Pelosi Says NO To Offshore Drilling
SMITH29
for this careless act.
http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jul/19/pelosi-vows-to-block-offshore-drilling/
gatt
Pelosi needs to be hauled behind the same keel as Cheney.
-c
Yer Pal Al
> SMITH29 wrote:
> > OK, so now we know exactly who to blame and the Democrats will suffer
> > for this careless act.
>
> Pelosi needs to be hauled behind the same keel as Cheney.
It's under the haul.
Kevin Cunningham
> OK, so now we know exactly who to blame and the Democrats will suffer
Geez, your a moron. Do you think, and I use the term loosely, that if
we approve off shore drilling we'll have gusher after gusher in a
week? Are you really that dumb????
Do you know that it will take 10 years to get any recoverable oil from
a well started today?
Yer Pal Al
> On Jul 22, 1:25 pm, SMITH29 <smit...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > OK, so now we know exactly who to blame and the Democrats will suffer
> > for this careless act.http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jul/19/pelosi-vows-to-bloc...
>
> Geez, your a moron. Do you think, and I use the term loosely, that if
> we approve off shore drilling we'll have gusher after gusher in a
> week? Are you really that dumb????
Are you that dumb that you don't know how the price for a commodity is
set?
> Do you know that it will take 10 years to get any recoverable oil from
> a well started today?
In 10 years we aren't going to need *ANY* oil?
Starkiller
The 10 year timeframe that everyone keeps repeating is not a very
realistic one. It takes less than a year to construct and get a
standard land based 20,000 foot drilling platform producing oil.
Offshore jack up rigs can take two to three years and a semi up to 4.
The ten year figure got started because that is the estimimate by some
so called eperts for drilling in ANWR and establishing the
infrastructure needed to support it. Mostly due to the fact that the
heavy equipment needed to excavate the sire can only operate on the
tundra during the winter months. Once they have found the right spots
and oil starts flowing the permanent platforms and roads would then be
constructed.
The no drilling folks have simply adopted the ten year number across
the board regardless of where. And they have modified it from "it
could take up to 10 years" to "It's just going to take 10 years". as
it suits their agenda better.
The Discovery channel had a short series this spring entitled "Oil
Strike". It followed several different Wildcatters in their quest for
oil. In one episode there were a couple of crews that were each given
10 days to construct a well drill and strike oil. One of them did
just that. They one some bet with one of the other crews as a result.
It is extremely unlikely that it will take another 10 years to start
pumping oil from that well.
How long it would take is determined more by how many dry holes get
drilled before finding oil than it is by the more simple logistics of
transporation and delivery..
'A government big enough to give you everything you want, is
big enough to take away everything you have.'
"You cannot enrich the poor by impoverishing the rich."
mordacp...@hotmail.com
In 10 years oil consumption will have increased to the point where we
will still require more oil imports than we do now, regardless of how
much drilling is done domestically.
It's a zero sum game.
The sooner you rightwing idiots realize that, the sooner we can loosen
the stranglehold non-renewable energy has on us.
mordacp...@hotmail.com
> OK, so now we know exactly who to blame and the Democrats will suffer
Good luck with that.
Most Americans are smarter than you rightard morons.
SMITH29
> On Jul 22, 2:00 pm, Yer Pal Al <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 22, 1:46 pm, Kevin Cunningham <sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 22, 1:25 pm, SMITH29 <smit...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> OK, so now we know exactly who to blame and the Democrats will suffer
>>>> for this careless act.http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jul/19/pelosi-vows-to-bloc...
>>> Geez, your a moron. Do you think, and I use the term loosely, that if
>>> we approve off shore drilling we'll have gusher after gusher in a
>>> week? Are you really that dumb????
>> Are you that dumb that you don't know how the price for a commodity is
>> set?
>>
>>> Do you know that it will take 10 years to get any recoverable oil from
>>> a well started today?
>> In 10 years we aren't going to need *ANY* oil?
>
> In 10 years oil consumption will have increased to the point where we
> will still require more oil imports than we do now, regardless of how
> much drilling is done domestically.
You just make that up?
>
> It's a zero sum game.
>
xxxx
It's a Moonbat game.
You want to protect Nancy from the wolves who are about to devour her.
