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cicero venatio
Nov 16, 2012, 10:00:29 AM11/16/12
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Hostess asked the union to not strike, but the union doubled down on
their strike and now the company has decided to cease operations.
18,000 Hostess workers will now be sent to the growing unemployment
lines. What is so sad, is that the current union workers not only
destroyed themselves, but the they also destroyed the pensions of
retired Hostess workers. Destruction, is what unions are all about,
and an anachronism in these modern times.
their strike and now the company has decided to cease operations.
18,000 Hostess workers will now be sent to the growing unemployment
lines. What is so sad, is that the current union workers not only
destroyed themselves, but the they also destroyed the pensions of
retired Hostess workers. Destruction, is what unions are all about,
and an anachronism in these modern times.
Ron
Nov 16, 2012, 10:20:05 AM11/16/12
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bankruptcy requests.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/11/hostess-bankruptcy-_n_1198789.html
"The company's filing comes nearly three years after its predecessor
emerged from bankruptcy proceedings. That company, called Interstate
Bakeries and based in Kansas City, Mo., filed for bankruptcy
protection in 2004 and changed its name to Hostess Brands after it
emerged in 2009."
And further:
"Hostess has enough cash to keep stores stocked with its Ding Dongs,
Ho Hos and other snacks for now as it battles rising labor costs and
increased competition. But longer term, the 87-year-old company has a
bigger problem: health-conscious Americans favor yogurt and energy
bars over the dessert cakes and white bread they devoured 30 years
ago."
People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
it.
wolfagain
Nov 16, 2012, 10:27:47 AM11/16/12
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On Nov 16, 9:20 am, Ron <roneal1...@att.net> wrote:
> On Nov 16, 9:00 am, cicero venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hostess asked the union to not strike, but the union doubled down on
> > their strike and now the company has decided to cease operations.
> > 18,000 Hostess workers will now be sent to the growing unemployment
> > lines. What is so sad, is that the current union workers not only
> > destroyed themselves, but the they also destroyed the pensions of
> > retired Hostess workers. Destruction, is what unions are all about,
> > and an anachronism in these modern times.
>
> Hostess problems began in 2004 when they filed the first of two
> bankruptcy requests.
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/11/hostess-bankruptcy-_n_119878...
> On Nov 16, 9:00 am, cicero venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hostess asked the union to not strike, but the union doubled down on
> > their strike and now the company has decided to cease operations.
> > 18,000 Hostess workers will now be sent to the growing unemployment
> > lines. What is so sad, is that the current union workers not only
> > destroyed themselves, but the they also destroyed the pensions of
> > retired Hostess workers. Destruction, is what unions are all about,
> > and an anachronism in these modern times.
>
> Hostess problems began in 2004 when they filed the first of two
> bankruptcy requests.
>
>
> "The company's filing comes nearly three years after its predecessor
> emerged from bankruptcy proceedings. That company, called Interstate
> Bakeries and based in Kansas City, Mo., filed for bankruptcy
> protection in 2004 and changed its name to Hostess Brands after it
> emerged in 2009."
>
> And further:
>
> "Hostess has enough cash to keep stores stocked with its Ding Dongs,
> Ho Hos and other snacks for now as it battles rising labor costs and
> increased competition. But longer term, the 87-year-old company has a
> bigger problem: health-conscious Americans favor yogurt and energy
> bars over the dessert cakes and white bread they devoured 30 years
> ago."
>
> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
> it.
MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees? How many union
> "The company's filing comes nearly three years after its predecessor
> emerged from bankruptcy proceedings. That company, called Interstate
> Bakeries and based in Kansas City, Mo., filed for bankruptcy
> protection in 2004 and changed its name to Hostess Brands after it
> emerged in 2009."
>
> And further:
>
> "Hostess has enough cash to keep stores stocked with its Ding Dongs,
> Ho Hos and other snacks for now as it battles rising labor costs and
> increased competition. But longer term, the 87-year-old company has a
> bigger problem: health-conscious Americans favor yogurt and energy
> bars over the dessert cakes and white bread they devoured 30 years
> ago."
>
> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
> it.
bosses lost THEIR jobs???
Vandar
Nov 16, 2012, 10:33:34 AM11/16/12
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part:
"Additionally, Hostess employees are unionized while most of its
competitors aren't. As a result, Hostess has high pension and medical
benefit costs."
Hostess would've survived if the union hadn't gone on strike.
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Eddie Haskell
Nov 16, 2012, 10:54:35 AM11/16/12
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broke because of unions.
At any rate. Not to worry. The company will probably move to china and you
can continue to get your daily fix of cream filled ding dongs.
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
Nov 16, 2012, 10:56:54 AM11/16/12
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"Morgoth Bauglir" <Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>>> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
>>> it.
>>
>> MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees?
>
> They obviously don't need ANY employees.
>
>>> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
>>> it.
>>
>> MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees?
>
>
> And America's health will improve as a result.
Bubaddy but but but but..
> I do note one common thread - for most Rmney supporters, bad news for
> America is regarded as _good_ news for them.
>
> Why is that?
Nice try, but why is 18,000 people losing their jobs good news to you?
-Eddie Haskell
Ron
Nov 16, 2012, 11:20:07 AM11/16/12
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Nov 16, 2012, 11:21:05 AM11/16/12
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Moder@tor
Nov 16, 2012, 11:41:39 AM11/16/12
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workers anymore. Wonder Bread, Twinkies and the rest of the unhealthy shit they
offered are dinosaurs of generations past. The slide rules of food so to speak.
Had they flexed with the trends, they might have had a chance to stay afloat,
but to stay with the same products for so many years is the death of even the
fittest companies. Coca-Cola, for example, even changed their products and
diversified to stay on top of the market. This had absolutely nothing to do with
union workers, whose striking was the straw that broke the camels back, rather
the owners and managers, whose shortsightedness killed the company.
Vandar
Nov 16, 2012, 11:50:32 AM11/16/12
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Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:33:34 -0500, Vandar <vand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Additionally, Hostess employees are unionized while most of its
>>competitors aren't. As a result, Hostess has high pension and medical
>>benefit costs."
>
>
> THen Hostess should have been willing to throw support To Health Care
> REFORM
>
> Hostess corp signs CONTRACTS
>
> Unions MUST abide by contracts
Until they decide not to and go on strike.
> So must Hostess.
>
> As for the demise of Hostess-----
>
> Your hero Schitt made his money from deals like this.
No he didn't. Hostess entered Chapter 11 on its own. When they attemped
to renegotiate the contracts due to a court order, the union went on
strike, putting all of them out of work.
> SOMEONE is going to make MILLIONS from this so-called bankruptcy.
Only if their assets are purchased by another company, which might not
happen.
> Count on it. (and it aint gonna be union workers)
Good. It shouldn't be union workers.
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:33:34 -0500, Vandar <vand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Additionally, Hostess employees are unionized while most of its
>>competitors aren't. As a result, Hostess has high pension and medical
>>benefit costs."
>
>
> REFORM
>
> Hostess corp signs CONTRACTS
>
> Unions MUST abide by contracts
Until they decide not to and go on strike.
> So must Hostess.
>
> As for the demise of Hostess-----
>
> Your hero Schitt made his money from deals like this.
No he didn't. Hostess entered Chapter 11 on its own. When they attemped
to renegotiate the contracts due to a court order, the union went on
strike, putting all of them out of work.
> SOMEONE is going to make MILLIONS from this so-called bankruptcy.
Only if their assets are purchased by another company, which might not
happen.
> Count on it. (and it aint gonna be union workers)
Good. It shouldn't be union workers.
Vandar
Nov 16, 2012, 11:59:02 AM11/16/12
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Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:00:29 -0800 (PST), cicero venatio
> <jazz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>What is so sad, is that the current union workers not only
>>destroyed themselves, but the they also destroyed the pensions of
>>retired Hostess workers. Destruction, is what unions are all about,
>>and an anachronism in these modern times.
>
>
> What is sad---is that you don't recognize this is EXACTLY what your
> uber-hero Schitt Rumney made his money doing....
>
> Don't you recognize the pattern?
>
> Wanna bet that someone is going to make MILLIONS off this so-called
> bankruptcy?
Yeah. Dick Gephardt and his son.
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:00:29 -0800 (PST), cicero venatio
> <jazz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>What is so sad, is that the current union workers not only
>>destroyed themselves, but the they also destroyed the pensions of
>>retired Hostess workers. Destruction, is what unions are all about,
>>and an anachronism in these modern times.
>
>
> uber-hero Schitt Rumney made his money doing....
>
> Don't you recognize the pattern?
>
> Wanna bet that someone is going to make MILLIONS off this so-called
> bankruptcy?
Yeah. Dick Gephardt and his son.
Eddie Haskell
Nov 16, 2012, 12:03:22 PM11/16/12
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Are you confused? Are you Morgoth Bauglir?
"And America's health will improve as a result."
-Eddie Haskell
"And America's health will improve as a result."
Eddie Haskell
Nov 16, 2012, 12:04:42 PM11/16/12
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No, that was your talking point for when unions bankrupted GM. Can't you
think of something more imaginative to excuse your destruction of America?
-Eddie Haskell
think of something more imaginative to excuse your destruction of America?
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
Nov 16, 2012, 12:07:08 PM11/16/12
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business in America is sickening.
How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
-Eddie Haskell
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anon
Nov 16, 2012, 12:22:55 PM11/16/12
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Millers International Union went on strike last week after rejecting in
September a contract offer that cut wages and benefits. Hostess said Friday
the company is unprofitable "under its current cost structure, much of which
is determined by union wages and pension costs."
This is yet another classic case of union thugs killing the goose that laid
the golden egg.
Maybe Obama can bail Hostess out, too.
Eddie Haskell
Nov 16, 2012, 12:25:12 PM11/16/12
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>
>> How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
>>
>> -Eddie Haskell
>
> Actually, things went quite well last week.
>> How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
>>
>> -Eddie Haskell
>
>
> For America.
>
> Not for you.
>
> But Truth, Justice, and the American Way of Life prevailed.
You're lying.
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
Nov 16, 2012, 12:27:23 PM11/16/12
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He'd bail out the union and leave the problem for someone else later on like
with GM.
-Eddie Haskell
anon
Nov 16, 2012, 12:30:12 PM11/16/12
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People were not buying GM products mainly because of the cost. And who drove
up those costs?
How about the UAW, huh????
Also, just a few months after the infamous GM bailout the sales of Ford
products increased greatly.
Why? We all know why. It was the American peoples' way of shunning GM for
taking a handout.
up those costs?
How about the UAW, huh????
