>>> suing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> “Public institutions that seek to lease their facilities for
> On Sun, 28 May 2023 10:36:09 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/28/2023 6:08 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Siri Cruise <chine...@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>> news:u4uv0b$pdcj$2...@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in news:R_Scnci0ab3fBO_
>>>>> 5nZ2dnZf...@giganews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/27/23 13:31, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:8-Scnbm17e0fte_5...@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board
>>>>>>>> -ask
>>>>>>>> s-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the
>>>>>>>> local school board to lease space at a high school for worship
>>>>>>>> services, but the school board appeared to apply a religious test
>>>>>>>> to the church and negotiations fell through. Now, the church is
>>>>>>>> suing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> revenue should not be able to discriminate based on religious or
>>>>>>>> political conviction,� Mariah Gondeiro, vice president and
>>>>>>>> legal counsel of Advocates for Faith & Freedom, the law firm
>>>>>>>> representing the church, said in a press release exclusively
>>>>>>>> provided first to The Daily Signal. [...]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The private church is wanting to
>>>>>>> lease public property. It has no RIGHT
>>>>>>> to the property. How do you sue over
>>>>>>> something you have no right to?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the same time, the school board has no right to use religious
>>>>>> teachings as a reason to deny the lease.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What makes you think they NEED a reason?
>>>>
>>>> They need a reason to select whom they rent to if they rent to any.
>>>
>>> A simple "no" to a church wanting to
>>> rent school property is enough.
>>>
>>>> Idiot. This the same crap you get wrong all the time. If a schools
>>>> allows any religion oriented club on school grounds, it has to
>>>> allow all equally.
>>>
>>>
>>> What does renting school grounds to a
>>> church have to with school clubs?
>>
>> Both are examples of unconstitutional viewpoint discrimination. The
>> government cannot favor one viewpoint over another when it provides
>> access to school grounds by clubs or facilities it rents.
>
> And Josh finally gets one right.
Funny thing. It seems I am right when I agree with you and wrong when I
>>>>>>>> representing the church, said in a press release exclusively
>>>>>>>> provided first to The Daily Signal. [...]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The private church is wanting to
>>>>>>> lease public property. It has no RIGHT
>>>>>>> to the property. How do you sue over
>>>>>>> something you have no right to?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the same time, the school board has no right to use religious
>>>>>> teachings as a reason to deny the lease.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What makes you think they NEED a reason?
>>>>
>>>> They need a reason to select whom they rent to if they rent to any.
>>>
>>> A simple "no" to a church wanting to
>>> rent school property is enough.
>>>
>>>> Idiot. This the same crap you get wrong all the time. If a schools
>>>> allows any religion oriented club on school grounds, it has to
>>>> allow all equally.
>>>
>>>
>>> What does renting school grounds to a
>>> church have to with school clubs?
>>
>> Both are examples of unconstitutional viewpoint discrimination. The
>> government cannot favor one viewpoint over another when it provides
>> access to school grounds by clubs or facilities it rents.
>
> And Josh finally gets one right.
don't. What do we call a person who has that criterion for "right"?
NoBody
May 30, 2023, 7:11:31 AM5/30/23
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On Mon, 29 May 2023 08:35:07 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
defend his position is more likely to be "right". Take the last
thread for example. I provided facts and citation and you spend the
time deflecting and refuted nothing until you quit.
Hope that clears it up for you.
