Kerry's story is true; SBL story is Bush,Jr inspired smear politics
Sid9
August 26, 2004
Swiftboat Crewman: Kerry Boat Under Fire
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 9:24 p.m. ET
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- A swiftboat crewman decorated in the 1969 Vietnam
incident where John Kerry won a Bronze Star says not only did they come
under enemy fire but also that his own boat commander, who has challenged
the official account, was too distracted to notice the gunfire.
Retired Chief Petty Officer Robert E. Lambert, of Central Point, Ore., got a
Bronze Star for pulling his boat commander -- Lt. Larry Thurlow -- out of
the Bay Hap River on March 13, 1969. Thurlow had jumped onto another
swiftboat to aid sailors wounded by a mine explosion but fell off when the
out-of-control boat ran aground.
Thurlow, who has been prominent among a group of veterans challenging the
Democratic presidential candidate's record, has said there was no enemy fire
during the incident. Lambert, however, supports the Navy account that says
all five swiftboats in the task force ``came under small arms and automatic
weapon fire from the river banks'' when the mine detonated.
``I thought we were under fire, I believed we were under fire,'' Lambert
said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press.
``Thurlow was far too distracted with rescue efforts to even realize he was
under fire. He was concentrating on trying to save lives.''
The anti-Kerry group, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, has been running
television ads challenging the Navy account of the boats being under fire.
Kerry has condemned the ads as a Republican smear campaign.
A career military man, Lambert is no fan of Kerry's either. He doesn't like
Kerry's post-Vietnam anti-war activity and doesn't plan to vote for him.
``I don't like the man himself,'' Lambert said, ``but I think what happened
happened, and he was there.''
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> PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- A swiftboat crewman decorated in the 1969 Vietnam
> incident where John Kerry won a Bronze Star says not only did they come
> under enemy fire but also that his own boat commander, who has challenged
> the official account, was too distracted to notice the gunfire.
Even it it WERE true, Kerry had run off during that time and
by the time he came back there was NO FIRING, not even the
firing of the Americans "just in case of ambush."
The real issue for this incident is that Kerry tried to fraudulently
move his "Purple Heart" from earlier in the day when NOT under
fire to this location and time.
Also Rassmann falsely (intentional or not) moves Kerry's "wound"
from his BUTT (with embedded rice) to Kerry's arm which
Rassmann claims (falsely) was bleeding.
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Frank Pittel
Keep dreaming!! Ketchup boy is a proven liar. The only person that thought they
were under fire is ketchup boy and the cowards on his boat. The other boats in
his group stopped to save the lives of the men that hit the mine. None of them
were fired on. Only ketchup boy claimed to recieved fire and he didn't get a
single bullet hole in his boat.
In alt.politics.usa.republican Sid9 <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
: August 26, 2004
: By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
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>
> Keep dreaming!! Ketchup boy is a proven liar. The only person that thought
they
> were under fire is ketchup boy and the cowards on his boat. The other
boats in
> his group stopped to save the lives of the men that hit the mine. None of
them
> were fired on. Only ketchup boy claimed to recieved fire and he didn't get
a
> single bullet hole in his boat.
The liar is Bush but he bought you out like a cheap ho.
Rich Travsky
>
> "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- A swiftboat crewman decorated in the 1969 Vietnam
> > incident where John Kerry won a Bronze Star says not only did they come
> > under enemy fire but also that his own boat commander, who has challenged
> > the official account, was too distracted to notice the gunfire.
>
> Even it it WERE true, Kerry had run off during that time and
Not "if" cupcake, WAS.
Dan Kimmel
they
> were under fire is ketchup boy and the cowards on his boat. The other
boats in
> his group stopped to save the lives of the men that hit the mine. None of
them
> were fired on. Only ketchup boy claimed to recieved fire and he didn't get
a
> single bullet hole in his boat.
You support a coward who couldn't even complete his cushy stateside service
over a decorated veteran?
Why do you hate America?
Steveo
> "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
>>PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- A swiftboat crewman decorated in the 1969 Vietnam
>>incident where John Kerry won a Bronze Star says not only did they come
>>under enemy fire but also that his own boat commander, who has challenged
>>the official account, was too distracted to notice the gunfire.
>
>
>
> Even it it WERE true, Kerry had run off during that time and
> by the time he came back there was NO FIRING, not even the
> firing of the Americans "just in case of ambush."
All of the documents say it is true and that they were under fire. How
the hell do you know what Kerry did or did not do? You weren't there.