Also, just a few months after the infamous GM bailout the sales of Ford
products increased greatly.
Why? We all know why. It was the American peoples' way of shunning GM for
taking a handout.
Conservative Crybaby
Nov 16, 2012, 12:47:27 PM11/16/12
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Eddie Haskell
Nov 16, 2012, 12:48:02 PM11/16/12
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money.
Just like with Hostess.
In short, liberals are lying.
Again.
GM sales in 2007: 9,370,000 vehicles
Toyota sales in 2007: 9,366,418 vehicles
GM profit/loss in 2007: -$38,730,000,000 (-$4,055 per car)
Toyota profit in 2007: +$17,146,000,000 (+$1,874 per car)
http://www.mrswing.com/articles/Profit_Loss_GM_vs_Toyota_Same_Cars.html
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
Nov 16, 2012, 12:52:55 PM11/16/12
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-Eddie Haskell
FirstPost
Nov 16, 2012, 12:54:37 PM11/16/12
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Little Debbie brands are still going strong and they make basically
the same products as Hostess.
And that's just one of the competitors.
Hostess could have kept it's doors open but your beloved union
effectively told them that they'd rather be out of a job with no
retirement or benefits at all than to take any kind of even temporary
pay cut.
Hostess says they can't afford the union bullshit but you who don't
work for them or know jack shit about their financial situation wants
to sit there and claim you have all the answers.
Thanks for proving yourself to be just another wannabe know it all
that in reality knows nothing.
Eddie Haskell
Nov 16, 2012, 12:59:35 PM11/16/12
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they used when GM went bankrupt thanks to unions. I have to wonder just how
bad things will have to get before they stop lying about everything on
goddamn earth.
18,000 jobs lost?
Democrats: Fuck 'em.
FirstPost
Nov 16, 2012, 1:05:52 PM11/16/12
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thing about any of the workers now being without a job?
The only thing they've been posting is their stupid rationalizations
to defend the union that is actually responsible for the closing.
They were told flat out "If you don't end the strike then the company
will be forced to close its doors for good".
The union spit in their face and dared them to do it.
Let 'em scream "corporate greed" until they're blue in the face.
They still ain't got no job now.
The national union bosses get to keep their $100 thousand plus a year
salaries while the employees they claim to care so much about are now
in the unemployment line.
In their underdeveloped little minds corporate greed is bad while
union greed is good.
Stupid sons of bitches got what they deserve.
FirstPost
Nov 16, 2012, 1:07:57 PM11/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:07:08 -0600, "Eddie Haskell" <tyv...@sqpcb.com>
wrote:
Actually it's pretty funny to watch all of those useful idiots
believing that them and their union has anyone by the balls.
Yessiree they sure did show Hostess who was boss didn;t they?
>
>-Eddie Haskell
>
wrote:
believing that them and their union has anyone by the balls.
Yessiree they sure did show Hostess who was boss didn;t they?
>
>How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
They won't ever give a damn. They're too fucking stupid.
>How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
>
>-Eddie Haskell
>
FirstPost
Nov 16, 2012, 1:11:48 PM11/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:21:05 -0800 (PST), Ron <ronea...@att.net>
wrote:
You did say something just as fucking stupid though.
wrote:
Eddie Haskell
Nov 16, 2012, 1:14:17 PM11/16/12
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-Eddie Haskell
pyotr filipivich
Nov 16, 2012, 1:15:49 PM11/16/12
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Yoor...@Jurgis.net on Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:32:50 -0700 typed in
seattle.politics the following:
>
>That's clear.
The Company called the Union's bluff.
The Union won, the workers lost.
--
pyotr filipivich
Most journalists these days couldn't investigate a missing chocolate cake
at a pre-school without a Democrat office holder telling them what to look for,
where, and why it is Geroge Bush's fault.
seattle.politics the following:
>On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:00:29 -0800 (PST), cicero venatio
><jazz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Hostess asked the union to not strike, but the union doubled down on
>>their strike and now the company has decided to cease operations.
>
>So----It was a company choice
>
>>Hostess asked the union to not strike, but the union doubled down on
>>their strike and now the company has decided to cease operations.
>
>
>That's clear.
The Company called the Union's bluff.
The Union won, the workers lost.
--
pyotr filipivich
Most journalists these days couldn't investigate a missing chocolate cake
at a pre-school without a Democrat office holder telling them what to look for,
where, and why it is Geroge Bush's fault.
pyotr filipivich
Nov 16, 2012, 1:15:49 PM11/16/12
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Ron <ronea...@att.net> on Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:20:07 -0800 (PST)
So the obvious solution to that fact is for the Union to strike
for Higher Wages?
The company is going broke, so lets demand a raise.
"We're losing money on each sale, but we're making it up in
volume."
sheesh,
pyotr
typed in seattle.politics the following:
>On Nov 16, 9:27 am, wolfagain <w...@provide.net> wrote:
>> On Nov 16, 9:20 am, Ron <roneal1...@att.net> wrote:
>> On Nov 16, 9:20 am, Ron <roneal1...@att.net> wrote:
>> > On Nov 16, 9:00 am, cicero venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Hostess asked the union to not strike, but the union doubled down on
>> > > their strike and now the company has decided to cease operations.
>>
>> > > Hostess asked the union to not strike, but the union doubled down on
>> > > their strike and now the company has decided to cease operations.
for Higher Wages?
The company is going broke, so lets demand a raise.
"We're losing money on each sale, but we're making it up in
volume."
sheesh,
pyotr
FirstPost
Nov 16, 2012, 1:15:13 PM11/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:21:05 -0800 (PST), Ron <ronea...@att.net>
wrote:
>On Nov 16, 9:56 am, "Eddie Haskell" <tyv...@sqpcb.com> wrote:
>> "Morgoth Bauglir" <Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1mopzm6iq9mbr.1...@40tude.net...
>>
>>
>>
>> >>> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
>> >>> it.
>>
>> >> MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees?
>>
>> >>> it.
>>
>> >> MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees?
>>
>> > They obviously don't need ANY employees.
>>
>> > And America's health will improve as a result.
>>
>> Bubaddy but but but but..
>>
>> > I do note one common thread - for most Rmney supporters, bad news for
>> > America is regarded as _good_ news for them.
>>
>> > Why is that?
>>
>> Nice try, but why is 18,000 people losing their jobs good news to you?
>>
>> -Eddie Haskell
>
>Nincompoop....I NEVER said it was good news.
So you are admitting that youre just another nym shifting post forging
>>
>> > And America's health will improve as a result.
>>
>> Bubaddy but but but but..
>>
>> > I do note one common thread - for most Rmney supporters, bad news for
>> > America is regarded as _good_ news for them.
>>
>> > Why is that?
>>
>> Nice try, but why is 18,000 people losing their jobs good news to you?
>>
>> -Eddie Haskell
>
>Nincompoop....I NEVER said it was good news.
idiot.
Now join your sock puppet "Morgoth Bauglir" <Mel...@Mordor.com> in the
killfile loser.
The last tiny bit of any possible credibility you may have had just
got flushed down the toilet.
It's what happens when idiot trolls forget what nym they;re posting
under.
You really are one stupid son of a bitch.
Eddie Haskell
Nov 16, 2012, 1:23:10 PM11/16/12
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of course, as people who eat twinkies will just find something else, and are
we now to celebrate the death of every company deemed bad for your health?
No, his was an attempt to put a positive spin on it in his attempt to defend
the union that put them out of business.
Pathetic.
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
Nov 16, 2012, 1:24:33 PM11/16/12
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>
>
>>> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
>>> it.
>>
>> MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees?
>
> They obviously don't need ANY employees.
>
> And America's health will improve as a result.
bankrupt?
Now, grovel before me, you pathetic moron.
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
Nov 16, 2012, 1:28:22 PM11/16/12
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> Yoor...@Jurgis.net on Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:32:50 -0700 typed in
> seattle.politics the following:
>>On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:00:29 -0800 (PST), cicero venatio
>><jazz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hostess asked the union to not strike, but the union doubled down on
>>>their strike and now the company has decided to cease operations.
>>
>>So----It was a company choice
>>
>>That's clear.
>
> The Company called the Union's bluff.
>
> The Union won, the workers lost.
Just like Hussein won and America lost.
> seattle.politics the following:
>>On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:00:29 -0800 (PST), cicero venatio
>><jazz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hostess asked the union to not strike, but the union doubled down on
>>>their strike and now the company has decided to cease operations.
>>
>>So----It was a company choice
>>
>>That's clear.
>
> The Company called the Union's bluff.
>
> The Union won, the workers lost.
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
Nov 16, 2012, 1:33:05 PM11/16/12
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Good point, even if his lie was true.
-Eddie Haskell
-Eddie Haskell
cicero venatio
Nov 16, 2012, 1:40:58 PM11/16/12
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> What is sad---is that you don't recognize this is EXACTLY what your
> uber-hero Schitt Rumney made his money doing....
>
> Don't you recognize the pattern?
>
> Wanna bet that someone is going to make MILLIONS off this so-called
> bankruptcy?
Can you stop the "revenge" and pitting American vs American?
Wm. Esque
Nov 16, 2012, 1:48:15 PM11/16/12
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On 11/16/2012 10:38 AM, Morgoth Bauglir wrote:
>
>
>>> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
>>> it.
>>
>> MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees?
>
>
>
>>> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
>>> it.
>>
>> MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees?
>
> They obviously don't need ANY employees.
>
> And America's health will improve as a result.
>
>
> And America's health will improve as a result.
>
> I do note one common thread - for most Rmney supporters, bad news for
> America is regarded as _good_ news for them.
<
As an independent, I like things about the democrat party and some
> America is regarded as _good_ news for them.
<
things about the republican party.
I like the idea of fairness, advocated by the democrats, but I agree
with the Republicans that the country cannot go on borrowing to pay for
fairness.
Also raising taxes does not encourage risking capital on new venture.
Unless the rich are willing to take risk, there can be no new job creation.
>
> Why is that?
>
An answer to your "common thread" question. As an Obama supporter one
would think his re-election is good for America; a Romney supporter
thinks Obama's re-election spells disaster for America.
Eddie Haskell
Nov 16, 2012, 1:55:48 PM11/16/12
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"Wm. Esque" <wes...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 11/16/2012 10:38 AM, Morgoth Bauglir wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees?
>>
>> They obviously don't need ANY employees.
>>
>> And America's health will improve as a result.
>>
>> I do note one common thread - for most Rmney supporters, bad news for
>> America is regarded as _good_ news for them.
> <
> As an independent, I like things about the democrat party and some
> things about the republican party.
