A $450 Million Blow to Trump’s Finances, and His Identity

[Max Boot]

By Ben Protess, Jonah E. Bromwich, Maggie Haberman and Alex Lemonides
Feb. 17, 2024Updated 2:27 p.m. ET

“We have a lot of cash,” Donald J. Trump boasted 10 months ago, under oath,
claiming that the number was “going up very substantially every month.”

But whatever cash he had may soon be gone.

On Friday, the judge overseeing Mr. Trump’s civil fraud case issued a final
ruling that inflicted a staggering financial penalty. With interest, the former
president has been ordered to pay New York State about $450 million, a sum that
threatens to wipe out a stockpile of cash, stocks and bonds that he amassed
since leaving the White House, according to a New York Times review of Mr.
Trump’s financial records. He will have only 30 days or so to either come up
with the money or persuade an outside company to post a bond.

The judge, Arthur F. Engoron, also imposed several new restrictions on Mr. Trump
and his family business. For three years, Mr. Trump cannot run any New York
company, including portions of his own, nor can he obtain a loan from a New York
bank. The same restrictions apply to his adult sons for a two-year period. And
the family business will be under the thumb of a watchful outsider, a
court-appointed monitor who can hamstring the company if she does not like what
she sees.

All told, the judge’s decision poses unprecedented threats to Mr. Trump’s
finances, his family business and his ego at a critical time for the former
president. Although Mr. Trump will not go bankrupt and the Trump Organization
will not go out of business, the company’s loudest hype man could for now become
a silent partner in his hometown properties. The organization will be another
real estate company in a city full of them — this one facing unusual new
constraints that could impede its ability to compete.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/17/nyregion/trump-civil-cases-millions.html

The belief among knuckle-dragging Trumpswabs that Trump is a "successful
businessman" was always bullshit. He succeeded only due to fraud.

[Skeeter]

In article <MqaAN.231911$vFZa....@fx13.iad>, max....@lathymes.com
says...

>
> By Ben Protess, Jonah E. Bromwich, Maggie Haberman and Alex Lemonides
> Feb. 17, 2024Updated 2:27 p.m. ET
>

> ?We have a lot of cash,? Donald J. Trump boasted 10 months ago, under oath,
> claiming that the number was ?going up very substantially every month.?

>
> But whatever cash he had may soon be gone.
>

> On Friday, the judge overseeing Mr. Trump?s civil fraud case issued a final

> ruling that inflicted a staggering financial penalty. With interest, the former
> president has been ordered to pay New York State about $450 million, a sum that
> threatens to wipe out a stockpile of cash, stocks and bonds that he amassed
> since leaving the White House, according to a New York Times review of Mr.

> Trump?s financial records. He will have only 30 days or so to either come up

> with the money or persuade an outside company to post a bond.
>
> The judge, Arthur F. Engoron, also imposed several new restrictions on Mr. Trump
> and his family business. For three years, Mr. Trump cannot run any New York
> company, including portions of his own, nor can he obtain a loan from a New York
> bank. The same restrictions apply to his adult sons for a two-year period. And
> the family business will be under the thumb of a watchful outsider, a
> court-appointed monitor who can hamstring the company if she does not like what
> she sees.
>

> All told, the judge?s decision poses unprecedented threats to Mr. Trump?s

> finances, his family business and his ego at a critical time for the former
> president. Although Mr. Trump will not go bankrupt and the Trump Organization

> will not go out of business, the company?s loudest hype man could for now become

> a silent partner in his hometown properties. The organization will be another

> real estate company in a city full of them ? this one facing unusual new

> constraints that could impede its ability to compete.
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/17/nyregion/trump-civil-cases-millions.html
>
> The belief among knuckle-dragging Trumpswabs that Trump is a "successful
> businessman" was always bullshit. He succeeded only due to fraud.

Even the banks in New York he borrowed from say they loved working with
him and he paid all his loans off. So where does that money go? The only
people with complaints were the prosecutor and the DA and the judge. No
victims.

[pothead]

That was funny watching the prosecutions witnesses actually testifying FOR TRUMP.
They made tons of money and loved Trump as a client.
Ooops.


--
pothead
Tommy Chong For President 2024.
Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

[Siri Cruise]

pothead wrote:
>> Even the banks in New York he borrowed from say they loved working with
>> him and he paid all his loans off. So where does that money go? The only
>> people with complaints were the prosecutor and the DA and the judge. No
>> victims.
> That was funny watching the prosecutions witnesses actually testifying FOR TRUMP.
> They made tons of money and loved Trump as a client.
> Ooops.

Too bad the verdict remains.

--
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'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 3.2 / \
of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

[AlleyCat]

On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 17:08:30 -0800, Siri Cruise says...

> Too bad the verdict remains.

Too bad there's an appeals process in this country.

Too bad he'll never pay.

Too bad you're a liberal.

Liberals More Likely To Have A Mental Health Condition

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/22/white-liberals-more-likely-
have-mental-health-cond/

Apr 22, 2021 - Sixty-two percent of Whites who classify themselves as "very
liberal" or "liberal" have been told by a doctor they have a mental health
condition, as compared to 26% of conservatives and...

=====

White Liberals More Likely to Have Mental Health Problems... - Newsmax

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/white-liberals-mental-health-
study/2021/04/20/id/1018293/

The Pew Study, Which The Washington Free Beacon notes was published last year
but only gained attention in a recent article, showed that white liberals of
all ages were more likely to be diagnosed with a mental health condition than
moderates or conservatives, with the disparity particularly pronounced among
those aged 18-29, according to evie...

=====

Study: Young White Liberals More Likely to Have Mental Health Problems

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/04/22/study-young-white-liberals-
more-likely-to-have-mental-health-problems/

Apr 22, 2021 - When sex and age were factors, 56.3 percent of white women
between the ages of 18 and 29 and who labeled themselves as "liberal," said
they had been given a mental health diagnosis, compared to 27.3 percent of
conservatives in the same categories and 28.4 percent of moderates:

=====

62% of "liberal" or very "liberal" whites have a mental health condition

https://www.independentsentinel.com/62-of-liberal-or-very-liberal-whites-have-
a-mental-health-condition/

According to a Pew Research Center survey, 62% percent of Whites who classify
themselves as "very liberal" or "liberal" has been told by a doctor they have a
mental health condition. Only 26% of conservatives and 20% of moderates have
been told they have such a condition, the study found.

=====

Pew Study: White Liberals Disproportionately Suffer From Mental Illness...

https://wibc.com/108211/pew-study-white-liberals-disproportionately-suffer-
from-mental-illness/

White women, ages 18-29, who identified as liberal were given a mental health
diagnosis from medical professionals at a rate of 56.3%, as compared to 28.4%
in moderates and 27.3% in conservatives. Zach Goldberg, a Ph.D. candidate in
political science, consolidated the study's info in a set of visuals and posted
them to a thread on Twitter.

SCIENCE: White Libs More Likely To Have Mental Health Problems

https://freebeacon.com/politics/white-libs-mental-health/

Within this demographic, 34 percent of liberals reported having mental health
problems, compared with 22 percent of moderates and 16 percent of
conservatives. Zach Goldberg, the doctoral...

=====

White Liberals Twice as Likely to be Diagnosed with Psychological Problems

https://www.hennessysview.com/p/psychologic-disorders-white-liberals

Nearly 1 in 2 (45.9%) of white liberals have been diagnosed with mental health
disorders. White liberals of all ages are more than twice as likely as
conservatives of any age to suffer from mental health disorders. White liberals
are almost twice as likely as non-white liberals to be diagnosed with mental
health problems.