You righties are real scum.
George Washington Hayduke
>"Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>> PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- A swiftboat crewman decorated in the 1969 Vietnam
>> incident where John Kerry won a Bronze Star says not only did they come
>> under enemy fire but also that his own boat commander, who has challenged
>> the official account, was too distracted to notice the gunfire.
>Even it it WERE true, Kerry had run off during that time and
>by the time he came back there was NO FIRING, not even the
>firing of the Americans "just in case of ambush."
Golly, strange how no news source has ever exposed such a shocking
event that only you're aware of, isn't it?
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>Keep dreaming!! Ketchup boy is a proven liar. The only person that thought they
>were under fire is ketchup boy and the cowards on his boat.
Yeah, the bullet holes in their boats were put there by Elvs. Yep!
Fucking Republinazi traitors.
oh boy
none, just Thurlow's accusations 35 years later.
The real issue is instead of talking real issues GWB and his flunkies
are refusing to debate and keeping the swift boat thing spinning.
Odd how bit by bit the documents that find show Thurlow to be a liar.
He was convinced Kerry wrote the after action reports too until it
turned out he didn't.
Lambert, Thurlow's chief petty officer, was on Thurlow's swift boat
commericial but didn't say a word until records turned up with his
signature as the official witness
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oh boy
thurlow) and statments by Thurlow's own chief petty officer back up
kerry
Most telling was that Lambert included that a fire fight after a VC
blew a mine (they required a person in the bush to do that) was
standard procedure. Guess Thurlow missed that part too.
I pray that if we ever need to defend our country we don;t have to
rely on GOP chicken hawks to do it.
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Herb Martin
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> > Even it it WERE true, Kerry had run off during that time and
> > by the time he came back there was NO FIRING, not even the
> > firing of the Americans "just in case of ambush."
>
> All of the documents say it is true and that they were under fire. How
> the hell do you know what Kerry did or did not do? You weren't there.
> You righties are real scum.
Actually when one of the documents say
"HEAVY A/W (automatic weapons) AND S/A
(small arms) FROM BOTH BANKS. FIRECONTINUED FOZN ABOUT 5000 METERS."
Since this is pattently untrue, it is clear that at least some
of the documents mentioning fire are fraudulent.
Since Kerry's multiple versions, Rassmann's multiple
versions indicate a shifting story their recounts are highly
suspect.
Since both the documents and Rassmann's account move
Kerry's wound from ealier in the day at another place and
from his BUTT to his arm, their testimony and some of
the documents are clearly wrong.
Herb Martin
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> "Herb Martin" <ne...@LearnQuick.com> wrote:
> >"Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >news:kXwXc.23285$N11...@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> >> PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- A swiftboat crewman decorated in the 1969
Vietnam
> >> incident where John Kerry won a Bronze Star says not only did they come
> >> under enemy fire but also that his own boat commander, who has
challenged
> >> the official account, was too distracted to notice the gunfire.
>
> >Even it it WERE true, Kerry had run off during that time and
> >by the time he came back there was NO FIRING, not even the
> >firing of the Americans "just in case of ambush."
>
> Golly, strange how no news source has ever exposed such a shocking
> event that only you're aware of, isn't it?
So if I show you that -- and even show one of Kerry's campain
crew explaining WHY they ran off, you will admit your error
and oppose Kerry for his lies?
Simple question -- I will truth you honor to follow through if
you will clearly indicate that.
Otherwise we will presume you just intellectually dishonest
and not interested in honest discussion of facts using logic
and reason.
Herb Martin
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> > Even it it WERE true, Kerry had run off during that time and
> > by the time he came back there was NO FIRING, not even the
> > firing of the Americans "just in case of ambush."
> And to back up your claim you have what documentation....? oh yea
> none, just Thurlow's accusations 35 years later.
Actually we have Kerry and campaign's own press conference
with Sandusky explaining WHY Kerry's boat left.
oh boy
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Herb Martin
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"oh boy" <rolf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Please post the entire text, not the modified snippet as you usually do
> > Actually we have Kerry and campaign's own press conference
> > with Sandusky explaining WHY Kerry's boat left.
Actually I have been looking for the full source so if you have it
I will be happy to post it.
Audio to would be nice if you know where that can be found.
Sandusky outed Kerry by explaining WHY they DID what Kerry
claimed they DID NOT.
OUCH! That hurts Mr. Kerry.
oh boy
are just quoting at best items taken from context or more likely you
are spreading baseless lies... as is your usual style.