> I like the idea of fairness, advocated by the democrats
What, stealing from people who have earned what they have in order to give
>>
>>
>>>> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees?
>>
>> They obviously don't need ANY employees.
>>
>> And America's health will improve as a result.
>>
>> I do note one common thread - for most Rmney supporters, bad news for
>> America is regarded as _good_ news for them.
> <
> As an independent, I like things about the democrat party and some
> things about the republican party.
> I like the idea of fairness, advocated by the democrats
it to someone else in exchange for a vote? That kind of "fairness?"
-Eddie Haskell
roneatskok
Nov 16, 2012, 2:01:17 PM11/16/12
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> People were not buying their products.
>
Seabrook, TX 77586
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Wm. Esque
Nov 16, 2012, 2:04:30 PM11/16/12
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On 11/16/2012 10:56 AM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
> "Morgoth Bauglir" <Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote in message
> news:1mopzm6iq9mbr.1...@40tude.net...
>>
>>
> "Morgoth Bauglir" <Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote in message
> news:1mopzm6iq9mbr.1...@40tude.net...
>>
>>
>>>> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees?
>>
>> They obviously don't need ANY employees.
>>
>> And America's health will improve as a result.
>
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees?
>>
>> They obviously don't need ANY employees.
>>
>> And America's health will improve as a result.
>
> Bubaddy but but but but..
>
>
>> I do note one common thread - for most Rmney supporters, bad news for
>> America is regarded as _good_ news for them.
>>
>> America is regarded as _good_ news for them.
>>
>> Why is that?
>
> Nice try, but why is 18,000 people losing their jobs good news to you?
>
I don't think this is what he means. He thinks 18,000 people loosing
>
> Nice try, but why is 18,000 people losing their jobs good news to you?
>
there jobs is seen by republicans as good news for America. And any
failure of the Obama agenda is seen as good news for America. He's wrong
about the 18,000 lost jobs, but he is right about how republicans see
Obama's agenda. The Obama agenda, if successful would spell disaster for
America. A FUNDAMENTAL transformation of America is not what republicans
want. Furthermore, if democrats, understood this means, they would not
want this fundamental transformation either.
>
> -Eddie Haskell
>
>
Conservative Crybaby
Nov 16, 2012, 2:06:37 PM11/16/12
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Hee hee.
vit...@gmail.com
Nov 16, 2012, 2:07:34 PM11/16/12
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roneatskok
Nov 16, 2012, 2:10:35 PM11/16/12
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On 11/16/2012 9:21 AM, Ron wrote:
> Nincompoop....I NEVER said it was good news.
> Nincompoop....I NEVER said it was good news.
roneatskok
Nov 16, 2012, 2:12:19 PM11/16/12
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On 11/16/2012 8:20 AM, Ron wrote:
> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
> it.
> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
> it.
Eddie Haskell
Nov 16, 2012, 2:17:25 PM11/16/12
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Some would. The democrats are a coalition of the corrupt and stupid.
-Eddie Haskell
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
Nov 16, 2012, 2:18:41 PM11/16/12
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Where will you live after you bankrupt the country? What will you use for
money after you destroy the currency?
You're too stupid to know that you and America lost too.
Goddamn America.
-Eddie Haskell
money after you destroy the currency?
You're too stupid to know that you and America lost too.
-Eddie Haskell
Wm. Esque
Nov 16, 2012, 2:30:08 PM11/16/12
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Obama ran on the promise of bringing about a "FUNDAMENTAL transformation
of America". I suspect this means the
American way of life is exactly what Obama wants changed.
If Obama is totally successful in implementing his agenda,
One can only wonder how many Americans will be happy with
a fundamentally transformationed America. And how can it
be an improvement over the old American way which gave us
the highest standard of living, the greatest opportunity
for personal success, the most powerful nation on
the planet, the richest country and the greatest personal
freedoms in the history of the world.
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JILL KELLEY
Nov 16, 2012, 2:44:42 PM11/16/12
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This will spell the end of "soul food" for fat white people.
Eddie Haskell
Nov 16, 2012, 2:46:05 PM11/16/12
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"Kirby Grant" <KGr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:yEwps.186744$3u3.1...@fed04.iad...
>
> On 16-Nov-2012, Morgoth Bauglir <Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote at
> alt.politics.elections:
>
>> > How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
>> >
>> > -Eddie Haskell
>>
>> Actually, things went quite well last week.
>>
>> For America.
>>
>> Not for you.
>>
>> But Truth, Justice, and the American Way of Life prevailed.
>
> Eddie really doesn't care at all. He just likes to flap his gums to
>> > How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
>> >
>> > -Eddie Haskell
>>
>> Actually, things went quite well last week.
>>
>> For America.
>>
>> Not for you.
>>
>> But Truth, Justice, and the American Way of Life prevailed.
>
> pretend
> he cares so that he can get attention. Keep in mind that he is a Canadian,
> not a U.S. citizen. But since no one up there will engage him in debate he
> tries to pretend he is involved in matters in the U.S. He is just
> pathetic,
> that's all.
"A fetus is not alive until it takes its first breath."
-Kirby Grant, Tuesday, February 21,
2012 1:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"If tobacco caused cancer then everyone who has ever smoked tobacco would
have developed cancer "
-Kirby Grant, Friday, April 20, 2012 12:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Every Republican president in this century was placed in office through
voter fraud."
-Kirby Grant, Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"I voted for the person who became president. Therefore it was the correct
vote."
-Kirby Grant, Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Although it is more polite to just say "menally challenged" these days."
-Kirby Grant, Sunday, March 11, 2012 6:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"All churches are racist hate churches""
-Kirby Grant, Friday, March 09, 2012 12:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
Eddie Haskell: At any rate, you obviously believe that he [Hussein] was born
in the US.
Kirby Grant: I don't believe that at all. I know that he was born in Hawaii.
-Monday, December 12, 2011 3:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"I don't believe things. I operate without beliefs."
-Kirby Grant, Monday, December 12, 2011 2:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Beliefs are not based on facts or experience."
-Kirby Grant, Wednesday, November 30, 2011 7:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Believe what you want. Beliefs are for fools and pathetic snots like
yourself."
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, June 09, 2011 11:26 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"I am perfectly capable of living without beliefs. "
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, August 25, 2011 2:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"I told you a long time ago I do not "believe" things. That is something
that weak-minded people do. "
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, August 25, 2011 2:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"The original message was about Sarah "I can see Russia from my front door"
Palin."
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, August 04, 2011 4:34 PM
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110608094524AAnEDin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Only fringe loonies listen."
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"I voted for President Obama because he was the most qualified individual
who ran for president in 2008. "
-Kirby Grant, Friday, July 22, 2011 3:13 PM
"That's ridiculous. Of course he received congressional approval. He issued
an executive order."
-Kirby Grant, Sunday, May 22, 2011 7:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"I don't have any beliefs at all, except that I believe I'll have another
diet coke since I'm thirsty. Beliefs are for those who don't have
knowledge."
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, June 09, 2011 1:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
In fact, Dubya wasn't actually a natural born citizen - his mother gave
birth to him via C-section. Which means he was not born naturally.
-Kirby Grant, Sunday, May 22, 2011 7:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"About the only thing noteworthy about 9/11 is that NYC got a hole in the
ground that has been far more profitable for the city than the buildings
that used to exist on that spot. Generally it can be said that they are
fairly satisfied with the overall results over the past decade. They
couldn't have done better unless they had planned it
themselves."
-Kirby Grant, Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Obama will be re-elected. By a very comfortable margin."
-Kirby Grant, Tuesday, May 24, 2011 9:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"How is it possible that you are just one person and yet you have more
ignorance 'then' a thousand men?"
-Kirby Grant, Friday, June 03, 2011 10:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Of course I have a brand in this fire because I had been married to an
immoral slut who I didn't realize was banging half the guys in town whenever
I was away on a business trip and that was often several times a month."
-Kirby Grant, Tuesday, May 31, 2011 10:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"As a matter of fact, yes. I am a historian. Not that you would have ever
read my materials - which were written under a different identity."
-Kirby Grant,Tuesday, May 31, 2011 2:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Given the latest announcement by the WHO regarding cell phone usage and
brain cancer, I'm betting Republicans won't be smart enough to decrease
their cell phone usage."
-Kirby Grant, Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Being BORN on either the north American or South American continent or the
Latin America in between the north american and south american continent
more or less conveys the status of being an American."
-Kirby Grant, Tuesday, May 31, 2011 5:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"You see, we have plenty of confusion on the Democratic side as well, but we
know better 'then' to start having splinter groups. "
-Kirby Grant, Monday, July 18, 2011 1:29 PM
"Again with the vast ignorance. I was wrong - you have more ignorance 'then'
ten thousand other men."
-Kirby Grant, Friday, June 03, 2011 10:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"I know better 'then' to address a letter to the president."
-Kirby Grant, Wednesday, June 08, 2011 5:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"People who have never served have no right at all to comment on how
military operations are performed."
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, January 26, 2012 3:27 PM
Haskell: The democrats oppose school choice on behalf of the NEA because
they don't want the competition.
Grant: The National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) doesn't do any of what you
just claimed.
-Thursday, December 29, 2011 2:42 PM
"Liberals have been winning in this country for well over 200 years"
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:38 PM
"Classical liberalism is the philosophy committed to the ideal of limited
government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, and liberty of
individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and
free markets"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
"For starters, liberal and liberalism are two different ideas."
-Kirby Grant, Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:23 AM
Eddie Haskell: Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Kirby Grant: Like all other stupid conservatives, you live in sound bite
hell. Your first sentence is not true and has never been true. It only
exists as a sound bite because it sounds clever. But is is totally outside
proof.
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:38 PM
"Classical liberalism simply does not apply any longer. It is part of the
myths that float around in that infantile mind you possess. It describe
something that exist some time in the past, but which has been superceded by
post-modernism."
-Kirby Grant, Monday, December 19, 2011 8:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Beware of anyone who writes about "postmodernism". "
-Kirby Grant, Monday, July 09, 2012 3:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
Nov 16, 2012, 2:46:33 PM11/16/12
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>
> On 16-Nov-2012, wrote at alt.politics.elections:
> that's
> the easiest way to make him go away.
>
> On 16-Nov-2012, wrote at alt.politics.elections:
>
>> On Nov 16, 9:56 am, "Eddie Haskell" <tyv...@sqpcb.com> wrote:
>> > "Morgoth Bauglir" <Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote in message
>> >
>> On Nov 16, 9:56 am, "Eddie Haskell" <tyv...@sqpcb.com> wrote:
>> > "Morgoth Bauglir" <Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote in message
>> >
>> > news:1mopzm6iq9mbr.1...@40tude.net...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >>> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do
>> > >>> with
>> > >>> it.