<no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>On 5/29/2023 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 May 2023 10:36:09 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/28/2023 6:08 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Siri Cruise <chine...@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>> news:u4uv0b$pdcj$2...@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in news:R_Scnci0ab3fBO_
>>>>>> 5nZ2dnZf...@giganews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/27/23 13:31, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:8-Scnbm17e0fte_5...@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board
>>>>>>>>> -ask
>>>>>>>>> s-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the
>>>>>>>>> local school board to lease space at a high school for worship
>>>>>>>>> services, but the school board appeared to apply a religious test
>>>>>>>>> to the church and negotiations fell through. Now, the church is
>>>>>>>>> suing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> “Public institutions that seek to lease their facilities for
>On 5/29/2023 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 May 2023 10:36:09 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/28/2023 6:08 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Siri Cruise <chine...@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>> news:u4uv0b$pdcj$2...@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in news:R_Scnci0ab3fBO_
>>>>>> 5nZ2dnZf...@giganews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/27/23 13:31, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:8-Scnbm17e0fte_5...@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board
>>>>>>>>> -ask
>>>>>>>>> s-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the
>>>>>>>>> local school board to lease space at a high school for worship
>>>>>>>>> services, but the school board appeared to apply a religious test
>>>>>>>>> to the church and negotiations fell through. Now, the church is
>>>>>>>>> suing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> revenue should not be able to discriminate based on religious or
>>>>>>>>> political conviction,�€? Mariah Gondeiro, vice president and
>>>>>>>>> legal counsel of Advocates for Faith & Freedom, the law firm
>>>>>>>>> representing the church, said in a press release exclusively
>>>>>>>>> provided first to The Daily Signal. [...]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The private church is wanting to
>>>>>>>> lease public property. It has no RIGHT
>>>>>>>> to the property. How do you sue over
>>>>>>>> something you have no right to?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At the same time, the school board has no right to use religious
>>>>>>> teachings as a reason to deny the lease.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What makes you think they NEED a reason?
>>>>>
>>>>> They need a reason to select whom they rent to if they rent to any.
>>>>
>>>> A simple "no" to a church wanting to
>>>> rent school property is enough.
>>>>
>>>>> Idiot. This the same crap you get wrong all the time. If a schools
>>>>> allows any religion oriented club on school grounds, it has to
>>>>> allow all equally.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What does renting school grounds to a
>>>> church have to with school clubs?
>>>
>>> Both are examples of unconstitutional viewpoint discrimination. The
>>> government cannot favor one viewpoint over another when it provides
>>> access to school grounds by clubs or facilities it rents.
>>
>> And Josh finally gets one right.
>
>Funny thing. It seems I am right when I agree with you and wrong when I
>don't. What do we call a person who has that criterion for "right"?
The person who is able to support his position sufficiently and can
>>>>>>>>> representing the church, said in a press release exclusively
>>>>>>>>> provided first to The Daily Signal. [...]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The private church is wanting to
>>>>>>>> lease public property. It has no RIGHT
>>>>>>>> to the property. How do you sue over
>>>>>>>> something you have no right to?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At the same time, the school board has no right to use religious
>>>>>>> teachings as a reason to deny the lease.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What makes you think they NEED a reason?
>>>>>
>>>>> They need a reason to select whom they rent to if they rent to any.
>>>>
>>>> A simple "no" to a church wanting to
>>>> rent school property is enough.
>>>>
>>>>> Idiot. This the same crap you get wrong all the time. If a schools
>>>>> allows any religion oriented club on school grounds, it has to
>>>>> allow all equally.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What does renting school grounds to a
>>>> church have to with school clubs?
>>>
>>> Both are examples of unconstitutional viewpoint discrimination. The
>>> government cannot favor one viewpoint over another when it provides
>>> access to school grounds by clubs or facilities it rents.
>>
>> And Josh finally gets one right.
>
>Funny thing. It seems I am right when I agree with you and wrong when I
>don't. What do we call a person who has that criterion for "right"?
defend his position is more likely to be "right". Take the last
thread for example. I provided facts and citation and you spend the
time deflecting and refuted nothing until you quit.
Hope that clears it up for you.
NoBody
May 30, 2023, 7:12:52 AM5/30/23
to
Josh Rosenbluth
May 30, 2023, 11:23:55 AM5/30/23
to
On 5/30/2023 4:11 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Mon, 29 May 2023 08:35:07 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/29/2023 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
{snip}
> On Mon, 29 May 2023 08:35:07 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/29/2023 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> And Josh finally gets one right.
>>
>> Funny thing. It seems I am right when I agree with you and wrong when I
>> don't. What do we call a person who has that criterion for "right"?