> The sooner you rightwing idiots realize that, the sooner we can loosen
> the stranglehold non-renewable energy has on us.
xxxx
Excuse me but the Barking Moonbats are the ones strangling the nation
and making the Arabs Billionaire's.
gatt
> The ten year figure got started because that is the estimimate by some
> so called eperts for drilling in ANWR and establishing the
> infrastructure needed to support it. Mostly due to the fact that the
> heavy equipment needed to excavate the sire can only operate on the
> tundra during the winter months. Once they have found the right spots
"once they have found the right spots." If you're in a hurry, do
dousing rods work?
lein
But both drilling an exploring alternatives isn't a zero sum game and
not doing both means you are more addicted to oil in 5-10 years and
still decade(s) away from the alternatives. What's idiotic is Cuba/
China drilling in areas off Florida where U.S. companies are
forbidden.
In the mean time, how are you going to replace millions of cars given
the turnover for a car is something like 9 years? (and longer if you
are poor)?
Yer Pal Al
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 22, 1:46 pm, Kevin Cunningham <sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 22, 1:25 pm, SMITH29 <smit...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > > OK, so now we know exactly who to blame and the Democrats will suffer
> > > > for this careless act.http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jul/19/pelosi-vows-to-bloc...
>
> > > Geez, your a moron. Do you think, and I use the term loosely, that if
> > > we approve off shore drilling we'll have gusher after gusher in a
> > > week? Are you really that dumb????
>
> > Are you that dumb that you don't know how the price for a commodity is
> > set?
>
> > > Do you know that it will take 10 years to get any recoverable oil from
> > > a well started today?
>
> > In 10 years we aren't going to need *ANY* oil?
>
> In 10 years oil consumption will have increased to the point where we
> will still require more oil imports than we do now, regardless of how
> much drilling is done domestically.
What I don't understand is why liberals want the oil companies to make
huge profits. If we allow drilling the futures price will go down and
although their profit margin is the same, they won't be making record
profits.
> It's a zero sum game.
If we don't get it the Chinese will.
> The sooner you rightwing idiots realize that, the sooner we can loosen
> the stranglehold non-renewable energy has on us.
We aren't going to develop new technologies if the economy is in the
toilet. Our best bet for progress on this is from the auto
manufacturers and they are cutting their R&D budgets right now.
Yer Pal Al
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"gatt" <ga...@livefromtheclocktower2008.us> wrote in message
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And, of course, how to get that oil from the rig to the refinery.
Also, Starkiller leaves out the fact that the oil companies are salivating
over deep-water, offshore leases -- when there is no deep-water drill rigs
available. Then he turns around an ignores the fact that many are calling
for the oil companies to drill on existing leases - which ARE on dry land
AND can be reached fairly easily as he indicates.
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"Yer Pal Al" <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>On Jul 22, 1:46 pm, Kevin Cunningham <sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 22, 1:25 pm, SMITH29 <smit...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> > OK, so now we know exactly who to blame and the Democrats will suffer
>> > for this careless
>> > act.http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jul/19/pelosi-vows-to-bloc...
>>
>> Geez, your a moron. Do you think, and I use the term loosely, that if
>> we approve off shore drilling we'll have gusher after gusher in a
>> week? Are you really that dumb????
>
>Are you that dumb that you don't know how the price for a commodity is
>set?
It's you rightards that have such problems with cost/price.
>> Do you know that it will take 10 years to get any recoverable oil from
>> a well started today?
>
>In 10 years we aren't going to need *ANY* oil?
If we switch to plug-in hybrids and cut oil/gasoline usage by 50%, then
existing wells will be producing all the oil we need 10 years from now.
Justin Case
"Kevin Cunningham" <sms...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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And how long will it take to developed an alternative? Let's hope the
alternative actually works. We need to develop all alternatives plus drill
for oil. That way, in twenty years we won't need Middle East oil.
Starkiller
<ga...@livefromtheclocktower2008.us> wrote:
Seems you're one to cut a sentence in half then change the meaning to
suit your piddly little needs.
Guess honest discussion is just too far over your little head.
Starkiller
Wonder how much "big oil" will rake in when they wait that 10 years
and oil is over $200 a barrel and gas is over $8 a gallon?
Justin Case
<mordacp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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You liberal buffoons need to pull your heads out of your asses. Yes, we
need to find alternative solutions but for the foreseeable future, we will
need oil. If we drill domestically then, in ten years, our dependency will
be vastly reduced. Compound that with the increased demand for oil from
emerging nations will place us in a good position. Another point which
liberals would appreciate is that the only reason we have anything to do
with the Middle East is because oil is a national concern. The area is
important to our national interests and the silver lining (for liberals) is
that we would then have no need of Israel.