=====

6 Reasons Why Liberalism IS A Mental Disorder (LOL) - The Political Insider

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/6-reasons-why-liberalism-can-be-considered-a-
mental-disorder/

In 2005, Michael Savage famously wrote a book titled, Liberalism is a Mental
Disorder, the subject of which is self-explanatory. Additionally, Dr. Lyle
Rossiter, a board-certified clinical psychologist, wrote a book in which he
diagnosed the ideology of the left as a tangible mental illness.

=====

Personality Traits, Mental Illness, and Ideology

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/unique-everybody-
else/202103/personality-traits-mental-illness-and-ideology

specifically, surveys on the " big five " traits of extraversion,
agreeableness, conscientiousness, neuroticism, and openness to experience have
found that people identifying as politically...

=====

Study claims over 50% of liberal women under 30 have mental health...

https://theliberal.ie/study-claims-over-50-of-liberal-women-under-30-have-
mental-health-issues-men-and-women-with-liberal-views-more-likely-to-be-
mentally-unwell/

Study claims over 50% of liberal women under 30 have mental health issues, men
and women with liberal views more likely to be mentally unwell April 24, 2021 -
12:01 Gerard Clarke Irish News

[pothead]

On 2024-02-18, AlleyCat <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 17:08:30 -0800, Siri Cruise says...
>
>> Too bad the verdict remains.
>
> Too bad there's an appeals process in this country.
>
> Too bad he'll never pay.
>
> Too bad you're a liberal.
>

And the people of the deep state who are behind all of these prosecutions of Trump know that at
least some of these decisions will be overturned but it doesn't matter because the goal is to keep
Trump tied up in litigation so it's difficult for him to run a campaign and at the same time
bankrupt his business.

I love how Biden accuses Putin of killing his opposition when Biden and the deep state are
effectively doing the same thing with Trump. Stopping just short of actually killing him of course.

[Alan]

On 2024-02-17 21:01, AlleyCat wrote:
>
> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 17:08:30 -0800, Siri Cruise says...
>
>> Too bad the verdict remains.
>
> Too bad there's an appeals process in this country.
>
> Too bad he'll never pay.

Want to bet?

[Richard Clayton Wieber]

On 2/18/2024 6:37 AM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-02-18, AlleyCat <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 17:08:30 -0800, Siri Cruise says...
>>
>>> Too bad the verdict remains.
>>
>> Too bad there's an appeals process in this country.
>>
>> Too bad he'll never pay.
>>
>> Too bad you're a liberal.
>>
>
> And the people of the deep state

Bullshit.

[Governor Swill]

Hookers and Johns don't complain about their business relationship but it's still illegal.

Swill
--
Not left, not right, https://www.forwardparty.com/

"I don't want everybody to vote. As a matter of fact, our leverage in
the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
- Paul Weyrich, co founder of Heritage Foundation and Moral Majority

Not left, not right, https://www.forwardparty.com/

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Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!

Go here to donate to Ukrainian relief.
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[Skeeter]

In article <44k4tidtjibv2vn1j...@4ax.com>,
governo...@gmail.com says...

>
> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 23:50:56 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
> >On 2024-02-17, Skeeter <Skeet...@proton.me> wrote:
>
> >> Even the banks in New York he borrowed from say they loved working with
> >> him and he paid all his loans off. So where does that money go? The only
> >> people with complaints were the prosecutor and the DA and the judge. No
> >> victims.
> >That was funny watching the prosecutions witnesses actually testifying FOR TRUMP.
> >They made tons of money and loved Trump as a client.
> >Ooops.
>
> Hookers and Johns don't complain about their business relationship but it's still illegal.
>
> Swill

No victims in Trumps case. The whole thing is a sham.

[AlleyCat]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 10:43:58 -0800, Richard Clayton Wieber says...

> > And the people of the deep state
>
> Bullshit.
>

Shut up, pussy. We all know it exists. Using a euphemism is all we have to call
it, but you know damn well, there are people who control everything the
government does and says.

WHO weaponized the IRS?

WHO weaponized the DOJ?

It wasn't ma and pa Kettle, you fucking freak psycho.

============================================================================

AlleyCat is one of the several people who dominate Rudy on a daily basis,
keeping their bootheels on his little pencil neck to the amusement of all.

Rudy's psychosis is characterized by an impaired relationship with reality.
It's a symptom of serious mental disorders. People who are experiencing
psychosis may have delusions.

The person experiencing psychosis may also have thoughts that are contrary to
actual EVIDENCE.

These thoughts are known as delusions. Some people with psychosis may also
experience loss of motivation and social withdrawal.

(like spending ALL day on Usenet, instead of socially interacting)

These experiences can be frightening. They may also cause people who are
experiencing psychosis to hurt themselves or others.

"I can kill you with one hand. You know this."

"Thanks for kicking my faggot ass."

"I've beaten you to a bloody pulp"

"... you you no-fight faggot."

"Kicked your flabby faggot ass again. Yes."

It's important to see a doctor right away if you or someone you know is
experiencing symptoms of psychosis.

Symptoms of psychosis include:

depressed mood
sleeping too much or not enough
anxiety
suspiciousness
withdrawal from family and friends
delusions
disorganized speech, such as switching topics erratically
depression
suicidal thoughts or actions

A delusion is a false belief or impression that is firmly held even though it's
contradicted by reality and what is commonly considered true. There are
delusions of paranoia, grandiose delusions, and somatic delusions.

People who are experiencing a delusion of paranoia might think that they are
being followed when they aren't or that secret messages are being sent to them.
Someone with a grandiose delusion will have an exaggerated sense of importance.
Somatic delusion is when a person believes they have a terminal illness, but in
reality they're healthy.

[Alan]

On 2024-02-18 13:08, AlleyCat wrote:
>
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 10:43:58 -0800, Richard Clayton Wieber says...
>
>>> And the people of the deep state
>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
>
> Shut up, pussy. We all know it exists. Using a euphemism is all we have to call
> it, but you know damn well, there are people who control everything the
> government does and says.
>
> WHO weaponized the IRS?
>
> WHO weaponized the DOJ?
>
> It wasn't ma and pa Kettle, you fucking freak psycho.

So, let me ask you, loser:

If this "deep state" actually controls "everything"...

...how is a loser like Trump going to break free of it?

[-hh]

> No victims in Trumps case. The whole thing is a sham.

Oh, look: it’s the classical attempt to claim that White Collar crimes are victimless.

Nope.

Losers include losses of tax revenues to the State … that means all of you
little taxpayers have to be make up the shortfall by paying a slightly higher rate
on taxes.

Another loser are the banks who made loans based on Trump’s fraudulent claims,
as they charged lower interest rates than his real credit rating warranted. That means
that they made less money from said loans than they should have given the risk. The
trickle-down here are that the bank stockholders were harmed, because they did not
receive as large of dividends or price appreciation on their investment in that bank.

That’s just the obvious ones. There’s also the IRS who’s now looking into this, as well
as those businesses who were competing for finite loan capital resources & lost out.

-hh

[AlleyCat]

We'll be alright.

https://i.imgur.com/3a4E3lF.mp4

But when a long train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same
object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their
right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new
guards for their future Security.

=====

When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to
Dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to
Assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which
The laws of nature and of nature's god entitle them, a decent respect to the
Opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel
Them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that
They are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among
These are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness that to secure these
Rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from
The consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes
Destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish
It, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles,
And organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to
Effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that
Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient
Causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are more
Disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by
Abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

But when a long train of Abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same
object, evinces a design To reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their
right, it is their duty, To throw off such government, and to provide new
guards for their future Security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these
colonies; and such is Now the necessity which constrains them to alter their
former systems of Government. The history of the present king of great-Britain
is a history of Repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object
the Establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let
Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the
Public good.