You are such a sorry lying sack of sh*t
"Herb Martin" <ne...@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message news:<1uSXc.56456$xi6....@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
Herb Martin
> are just quoting at best items taken from context or more likely you
> are spreading baseless lies... as is your usual style.
No, I didn't say that...
> > Actually I have been looking for the full source so if you have it
> > I will be happy to post it.
...and you too must learn to read more closely especially
before stooping to rude vulgarity and divulging your true
intellectual potency.
I am in fact looking for an online source for the full press
conference AND I have in fact seen it since I watched it
LIVE ON TV with a PVR so that at the time I listened and
watch much of it until I fully understood what was and
what was not being said or offered.
Now, wouldn't it be nice if we have an online source for
that so that EVERYONE -- especially you -- could see the
whole thing in context.
Sandusky outed Kerry. And he did it while trying to fix one
of Kerry's OTHER LIES.
Isn't that sweet?
oh boy
addition you have a habit of posting items that are either out of
context or twist past the point of recognition and called it "hard
proof" while at the same time ignoring much harder proof (like signed
military records) that contradict you.
When you can come back with something more than hand waving or links
to liars like Thurlow. There is proof Thurlow is a liar, in fact other
than Thurlow & Co statements 30+ years later, all the docs signed at
the time backup Kerry, and Thurlow weak excuses for how that came to
be don't hold up either.
"Herb Martin" <ne...@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message news:<m9XXc.59017$xi6....@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
Herb Martin
> addition you have a habit of posting items that are either out of
> context or twist past the point of recognition and called it "hard
> proof" while at the same time ignoring much harder proof (like signed
> military records) that contradict you.
>
Ok, so if I find it for you -- either the transcript or
the actual video and you see it.
Will you THEN -- on your honor -- admit you were
wrong and that Sandusky outed Kerry's story that the
other boat left and he stayed when the truth is clear:
ONLY Kerry's boat raced off downstream and returned
while the other boats stayed to rescue the 3-boat and
those in the water.
Kerry returned in time to pick up the last man in the
water: Rassmann.
Your word; your honor. We will trust you to follow
through on your promise if it is CLEARLY GIVEN:
oh boy
Also post a link to a reputable source, anyone that follows your posts
can see how you twist and edit items (also please don't words that you
are completely unfamiliar with..... like Honor).
Will you ever apply the same bar of "evidence" to both sides of an
argument? Or will you continue to state all innuendo as absolute truth
if you like the conclusion and keep dodging documented facts or
dismiss them with "might have or could have" if you don't like them?
Are you going to admit that Thurlow is lying about other events? Like
him being in Cambodia? Or being shot at?
Are you going to stop changing the subject and avoiding (well
documented and admitted) issues like GWB lying to Congress and the USA
about little items like his fraudulent budgets.
Can we talk about GWB threatening gov't employees (again not denied by
the administration) if they told the truth about GWB scamming
Congress?
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Frank Pittel
: Frank Pittel <f...@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote:
: >Keep dreaming!! Ketchup boy is a proven liar. The only person that thought they
: >were under fire is ketchup boy and the cowards on his boat.
: Yeah, the bullet holes in their boats were put there by Elvs. Yep!
: Fucking Republinazi traitors.
The boat ketchup boat was in had no bullet holes. The only boat that had any
bullet holes got them from an earlier firefight. That was confirmed by the
only people that the looney tune brain dead moron loser lib dems could possibly
know, the salors in the boat.
Frank Pittel
: "Frank Pittel" <f...@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
For the record I never voted for the draft dodging slick willie. In his first
presidential run I voted for the decorated war hero George Bush and in his
second run I voted for the decorated war hero Dole. In both elections I listened
to the looney tune brain dead hypicritical loser lib dems claim over and over
again that military service didn't matter. Even ketchup boy thought that until
he changed his mind.
: Why do you hate America?
You mistake me for a dem.
George W. Bush, Traitor
When has Kerry said that Bush's meager service disqualified him from
being president? The real irony is that you radcons are all trying to
make Kerry's service look bad because *you* think it matters. No one
cares that Bush opted for the guard over going to Vietnam. We only wonder
where he was for a year between May 1972 and May 1973.
>: Why do you hate America?
>
> You mistake me for a dem.
>
No, he nailed you.
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Sid9
Sid9
Two more Swift Boat Veterans angry...say their names were used wihtout
permission.
Exposure of the Bush,Jr, liar, loser and coward continues!
Dan Kimmel
No I recognize you as an America-hating Republican.