>
> The person who is able to support his position sufficiently and can
> defend his position is more likely to be "right". Take the last
> thread for example. I provided facts and citation and you spend the
> time deflecting and refuted nothing until you quit.
any topic. What do we call a person who does that?
Lou Bricano
May 30, 2023, 11:53:18 AM5/30/23
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Usenet. She almost makes Hartung look like...like...a pastor.
NoBody
May 31, 2023, 7:33:10 AM5/31/23
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On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:23:50 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Support your claim please.
Josh Rosenbluth
May 31, 2023, 11:28:53 AM5/31/23
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"And Bradley the coward runs away."
"Go back to the original points and start again as
your responses have been a miserable failure."
"Not one honest post from you. Pathetic."
"And he's gone."
"And HH is gone..."
"Think Swilly boy will apologize for his stupidity?"
"Do you understand why I don't take you seriously yet?"
"You lose...again."
"See this is why I'm completely unable to take you seriously. You
apply absolutely no logic to your posts."
I can't find any examples where the debate ends with an understanding of
where you disagree with the other side rather than accusations from you
of deflection, dishonesty and running away.
NoBody
Jun 1, 2023, 7:19:19 AM6/1/23
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On Wed, 31 May 2023 08:28:47 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
>
>"Go back to the original points and start again as
>your responses have been a miserable failure."
Accurate.
>
>"Not one honest post from you. Pathetic."
Accurate.
>
>"And he's gone."
He couldn't refute a point and vanished.
>
>"And HH is gone..."
Ditto.
>
>"Think Swilly boy will apologize for his stupidity?"
It was stupid.
>
>"Do you understand why I don't take you seriously yet?"
When one can't have an honest discussion what would you expect me to
say.
>
>"You lose...again."
I don't recall this one.
>
>"See this is why I'm completely unable to take you seriously. You
>apply absolutely no logic to your posts."
Which is true.
>
>I can't find any examples where the debate ends with an understanding of
>where you disagree with the other side rather than accusations from you
>of deflection, dishonesty and running away.
Here's the very heart of YOUR problem as well as the others here. I
challenge something said and you and others go off on some tangent
which despite every attempt of mine to get you back on to the central
topic, you stay there. When you realize I'm not going to play your
game, you give up and quit. That IS deflection, dishonesty, and
running away. Refer to your recent thread about transgenderism and
review it with outside eyes if you truly want to understand. I doubt
you do but there it is.
Oh and are stalking my posts? :)
<no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>On 5/31/2023 4:33 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:23:50 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/30/2023 4:11 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 29 May 2023 08:35:07 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/29/2023 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>
>>> {snip}
>>>
>>>>>> And Josh finally gets one right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny thing. It seems I am right when I agree with you and wrong when I
>>>>> don't. What do we call a person who has that criterion for "right"?
>>>>
>>>> The person who is able to support his position sufficiently and can
>>>> defend his position is more likely to be "right". Take the last
>>>> thread for example. I provided facts and citation and you spend the
>>>> time deflecting and refuted nothing until you quit.
>>>
>>> Funny thing. That's what you say about anyone who disagrees with you on
>>> any topic. What do we call a person who does that?
>>
>> Support your claim please.
>
>In the past few days, we have:
>
>"And Bradley the coward runs away."
He did.
>On 5/31/2023 4:33 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:23:50 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/30/2023 4:11 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 29 May 2023 08:35:07 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/29/2023 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>
>>> {snip}
>>>
>>>>>> And Josh finally gets one right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny thing. It seems I am right when I agree with you and wrong when I
>>>>> don't. What do we call a person who has that criterion for "right"?
>>>>
>>>> The person who is able to support his position sufficiently and can
>>>> defend his position is more likely to be "right". Take the last
>>>> thread for example. I provided facts and citation and you spend the
>>>> time deflecting and refuted nothing until you quit.
>>>
>>> Funny thing. That's what you say about anyone who disagrees with you on
>>> any topic. What do we call a person who does that?
>>
>> Support your claim please.
>
>In the past few days, we have:
>
>"And Bradley the coward runs away."
>
>"Go back to the original points and start again as
>your responses have been a miserable failure."