He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing
Importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be
Obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other laws for the accommodation of large districts of
People, unless those people would relinquish the right of representation in the
Legislature, a right inestimable to them, and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and
Distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose of
Fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly
Firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be
Elected; whereby the legislative powers, incapable of annihilation, have
Returned to the people at large for their exercise; the state remaining in the
Mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions
Within.

He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states; for that purpose
Obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others
To encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new
Appropriations of lands.

He has obstructed the administration of justice, by refusing his assent to laws
For establishing judiciary powers.

He has made judges dependent on his will alone, for the tenure of their
Offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers
To harass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, standing armies, without the consent
Of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the military independent of and superior to the civil
Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our
Constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts
Of pretended legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock trial, from punishment for any murders which
They should commit on the inhabitants of these states:

For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing taxes on us without our consent:

For depriving us, in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury:

For transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offenses:

For abolishing the free system of English laws in a neighboring province,
Establishing therein an arbitrary government, and enlarging its boundaries, so
As to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same
Absolute rule into these colonies:

For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering
Fundamentally the forms of our governments:

For suspending our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with
Power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated government here, by declaring us out of his protection and
Waging war against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed
The lives of our people.

He is, at this time, transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to
Complete the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with
Circumstances of cruelty and perfidy, scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous
Ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear
Arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and
Brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring
On the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known
Rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction, of all ages, sexes and
Conditions.

In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most
Humble terms: our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated
Injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define
A tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have we been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned
Them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an
Unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances
Of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice
And magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to
Disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections
And correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of
Consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces
Our separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, enemies in war,
In peace, friends.

We, therefore, the representatives of the united states of America, in general
Congress, assembled, appealing to the supreme judge of the world for the
Rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by authority of the good
People of these colonies, solemnly publish and declare, that these united
Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent states; that they
Are absolved from all allegiance to the British crown, and that all political
Connection between them and the state of great-Britain, is and ought to be
Totally dissolved; and that as free and independent states, they have full
Power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and
To do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do. And
For the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of
Divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes,
And our sacred honor.

[Alan]

On 2024-02-18 19:23, AlleyCat wrote:
>
> We'll be alright.

[Governor Swill]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:37:26 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>And the people of the deep state who are behind all of these prosecutions of Trump know that at
>least some of these decisions will be overturned but it doesn't matter because the goal is to keep
>Trump tied up in litigation so it's difficult for him to run a campaign and at the same time
>bankrupt his business.

Karma sucks when it happens to *your* guy, doesn't it? It seems to me that after decades
of Trump using the court system as a weapon to bend others to his will, the tables have
turned and now others are using the courts to pay him back - to make him take
responsibility for some of his shady and illegal actions over the years.

>I love how Biden accuses Putin of killing his opposition when Biden and the deep state are
>effectively doing the same thing with Trump. Stopping just short of actually killing him of course.

ROTFL! Biden is in no way "killing" Trump. Biden hasn't even punched or so much as
called him a bad name. Biden isn't even the one taking Trump to court! The only thing
Biden could even *remotely* be credited for is the Jansix charges brought by his Justice
Department and you can hardly blame him for allowing that to happen, can you?

You really need to stop boosting your MAGA creds by being a lying bag of shit. It just
makes you look stupid.

[Governor Swill]

As I understand it, he can't appeal without first putting the judgment into escrow. If he
loses his appeal, the court then awards the escrow to the plaintiff.

[Governor Swill]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:48:04 -0500, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 23:50:56 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2024-02-17, Skeeter <Skeet...@proton.me> wrote:
>
>>> Even the banks in New York he borrowed from say they loved working with
>>> him and he paid all his loans off. So where does that money go? The only
>>> people with complaints were the prosecutor and the DA and the judge. No
>>> victims.
>>That was funny watching the prosecutions witnesses actually testifying FOR TRUMP.
>>They made tons of money and loved Trump as a client.
>>Ooops.
>
>Hookers and Johns don't complain about their business relationship but it's still illegal.

Oh, one more thing. If the banks love his business so much, why won't they loan him money
anymore?

[-hh]

On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 8:03:46 AM UTC-5, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 10:19:37 -0800, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>
> >On 2024-02-17 21:01, AlleyCat wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 17:08:30 -0800, Siri Cruise says...
> >>
> >>> Too bad the verdict remains.
> >>
> >> Too bad there's an appeals process in this country.
> >>
> >> Too bad he'll never pay.
> >
> >Want to bet?
>
> As I understand it, he can't appeal without first putting the judgment into escrow.
> If he loses his appeal, the court then awards the escrow to the plaintiff.

That's the correct take.

Now there is the option that he can post 'Bond' instead of his own money for this
escrow amount, but the rates that he will be charged can be pretty steep...I believe
I've heard that a 10% fee is fairly common (eg, a $400M bond would cost $40M out
of pocket, and if he loses, he then pays the $400M), but because of his questionable
credit ... and of assets to secure the loan, there's some who are saying if he can find
a lender, the rate may be more like 18%.

In any event, what IMO seems fairly likely as of this morning is that the IPO for Truth
Social will be bankrolled by foreign interests ... perhaps Putin, but more likely to be
Saudi Arabia and perhaps Elon Musk too. They'll be making these purchases into
the losing dog of Truth Social knowing that they're never going to get their money
back: they're basically increasing the hold that they have over Trump. Time will tell.

-hh

[Skeeter]

In article <9ek6ti1jue76bcibh...@4ax.com>,
governo...@gmail.com says...

>
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:48:04 -0500, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 23:50:56 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On 2024-02-17, Skeeter <Skeet...@proton.me> wrote:
> >
> >>> Even the banks in New York he borrowed from say they loved working with
> >>> him and he paid all his loans off. So where does that money go? The only
> >>> people with complaints were the prosecutor and the DA and the judge. No
> >>> victims.
> >>That was funny watching the prosecutions witnesses actually testifying FOR TRUMP.
> >>They made tons of money and loved Trump as a client.
> >>Ooops.
> >
> >Hookers and Johns don't complain about their business relationship but it's still illegal.
>
> Oh, one more thing. If the banks love his business so much, why won't they loan him money
> anymore?
>
> Swill

Why did they praise him in court? How come there were no victims except
Trump? The truck drivers will help show who they are fucking with.

[pothead]

Trump paid back his loans with interest either on time or early.
The bankers described Trump as a 'whale' which is finance speak for a very wealthy client who can
influence the asset's price.
IOW a high roller.

The left love to make fun of Trump's base as being uneducated, blue collar trailer trash but in
fact these people are the salt of the earth and have far more practical knowledge than some Gen z
snowflake with 3 useless degrees in communications.

So who were the real essential workers during the pandemic?
Doctors, nurses of course, but surely not English majors, professors, entertainment people and such.

It's ironic that the party who claims to be for the working 'stiff' is the party who continually
insults them. Remember basket of deplorables ?

That party would be the democrats.

[pothead]

On 2024-02-19, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:37:26 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>And the people of the deep state who are behind all of these prosecutions of Trump know that at
>>least some of these decisions will be overturned but it doesn't matter because the goal is to keep
>>Trump tied up in litigation so it's difficult for him to run a campaign and at the same time
>>bankrupt his business.
>
> Karma sucks when it happens to *your* guy, doesn't it? It seems to me that after decades
> of Trump using the court system as a weapon to bend others to his will, the tables have
> turned and now others are using the courts to pay him back - to make him take
> responsibility for some of his shady and illegal actions over the years.

