Real Conservatives
David Hartung
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52903
I find the following paragraph to be particularly interesting:
The Democrats won by razor-thin margins. In some races as little as a couple
thousand votes determined the winner and loser. Many of the Democrats that did
win did so by embracing conservative values. Bob Casey won in Pennsylvania. He
is pro-gun, pro-life and believes in lower taxes. Tester in Montana was seen as
middle or right. Doesn't sound like the Chuck Schumers and Ted Kennedys of the
Democratic Party. Democrats who ran on conservative value platforms won and
Democrats that adopted them at the last minute, like Harold Ford, lost.
In order to get elected, many Democrats had to become more like the Republicans
claimed to be. Very interesting.
Callisto
Maybe it is time for real conservatives, not, as Historian John Lukacs
calls them, nationalist populists, which is what hte Republican Party
has devolved into.
Go to any reasonably sized library and look for the intellectual
founders of modern conservatism, reread the classics, and ask yourself
how Conservatism allowed itself to degenerate into the discourse of
radio talk shows, who are very good on invective but known noting of
nuance, nor context (when it was Burke himself who said that very few
things are good or bad by themselves, but that circumstances make them
so). When you allow conservativsm to be defined by sounds slightly
above the braying of animals, you are confessing to its intellectual
death.
If you have never read John Lukacs, do so. It will expand your mind
inmesurably.
David Hartung
> If you have never read John Lukacs, do so. It will expand your mind
> inmesurably.
I checked out the Wikipedia article on Mr. Lukacs. I will definitely have to
read some of this man's works. Thank you.
David Hartung
> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:09:14 GMT, David Hartung
> <dhar...@quixnet.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>> I find the following paragraph to be particularly interesting:
>>
>> The Democrats won by razor-thin margins.
>
>
> In 1994, the GOP "took over" on less than 20,000 votes
> in the entire campaign in all offices----and that was
> "okay" with you---winning was all.
Source?
Alric Knebel
You guys keep telling yourself that, that Democrats won by embracing
conservative values. You're delusional. Guns haven't been an issue for
Democrats in years, and Howard Dean is a gun owner and told the party
some time back that this is an unimportant issue to most Americans. As
for abortion, it's always a sensitive issue, even among Democrats. I'm
not FOR abortion. I'm just for a person's freedom to choose it. Now,
if you want to increase the size of the welfare state so that we can
adequately care for the child while sustaining a civilized quality of
life for the mother, then we can talk about banning it. But you guys
are hypocrites. All you want to do is impose misery on others.
Democrats won because the people got a close look of what sort of
government they'd get if you ran everything. It's been a mess. THAT'S
why you lost. MOST Democrats -- MOST -- ran on traditional Democratic
values. In a couple of areas, a COUPLE of Democrats were LESS to the
left than other Democrats, but they were still TO THE LEFT; they were
not conservative. If they were "conservative," why would Democrats vote
for them, and why wouldn't real conservatives vote for the Republican
candidate?
Your pundits are desperately trying to hold on to their delusion that
they represent the majority of Americans. Your type has said it a
thousand times in these newsgroups, and your pundits have shouted it
over the airwaves ad nauseum. You guys told yourselves that your
advantage would INCREASE over time because "the country was moving more
to the right" with each election. I knew that the way elections counts
were falling that Republicans wouldn't make any further gains. You all
were too stupid to read what the numbers REALLY meant. What it meant
was, you had done a wonderful job galvanizing you supporters, mostly
with indirectly gay bashing and other hatemongering tactics that passed
themselves off as a righteous fight for "values" (meaning this: most
conservatives can't tell the difference between "values" and
"theology"). What you didn't admit to yourselves was that you fired up
just about every self-righteous religious fanatic, hillbilly, and
nationalistic goosestepper out there to vote. They're the type of
people who run to the polls, not to have the government do something FOR
all of the people, but TO other people: get those blacks off welfare;
make sure those homosexuals don't marry; execute those criminals. It's
always about imposing YOUR values on someone else and making them FEEL
it. Meanwhile, at the polls, the turnout was always paltry. This meant
that there is a vast number of people too busy with their own lives to
fiddle in the values of others. They're cynical about politics, since
election after election, the issues have little to do with the real
problems they face. All they knew was, despite the economic indicators
that claim to prove how great we're doing, the reality was much
different. These people are unregistered, politically neutral
DEMOCRATS; and if it ever really looked like the government was going to
work FOR them instead of protecting a wealthy class, they'd vote.