>
>"Not one honest post from you. Pathetic."
>
>"And he's gone."
He couldn't refute a point and vanished.
>
>"And HH is gone..."
Ditto.
>
>"Think Swilly boy will apologize for his stupidity?"
>
>"Do you understand why I don't take you seriously yet?"
say.
>
>"You lose...again."
I don't recall this one.
>
>"See this is why I'm completely unable to take you seriously. You
>apply absolutely no logic to your posts."
>
>I can't find any examples where the debate ends with an understanding of
>where you disagree with the other side rather than accusations from you
>of deflection, dishonesty and running away.
challenge something said and you and others go off on some tangent
which despite every attempt of mine to get you back on to the central
topic, you stay there. When you realize I'm not going to play your
game, you give up and quit. That IS deflection, dishonesty, and
running away. Refer to your recent thread about transgenderism and
review it with outside eyes if you truly want to understand. I doubt
you do but there it is.
Oh and are stalking my posts? :)
Josh Rosenbluth
Jun 1, 2023, 11:20:33 AM6/1/23
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On 6/1/2023 4:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Wed, 31 May 2023 08:28:47 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
{snip}
> On Wed, 31 May 2023 08:28:47 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> I can't find any examples where the debate ends with an understanding of
>> where you disagree with the other side rather than accusations from you
>> of deflection, dishonesty and running away.
>
> Here's the very heart of YOUR problem as well as the others here. I
> challenge something said and you and others go off on some tangent
> which despite every attempt of mine to get you back on to the central
> topic, you stay there. When you realize I'm not going to play your
> game, you give up and quit. That IS deflection, dishonesty, and
> running away.
Funny thing. That's what you say about anyone who disagrees with you on
any topic. What do we call a person who does that?
any topic. What do we call a person who does that?
> Oh and are stalking my posts? :)
No. You replied to my post in this thread.
NoBody
Jun 2, 2023, 7:07:23 AM6/2/23
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On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 08:20:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com>
and then quietly vanish. The fact that it seems to be most of the
people I converse with says more about the intellectual dishonesty of
those who don't like my stances than anything else. Yes this
apparently includes you. Sorry you're not honest enough any longer to
reflect on that
>
>> Oh and are stalking my posts? :)
>
>No. You replied to my post in this thread.
Gad it's a joke dude.
wrote:
>On 6/1/2023 4:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 May 2023 08:28:47 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>{snip}
>
>>> I can't find any examples where the debate ends with an understanding of
>>> where you disagree with the other side rather than accusations from you
>>> of deflection, dishonesty and running away.
>>
>> Here's the very heart of YOUR problem as well as the others here. I
>> challenge something said and you and others go off on some tangent
>> which despite every attempt of mine to get you back on to the central
>> topic, you stay there. When you realize I'm not going to play your
>> game, you give up and quit. That IS deflection, dishonesty, and
>> running away.
>
>Funny thing. That's what you say about anyone who disagrees with you on
>any topic. What do we call a person who does that?
No, just those who are incapable of addressing a point that is raised
>On 6/1/2023 4:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 May 2023 08:28:47 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>{snip}
>
>>> I can't find any examples where the debate ends with an understanding of
>>> where you disagree with the other side rather than accusations from you
>>> of deflection, dishonesty and running away.
>>
>> Here's the very heart of YOUR problem as well as the others here. I
>> challenge something said and you and others go off on some tangent
>> which despite every attempt of mine to get you back on to the central
>> topic, you stay there. When you realize I'm not going to play your
>> game, you give up and quit. That IS deflection, dishonesty, and
>> running away.
>
>Funny thing. That's what you say about anyone who disagrees with you on
>any topic. What do we call a person who does that?
and then quietly vanish. The fact that it seems to be most of the
people I converse with says more about the intellectual dishonesty of
those who don't like my stances than anything else. Yes this
apparently includes you. Sorry you're not honest enough any longer to
reflect on that
>
>> Oh and are stalking my posts? :)
>
>No. You replied to my post in this thread.