Trump is a ruthless business man no doubt. And while I don't agree to him using his power to
basically bury his adversaries, what has he done that is against the law?
All rich and powerful tie things up in order to win cases.
Why hasn't Trump been charged till now?
Surely Marxist Mayor DeBlasio hated Trump so why no investigations back then?

>>I love how Biden accuses Putin of killing his opposition when Biden and the deep state are
>>effectively doing the same thing with Trump. Stopping just short of actually killing him of course.
>
> ROTFL! Biden is in no way "killing" Trump. Biden hasn't even punched or so much as
> called him a bad name. Biden isn't even the one taking Trump to court! The only thing
> Biden could even *remotely* be credited for is the Jansix charges brought by his Justice
> Department and you can hardly blame him for allowing that to happen, can you?

Sure he is.
Do you think Fanni Willis and team's visit to the White House was for a phot op?
Do you think investigations into mayor Adams just happened to surface after Adams called out Joe
Biden?

Joe Biden has weaponized the deep state to destroy his opponents and send a message to the voters.
It's so obvious because it is at an extreme level.

Of course Joe Biden isn't taking anyone to court but his puppet masters and administration is
doing the dirty work.
Joe Biden isn't capable of reading a teleprompter without screwing it up.

> You really need to stop boosting your MAGA creds by being a lying bag of shit. It just
> makes you look stupid.
>
> Swill

No lies.
Open your eyes and stop singing the same tune CNN sings.
You are part of the same people who claimed the laptop was fake, the Russian collusion issue was
real and many other lies.
How did those work out for you?
In part they got Biden elected so I guess that was a win however the real truth was exposed and of
course the left and media didn't even attempt to dispute that because they knew all along these
were nothing burgers but since they accomplished their goal they dropped them like a hot potato.

[Siri Cruise]

pothead wrote:
> Trump paid back his loans with interest either on time or early.

And now he is paying back with interest what he defrauded New Yorkers.

[Siri Cruise]

pothead wrote:
> what has he done that is against the law?

Commit longterm systemic fraud.

[Johnny]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 07:01:28 -0800
Siri Cruise <chine...@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

> pothead wrote:
> > Trump paid back his loans with interest either on time or early.
>
> And now he is paying back with interest what he defrauded New
> Yorkers.
>

How did he defraud New Yorkers?

[Alan]

On 2024-02-19 06:14, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-02-19, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:37:26 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And the people of the deep state who are behind all of these prosecutions of Trump know that at
>>> least some of these decisions will be overturned but it doesn't matter because the goal is to keep
>>> Trump tied up in litigation so it's difficult for him to run a campaign and at the same time
>>> bankrupt his business.
>>
>> Karma sucks when it happens to *your* guy, doesn't it? It seems to me that after decades
>> of Trump using the court system as a weapon to bend others to his will, the tables have
>> turned and now others are using the courts to pay him back - to make him take
>> responsibility for some of his shady and illegal actions over the years.
>
> Trump is a ruthless business man no doubt. And while I don't agree to him using his power to
> basically bury his adversaries, what has he done that is against the law?

Trump University?

Taking classified documents?

Trying to overturn an election?

> All rich and powerful tie things up in order to win cases.
> Why hasn't Trump been charged till now?

Some of the investigations took this long.

> Surely Marxist Mayor DeBlasio hated Trump so why no investigations back then?
>
>>> I love how Biden accuses Putin of killing his opposition when Biden and the deep state are
>>> effectively doing the same thing with Trump. Stopping just short of actually killing him of course.
>>
>> ROTFL! Biden is in no way "killing" Trump. Biden hasn't even punched or so much as
>> called him a bad name. Biden isn't even the one taking Trump to court! The only thing
>> Biden could even *remotely* be credited for is the Jansix charges brought by his Justice
>> Department and you can hardly blame him for allowing that to happen, can you?
>
> Sure he is.
> Do you think Fanni Willis and team's visit to the White House was for a phot op?
> Do you think investigations into mayor Adams just happened to surface after Adams called out Joe
> Biden?
>
> Joe Biden has weaponized the deep state to destroy his opponents and send a message to the voters.
> It's so obvious because it is at an extreme level.
>
> Of course Joe Biden isn't taking anyone to court but his puppet masters and administration is
> doing the dirty work.
> Joe Biden isn't capable of reading a teleprompter without screwing it up.
>

LOL!

[Governor Swill]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 15:25:47 -0800 (PST), -hh <recscub...@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>That’s just the obvious ones. There’s also the IRS who’s now looking into this, as well
>as those businesses who were competing for finite loan capital resources & lost out.

If the IRS catches him misstating income or assets and thus writing off incorrectly, he
could wind up in deep shit with them too. While the fraud case in New York was civil and
carried no criminal penalties, if IRS finds him deliberately cheating on his taxes, he
could wind up in Federal prison.

[Siri Cruise]

Exhaling.

[Max Boot]

On 2/19/2024 6:14 AM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-02-19, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:37:26 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And the people of the deep state who are behind all of these prosecutions of Trump know that at
>>> least some of these decisions will be overturned but it doesn't matter because the goal is to keep
>>> Trump tied up in litigation so it's difficult for him to run a campaign and at the same time
>>> bankrupt his business.
>>
>> Karma sucks when it happens to *your* guy, doesn't it? It seems to me that after decades
>> of Trump using the court system as a weapon to bend others to his will, the tables have
>> turned and now others are using the courts to pay him back - to make him take
>> responsibility for some of his shady and illegal actions over the years.
>
> Trump is a ruthless business man no doubt.

He's a crook.

> And while I don't agree to him using his power to
> basically bury his adversaries, what has he done that is against the law?

You mean other than fraud and other than campaign finance violations (hush
money) and other than illegal efforts to overturn the election and other than
illegally taking national security documents and other than engaging in
obstruction of justice regarding the recovery of those documents? Well, maybe
not too much that was against the law...other than those.

>
>>> I love how Biden accuses Putin of killing his opposition when Biden and the deep state are
>>> effectively doing the same thing with Trump. Stopping just short of actually killing him of course.
>>
>> ROTFL! Biden is in no way "killing" Trump. Biden hasn't even punched or so much as
>> called him a bad name. Biden isn't even the one taking Trump to court! The only thing
>> Biden could even *remotely* be credited for is the Jansix charges brought by his Justice
>> Department and you can hardly blame him for allowing that to happen, can you?
>
> Sure he is.

No.

>
> Joe Biden has weaponized the deep state to

There is no such thing as "deep state," and Biden has *not* "weaponized" the
DoJ. But Trump tried to do that.

>
>> You really need to stop boosting your MAGA creds by being a lying bag of shit. It just
>> makes you look stupid.
>>
>> Swill
>
> No lies.

*Nothing* but lies.

[Mitchell Holman]

pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:uqvnna$1tge3$1...@dont-email.me:

>
>
> Joe Biden has weaponized the deep state to destroy his opponents and
> send a message to the voters. It's so obvious because it is at an
> extreme level.

I love this one.

Biden is diligently weaponizing the
Deep State to get all these court victories
against Trump AND he is a forgetful old man
unable to tie his own shoe laces.

At the same time.

[Mitchell Holman]

Aside from The Trump Foundation
fraud and Trump University fraud
and the financial documents fraud?

[Governor Swill]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 14:14:02 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>Trump is a ruthless business man no doubt. And while I don't agree to him using his power to
>basically bury his adversaries, what has he done that is against the law?

I'd take the time to tell you but I have a day job.

[Governor Swill]

ROTFL!

[Governor Swill]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 13:58:49 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>
>Trump paid back his loans with interest either on time or early.
>The bankers described Trump as a 'whale' which is finance speak for a very wealthy client who can
>influence the asset's price.
>IOW a high roller.

Then why don't American banks do business with him anymore? Nobody will deal with him
except Deutshebank and the Russians.