Why don't you go spit at a veteran? You Republicans are good at that.
Frank Pittel
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It was the looney tune brain dead american hating loser lib dems like you that
spat on the soliers coming back from fighting a dem war.
Frank Pittel
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?? You're talking stupid again.
Sid9
President's, both Republican and Democrat
treated our soldiers as disposable sending
them to an unwinnable war in Viet Nam.
Bush,Jr, loser, liar and coward is now doing
the same thing to a new generation of soldiers.
Every day we control les and less of Iraq.
Holed up in enclaves the Iraqis only get at
us when our supply convoys are moving.
Gauleiter Negroponte has asked to shift
$200 million from rebuilding to security.
There's the Bush, Jr message.
Vote Kerry/ Edwards because Bush,Jr
does not have sufficiently good judgment
to be president.
Ask General Shineski
As usual you are F.O.S.
President's, both Republican and Democrat
treated our soldiers as disposable sending
them to an unwinnable war in Viet Nam.
Bush,Jr, loser, liar and coward is now doing
the same thing to a new generation of soldiers.
Every day we control les and less of Iraq.
Holed up in enclaves the Iraqis only get at
us when our supply convoys are moving.
Gauleiter Negroponte has asked to shift
$200 million from rebuilding to security.
There's the Bush, Jr message.
Vote Kerry/ Edwards because Bush,Jr
does not have sufficiently good judgment
to be president.
Ask General Shineski
David Galehouse
Nope. Many of the hippies from that era went on to become Republicans as
they became fat, lazy and hypocritical to match. Is that your story, creep?
David Galehouse
You're not hearing voices, are you, Piddle?
Dan Kimmel
More Republican lies.
However it is an incontrovertible fact that cowardly Republican draft
dodgers were behind attacks of veterans John McCain, Max Cleland, and John
Kerry.
Why DO You hate America?
Herb Martin
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> However it is an incontrovertible fact that cowardly Republican draft
> dodgers were behind attacks of veterans John McCain, Max Cleland, and John
> Kerry.
John O'Neill and the other highly decorated SwiftVets
are neither cowardly nor do they need ANY encouragement
to tell the truth about Kerry since they consider him:
"Unfit for Command"
So you mistake has been contradicted by the real facts
and Kerry's own admissions:
Kerry has admitted FOUR LIES since the
book "Unfit for Command" exposed the truth:
1) "Christmas in Cambodia" (four changes to Kerry's story already)
2) "The other boats fled, I went back alone" (Sandusky, Kerry's
pilot, outed him on this one Thursday (8/19/04) by EXPLAINING
WHY Kerry's boat left while the others were working to save the 3-boat)
3) 08/24/2004 After checking Kerry's bio and journal
Kerry's campaign admits "...indeed possible that John
Kerry's first Purple Heart commendation was the result
of an, unintentional, self-inflicted wound."
4) Met with VC and North Vietnamese in Paris -- admitted by Kerry and
campaign but claimed to be "an accident" (three times?)
And Kerry did this while he was in the Naval Reserve.
Honorable mention: Before the book released he admitted to
being at the VVAW meeting where murder of US Senators was
discussed. Such conspiracy to commit murder required that
Kerry report it -- he did not.
Kerry's pilot, Sandusky, explained "why" Kerry's boat did something Kerry
had long falsely accused the other boats of doing: FLEEING.
Kerry closed the Democratic National Convention with a story in
which he claimed that five swiftboats fled on March 13,
1969, after a mine explosion and only he came back to rescue Lt.
James Rassman. His campaign now is admitting that he fled and the
rest stayed, before he later returned for Rassman.
Since the publication of "Unfit for Command", Kerry was forced to revise his
decades-long contention he
was on a secret mission in Cambodia on Christmas Eve 1968.
Why Kerry changed the "Christmas in Cambodia" story FOUR TIMES defies
explanation.
Items Kerry must admit sooner or later:
1) No enemy fire at Bronze Star (other than initial mine) -- and while
Kerry fled downstream the boats stayed to rescue the 3-boat for
under an hour without receiving casualties from enemy fire.
2) 3rd Purple Heart was also self-inflicted due to negligence and not under
fire NOR at the later "Bronze Star/fish weir" location
3) Silver Star -- fraudulent report claiming he single handedly attacked
an entrenched enemy position and defeated a superior force (one fleeing VC)
-- there are 3 different versions of this citations and W. Rood confirmed
that Kerry's version was false.