>> >
>> > >> MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees?
>> >
>> > > They obviously don't need ANY employees.
>> >
>> > > And America's health will improve as a result.
>> >
>> > Bubaddy but but but but..
>> >
>> > > I do note one common thread - for most Rmney supporters, bad news for
>> > > America is regarded as _good_ news for them.
>> >
>> > > Why is that?
>> >
>> > Nice try, but why is 18,000 people losing their jobs good news to you?
>> >
>> > -Eddie Haskell
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >>> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do
>> > >>> with
>> > >>> it.
>> >
>> > >> MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees?
>> >
>> > > They obviously don't need ANY employees.
>> >
>> > > And America's health will improve as a result.
>> >
>> > Bubaddy but but but but..
>> >
>> > > I do note one common thread - for most Rmney supporters, bad news for
>> > > America is regarded as _good_ news for them.
>> >
>> > > Why is that?
>> >
>> > Nice try, but why is 18,000 people losing their jobs good news to you?
>> >
>>
>> Nincompoop....I NEVER said it was good news.
>
> You should recognize by now that Eddie is an idiot. Just filter him -
>> Nincompoop....I NEVER said it was good news.
>
> that's
> the easiest way to make him go away.
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Moder@tor
Nov 16, 2012, 2:50:17 PM11/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:54:37 -0600, FirstPost
<AIOE_posters_...@AIOE.org> wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:41:39 +0100, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
>>workers anymore. Wonder Bread, Twinkies and the rest of the unhealthy shit they
>>offered are dinosaurs of generations past. The slide rules of food so to speak.
>>Had they flexed with the trends, they might have had a chance to stay afloat,
>>but to stay with the same products for so many years is the death of even the
>>fittest companies. Coca-Cola, for example, even changed their products and
>>diversified to stay on top of the market. This had absolutely nothing to do with
>>union workers, whose striking was the straw that broke the camels back, rather
>>the owners and managers, whose shortsightedness killed the company.
>
>What a lo0ad of pure bullshit.
>Little Debbie brands are still going strong and they make basically
>the same products as Hostess.
>And that's just one of the competitors.
Who?? Never heard of them. Face it, a baked product that has a shelf life of
several tens of years is passé. There are too many great substitutes. Hostess
was having problems before the strike, which is evident from their bankruptcy.
Their products were no longer in demand and they didn't change with the times.
Where is that company that made slide rules now??
>
>Hostess could have kept it's doors open but your beloved union
>effectively told them that they'd rather be out of a job with no
>retirement or benefits at all than to take any kind of even temporary
>pay cut.
BS. They were on their last breath. Perhaps those workers should have been smart
enough to take their last few paychecks and shut the fuck up, but they weren't
and didn't. Survival of the fittest. Every smart company changes with the
trends, witness Cracker Jacks new product lines. Wonder Bread, Twinkies and
Cupcakes had't ever changed. And now they're gone. Hard cheese.
>Hostess says they can't afford the union bullshit but you who don't
>work for them or know jack shit about their financial situation wants
>to sit there and claim you have all the answers.
>Thanks for proving yourself to be just another wannabe know it all
>that in reality knows nothing.
Seems you know even less, and want to lambast me for telling the truth. Must be
a Righturd. Looking forward to hearing you whine for another four years, Bubba.
I'll play the fiddle. An antiquated product that isn't healthy goes belly up.
BFD. Life is tough and hard cheese. If what you say would have any foundation in
fact at all, you'd be dancing in the street that a union brought down a business
and put all of their own out of work. Shows what you know.....nada. Next!
>
<AIOE_posters_...@AIOE.org> wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:41:39 +0100, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
>>>> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
>>>> it.
>>>
>>>> it.
>>>
>>>MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees? How many union
>>>bosses lost THEIR jobs???
>>
>>Rhetorical question at best. The answer? They didn't. They didn't need any
>>>bosses lost THEIR jobs???
>>
>>workers anymore. Wonder Bread, Twinkies and the rest of the unhealthy shit they
>>offered are dinosaurs of generations past. The slide rules of food so to speak.
>>Had they flexed with the trends, they might have had a chance to stay afloat,
>>but to stay with the same products for so many years is the death of even the
>>fittest companies. Coca-Cola, for example, even changed their products and
>>diversified to stay on top of the market. This had absolutely nothing to do with
>>union workers, whose striking was the straw that broke the camels back, rather
>>the owners and managers, whose shortsightedness killed the company.
>
>What a lo0ad of pure bullshit.
>Little Debbie brands are still going strong and they make basically
>the same products as Hostess.
>And that's just one of the competitors.
Who?? Never heard of them. Face it, a baked product that has a shelf life of
several tens of years is passé. There are too many great substitutes. Hostess
was having problems before the strike, which is evident from their bankruptcy.
Their products were no longer in demand and they didn't change with the times.
Where is that company that made slide rules now??
>
>Hostess could have kept it's doors open but your beloved union
>effectively told them that they'd rather be out of a job with no
>retirement or benefits at all than to take any kind of even temporary
>pay cut.
BS. They were on their last breath. Perhaps those workers should have been smart
enough to take their last few paychecks and shut the fuck up, but they weren't
and didn't. Survival of the fittest. Every smart company changes with the
trends, witness Cracker Jacks new product lines. Wonder Bread, Twinkies and
Cupcakes had't ever changed. And now they're gone. Hard cheese.
>Hostess says they can't afford the union bullshit but you who don't
>work for them or know jack shit about their financial situation wants
>to sit there and claim you have all the answers.
>Thanks for proving yourself to be just another wannabe know it all
>that in reality knows nothing.
Seems you know even less, and want to lambast me for telling the truth. Must be
a Righturd. Looking forward to hearing you whine for another four years, Bubba.
I'll play the fiddle. An antiquated product that isn't healthy goes belly up.
BFD. Life is tough and hard cheese. If what you say would have any foundation in
fact at all, you'd be dancing in the street that a union brought down a business
and put all of their own out of work. Shows what you know.....nada. Next!
>
Eddie Haskell
Nov 16, 2012, 2:50:36 PM11/16/12
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news:bFwps.3397$aK1....@fe49.iad...
>
> On 16-Nov-2012, Conservative Crybaby <dmc...@home.com> wrote at
> alt.politics.elections:
>
> On 16-Nov-2012, Conservative Crybaby <dmc...@home.com> wrote at
> alt.politics.elections:
>
>> On 11/16/2012 12:25 PM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>> > "Morgoth Bauglir"<Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote in message
>> > news:16tm704dy2w67.17ih5qygaarcl$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On 11/16/2012 12:25 PM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>> > "Morgoth Bauglir"<Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote in message
>> >>
>> >>> How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
>> >>>
>> >>> -Eddie Haskell
>> >>
>> >> Actually, things went quite well last week.
>> >>
>> >> For America.
>> >>
>> >> Not for you.
>> >>
>> >> But Truth, Justice, and the American Way of Life prevailed.
>> >
>> >>> How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
>> >>>
>> >>> -Eddie Haskell
>> >>
>> >> Actually, things went quite well last week.
>> >>
>> >> For America.
>> >>
>> >> Not for you.
>> >>
>> >> But Truth, Justice, and the American Way of Life prevailed.
>> >
>> > You're lying.
>> >
>> > -Eddie Haskell
>>
>> You're a sore loser.
>
>
> You could take out the word "sore" and be even more correct about Eddie.
>> >
>> > -Eddie Haskell
>>
>> You're a sore loser.
>
>
Moder@tor
Nov 16, 2012, 2:54:40 PM11/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:22:55 -0500, "anon" <anon@anon> wrote:
>
>"Eddie Haskell" <tyv...@sqpcb.com> wrote in message
>news:%oups.246473$GG4....@fed06.iad...
>>
>> "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote in message
>> news:huqca8t3hkqa8tnig...@4ax.com...
>> Watching you idiots defend unions that are making it impossible to do
>> business in America is sickening.
>Millers International Union went on strike last week after rejecting in
>September a contract offer that cut wages and benefits. Hostess said Friday
>the company is unprofitable "under its current cost structure, much of which
>is determined by union wages and pension costs."
When one has less revenue, of course more costs will kill them. They had an
antiquated product line that interested not so many anymore, were hard lined and
unwilling to change with the times. A classic business school failure. Who the
fuck eats wonder bread anymore anyway?
>
>This is yet another classic case of union thugs killing the goose that laid
>the golden egg.
The egg was rotten. They were in bankruptcy. That means no gold there. Or is
there something about bankruptcy that you don't understand?
>Maybe Obama can bail Hostess out, too.
Why? Good riddance. Survival of the fittest. Their product line was 1960's. FYI,
were are in a new millenium. They are still living in the past, and now they are
part of it.
>
>
>"Eddie Haskell" <tyv...@sqpcb.com> wrote in message
>news:%oups.246473$GG4....@fed06.iad...
>>
>> "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote in message
>> news:huqca8t3hkqa8tnig...@4ax.com...
>> business in America is sickening.
>>
>> How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
>>
>> -Eddie Haskell
>>
>Thousands of members of the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain
>> How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
>>
>> -Eddie Haskell
>>
>Millers International Union went on strike last week after rejecting in
>September a contract offer that cut wages and benefits. Hostess said Friday
>the company is unprofitable "under its current cost structure, much of which
>is determined by union wages and pension costs."
When one has less revenue, of course more costs will kill them. They had an
antiquated product line that interested not so many anymore, were hard lined and
unwilling to change with the times. A classic business school failure. Who the
fuck eats wonder bread anymore anyway?
>
>This is yet another classic case of union thugs killing the goose that laid
>the golden egg.
The egg was rotten. They were in bankruptcy. That means no gold there. Or is
there something about bankruptcy that you don't understand?
>Maybe Obama can bail Hostess out, too.
Why? Good riddance. Survival of the fittest. Their product line was 1960's. FYI,
were are in a new millenium. They are still living in the past, and now they are
part of it.
>
Moder@tor
Nov 16, 2012, 2:56:08 PM11/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:22:25 -0800, Morgoth Bauglir <Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote:
>
>> How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
>>
>> -Eddie Haskell
I'd look forward to four more years of you pissing and whining Little Eddie if I
>
>> How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
>>
>> -Eddie Haskell
hadn't put you in the shit can with Spammy and the other losers. Hard cheese.
Whine on. I'll only know if someone is lame enough to answer your spew.