[-hh]

Underpaid taxes, which means others ultimately had to pay more.

-hh

[-hh]

On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 8:31:05 AM UTC-5, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <9ek6ti1jue76bcibh...@4ax.com>,
> governo...@gmail.com says...
> >
> > On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:48:04 -0500, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 23:50:56 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>On 2024-02-17, Skeeter <Skeet...@proton.me> wrote:
> > >
> > >>> Even the banks in New York he borrowed from say they loved working with
> > >>> him and he paid all his loans off. So where does that money go? The only
> > >>> people with complaints were the prosecutor and the DA and the judge. No
> > >>> victims.
> > >>That was funny watching the prosecutions witnesses actually testifying FOR TRUMP.
> > >>They made tons of money and loved Trump as a client.
> > >>Ooops.
> > >
> > >Hookers and Johns don't complain about their business relationship but it's still illegal.
> >
> > Oh, one more thing. If the banks love his business so much, why won't they loan him money
> > anymore?
> >
> > Swill

> …

> The truck drivers will help show who they are fucking with.

Oh my! Look at who’s not kept up on the news.

-hh

[pothead]

You seem to have trouble focusing.
The thread is about the recent real estate trial.
See the subject.

[pothead]

On 2024-02-19, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 13:58:49 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Trump paid back his loans with interest either on time or early.
>>The bankers described Trump as a 'whale' which is finance speak for a very wealthy client who can
>>influence the asset's price.
>>IOW a high roller.
>
> Then why don't American banks do business with him anymore? Nobody will deal with him
> except Deutshebank and the Russians.
>
> Swill

<https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2023/04/05/how-trumps-legal-problems-are-affecting-his-
banking-relationships/?sh=1b468fc72ca7>

If you have the assets to pay back the loan you could be Al Capone for all the banks care.

[pothead]

On 2024-02-19, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2024-02-19 06:14, pothead wrote:
>> On 2024-02-19, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:37:26 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And the people of the deep state who are behind all of these prosecutions of Trump know that at
>>>> least some of these decisions will be overturned but it doesn't matter because the goal is to keep
>>>> Trump tied up in litigation so it's difficult for him to run a campaign and at the same time
>>>> bankrupt his business.
>>>
>>> Karma sucks when it happens to *your* guy, doesn't it? It seems to me that after decades
>>> of Trump using the court system as a weapon to bend others to his will, the tables have
>>> turned and now others are using the courts to pay him back - to make him take
>>> responsibility for some of his shady and illegal actions over the years.
>>
>> Trump is a ruthless business man no doubt. And while I don't agree to him using his power to
>> basically bury his adversaries, what has he done that is against the law?
>
> Trump University?

I agree that this one was a sham and he paid up and it's done.
I'm sure there is more to it, but whatever.

> Taking classified documents?

Recent.
And 2 tier as Joe Biden escapes.

> Trying to overturn an election?

Recent and this hasn't been adjudicated yet.

Thus, both influenced by the Biden administration.

>> All rich and powerful tie things up in order to win cases.
>> Why hasn't Trump been charged till now?
>
> Some of the investigations took this long.

Baloney.
By the same token I can ask why it took the FBI years to investigate Hunter?
Only that was done on purpose to protect the Biden's.
Deep state again.

>> Surely Marxist Mayor DeBlasio hated Trump so why no investigations back then?
>>
>>>> I love how Biden accuses Putin of killing his opposition when Biden and the deep state are
>>>> effectively doing the same thing with Trump. Stopping just short of actually killing him of course.
>>>
>>> ROTFL! Biden is in no way "killing" Trump. Biden hasn't even punched or so much as
>>> called him a bad name. Biden isn't even the one taking Trump to court! The only thing
>>> Biden could even *remotely* be credited for is the Jansix charges brought by his Justice
>>> Department and you can hardly blame him for allowing that to happen, can you?
>>
>> Sure he is.
>> Do you think Fanni Willis and team's visit to the White House was for a phot op?
>> Do you think investigations into mayor Adams just happened to surface after Adams called out Joe
>> Biden?
>>
>> Joe Biden has weaponized the deep state to destroy his opponents and send a message to the voters.
>> It's so obvious because it is at an extreme level.
>>
>> Of course Joe Biden isn't taking anyone to court but his puppet masters and administration is
>> doing the dirty work.
>> Joe Biden isn't capable of reading a teleprompter without screwing it up.
>>
>
> LOL!

Laugh all you wish but the public agrees with me.

<https://www.newsweek.com/trump-indictment-stormy-daniels-gaetz-1791751>

BTW, notice the Newsweek pivot, deflect and try to spin.

[Mitchell Holman]

pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:ur10bq$25s6c$1...@dont-email.me:

> By the same token I can ask why it took the FBI years to investigate
> Hunter? Only that was done on purpose to protect the Biden's.

Tell us why a Trump appointed
FBI director was "protecting the
Bidens"

[Alan]

On 2024-02-19 17:47, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-02-19, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-02-19 06:14, pothead wrote:
>>> On 2024-02-19, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:37:26 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And the people of the deep state who are behind all of these prosecutions of Trump know that at
>>>>> least some of these decisions will be overturned but it doesn't matter because the goal is to keep
>>>>> Trump tied up in litigation so it's difficult for him to run a campaign and at the same time
>>>>> bankrupt his business.
>>>>
>>>> Karma sucks when it happens to *your* guy, doesn't it? It seems to me that after decades
>>>> of Trump using the court system as a weapon to bend others to his will, the tables have
>>>> turned and now others are using the courts to pay him back - to make him take
>>>> responsibility for some of his shady and illegal actions over the years.
>>>
>>> Trump is a ruthless business man no doubt. And while I don't agree to him using his power to
>>> basically bury his adversaries, what has he done that is against the law?
>>
>> Trump University?
>
> I agree that this one was a sham and he paid up and it's done.
> I'm sure there is more to it, but whatever.

But it shows that he DOES commit crimes. Agreed?

>
>> Taking classified documents?
>
> Recent.
> And 2 tier as Joe Biden escapes.

Yes, it's recent, but the question was:

"what has he done that is against the law?"

And it now appears you want to excuse him for this because it's "recent"
while excusing him for Trump University because it's not.

>
>> Trying to overturn an election?
>
> Recent and this hasn't been adjudicated yet.
>
> Thus, both influenced by the Biden administration.

An allegation without any foundation.

>
>>> All rich and powerful tie things up in order to win cases.
>>> Why hasn't Trump been charged till now?
>>
>> Some of the investigations took this long.
>
> Baloney.
> By the same token I can ask why it took the FBI years to investigate Hunter?
> Only that was done on purpose to protect the Biden's.
> Deep state again.

Allegations without foundation.

>
>>> Surely Marxist Mayor DeBlasio hated Trump so why no investigations back then?
>>>
>>>>> I love how Biden accuses Putin of killing his opposition when Biden and the deep state are
>>>>> effectively doing the same thing with Trump. Stopping just short of actually killing him of course.
>>>>
>>>> ROTFL! Biden is in no way "killing" Trump. Biden hasn't even punched or so much as
>>>> called him a bad name. Biden isn't even the one taking Trump to court! The only thing
>>>> Biden could even *remotely* be credited for is the Jansix charges brought by his Justice
>>>> Department and you can hardly blame him for allowing that to happen, can you?
>>>
>>> Sure he is.
>>> Do you think Fanni Willis and team's visit to the White House was for a phot op?
>>> Do you think investigations into mayor Adams just happened to surface after Adams called out Joe
>>> Biden?
>>>
>>> Joe Biden has weaponized the deep state to destroy his opponents and send a message to the voters.
>>> It's so obvious because it is at an extreme level.
>>>
>>> Of course Joe Biden isn't taking anyone to court but his puppet masters and administration is
>>> doing the dirty work.
>>> Joe Biden isn't capable of reading a teleprompter without screwing it up.
>>>
>>
>> LOL!
>
> Laugh all you wish but the public agrees with me.
>
> <https://www.newsweek.com/trump-indictment-stormy-daniels-gaetz-1791751>
>
> BTW, notice the Newsweek pivot, deflect and try to spin.