4) Sampan incident killing child -- fraudulent report claiming 5 VC killed
and two capture (child's mother and baby brother) and two captured (child's
mother and baby brother)
5) Resolve his claim to have personally committed "war crimes and
atrocities" by either admitting he lied or explaining his atrocities
explicitly. (Meet the Press and Dick Cavette Show)
6) Kerry needs to release ALL of his military records by executing FORM 180
to publicly release them from archives.
7) "I remember well April 1968 -- I was serving in Vietnam, a place of
violence -- when the news reports brought home to me and my crewmates the
violence back home, and the tragic news that one of the bullets flying that
terrible spring took the life of [Dr. King]." John Kerry Jan 20, 2003,
celebration in Richmond, VA www.vote-smart.org Not in Nam till Nov 17,
1968. (USS Gridley was offshore Vietnam in Nov-Dec 67)
8) .50 Calibre lie within Kerry's war crimes admission on "Meet the Press"
in which Kerry claimed this was their only weapons against human beings
despite his 'war movies' and testimony that all Swift boat crews had M-16's
and other small arms.
9) Kerry must also answer for his CONSCIOUS PRIOR KNOWLEDGE of how the lies
he delivered under oath before the 1971 Senate committeewould be played and
used against American POW's in Hanoi's prison camps ("Tour of Duty" pp.
117-124)
Mr. Kerry:
Execute FORM 180 to release all of your military records from the archives
Release your journal
Excellent and parallel to mine:
http://www.richardmullenax.com/?page=columns&art=32817
Dan Kimmel
"Herb Martin" <ne...@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
> "Dan Kimmel" <dan.k...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:uEuZc.542700$Gx4.81897@bgtnsc04-
>
> > However it is an incontrovertible fact that cowardly Republican draft
> > dodgers were behind attacks of veterans John McCain, Max Cleland, and
John
> > Kerry.
>
> John O'Neill and the other highly decorated SwiftVets
> are neither cowardly nor do they need ANY encouragement
> to tell the truth about Kerry since they consider him:
In fact O'Neill is now arguing he didn't deseve his decorations. Another of
the "SwiftVets" has recanted (twice) and still another said his name was
used without permission. Their whole argument has been exposed as a pack of
lies from the doctor who never treated Kerry to O'Neill telling Nixon that
HE was in Cambodia to the many people unconnected to Kerry who were there
and have denounced the lies.
Then, of course, is the unrefuted fact that the people who actually served
with Kerry (with one exception) all support him, while the whiners and liars
who attack did NOT serve with him, and are making it up out of whole cloth.
Only the rightwingnuts are still paying attention to these liars. Even the
Boston Herald -- which has become little more than an RNC subsidiary -- is
getting bored.
George W. Bush, Traitor
No, that would be you.
Herb Martin
>
> "Herb Martin" <ne...@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
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> > "Dan Kimmel" <dan.k...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > news:uEuZc.542700$Gx4.81897@bgtnsc04-
> >
> > > However it is an incontrovertible fact that cowardly Republican draft
> > > dodgers were behind attacks of veterans John McCain, Max Cleland, and
> John
> > > Kerry.
> >
> > John O'Neill and the other highly decorated SwiftVets
> > are neither cowardly nor do they need ANY encouragement
> > to tell the truth about Kerry since they consider him:
>
> In fact O'Neill is now arguing he didn't deseve his decorations. Another
of
You don't keep up or read very well do you? (You might want to
look up THURLOW).
The proof of Kerry's conscious prior knowledge of the effect of his words is
in "Tour of Duty".
In "Tour of Duty" (pp. 117-124) Kerry's attendance at SERE (survival,
evasion,
resistance, and escape) training is recounted.
At SERE training Kerry was taught (and remembers 35 years later) that even
COUNTING PUSH-UPS was dangerous.
Why? Because the enemy would tape record the counting -- then cut the tape
to produce exchanges such as "How many people did your men massacre?"
"ten-twelve"....
Kerry KNEW that anything he said could be cut this way and played in POW
camps in Hanoi.
It was not just an accident that his words were used in the POW camps, Kerry
had CONSCIOUS PRIOR KNOWLEDGE of how the lies he offered the Senate
committee could and would be used.
KERRY KNEW!!!!
Kerry's folks are fond of claiming that his Senate committee testimony was
merely a report of that others said.
This phony defense has little effect, since Kerry clearly gave the testimony
in an authoritative manner that made clear his believe in that testimony and
in a style that quickly blurred such distinctions.