Moder@tor
Nov 16, 2012, 2:58:01 PM11/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:40:02 GMT, "Kirby Grant" <KGr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>On 16-Nov-2012, Morgoth Bauglir <Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote at
>alt.politics.elections:
>
>
>On 16-Nov-2012, Morgoth Bauglir <Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote at
>alt.politics.elections:
>
>> > How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
>> >
>> > -Eddie Haskell
>>
>> >
>> > -Eddie Haskell
>>
>> Actually, things went quite well last week.
>>
>> For America.
>>
>> Not for you.
>>
>> But Truth, Justice, and the American Way of Life prevailed.
>
>>
>> For America.
>>
>> Not for you.
>>
>> But Truth, Justice, and the American Way of Life prevailed.
>
>Eddie really doesn't care at all. He just likes to flap his gums to pretend
>he cares so that he can get attention. Keep in mind that he is a Canadian,
>not a U.S. citizen. But since no one up there will engage him in debate he
>tries to pretend he is involved in matters in the U.S. He is just pathetic,
>that's all.
He's probably Canadian because his father was stationed there during the Vietnam
>he cares so that he can get attention. Keep in mind that he is a Canadian,
>not a U.S. citizen. But since no one up there will engage him in debate he
>tries to pretend he is involved in matters in the U.S. He is just pathetic,
>that's all.
war. A real loser.
Eddie Haskell
Nov 16, 2012, 3:06:03 PM11/16/12
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-Eddie Haskell
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:22:25 -0800, Morgoth Bauglir <Mel...@Mordor.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>> How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
>>>
>>> -Eddie Haskell
>
> I'd look forward to four more years of you pissing and whining Little
> Eddie if I
> hadn't put you in the shit can with Spammy and the other losers. Hard
> cheese.
> Whine on. I'll only know if someone is lame enough to answer your spew.
You just did, you drooling retard.
> wrote:
>
>>
>>> How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
>>>
>>> -Eddie Haskell
>
> I'd look forward to four more years of you pissing and whining Little
> Eddie if I
> hadn't put you in the shit can with Spammy and the other losers. Hard
> cheese.
> Whine on. I'll only know if someone is lame enough to answer your spew.
-Eddie Haskell
FirstPost
Nov 16, 2012, 4:23:05 PM11/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:47:27 -0500, Conservative Crybaby
<dmc...@home.com> wrote:
>On 11/16/2012 12:25 PM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>> "Morgoth Bauglir"<Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote in message
>> news:16tm704dy2w67.17ih5qygaarcl$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>
<dmc...@home.com> wrote:
>On 11/16/2012 12:25 PM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>> "Morgoth Bauglir"<Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote in message
>> news:16tm704dy2w67.17ih5qygaarcl$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>
>>>> How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
>>>>
>>>> -Eddie Haskell
>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Eddie Haskell
>>>
>>> Actually, things went quite well last week.
>>>
>>> For America.
>>>
>>> Not for you.
>>>
>>> But Truth, Justice, and the American Way of Life prevailed.
>>
>>>
>>> For America.
>>>
>>> Not for you.
>>>
>>> But Truth, Justice, and the American Way of Life prevailed.
>>
>> You're lying.
>>
>> -Eddie Haskell
>
>You're a sore loser.
Eddie hasn't lost shit.
>>
>> -Eddie Haskell
>
>You're a sore loser.
18,000 liberal union idiots just LOST their jobs though.
FirstPost
Nov 16, 2012, 4:25:20 PM11/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:52:55 -0600, "Eddie Haskell" <tyv...@sqpcb.com>
America. I'm betting Canadian. Stupidity appears to be very
prevalent there.
wrote:
>
>"Conservative Crybaby" <dmc...@home.com> wrote in message
>news:k85u8c$nqa$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>"Conservative Crybaby" <dmc...@home.com> wrote in message
>news:k85u8c$nqa$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 11/16/2012 12:25 PM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>> "Morgoth Bauglir"<Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote in message
>>> news:16tm704dy2w67.17ih5qygaarcl$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>
>>>>> How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
>>>>>
>>>>> -Eddie Haskell
>>>>
>>>> Actually, things went quite well last week.
>>>>
>>>> For America.
>>>>
>>>> Not for you.
>>>>
>>>> But Truth, Justice, and the American Way of Life prevailed.
>>>
>>> You're lying.
>>>
>>> -Eddie Haskell
>>
>> You're a sore loser.
>
>>> "Morgoth Bauglir"<Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote in message
>>> news:16tm704dy2w67.17ih5qygaarcl$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>
>>>>> How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
>>>>>
>>>>> -Eddie Haskell
>>>>
>>>> Actually, things went quite well last week.
>>>>
>>>> For America.
>>>>
>>>> Not for you.
>>>>
>>>> But Truth, Justice, and the American Way of Life prevailed.
>>>
>>> You're lying.
>>>
>>> -Eddie Haskell
>>
>> You're a sore loser.
>
>You're too stupid to know that you and America lost too.
>
>-Eddie Haskell
>
They're likely just another foreign imbecile that likes to bitch about
>
>-Eddie Haskell
>
America. I'm betting Canadian. Stupidity appears to be very
prevalent there.
Edel Stahl
Nov 16, 2012, 4:27:32 PM11/16/12
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"Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote in message
news:fp5da8ltlu9u35shm...@4ax.com...
> An antiquated product that isn't healthy goes belly up.
> BFD. Life is tough and hard cheese.
production in the USA. Garsh, unhealthy junk has a hard time finding
a market, in an era where people are looking for healthier alternatives.
Alert the news media!
good progressive
Nov 16, 2012, 4:41:30 PM11/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:23:10 -0600, Eddie Haskell wrote:
> "FirstPost" <AIOE_posters_...@AIOE.org> wrote in message
> news:td0da8tniv1b6o8pc...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:21:05 -0800 (PST), Ron <ronea...@att.net>
>> wrote:
>
> He said that America's health will improve as a result. It's a crock of
> shit of course, as people who eat twinkies will just find something
> else, and are we now to celebrate the death of every company deemed bad
> for your health? No, his was an attempt to put a positive spin on it in
> his attempt to defend the union that put them out of business.
>
> Pathetic.
>
> -Eddie Haskell
The Peoples need to eat only Obama and Party approved meals.
The First Lady will feed us well. As long as funds last. Even with
rationing we will eat far better than fully socialist nations.
A National Daily Ration website will be setup, letting us know what we
will be eating for the next week, each day... Those who want a surprise
don't have to look at it.
The unemployed will be given government jobs to grow, prepare, and
deliver the meals to the people. In solar powered electric vehicles, or
horse-drawn carts where practical. Tractors will also be converted to
solar power, and horses and mules used where feasible there too.
Why trust the unreliable and greedy private food industry to feed
us? When Scientific Socialism can do it so much better, and provide
additional jobs as well?
We may allow the people to have small mini private plots and trade
fresh vegetables amongst themselves... No profiteering though! Plots
will be limited in size.. Food delivery people and drones will inspect
the plots.
It may take a few years to achieve this vision.. even extending beyond
President Obama's second term - into the Hillary Clinton or Biden admin.
Or perhaps Kerry if he does a good job as SecDef.
Some may say - this is not the American way, even my fellow
Progressives. However, why does that really matter? Why not do what
is right, and proven by Science?
As to the Ho Ho's - obviously - not needed... PURE poison. The workers
must be given good government jobs, however.
--
Progress!
> "FirstPost" <AIOE_posters_...@AIOE.org> wrote in message
> news:td0da8tniv1b6o8pc...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:21:05 -0800 (PST), Ron <ronea...@att.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 16, 9:56 am, "Eddie Haskell" <tyv...@sqpcb.com> wrote:
>>>> "Morgoth Bauglir" <Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:1mopzm6iq9mbr.1...@40tude.net...
>>>On Nov 16, 9:56 am, "Eddie Haskell" <tyv...@sqpcb.com> wrote:
>>>> "Morgoth Bauglir" <Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >>> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do
>>>> >>> with it.
>>>>
>>>> >> MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >>> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do
>>>> >>> with it.
>>>>
>>>> >> MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees?
>>>>
>>>> > They obviously don't need ANY employees.
>>>>
>>>> > And America's health will improve as a result.
>>>>
>>>> Bubaddy but but but but..
>>>>
>>>> > I do note one common thread - for most Rmney supporters, bad news
>>>> > for America is regarded as _good_ news for them.
>>>>
>>>> > Why is that?
>>>>
>>>> Nice try, but why is 18,000 people losing their jobs good news to
>>>> you?
>>>>
>>>> -Eddie Haskell
>>>
>>>Nincompoop....I NEVER said it was good news.
>>
>> You did say something just as fucking stupid though.
>>>>
>>>> > And America's health will improve as a result.
>>>>
>>>> Bubaddy but but but but..
>>>>
>>>> > I do note one common thread - for most Rmney supporters, bad news
>>>> > for America is regarded as _good_ news for them.
>>>>
>>>> > Why is that?
>>>>
>>>> Nice try, but why is 18,000 people losing their jobs good news to
>>>> you?
>>>>
>>>> -Eddie Haskell
>>>
>>>Nincompoop....I NEVER said it was good news.
>>
>
> He said that America's health will improve as a result. It's a crock of
> shit of course, as people who eat twinkies will just find something
> else, and are we now to celebrate the death of every company deemed bad
> for your health? No, his was an attempt to put a positive spin on it in
> his attempt to defend the union that put them out of business.
>
> Pathetic.
>
> -Eddie Haskell
The Peoples need to eat only Obama and Party approved meals.
The First Lady will feed us well. As long as funds last. Even with
rationing we will eat far better than fully socialist nations.
A National Daily Ration website will be setup, letting us know what we
will be eating for the next week, each day... Those who want a surprise
don't have to look at it.
The unemployed will be given government jobs to grow, prepare, and
deliver the meals to the people. In solar powered electric vehicles, or
horse-drawn carts where practical. Tractors will also be converted to
solar power, and horses and mules used where feasible there too.
Why trust the unreliable and greedy private food industry to feed
us? When Scientific Socialism can do it so much better, and provide
additional jobs as well?
We may allow the people to have small mini private plots and trade
fresh vegetables amongst themselves... No profiteering though! Plots
will be limited in size.. Food delivery people and drones will inspect
the plots.
It may take a few years to achieve this vision.. even extending beyond
President Obama's second term - into the Hillary Clinton or Biden admin.
Or perhaps Kerry if he does a good job as SecDef.
Some may say - this is not the American way, even my fellow
Progressives. However, why does that really matter? Why not do what
is right, and proven by Science?
As to the Ho Ho's - obviously - not needed... PURE poison. The workers
must be given good government jobs, however.