LOL!

[pothead]

Because Trump is an extremely poor judge of people.
Barr is another miss.
He was new at the DC game but I suspect he has learned his lesson.

[nickname unavailable]

On 2/19/2024 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-02-20, Mitchell Holman <noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote in
>> news:ur10bq$25s6c$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>
>>> By the same token I can ask why it took the FBI years to investigate
>>> Hunter? Only that was done on purpose to protect the Biden's.
>>
>>
>> Tell us why a Trump appointed
>> FBI director was "protecting the
>> Bidens"
>
> Because Trump is an extremely poor judge of people.

He's an extremely poor judge of finding people who will be blindly loyal to him
and not to the Constitution.

But what makes you think Trump would any better a judge of people in a second
term? Why do you want to elect a president who is a shitty judge of people, when
appointing good people is *the most* important thing a president does?

> Barr is another miss.

Fuck off. Barr did *every* bad and wrong thing Trump wanted him to do until it
came to lying about free, fair and clean election. Only then was Barr considered
a Trump "miss." Barr is the worst and most corrupt AG in history, in service to
the worst and most corrupt president in history — *far* worse than John Mitchell
— and what makes him the worst is that he did every bad and wrong thing Trump
wanted him to do, until it came to Trump's election fraud.

[Mitchell Holman]

pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote in news:ur18ev$2anie$3...@dont-email.me:

> On 2024-02-20, Mitchell Holman <noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote in
>> news:ur10bq$25s6c$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>
>>> By the same token I can ask why it took the FBI years to investigate
>>> Hunter? Only that was done on purpose to protect the Biden's.
>>
>>
>> Tell us why a Trump appointed
>> FBI director was "protecting the
>> Bidens"
>
> Because Trump is an extremely poor judge of people.

So why do you keep voting for him?


> Barr is another miss.

Barr was a "the president is always right"
toady for Bush and he did the same thing for
Trump. That is why Trump hired him, remember?

> He was new at the DC game but I suspect he has learned his lesson.

Barr took an oath to uphold the Constitution,
as did Chao and Wray and Tillerson and every other
Trump appointee now being blasted as "corrupt deep
state liberals". Try to imagine that there are
higher loyalties than loyality to Trump.

Wray didn't hide the laptop evidence to help
the Bidens, he found no evidence there. If that
runs counter to your Area 51-like conspiracy that
"the government is hiding evidence" so be it.

[Scout]

"Governor Swill" <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:44k4tidtjibv2vn1j...@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 23:50:56 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On 2024-02-17, Skeeter <Skeet...@proton.me> wrote:
>
>>> Even the banks in New York he borrowed from say they loved working with
>>> him and he paid all his loans off. So where does that money go? The only
>>> people with complaints were the prosecutor and the DA and the judge. No
>>> victims.
>>That was funny watching the prosecutions witnesses actually testifying FOR
>>TRUMP.
>>They made tons of money and loved Trump as a client.
>>Ooops.
>
> Hookers and Johns don't complain about their business relationship but
> it's still illegal.

Ok, what law(s) were broken?

Then show us who else has EVER been prosecuted under them.

Meanwhile I understand developers are reconsidering any projects they have
in New York lest some DA decides to second guess past, current, or future
loan applications. Without loans to fund the projects, major construction
in NY will come to a halt.

[Skeeter]

In article <ur2dj4$2hu0k$6...@dont-email.me>,
me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net says...

Looks like the truckers are also thinking of banning trips into NYC.

[Mitchell Holman]

"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
news:ur2dj4$2hu0k$6...@dont-email.me:

Imagine a world where loan applications
have to be truthful. Oh dear.

[duke]

On 2/20/2024 5:25 AM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Governor Swill" <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:44k4tidtjibv2vn1j...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 23:50:56 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-17, Skeeter <Skeet...@proton.me> wrote:
>>
>>>> Even the banks in New York he borrowed from say they loved working with
>>>> him and he paid all his loans off. So where does that money go? The only
>>>> people with complaints were the prosecutor and the DA and the judge. No
>>>> victims.
>>> That was funny watching the prosecutions witnesses actually testifying FOR
>>> TRUMP.
>>> They made tons of money and loved Trump as a client.
>>> Ooops.
>>
>> Hookers and Johns don't complain about their business relationship but it's
>> still illegal.
>
> Ok, what law(s) were broken?
>
> Then show us who else has EVER been prosecuted under them.

Exxon Mobil and Martin Shkreli.

>
> Meanwhile I understand developers are reconsidering any projects they have in
> New York lest some DA decides to second guess past, current, or future loan
> applications.

No source means it's bullshit.

[pothead]

Leave it to the left wing democrats to destroy the financial capitol of the world, NYC.
Is there anything they can't fu%k up?

[pothead]

That's gotta be a win-win for the truckers as driving an 18 wheeler around in NYC must be a
nightmare.

[Michael A Terrell]

On 2/20/2024 6:41 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

Bullshit. No truckers are doing any such thing. Truck drivers have no power to
do that.

[Siri Cruise]

Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Governor Swill" <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:44k4tidtjibv2vn1j...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 23:50:56 -0000 (UTC), pothead
>> <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-17, Skeeter <Skeet...@proton.me> wrote:
>>
>>>> Even the banks in New York he borrowed from say they loved
>>>> working with
>>>> him and he paid all his loans off. So where does that money
>>>> go? The only
>>>> people with complaints were the prosecutor and the DA and the
>>>> judge. No
>>>> victims.
>>> That was funny watching the prosecutions witnesses actually
>>> testifying FOR TRUMP.
>>> They made tons of money and loved Trump as a client.
>>> Ooops.
>>
>> Hookers and Johns don't complain about their business
>> relationship but it's still illegal.
>
> Ok, what law(s) were broken?

Yes, you are this stupid.

> Then show us who else has EVER been prosecuted under them.
>
> Meanwhile I understand developers are reconsidering any projects
> they have in New York lest some DA decides to second guess past,
> current, or future loan applications.  Without loans to fund the
> projects, major construction in NY will come to a halt.

Buy up property in Bozeman as it becomes the next great banking
centre to rival Timbuktu.

[Siri Cruise]

Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Meanwhile I understand developers are reconsidering any projects they
>> have in New York lest some DA decides to second guess past, current,
>> or future loan applications.
>
> Imagine a world where loan applications
> have to be truthful. Oh dear.

Only for the little people like Raskolnikov. Great Men of Destiny
are above the law.

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 01:47:38 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-19, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-02-19 06:14, pothead wrote:
>>> On 2024-02-19, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:37:26 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And the people of the deep state who are behind all of these prosecutions of Trump know that at
>>>>> least some of these decisions will be overturned but it doesn't matter because the goal is to keep
>>>>> Trump tied up in litigation so it's difficult for him to run a campaign and at the same time
>>>>> bankrupt his business.
>>>>
>>>> Karma sucks when it happens to *your* guy, doesn't it? It seems to me that after decades
>>>> of Trump using the court system as a weapon to bend others to his will, the tables have
>>>> turned and now others are using the courts to pay him back - to make him take
>>>> responsibility for some of his shady and illegal actions over the years.
>>>
>>> Trump is a ruthless business man no doubt. And while I don't agree to him using his power to
>>> basically bury his adversaries, what has he done that is against the law?
>>
>> Trump University?
>
>I agree that this one was a sham and he paid up and it's done.
>I'm sure there is more to it, but whatever.
>
>> Taking classified documents?
>
>Recent.
>And 2 tier as Joe Biden escapes.