Josh Rosenbluth
Jun 2, 2023, 11:39:55 AM6/2/23
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On 6/2/2023 4:07 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 08:20:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/1/2023 4:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> On Wed, 31 May 2023 08:28:47 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>> {snip}
>>
>>>> I can't find any examples where the debate ends with an understanding of
>>>> where you disagree with the other side rather than accusations from you
>>>> of deflection, dishonesty and running away.
>>>
>>> Here's the very heart of YOUR problem as well as the others here. I
>>> challenge something said and you and others go off on some tangent
>>> which despite every attempt of mine to get you back on to the central
>>> topic, you stay there. When you realize I'm not going to play your
>>> game, you give up and quit. That IS deflection, dishonesty, and
>>> running away.
>>
>> Funny thing. That's what you say about anyone who disagrees with you on
>> any topic. What do we call a person who does that?
>
> No, just those who are incapable of addressing a point that is raised
> and then quietly vanish. The fact that it seems to be most
Most? It's everyone who disagrees with you.
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 08:20:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/1/2023 4:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> On Wed, 31 May 2023 08:28:47 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>> {snip}
>>
>>>> I can't find any examples where the debate ends with an understanding of
>>>> where you disagree with the other side rather than accusations from you
>>>> of deflection, dishonesty and running away.
>>>
>>> Here's the very heart of YOUR problem as well as the others here. I
>>> challenge something said and you and others go off on some tangent
>>> which despite every attempt of mine to get you back on to the central
>>> topic, you stay there. When you realize I'm not going to play your
>>> game, you give up and quit. That IS deflection, dishonesty, and
>>> running away.
>>
>> Funny thing. That's what you say about anyone who disagrees with you on
>> any topic. What do we call a person who does that?
>
> No, just those who are incapable of addressing a point that is raised
> and then quietly vanish. The fact that it seems to be most
NoBody
Jun 3, 2023, 9:42:01 AM6/3/23
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On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 08:39:48 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com>
their points and engage in logical discourse, it's on them. Don't get
angry when I point it out. You yourself appear to engage in it so
there's that too. Simply judging me because I generally stay in a
dicussion until its conclusion does both of us a disservice.
>
>> of the
>> people I converse with says more about the intellectual dishonesty of
>> those who don't like my stances than anything else. Yes this
>> apparently includes you. Sorry you're not honest enough any longer to
>> reflect on that
And you ignored this to simply repeat what I had to say again. Dag...
wrote:
>On 6/2/2023 4:07 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 08:20:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/1/2023 4:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 31 May 2023 08:28:47 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> {snip}
>>>
>>>>> I can't find any examples where the debate ends with an understanding of
>>>>> where you disagree with the other side rather than accusations from you
>>>>> of deflection, dishonesty and running away.
>>>>
>>>> Here's the very heart of YOUR problem as well as the others here. I
>>>> challenge something said and you and others go off on some tangent
>>>> which despite every attempt of mine to get you back on to the central
>>>> topic, you stay there. When you realize I'm not going to play your
>>>> game, you give up and quit. That IS deflection, dishonesty, and
>>>> running away.
>>>
>>> Funny thing. That's what you say about anyone who disagrees with you on
>>> any topic. What do we call a person who does that?
>>
>> No, just those who are incapable of addressing a point that is raised
>> and then quietly vanish. The fact that it seems to be most
>
>Most? It's everyone who disagrees with you.
Now you're going around in circles again. If people here won't defend
>On 6/2/2023 4:07 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 08:20:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/1/2023 4:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 31 May 2023 08:28:47 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> {snip}
>>>
>>>>> I can't find any examples where the debate ends with an understanding of
>>>>> where you disagree with the other side rather than accusations from you
>>>>> of deflection, dishonesty and running away.
>>>>
>>>> Here's the very heart of YOUR problem as well as the others here. I
>>>> challenge something said and you and others go off on some tangent
>>>> which despite every attempt of mine to get you back on to the central
>>>> topic, you stay there. When you realize I'm not going to play your
>>>> game, you give up and quit. That IS deflection, dishonesty, and
>>>> running away.
>>>
>>> Funny thing. That's what you say about anyone who disagrees with you on
>>> any topic. What do we call a person who does that?