--
Progress!
FirstPost
Nov 16, 2012, 5:04:32 PM11/16/12
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snack cakes are down and the other hundreds of brands of sweets still
on the market are all on the verge of bankruptcy yes?
Oh wait, THEY AREN'T.
But please feel free to continue being stupid assed non thinking
apologists for the unions.
Obama Voter @ghetto.com Another Democrap on welfare Voting for Obama
Nov 16, 2012, 5:09:34 PM11/16/12
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"Ron" <ronea...@att.net> wrote in message
news:5ef1feb1-1fb5-4c95...@4g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 16, 9:00 am, cicero venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hostess asked the union to not strike, but the union doubled down on
>> their strike and now the company has decided to cease operations.
>> 18,000 Hostess workers will now be sent to the growing unemployment
>> lines. What is so sad, is that the current union workers not only
>> destroyed themselves, but the they also destroyed the pensions of
>> retired Hostess workers. Destruction, is what unions are all about,
>> and an anachronism in these modern times.
>
>
> Hostess problems began in 2004 when they filed the first of two
> bankruptcy requests.
>=========================
>> Hostess asked the union to not strike, but the union doubled down on
>> their strike and now the company has decided to cease operations.
>> 18,000 Hostess workers will now be sent to the growing unemployment
>> lines. What is so sad, is that the current union workers not only
>> destroyed themselves, but the they also destroyed the pensions of
>> retired Hostess workers. Destruction, is what unions are all about,
>> and an anachronism in these modern times.
>
>
> Hostess problems began in 2004 when they filed the first of two
> bankruptcy requests.
Thanks for Admitting that for the past 8 years, those 18,000 workers still
had their jobs until they walked off the job last week, causing their own
firings.
Obama Voter @ghetto.com Another Democrap on welfare Voting for Obama
Nov 16, 2012, 5:11:06 PM11/16/12
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news:slups.246472$GG4.1...@fed06.iad...
> news:c0120c78-2a0f-47ae...@h9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
===============
The Obamaggot meant to say the Democraps health will improve because those
18,000 will now need 99 Weeks of Unemployment pay, home mortgage assistance
from Obama, and of course food stamps like the record other 47 Million that
are addicted to them now are.
> news:c0120c78-2a0f-47ae...@h9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 16, 9:56 am, "Eddie Haskell" <tyv...@sqpcb.com> wrote:
>> "Morgoth Bauglir" <Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1mopzm6iq9mbr.1...@40tude.net...
>>
>>
>>
>> >>> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
>> >>> it.
>>
>> >> MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees?
>>
>> > They obviously don't need ANY employees.
>>
>> > And America's health will improve as a result.
>>
>> Bubaddy but but but but..
>>
>> > I do note one common thread - for most Rmney supporters, bad news for
>> > America is regarded as _good_ news for them.
>>
>> > Why is that?
>>
>> Nice try, but why is 18,000 people losing their jobs good news to you?
>>
>> -Eddie Haskell
>
>> Nincompoop....I NEVER said it was good news.
>
> Are you confused? Are you Morgoth Bauglir?
>> "Morgoth Bauglir" <Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1mopzm6iq9mbr.1...@40tude.net...
>>
>>
>>
>> >>> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
>> >>> it.
>>
>> >> MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees?
>>
>> > They obviously don't need ANY employees.
>>
>> > And America's health will improve as a result.
>>
>> Bubaddy but but but but..
>>
>> > I do note one common thread - for most Rmney supporters, bad news for
>> > America is regarded as _good_ news for them.
>>
>> > Why is that?
>>
>> Nice try, but why is 18,000 people losing their jobs good news to you?
>>
>> -Eddie Haskell
>
>> Nincompoop....I NEVER said it was good news.
>
>
> "And America's health will improve as a result."
>
> -Eddie Haskell
> "And America's health will improve as a result."
>
===============
The Obamaggot meant to say the Democraps health will improve because those
18,000 will now need 99 Weeks of Unemployment pay, home mortgage assistance
from Obama, and of course food stamps like the record other 47 Million that
are addicted to them now are.
emoneyjoe
Nov 16, 2012, 5:32:47 PM11/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:27:23 -0600, "Eddie Haskell" <tyv...@sqpcb.com>
wrote:
>"anon" <anon@anon> wrote in message news:642iag....@news.alt.net...
>> news:%oups.246473$GG4....@fed06.iad...
>
>He'd bail out the union and leave the problem for someone else later on like
>with GM.
>
>-Eddie Haskell
But without the oven and the mixer,
there won't be any cake.
wrote:
>"anon" <anon@anon> wrote in message news:642iag....@news.alt.net...
>> news:%oups.246473$GG4....@fed06.iad...
>>> news:huqca8t3hkqa8tnig...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:27:47 -0800 (PST), wolfagain <wo...@provide.net>
>>>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:27:47 -0800 (PST), wolfagain <wo...@provide.net>
>>>>>> On Nov 16, 9:00 am, cicero venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Hostess asked the union to not strike, but the union doubled down on
>>>>>> > their strike and now the company has decided to cease operations.
>>>>>> > 18,000 Hostess workers will now be sent to the growing unemployment
>>>>>> > lines. What is so sad, is that the current union workers not only
>>>>>> > destroyed themselves, but the they also destroyed the pensions of
>>>>>> > retired Hostess workers. Destruction, is what unions are all about,
>>>>>> > and an anachronism in these modern times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hostess problems began in 2004 when they filed the first of two
>>>>>> bankruptcy requests.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Hostess asked the union to not strike, but the union doubled down on
>>>>>> > their strike and now the company has decided to cease operations.
>>>>>> > 18,000 Hostess workers will now be sent to the growing unemployment
>>>>>> > lines. What is so sad, is that the current union workers not only
>>>>>> > destroyed themselves, but the they also destroyed the pensions of
>>>>>> > retired Hostess workers. Destruction, is what unions are all about,
>>>>>> > and an anachronism in these modern times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hostess problems began in 2004 when they filed the first of two
>>>>>> bankruptcy requests.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/11/hostess-bankruptcy-_n_119878...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The company's filing comes nearly three years after its predecessor
>>>>>> emerged from bankruptcy proceedings. That company, called Interstate
>>>>>> Bakeries and based in Kansas City, Mo., filed for bankruptcy
>>>>>> protection in 2004 and changed its name to Hostess Brands after it
>>>>>> emerged in 2009."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And further:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Hostess has enough cash to keep stores stocked with its Ding Dongs,
>>>>>> Ho Hos and other snacks for now as it battles rising labor costs and
>>>>>> increased competition. But longer term, the 87-year-old company has a
>>>>>> bigger problem: health-conscious Americans favor yogurt and energy
>>>>>> bars over the dessert cakes and white bread they devoured 30 years
>>>>>> ago."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The company's filing comes nearly three years after its predecessor
>>>>>> emerged from bankruptcy proceedings. That company, called Interstate
>>>>>> Bakeries and based in Kansas City, Mo., filed for bankruptcy
>>>>>> protection in 2004 and changed its name to Hostess Brands after it
>>>>>> emerged in 2009."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And further:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Hostess has enough cash to keep stores stocked with its Ding Dongs,
>>>>>> Ho Hos and other snacks for now as it battles rising labor costs and
>>>>>> increased competition. But longer term, the 87-year-old company has a
>>>>>> bigger problem: health-conscious Americans favor yogurt and energy
>>>>>> bars over the dessert cakes and white bread they devoured 30 years
>>>>>> ago."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>>MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees? How many union
>>>>>bosses lost THEIR jobs???
>>>>
>>>> Rhetorical question at best. The answer? They didn't. They didn't need
>>>> any
>>>> workers anymore. Wonder Bread, Twinkies and the rest of the unhealthy
>>>> shit they
>>>> offered are dinosaurs of generations past. The slide rules of food so to
>>>> speak.
>>>> Had they flexed with the trends, they might have had a chance to stay
>>>> afloat,
>>>> but to stay with the same products for so many years is the death of
>>>> even the
>>>> fittest companies. Coca-Cola, for example, even changed their products
>>>> and
>>>> diversified to stay on top of the market. This had absolutely nothing to
>>>> do with
>>>> union workers, whose striking was the straw that broke the camels back,
>>>> rather
>>>> the owners and managers, whose shortsightedness killed the company.
>>>
>>> Watching you idiots defend unions that are making it impossible to do
>>> business in America is sickening.
>>>
>>>>>bosses lost THEIR jobs???
>>>>
>>>> Rhetorical question at best. The answer? They didn't. They didn't need
>>>> any
>>>> workers anymore. Wonder Bread, Twinkies and the rest of the unhealthy
>>>> shit they
>>>> offered are dinosaurs of generations past. The slide rules of food so to
>>>> speak.
>>>> Had they flexed with the trends, they might have had a chance to stay
>>>> afloat,
>>>> but to stay with the same products for so many years is the death of
>>>> even the
>>>> fittest companies. Coca-Cola, for example, even changed their products
>>>> and
>>>> diversified to stay on top of the market. This had absolutely nothing to
>>>> do with
>>>> union workers, whose striking was the straw that broke the camels back,
>>>> rather
>>>> the owners and managers, whose shortsightedness killed the company.
>>>
>>> Watching you idiots defend unions that are making it impossible to do
>>> business in America is sickening.
>>>
>>> How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
>>>
>>> -Eddie Haskell
>>>
>>>
>>> -Eddie Haskell
>>>
>> Thousands of members of the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and
>> Grain Millers International Union went on strike last week after rejecting
>> in September a contract offer that cut wages and benefits. Hostess said
>> Friday the company is unprofitable "under its current cost structure, much
>> of which is determined by union wages and pension costs."
>>
>> Grain Millers International Union went on strike last week after rejecting
>> in September a contract offer that cut wages and benefits. Hostess said
>> Friday the company is unprofitable "under its current cost structure, much
>> of which is determined by union wages and pension costs."
>>
>> This is yet another classic case of union thugs killing the goose that
>> laid the golden egg.
>> laid the golden egg.
>> Maybe Obama can bail Hostess out, too.
>
>Hussein wouldn't bail out Hostess.
>
>
>He'd bail out the union and leave the problem for someone else later on like
>with GM.
>
>-Eddie Haskell
But without the oven and the mixer,
there won't be any cake.
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Nov 16, 2012, 7:15:45 PM11/16/12
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JILL KELLEY wrote on alt.impeach.bush:
> This will spell the end of "soul food" for fat white people.
ROTF!
> This will spell the end of "soul food" for fat white people.