Meanwhile, you've found all your votes and called them to the polls.
There are none left.
Well, things being like they were the last few years, with the din from
the right wing so loud with its nationalistic clamor, the life of the
individual had been eclipsed. You have your war and your obvious
pandering to huge corporations, like the passing of a tighter bankruptcy
bill at a time credit companies were making record profits. They're
sick with greed, these people you vote for. The government became an
out-of-control juggernaut, immutable and immovable in regards to the
people. So people who had previously been apolitical saw a need to get
political.
Of course, you'll always have some people so stupid they'll vote against
their own interests. But the majority of people who don't vote are
really Democrats. What do you think would happen if we passed a law
that required people to vote? Aren't you lucky we don't have such a
law?
Yes, you are.
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Alric Knebel
http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
http://www.ironeyefortress.com
Alric Knebel
> Maybe it is time for real conservatives, not, as Historian John Lukacs
> calls them, nationalist populists, which is what hte Republican Party
> has devolved into.
>
> Go to any reasonably sized library and look for the intellectual
> founders of modern conservatism, reread the classics, and ask yourself
> how Conservatism allowed itself to degenerate into the discourse of
> radio talk shows, who are very good on invective but known noting of
> nuance, nor context (when it was Burke himself who said that very few
> things are good or bad by themselves, but that circumstances make them
> so). When you allow conservativsm to be defined by sounds slightly
> above the braying of animals, you are confessing to its intellectual
> death.
>
> If you have never read John Lukacs, do so. It will expand your mind
> inmesurably.
Good post. Thanks. I'll keep an eye out for John Lukacs.
Amanda Williams
news:_Xj5h.26858$OE1....@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com:
rotfl...
"worldNUTdaily" ???
So what happened to your hero Rectum Santorum ????
By all acounts he was one of your phoney "conservatives" (aka a dribbling
asshole) and he got humiliated, a 19 point spread...
You christo-facist droolers wouldn't know a REAL conservative if one walked
up and bit you on your ass...
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AW
<small but dangerous>
Adam Albright
wrote:
>Mr. Smith gets it, and understands how the Republicans can return to power.
Maybe some day assholes like you will wake up to the FACT that there
is a very thin "extreme left" compared to the ultra extreme right
loons which had hijacked the country and held it hostage for years.
The era of necocon greed, fearmonging and warmongering is over. Dead.
People have finally realized that most Democrats regardless how much
assholes like Limbaugh and Karl Rove tried to paint them as "liberals"
are in fact much closer to the center then many of today's so-called
"conservatives" which as everybody has seen are fucking phonines and
why they were kicked out on their asses all over the country.
If these facts are too paintful for rightards like you to admit, maybe
you should lie down and let reality sink in for a few months.
The right wing conservative as a political animal with any power is
dead. Get it? DEAD, dead, dead! Just repeat that until in finally
pentrades your cement block skull.
Anybody stupid enough to run on "conservative" principles as offered
by the religious wacko squard of fucking phonies are now dead on
arrival and can't win.
Adam Albright
wrote:
>Cl...@Knicklas.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:09:14 GMT, David Hartung
>> <dhar...@quixnet.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I find the following paragraph to be particularly interesting:
>>>
>>> The Democrats won by razor-thin margins.
>>
>> BWAHAHAHAHAHA, Daveyloon
>>
>> In 1994, the GOP "took over" on less than 20,000 votes
>> in the entire campaign in all offices----and that was
>> "okay" with you---winning was all.