Trump isn't in trouble for taking documents, he's in trouble for refusing to return them,
lying about them and hiding them.

Biden didn't do any of those so stuff you 2 tiers where the sun don't shine, baby.

>
>> Trying to overturn an election?
>
>Recent and this hasn't been adjudicated yet.

*laughs and points*
He did it. We know he did it. We sat there in our living rooms and watched the criminal
do it. This is not Russia and he is not Vladimir Putin.

>Thus, both influenced by the Biden administration.

Seeking justice, yes.

>>> All rich and powerful tie things up in order to win cases.
>>> Why hasn't Trump been charged till now?
>>
>> Some of the investigations took this long.
>
>Baloney.
>By the same token I can ask why it took the FBI years to investigate Hunter?

The FBI is investigating now? They must not have found anything on the *real* laptop or
they'd have indicted him already.

>Only that was done on purpose to protect the Biden's.

That was done to frame the Biden's. The whole laptop story is a right wing concoction and
you know it, so stop lying about it.

>Deep state again.

Truth, justice and the American way. Things the current extreme right wants nothing to do
with.

>>> Surely Marxist Mayor DeBlasio hated Trump so why no investigations back then?
>>>
>>>>> I love how Biden accuses Putin of killing his opposition when Biden and the deep state are
>>>>> effectively doing the same thing with Trump. Stopping just short of actually killing him of course.
>>>>
>>>> ROTFL! Biden is in no way "killing" Trump. Biden hasn't even punched or so much as
>>>> called him a bad name. Biden isn't even the one taking Trump to court! The only thing
>>>> Biden could even *remotely* be credited for is the Jansix charges brought by his Justice
>>>> Department and you can hardly blame him for allowing that to happen, can you?
>>>
>>> Sure he is.
>>> Do you think Fanni Willis and team's visit to the White House was for a phot op?
>>> Do you think investigations into mayor Adams just happened to surface after Adams called out Joe
>>> Biden?
>>>
>>> Joe Biden has weaponized the deep state to destroy his opponents and send a message to the voters.
>>> It's so obvious because it is at an extreme level.
>>>
>>> Of course Joe Biden isn't taking anyone to court but his puppet masters and administration is
>>> doing the dirty work.
>>> Joe Biden isn't capable of reading a teleprompter without screwing it up.
>>>
>>
>> LOL!
>
>Laugh all you wish but the public agrees with me.
>
><https://www.newsweek.com/trump-indictment-stormy-daniels-gaetz-1791751>
>
>BTW, notice the Newsweek pivot, deflect and try to spin.

Yes, you did.

The charge is that he used campaign funds to pay her off.

Also from that Newseek report on a Quinnipiac survey . . .

"However, that same survey also found a broader range of negative sentiment toward Trump
elsewhere.

"Most felt he should not be allowed to run for president in 2024 if criminal charges were
brought against him, with a majority of respondents thinking those charges were very or
somewhat serious."

""Yes, say Americans, it was all about him and not the country's well-being when Trump
proclaimed he was targeted for arrest," said Quinnipiac University polling analyst Tim
Malloy. "And, yes he should be forever banished from office if he is charged as a
criminal.""

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 04:05:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-20, Mitchell Holman <noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote in
>> news:ur10bq$25s6c$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>
>>> By the same token I can ask why it took the FBI years to investigate
>>> Hunter? Only that was done on purpose to protect the Biden's.
>>
>>
>> Tell us why a Trump appointed
>> FBI director was "protecting the
>> Bidens"
>
>Because Trump is an extremely poor judge of people.

Iow, this time he screwed up and hired somebody competent instead of somebody loyal.

>Barr is another miss.

Again.

>He was new at the DC game but I suspect he has learned his lesson.

The DC game is not about hiring loyalists who will back you no matter how many laws your
break.

[Governor Swill]

It's called "partisan hypocrisy".
He should be forgiven because that happened *years* ago.
That happened just recently so it doesn't count.

>>> Trying to overturn an election?
>>
>> Recent and this hasn't been adjudicated yet.
>>
>> Thus, both influenced by the Biden administration.
>
>An allegation without any foundation.

Indeed. Trump's own appointed judges and government officials have testified against him
and done their jobs competently at a time when Trump wanted loyalty and lies.

>>>> All rich and powerful tie things up in order to win cases.
>>>> Why hasn't Trump been charged till now?
>>>
>>> Some of the investigations took this long.
>>
>> Baloney.

More partisan two facedness.
He couldn't be investigated while he was President.
The investigation that started after he left office took too long.

Listen, asshat, the GOP spent thirty years trying to find enough dirt on a Clinton to get
a conviction. For *anything*, they weren't picky, they didn't care, they just wanted to
find some blatant, intentional wrong doing and they failed UTTERLY.

Yet it took only two years to find 91 indictments against Trump and that doesn't even
count all the civil suits he's lost and will continue to lose. Nor does it count all the
suits against right wing media for supporting him with blatant, intentional lies.

>> By the same token I can ask why it took the FBI years to investigate Hunter?
>> Only that was done on purpose to protect the Biden's.
>> Deep state again.
>
>Allegations without foundation.
>
>>
>>>> Surely Marxist Mayor DeBlasio hated Trump so why no investigations back then?
>>>>
>>>>>> I love how Biden accuses Putin of killing his opposition when Biden and the deep state are
>>>>>> effectively doing the same thing with Trump. Stopping just short of actually killing him of course.
>>>>>
>>>>> ROTFL! Biden is in no way "killing" Trump. Biden hasn't even punched or so much as
>>>>> called him a bad name. Biden isn't even the one taking Trump to court! The only thing
>>>>> Biden could even *remotely* be credited for is the Jansix charges brought by his Justice
>>>>> Department and you can hardly blame him for allowing that to happen, can you?
>>>>
>>>> Sure he is.
>>>> Do you think Fanni Willis and team's visit to the White House was for a phot op?
>>>> Do you think investigations into mayor Adams just happened to surface after Adams called out Joe
>>>> Biden?
>>>>
>>>> Joe Biden has weaponized the deep state to destroy his opponents and send a message to the voters.
>>>> It's so obvious because it is at an extreme level.
>>>>
>>>> Of course Joe Biden isn't taking anyone to court but his puppet masters and administration is
>>>> doing the dirty work.
>>>> Joe Biden isn't capable of reading a teleprompter without screwing it up.
>>>>
>>>
>>> LOL!
>>
>> Laugh all you wish but the public agrees with me.
>>
>> <https://www.newsweek.com/trump-indictment-stormy-daniels-gaetz-1791751>
>>
>> BTW, notice the Newsweek pivot, deflect and try to spin.

I already noted your pivot to Newsweek and your deflection and spin.

>LOL!

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 01:31:57 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-19, Mitchell Holman <noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Johnny <joh...@invalid.net> wrote in news:20240219091009.49378bcc@Johnny:
>>
>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 07:01:28 -0800
>>> Siri Cruise <chine...@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> pothead wrote:
>>>> > Trump paid back his loans with interest either on time or early.
>>>>
>>>> And now he is paying back with interest what he defrauded New
>>>> Yorkers.
>>>>
>>>
>>> How did he defraud New Yorkers?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Aside from The Trump Foundation
>> fraud and Trump University fraud
>> and the financial documents fraud?
>>
>>
>
>You seem to have trouble focusing.
>The thread is about the recent real estate trial.
>See the subject.