Vandar
Nov 16, 2012, 7:31:32 PM11/16/12
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Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:50:32 -0500, Vandar <vand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>Unions MUST abide by contracts
>>
>>Until they decide not to and go on strike.
>
>
> That is a right of workers protected by law.
And the employer has the right to tell them all to hit the bricks.
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:50:32 -0500, Vandar <vand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>Unions MUST abide by contracts
>>
>>Until they decide not to and go on strike.
>
>
> That is a right of workers protected by law.
And the employer has the right to tell them all to hit the bricks.
wy
Nov 16, 2012, 7:58:13 PM11/16/12
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On Nov 16, 7:31 pm, Vandar <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
37 years, the middle class life she was able to build and live, was
thanks to having worked at Hostess. But she was quite willing to let
the job go rather than set herself back to a minimum wage level. And
that's what it's all about - the middle class. For good or bad,
unions built the middle class, especially in the post WW II years.
Once their power began to erode, so too did the middle class begin to
falter.
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/BunkerUnionMemebership-04-12.png
The correlation is undeniable, which explains why the US now has a
very unhealthy work force on so many different levels.
> Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:50:32 -0500, Vandar <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>Unions MUST abide by contracts
>
> >>Until they decide not to and go on strike.
>
> > That is a right of workers protected by law.
>
> And the employer has the right to tell them all to hit the bricks.
As one worker on CBS News said tonight, everything she acquired over
>
> >>>Unions MUST abide by contracts
>
> >>Until they decide not to and go on strike.
>
> > That is a right of workers protected by law.
>
> And the employer has the right to tell them all to hit the bricks.
37 years, the middle class life she was able to build and live, was
thanks to having worked at Hostess. But she was quite willing to let
the job go rather than set herself back to a minimum wage level. And
that's what it's all about - the middle class. For good or bad,
unions built the middle class, especially in the post WW II years.
Once their power began to erode, so too did the middle class begin to
falter.
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/BunkerUnionMemebership-04-12.png
The correlation is undeniable, which explains why the US now has a
very unhealthy work force on so many different levels.
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Nov 16, 2012, 8:20:08 PM11/16/12
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Nov 16, 2012, 8:55:35 PM11/16/12
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Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>
> The company can shut down---but in most closed shop states that's not
> legal.
When is a company choosing to end operations illegal?
> Protection of workers seems foriegn to you nutjobs.
And how to run a business is foreign to you.
I support the worker as an individual. As a collective, fuck 'em.
> You'd fare well under a centralized govt system like Communism where
> the political party that has your kind of beliefs would control
> everything.
>
> Must make you shake in your boots to think that workers who produce
> the wealth and products have a say in their destiny.
That's exactly what I want them to have. They don't get that by joining
a union. They said that 92% of those union employees voted for the
strike. The rest of them, along with all the other employees, just got
screwed.
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:31:32 -0500, Vandar <vand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>That is a right of workers protected by law.
>>
>>And the employer has the right to tell them all to hit the bricks.
>
>
> Not exactly.
>
>
>>>That is a right of workers protected by law.
>>
>>And the employer has the right to tell them all to hit the bricks.
>
>
>
> The company can shut down---but in most closed shop states that's not
> legal.
When is a company choosing to end operations illegal?
> Protection of workers seems foriegn to you nutjobs.
And how to run a business is foreign to you.
I support the worker as an individual. As a collective, fuck 'em.
> You'd fare well under a centralized govt system like Communism where
> the political party that has your kind of beliefs would control
> everything.
>
> Must make you shake in your boots to think that workers who produce
> the wealth and products have a say in their destiny.
That's exactly what I want them to have. They don't get that by joining
a union. They said that 92% of those union employees voted for the
strike. The rest of them, along with all the other employees, just got
screwed.
wy
Nov 16, 2012, 9:01:35 PM11/16/12
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On Nov 16, 8:17 pm, Yak <y...@inbox.com> wrote:
> offer she'd be at min wage? I'm calling bs on that.
A lot of them earned $20 per hour. That's about $40K per year. $40K
in the real world, with a family of 4 to house and feed, is not really
that much, it's basically a notch better than subsistence level.
Hostess wanted to cut it back by 30%, including slashing benefits. If
that's not being reduced to a minimum wage level, especially with the
benefits slashed or gone, then you've got no concept of money.
> On Nov 16, 7:58 pm, wy <w...@myself.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 16, 7:31 pm, Vandar <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:50:32 -0500, Vandar <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>>Unions MUST abide by contracts
>
> > > >>Until they decide not to and go on strike.
>
> > > > That is a right of workers protected by law.
>
> > > And the employer has the right to tell them all to hit the bricks.
>
> > As one worker on CBS News said tonight, everything she acquired over
> > 37 years, the middle class life she was able to build and live, was
> > thanks to having worked at Hostess. But she was quite willing to let
> > the job go rather than set herself back to a minimum wage level. And
> > that's what it's all about - the middle class. For good or bad,
> > unions built the middle class, especially in the post WW II years.
> > Once their power began to erode, so too did the middle class begin to
> > falter.
>
> >http://www.americanprogressaction.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Bunk...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 16, 7:31 pm, Vandar <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:50:32 -0500, Vandar <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>>Unions MUST abide by contracts
>
> > > >>Until they decide not to and go on strike.
>
> > > > That is a right of workers protected by law.
>
> > > And the employer has the right to tell them all to hit the bricks.
>
> > As one worker on CBS News said tonight, everything she acquired over
> > 37 years, the middle class life she was able to build and live, was
> > thanks to having worked at Hostess. But she was quite willing to let
> > the job go rather than set herself back to a minimum wage level. And
> > that's what it's all about - the middle class. For good or bad,
> > unions built the middle class, especially in the post WW II years.
> > Once their power began to erode, so too did the middle class begin to
> > falter.
>
>
> > The correlation is undeniable, which explains why the US now has a
> > very unhealthy work force on so many different levels.
>
> Whoa, wait just a second here. If she would have accepted hostess'
> > The correlation is undeniable, which explains why the US now has a
> > very unhealthy work force on so many different levels.
>
> offer she'd be at min wage? I'm calling bs on that.
A lot of them earned $20 per hour. That's about $40K per year. $40K
in the real world, with a family of 4 to house and feed, is not really
that much, it's basically a notch better than subsistence level.
Hostess wanted to cut it back by 30%, including slashing benefits. If
that's not being reduced to a minimum wage level, especially with the
benefits slashed or gone, then you've got no concept of money.
wy
Nov 16, 2012, 9:02:37 PM11/16/12
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On Nov 16, 8:20 pm, Vandar <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> wy wrote:
> > On Nov 16, 7:31 pm, Vandar <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>
> >>>On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:50:32 -0500, Vandar <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>Unions MUST abide by contracts
>
> >>>>Until they decide not to and go on strike.
>
> >>>That is a right of workers protected by law.
>
> >>And the employer has the right to tell them all to hit the bricks.
>
> > As one worker on CBS News said tonight, everything she acquired over
> > 37 years, the middle class life she was able to build and live, was
> > thanks to having worked at Hostess. But she was quite willing to let
> > the job go rather than set herself back to a minimum wage level. And
> > that's what it's all about - the middle class. For good or bad,
> > unions built the middle class, especially in the post WW II years.
> > Once their power began to erode, so too did the middle class begin to
> > falter.
>
> >http://www.americanprogressaction.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Bunk...
> wy wrote:
> > On Nov 16, 7:31 pm, Vandar <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>
> >>>On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:50:32 -0500, Vandar <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>Unions MUST abide by contracts
>
> >>>>Until they decide not to and go on strike.
>
> >>>That is a right of workers protected by law.
>
> >>And the employer has the right to tell them all to hit the bricks.
>
> > As one worker on CBS News said tonight, everything she acquired over
> > 37 years, the middle class life she was able to build and live, was
> > thanks to having worked at Hostess. But she was quite willing to let
> > the job go rather than set herself back to a minimum wage level. And
> > that's what it's all about - the middle class. For good or bad,
> > unions built the middle class, especially in the post WW II years.
> > Once their power began to erode, so too did the middle class begin to
> > falter.
>
>
> > The correlation is undeniable, which explains why the US now has a
> > very unhealthy work force on so many different levels.
>
> Correlation does not equal causation.
The pretty picture looks awfully clear and unmistakable to me. Care
> > The correlation is undeniable, which explains why the US now has a
> > very unhealthy work force on so many different levels.
>
> Correlation does not equal causation.
to find another pretty picture that could be used as causation? No?
I thought not.
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wy
Nov 16, 2012, 9:16:05 PM11/16/12
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On Nov 16, 9:05 pm, Yak <y...@inbox.com> wrote:
> i was right, it is bs.
Google it. It's out there. I gave you the key words. Wassamatta,
too intellectually lazy to Google?
Google it. It's out there. I gave you the key words. Wassamatta,
too intellectually lazy to Google?
Vandar
Nov 16, 2012, 9:20:06 PM11/16/12
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wy wrote:
> On Nov 16, 8:20 pm, Vandar <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>wy wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 16, 7:31 pm, Vandar <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>>
>>>>>On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:50:32 -0500, Vandar <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>Unions MUST abide by contracts
>>
>>>>>>Until they decide not to and go on strike.
>>
>>>>>That is a right of workers protected by law.
>>
>>>>And the employer has the right to tell them all to hit the bricks.
>>
>>>As one worker on CBS News said tonight, everything she acquired over
>>>37 years, the middle class life she was able to build and live, was
>>>thanks to having worked at Hostess. But she was quite willing to let
>>>the job go rather than set herself back to a minimum wage level. And
>>>that's what it's all about - the middle class. For good or bad,
>>>unions built the middle class, especially in the post WW II years.
>>>Once their power began to erode, so too did the middle class begin to
>>>falter.
>>
>>>http://www.americanprogressaction.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Bunk...
>>
>>>The correlation is undeniable, which explains why the US now has a
>>>very unhealthy work force on so many different levels.
>>
>>Correlation does not equal causation.
>
>
> The pretty picture looks awfully clear and unmistakable to me.
Of course it does. Logic isn't one of your strengths.
> On Nov 16, 8:20 pm, Vandar <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>wy wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 16, 7:31 pm, Vandar <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>>
>>>>>On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:50:32 -0500, Vandar <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>Unions MUST abide by contracts
>>
>>>>>>Until they decide not to and go on strike.
>>
>>>>>That is a right of workers protected by law.
>>
>>>>And the employer has the right to tell them all to hit the bricks.