>>
>> No, just those who are incapable of addressing a point that is raised
>> and then quietly vanish. The fact that it seems to be most
>
>Most? It's everyone who disagrees with you.
their points and engage in logical discourse, it's on them. Don't get
angry when I point it out. You yourself appear to engage in it so
there's that too. Simply judging me because I generally stay in a
dicussion until its conclusion does both of us a disservice.
>
>> of the
>> people I converse with says more about the intellectual dishonesty of
>> those who don't like my stances than anything else. Yes this
>> apparently includes you. Sorry you're not honest enough any longer to
>> reflect on that
Josh Rosenbluth
Jun 3, 2023, 11:24:21 AM6/3/23
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their points and being illogical. Sorry, No Effin Way. When someone
believes *everyone* else is the problem, that someone is the problem.
They are the troll.
Walter "Buzz" Forward
Jun 3, 2023, 11:51:02 AM6/3/23
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On 5/28/2023 9:32 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Sat, 27 May 2023 10:57:53 -0500, David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com>
> wrote:
>
>> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board-asks-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
>> public facilities should not be predicated on religious beliefs. However
>> the cynic in me compels me to wonder how this would apply to a political
>> organization which calls for the overthrow of our nation's constitution.
>
> This *should* be a no brainer. The school clearly broke the law.
No one takes legal advice from a punctured beer keg like you.
> On Sat, 27 May 2023 10:57:53 -0500, David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com>
> wrote:
>
>> https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/exclusive-maine-school-board-asks-church-believes-marriage-abortion-gender-denying-lease-agreement/
>> [...]
>> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the local
>> school board to lease space at a high school for worship services, but
>> the school board appeared to apply a religious test to the church and
>> negotiations fell through. Now, the church is suing.
>>
>> “Public institutions that seek to lease their facilities for revenue
>> should not be able to discriminate based on religious or political
>> conviction,” Mariah Gondeiro, vice president and legal counsel of
>> A Maine church that outgrew its meeting space applied with the local
>> school board to lease space at a high school for worship services, but
>> the school board appeared to apply a religious test to the church and
>> negotiations fell through. Now, the church is suing.
>>
>> “Public institutions that seek to lease their facilities for revenue
>> should not be able to discriminate based on religious or political
>> Advocates for Faith & Freedom, the law firm representing the church,
>> said in a press release exclusively provided first to The Daily Signal.
>> [...]
>>
>> Assuming that the church's claim is accurate, I agree, the renting of
>> said in a press release exclusively provided first to The Daily Signal.
>> [...]
>>
>> public facilities should not be predicated on religious beliefs. However
>> the cynic in me compels me to wonder how this would apply to a political
>> organization which calls for the overthrow of our nation's constitution.
>
> This *should* be a no brainer. The school clearly broke the law.
No one takes legal advice from a punctured beer keg like you.
NoBody
Jun 4, 2023, 9:57:37 AM6/4/23
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On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 08:24:18 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com>
Look at you engaging in name-calling. "Everyone" is your term as I
never said it. If there is a valid point on the table and the
opposition leaves the discussion, they aren't defending their point of
view. It's that simple. A specific example was a video was the
video I provided you from Jordan Peterson about the surge of people
who suddenly believe they are trans. You ignored it and refused to
address it yet he is a person far more credentialled that you and I
will ever be. It refuted your position and you chose to not engage.
That reflects on YOUR argument and not mine.
If your house / argument is not in order, I'm not the one being a
"troll". I'm just the one who exposed the flaw in your thinking.
never said it. If there is a valid point on the table and the
opposition leaves the discussion, they aren't defending their point of
view. It's that simple. A specific example was a video was the
video I provided you from Jordan Peterson about the surge of people
who suddenly believe they are trans. You ignored it and refused to
address it yet he is a person far more credentialled that you and I
will ever be. It refuted your position and you chose to not engage.
That reflects on YOUR argument and not mine.
If your house / argument is not in order, I'm not the one being a
"troll". I'm just the one who exposed the flaw in your thinking.
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