>
>Source?
You Hartung are a constant source of amusement. You really work hard
to make a ass of yourself...and you never disappoint.
NuGrass
After the election, all the talk radio hosts and other conservatives
are saying that the Republicans lost because they abandoned "true"
conservative values.
I was a conservative until I was almost 30 years old and grew up with
the Southern Baptist Taliban in the Eastern Kentucky hills until I
graduated from high school and I can tell you without a doubt that the
Bush administration and Republican led congress with all their lies and
scandals is exactly what "true" conservatism is all about.
David
David Hartung
> I was a conservative until I was almost 30 years old and grew up with
> the Southern Baptist Taliban in the Eastern Kentucky hills until I
> graduated from high school and I can tell you without a doubt that the
> Bush administration and Republican led congress with all their lies and
> scandals is exactly what "true" conservatism is all about.
True "conservatism is about limited government, fiscal responsibility and
maximum individual liberty. If you have abandoned these ideals, then I pity you.
Adam Albright
wrote:
>NuGrass wrote:
Talk is cheap. The FACT is the Bush right wing crowd pretended to be
conservative and turned out to be the biggest budget busters in the
country's history. Nothing but a pack of back stabbers, liars, closet
gays and boy fuckers. That's today's "conservative" and why the
country overwhelming rejected nearly everyone that ran under that
banner.
Get use to it. The era of right wing bullshit is OVER. Period!
David Hartung
> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:57:33 GMT, David Hartung <dhar...@quixnet.net>
> wrote:
>
>> NuGrass wrote:
>>
>>> I was a conservative until I was almost 30 years old and grew up with
>>> the Southern Baptist Taliban in the Eastern Kentucky hills until I
>>> graduated from high school and I can tell you without a doubt that the
>>> Bush administration and Republican led congress with all their lies and
>>> scandals is exactly what "true" conservatism is all about.
>> True "conservatism is about limited government, fiscal responsibility and
>> maximum individual liberty. If you have abandoned these ideals, then I pity you.
>
> Talk is cheap. The FACT is the Bush right wing crowd pretended to be
> conservative and turned out to be the biggest budget busters in the
> country's history.
No argument there, that is one of the big reasons the Republicans got a "thumpin".
> Nothing but a pack of back stabbers, liars, closet
> gays and boy fuckers. That's today's "conservative" and why the
> country overwhelming rejected nearly everyone that ran under that
> banner.
Here you are ignoring the simple fact that the Democrats are no better than the
Republicans, in fact, they are worse.
Adam Albright
wrote:
As usual the American voters totally disagree with idiots like you.
NuGrass
Conservatives have NEVER been for maximim individual liberty. Normal
civil rights for minorities, women, and homosexuals have had to be
rammed down your throught for even some of you to accept them.
David
David Hartung
> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 14:16:49 GMT, David Hartung
> <dhar...@quixnet.net> wrote:
>
>> Cl...@Knicklas.com wrote:
>>> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:09:14 GMT, David Hartung
>>> <dhar...@quixnet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I find the following paragraph to be particularly interesting:
>>>>
>>>> The Democrats won by razor-thin margins.
>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHA, Daveyloon
>>>
>>> In 1994, the GOP "took over" on less than 20,000 votes
>>> in the entire campaign in all offices----and that was
>>> "okay" with you---winning was all.
>> Source?
>
>
> Look in Time Magazin recap of the 1994 elections
I am looking, and have so far been unable to verify your claim. Since you know
where it is, suppose you post the cite.
By the way, I believe that the Republicans picked up a total of 52 seats in the
house, in 1994. If the total margin for all 52 seats was only 20,000 votes, that
would mean that the average margin for each seat was under 400 votes. I find
this hard to believe, furthermore, I believe that you pulled this figure out of
your hat. Please support your claim.
David Hartung
Voters in about 219 congressional districts disagree with me, but that does not
change the facts.
Adam Albright
wrote:
No it don't. You're still a idiot.