>>
>>>As one worker on CBS News said tonight, everything she acquired over
>>>37 years, the middle class life she was able to build and live, was
>>>thanks to having worked at Hostess. But she was quite willing to let
>>>the job go rather than set herself back to a minimum wage level. And
>>>that's what it's all about - the middle class. For good or bad,
>>>unions built the middle class, especially in the post WW II years.
>>>Once their power began to erode, so too did the middle class begin to
>>>falter.
>>
>>>http://www.americanprogressaction.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Bunk...
>>
>>>The correlation is undeniable, which explains why the US now has a
>>>very unhealthy work force on so many different levels.
>>
>>Correlation does not equal causation.
>
>
> The pretty picture looks awfully clear and unmistakable to me.
wy
Nov 16, 2012, 9:37:39 PM11/16/12
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equal causation. Good going on proving nothing.
Vandar
Nov 16, 2012, 10:14:08 PM11/16/12
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wy
Nov 16, 2012, 10:18:09 PM11/16/12
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li'l pretty picture of yours to refute mine. I know you can do it,
sure you can do it. Better hurry before your bedtime hour becomes
your excuse not to do it.
Vandar
Nov 16, 2012, 10:56:00 PM11/16/12
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declined at a similar rate over time.
> Now go find that li'l pretty picture of yours to refute mine. I know you can do it,
> sure you can do it. Better hurry before your bedtime hour becomes
> your excuse not to do it.
the decline of middle class income.
Using the same graph, you could also argue the inverse - a decline in
middle class income means fewer people want to join a union.
Your graph proves nothing.
wy
Nov 16, 2012, 11:07:05 PM11/16/12
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even causation. Try harder, will ya? It's beddy-bye soon.
>
> > Now go find that li'l pretty picture of yours to refute mine. I know you can do it,
> > sure you can do it. Better hurry before your bedtime hour becomes
> > your excuse not to do it.
>
> You claim that graph proves that a decline in union membership causes
> the decline of middle class income.
But you being a Repugnant, you obviously have to dictate the terms of
what I supposedly said and didn't say to make your tummy feel all
right wingnut warm and fuzzy.
> Using the same graph, you could also argue the inverse - a decline in
> middle class income means fewer people want to join a union.
the same one and redefine it to mean what you want it to mean for that
right wingnut warm and fuzzy feeling in your tummy just because you
don't like what it suggests.
>
> Your graph proves nothing.
Proves more than yours. Oh, but hey, you haven't got one yet. I win.
Vandar
Nov 17, 2012, 12:17:23 AM11/17/12
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Which prompted your reply: "The pretty picture looks awfully clear and
unmistakable to me."
Are you saying that the graph DOES NOT support any claim that one causes
the other?
> But you being a Repugnant, you obviously have to dictate the terms of
> what I supposedly said and didn't say to make your tummy feel all
> right wingnut warm and fuzzy.
>
>
>
>>Using the same graph, you could also argue the inverse - a decline in
>>middle class income means fewer people want to join a union.
>
>
> No, you'd have to use a graph that defines it as such, you can't use
> the same one and redefine it to mean what you want it to mean for that
> right wingnut warm and fuzzy feeling in your tummy just because you
> don't like what it suggests.
any conclusion beyond one declined as the other did.
wy
Nov 17, 2012, 12:27:36 AM11/17/12
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can't prove anything what you said.
> Which prompted your reply: "The pretty picture looks awfully clear and
> unmistakable to me."
>
> Are you saying that the graph DOES NOT support any claim that one causes
> the other?
get it. You don't have a pretty picture to support anything to the
contrary. I win. I get it.
>
> > But you being a Repugnant, you obviously have to dictate the terms of
> > what I supposedly said and didn't say to make your tummy feel all
> > right wingnut warm and fuzzy.
>
> >>Using the same graph, you could also argue the inverse - a decline in
> >>middle class income means fewer people want to join a union.
>
> > No, you'd have to use a graph that defines it as such, you can't use
> > the same one and redefine it to mean what you want it to mean for that
> > right wingnut warm and fuzzy feeling in your tummy just because you
> > don't like what it suggests.
>
> I didn't redefine anything. Same data. Same graph. It does not allow for
> any conclusion beyond one declined as the other did.
Gary DW
Nov 17, 2012, 12:37:03 AM11/17/12
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In article <k86s8p$b35$1...@news.albasani.net>, Vandar
says...
After he said spending can't cure debt, while bragging
that "war" ending the GD (not realizing the USA
government paid for all of it...)
--
"[The] debt explosion has resulted not from big spending
by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's
embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious
doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from
tax cuts."
-Reagan budget chief David Stockman
says...
that "war" ending the GD (not realizing the USA
government paid for all of it...)
--
"[The] debt explosion has resulted not from big spending
by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's
embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious
doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from
tax cuts."
-Reagan budget chief David Stockman
Freedom Dude
Nov 17, 2012, 12:48:19 AM11/17/12
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"Kirby Grant" wrote in message news:EKwps.246479$GG4.2...@fed06.iad...
On 16-Nov-2012, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote at alt.politics.elections:
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:00:29 -0800 (PST), cicero venatio
> <jazz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >What is so sad, is that the current union workers not only
> >destroyed themselves, but the they also destroyed the pensions of
> >retired Hostess workers. Destruction, is what unions are all about,
> >and an anachronism in these modern times.
>
> uber-hero Schitt Rumney made his money doing....
>
> Don't you recognize the pattern?
>
> Wanna bet that someone is going to make MILLIONS off this so-called
> bankruptcy?
Including Bain.
They probably already have plans to produce all of the former Hostess bands
off-shore somewhere - probably Mexico. So the next time someone eats a
Twinkie it will be labeled "Made in Mexico".
=============================================================
They did the same thing with Hershey's, after they moved to Mexico, even
the taste is different, I stopped buying them.
Moder@tor
Nov 17, 2012, 3:13:21 AM11/17/12
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:04:32 -0600, FirstPost
<AIOE_posters_...@AIOE.org> wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:27:32 -0800, "Edel Stahl" <st...@le.ss> wrote:
>
>>"Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote in message
>>news:fp5da8ltlu9u35shm...@4ax.com...
>>
>>> An antiquated product that isn't healthy goes belly up.
>>> BFD. Life is tough and hard cheese.
>>
>>Kinda like how cigarette producers have also seen big declines in
>>production in the USA. Garsh, unhealthy junk has a hard time finding
>>a market, in an era where people are looking for healthier alternatives.
>>
>>Alert the news media!
>
>Guess that's why alcohol sales, fast food sales and other brands of
>snack cakes are down and the other hundreds of brands of sweets still
>on the market are all on the verge of bankruptcy yes?
>Oh wait, THEY AREN'T.
>But please feel free to continue being stupid assed non thinking
>apologists for the unions.
You should take an econ class and get back to us, First. Your logic makes
absolutely no sense whatsoever. And Edel (or Spammy as we like to call him) also
doesn't seem to have a clue. Cigarettes and alcohol have a market outside of the
US. But only Americans would buy Wonderbread and Twinkies. Their sales outside
of the US were almost null. Anyone with half a brain would know that the
capitalist system always needs new markets and products to flourish. Hostess was
locked in the '60's and died as a result. I'm surprised it took so long. That
other pastries are doing well doesn't surprise me either. With a choice between
something fresh baked and something with a shelf life in the tens of
years......give me fresh every time.
<AIOE_posters_...@AIOE.org> wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:27:32 -0800, "Edel Stahl" <st...@le.ss> wrote:
>
>>"Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> An antiquated product that isn't healthy goes belly up.
>>> BFD. Life is tough and hard cheese.
>>
>>Kinda like how cigarette producers have also seen big declines in
>>production in the USA. Garsh, unhealthy junk has a hard time finding
>>a market, in an era where people are looking for healthier alternatives.
>>
>>Alert the news media!
>
>Guess that's why alcohol sales, fast food sales and other brands of
>snack cakes are down and the other hundreds of brands of sweets still
>on the market are all on the verge of bankruptcy yes?
>Oh wait, THEY AREN'T.
>But please feel free to continue being stupid assed non thinking
>apologists for the unions.
You should take an econ class and get back to us, First. Your logic makes
absolutely no sense whatsoever. And Edel (or Spammy as we like to call him) also
doesn't seem to have a clue. Cigarettes and alcohol have a market outside of the
US. But only Americans would buy Wonderbread and Twinkies. Their sales outside
of the US were almost null. Anyone with half a brain would know that the
capitalist system always needs new markets and products to flourish. Hostess was
locked in the '60's and died as a result. I'm surprised it took so long. That
other pastries are doing well doesn't surprise me either. With a choice between
something fresh baked and something with a shelf life in the tens of
years......give me fresh every time.
Moder@tor
Nov 17, 2012, 3:14:58 AM11/17/12
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:11:06 -0500, "Another Democrap on welfare Voting for
Obama" <Welfare Obama Voter @ Ghetto.com> wrote:
>
>
>"Eddie Haskell" <tyv...@sqpcb.com> wrote in message
>news:slups.246472$GG4.1...@fed06.iad...
Obama" <Welfare Obama Voter @ Ghetto.com> wrote:
>
>
>"Eddie Haskell" <tyv...@sqpcb.com> wrote in message
>>
>> "Ron" <ronea...@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:c0120c78-2a0f-47ae...@h9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 16, 9:56 am, "Eddie Haskell" <tyv...@sqpcb.com> wrote:
>>> "Morgoth Bauglir" <Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1mopzm6iq9mbr.1...@40tude.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
>>> >>> it.
>>>
>>> >> MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees?
>>>
>>> > They obviously don't need ANY employees.
>>>
>>>
>>> >>> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
>>> >>> it.
>>>
>>> >> MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees?
>>>
>>>
>>> > And America's health will improve as a result.
>>>
>>> Bubaddy but but but but..
>>>
>>> > I do note one common thread - for most Rmney supporters, bad news for
>>> > America is regarded as _good_ news for them.
>>>
>>> > Why is that?
>>>
>>> Nice try, but why is 18,000 people losing their jobs good news to you?
>>>
>>> -Eddie Haskell
>>
>>> Nincompoop....I NEVER said it was good news.
>>
>> Are you confused? Are you Morgoth Bauglir?
>>
>> "And America's health will improve as a result."
>>
>> -Eddie Haskell
>===============
>
>The Obamaggot meant to say the Democraps health will improve because those
>18,000 will now need 99 Weeks of Unemployment pay, home mortgage assistance
>from Obama, and of course food stamps like the record other 47 Million that
>are addicted to them now are.
>
I look forward to four more years of your pissing and whining about Obama.
1802 murdered in Obama's 'organized communities' since 1-20-09
Nov 17, 2012, 5:18:54 AM11/17/12
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