The subject line doesn't mention real estate fraud or New York but that's what it's about.

Trump defrauded banks and New Yorkers.

They hate him. Think about why. Could it be the shame he brought on his hometown?

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 01:35:45 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

You called Trump a shyster.

According to Oxford a shyster is:
a person, especially a lawyer, who uses unscrupulous, fraudulent, or deceptive methods in
business. "an ambulance-chasing shyster"

The thesaurus returns these words as synonyms for shyster. "cheater chiseler mouthpiece
pettifogger scammer trickster"

The etymology of shyster is from the German word Scheisse (= excrement), hence “scheisser”
became “shyster.”

>On 2024-02-19, Governor Swill wrote:

>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 13:58:49 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:
>>>Trump paid back his loans with interest either on time or early.
>>>The bankers described Trump as a 'whale' which is finance speak for a very wealthy client who can
>>>influence the asset's price.
>>>IOW a high roller.
>>
>> Then why don't American banks do business with him anymore? Nobody will deal with him
>> except Deutshebank and the Russians.

><https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2023/04/05/how-trumps-legal-problems-are-affecting-his-banking-relationships/?sh=1b468fc72ca7>

>
>If you have the assets to pay back the loan you could be Al Capone for all the banks care.

I stand corrected. Deutchsebank won't deal with him anymore.

See, you're mistaken. Lots of banks DIDN'T get their money back because Trump businesses
filed so many bankruptcies.

His MO was, borrow from multiple lenders against a property you inflate the value of,
pocket what you can, then when the business fails, file bankruptcy.

Banks don't like that.

"Longtime lender Deutsche Bank started backing away from Donald Trump before his recent
indictment. Axos Bank, which happily stepped up, seems content to stick with the
ex-president."

Anybody know what rate and terms Axos is extracting from the chiseler?

[Michael A Terrell]

On 2/20/2024 8:23 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child

molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <Pe4BN.386594$c3Ea....@fx10.iad>,
> mike.am...@earthlink.nut says...

> They do. They can refuse to take loads to NYC.

That's not a "ban."

Truckers who won't go into NYC will be replaced by those who will.

[Governor Swill]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 17:11:51 -0800 (PST), -hh <recscub...@huntzinger.com> wrote:

"Truckers Pour Cold Water on Pro-Trump New York Boycott: 'Not Happening'"
<https://www.newsweek.com/truckers-dispel-donald-trump-supporters-new-york-boycott-1871710>

"This trucker strike, nobody's talked to me about it and I know a lot of other guys on
other platforms like, 'Yeah, no, we've never talked about it either.' So one, it's not
happening, there's no strike against New York City—not over the Trump case, but more and
more people are refusing to go because of other issues."

He lists traffic, crime, tolls, local regulations and the amount of time required to get
in and out of the city.

[Skeeter]

In article <8f7atil1kg98d1kjc...@4ax.com>,
governo...@gmail.com says...

>
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 01:35:45 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:
>
> You called Trump a shyster.
>
> According to Oxford a shyster is:
> a person, especially a lawyer, who uses unscrupulous, fraudulent, or deceptive methods in
> business. "an ambulance-chasing shyster"
>
> The thesaurus returns these words as synonyms for shyster. "cheater chiseler mouthpiece
> pettifogger scammer trickster"
>

> The etymology of shyster is from the German word Scheisse (= excrement), hence ?scheisser?
> became ?shyster.?

>
> >On 2024-02-19, Governor Swill wrote:
> >> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 13:58:49 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:
> >>>Trump paid back his loans with interest either on time or early.
> >>>The bankers described Trump as a 'whale' which is finance speak for a very wealthy client who can
> >>>influence the asset's price.
> >>>IOW a high roller.
> >>
> >> Then why don't American banks do business with him anymore? Nobody will deal with him
> >> except Deutshebank and the Russians.
>
> ><https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2023/04/05/how-trumps-legal-problems-are-affecting-his-banking-relationships/?sh=1b468fc72ca7>
> >
> >If you have the assets to pay back the loan you could be Al Capone for all the banks care.
>
> I stand corrected. Deutchsebank won't deal with him anymore.
>
> See, you're mistaken. Lots of banks DIDN'T get their money back because Trump businesses
> filed so many bankruptcies.
>
> His MO was, borrow from multiple lenders against a property you inflate the value of,
> pocket what you can, then when the business fails, file bankruptcy.
>
> Banks don't like that.

Then why didn't they complain?

[-hh]

On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 9:39:35 AM UTC-5, Scout wrote:
> "Governor Swill" <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:44k4tidtjibv2vn1j...@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 23:50:56 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On 2024-02-17, Skeeter <Skeet...@proton.me> wrote:
> >
> >>> Even the banks in New York he borrowed from say they loved working with
> >>> him and he paid all his loans off. So where does that money go? The only
> >>> people with complaints were the prosecutor and the DA and the judge. No
> >>> victims.
> >>That was funny watching the prosecutions witnesses actually testifying FOR
> >>TRUMP.
> >>They made tons of money and loved Trump as a client.
> >>Ooops.
> >
> > Hookers and Johns don't complain about their business relationship but
> > it's still illegal.
> Ok, what law(s) were broken?
>
> Then show us who else has EVER been prosecuted under them.

<< Al Capone has entered the chat >>

> Meanwhile I understand developers are reconsidering any projects they have
> in New York lest some DA decides to second guess past, current, or future
> loan applications. Without loans to fund the projects, major construction
> in NY will come to a halt.

"Sir! Sir!" with a tear in his eye.

Name names, not conveniently vague rumors of maybe someone something mumbling.

-hh

[-hh]

On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 5:05:56 PM UTC-5, Skeeter wrote:
> Governor Swill wrote:
> >
> > ...

> > I stand corrected. Deutchsebank won't deal with him anymore.
> >
> > See, you're mistaken. Lots of banks DIDN'T get their money back because Trump
> > businesses filed so many bankruptcies.
> >
> > His MO was, borrow from multiple lenders against a property you inflate the value of,
> > pocket what you can, then when the business fails, file bankruptcy.
> >
> > Banks don't like that.
>
> Then why didn't they complain?

They didn't complain? In what particular venue are you putting this goalpost?

You've already seen instances of banks who chose to no longer do business
with him, so there's that.

If you're looking for a bank to stand up and testify in court, well there's a
very simple reason why they won't seek out doing that: their lawyers will
advise that testifying is a liability risk exposure downside, with zero upside,
so avoid being cornered into having to do that.

The bank's risk is that they may be forced to admit that they failed to price the
loan appropriate to the risk, which means that *even though Trump repaid*,
they didn't make as much profit due to the lower interest rate, which means that
they've opened themselves up to a lawsuit by their own stockholders for not
upholding their duty to prioritize profits. Same liability risk also applies if they
try to blame a "bad apple" employee and are compelled to admit that their
safeguards against such things had failed.

TL;DR: ask "what's the upside benefit for the bank to testify?", and you'll realize
that they just want the problem to go away, with their name never being mentioned.

-hh

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 16:53:27 -0800 (PST), -hh <recscub...@huntzinger.com> wrote:

Meanwhile the state wants to set an example for future fraudsters.

Swill
NP: Mozart: Minuet In B Flat, K Anh 68 (Fragment)

[Governor Swill]

Otoh, that's exactly what New York is trying to achieve - preventing bogus projects and
fraudulent business practices.

Is it just me or are Republicans saying that immorality is ok as long as you don't get
caught?

Swill

[Governor Swill]

How are they going to fuck it up be demanding ethical business practices?

Surely you don't think Tammany Hall is a good way to run a city?

[NoBody]

So did any of the brave libs ever answer your question?