Justin Case
"Baxter" <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
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And how do you expect everyone to buy new hybrid cars? And how do we cope
with the increased electrical drain? Hell, in California during the summer,
we can barely handle the added air conditioning. Build more electrical
plants? Yea, right. Eco nuts and NIMBY types won't let that occur. Maybe
we could all pile unto mass public transit and have to sit (well more than
likely stand for the two hour ride) next to some piss smelling bum. Oh,
excuse me. Some piss smelling homeless person.
>
>
Justin Case
But when the 37% yell, scream, curse and generally abuse yours and their
rights then the 37% becomes very powerful.
Starkiller
How much oil is on those existing leases sparky? Since you all have
such a hard on for them to drill there you obviously must have a
reference to back it up yes?
How many test wells have been drilled on existing leases and came up
dry?
If the oil companies are lucky they may find oil under 1% of the total
land they lease. Maybe you should give them a call since you
obviously know exactly where it all is yes?
Since the drilling companies can only lease land that the government
allows them to so they have the choice of either grabbing as much as
they can hoping the geologists can give them good news or do without
completely. You idiots act like they can just shoot a hole anywhere
in the ground and oil is just going to shoot up out of it. They can't
even explore for oil on land until they have leased it. If they don't
find and produce any oil there over a given period of time then they
lose the lease and it's over.
Do you honestly believe that the oil companies would rather give $130
a barrel to the Saudis or the Kuwaitees or even the Canadians than to
pump it themselves at a higher profit margin?
Do you think that they would spend $100 million building an ocean
platform rather than they would $10 million for a land based platform
if they knew there was oil of any quantity on their existing leases?
And BTW, Marathon is planning to drill 300 wells in the next four to
five years on their leases.
http://www.marathon.com/content/documents/fact_sheets/fact_sheet_bakken_september_2006.pdf
And there making pretty good progress
http://bp3.blogger.com/_jWBUkuPvcGI/SBkltAHAk0I/AAAAAAAAAYY/N6gvRyauCMg/s1600-h/imp6.jpg
Exxon Mobil is also drilling on their American leases
http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=64148
The fact of the matter is the companies do drill and produce oil from
their leases but as stated in several threads, they typically find oil
on 1% or less of the land they lease.
Of course if ya'll don't want those nasty old oil companies drilling
off the coasts, well, just give it a few more years and you'll see
countries like China, Venezuela and Mexico building rigs out there
just barely in international waters and they'll be thumbing their
noses just like they will soon be doing off the tip of Florida and
have been doing in the Gulf of Mexico
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"lein" <boomer_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> ... What's idiotic is Cuba/
>China drilling in areas off Florida where U.S. companies are
>forbidden.
What's idiotic is repeating the debunked claim about the Chinese drilling
off Florida.
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"Starkiller" <NoSpam.S...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:29:15 -0700, "Baxter"
> <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>
>>Also, Starkiller leaves out the fact that the oil companies are salivating
>>over deep-water, offshore leases -- when there is no deep-water drill rigs
>>available. Then he turns around an ignores the fact that many are calling
>>for the oil companies to drill on existing leases - which ARE on dry land
>>AND can be reached fairly easily as he indicates.
>>
> How much oil is on those existing leases sparky? Since you all have
> such a hard on for them to drill there you obviously must have a
> reference to back it up yes?
google is your friend. 'Course the real question is how much oil is in
those areas where they want to drill - the answer is: "nobody really knows".
> How many test wells have been drilled on existing leases and came up
> dry?
How many test wells have been drilled in those offshore area where they want
to drill and come up empty - the answer is none -- because they don't have
the equipment.
>How many
> If the oil companies are lucky they may find oil under 1% of the total
> land they lease. Maybe you should give them a call since you
> obviously know exactly where it all is yes?
>
Well, you certainly don't know if any of it is in those off-shore, deep
water areas -- so why are you pushing for those leases?
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"Justin Case" <Thin...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> In 10 years oil consumption will have increased to the point where we
> will still require more oil imports than we do now, regardless of how
> much drilling is done domestically.
>
> It's a zero sum game.
>
> The sooner you rightwing idiots realize that, the sooner we can loosen
> the stranglehold non-renewable energy has on us.
Amen.
>
> You liberal buffoons need to pull your heads out of your asses. Yes, we
> need to find alternative solutions but for the foreseeable future, we will
> need oil. If we drill domestically then, in ten years, our dependency
> will be vastly reduced.
Nope. Not at all. If we drilled now (which we can't), in 10 years we'd be
about where we are now in terms of dependancy. We'd have to engage in a
Manhattan Project style of drilling campaign to reduce our dependancy at
all.
>Compound that with the increased demand for oil from emerging nations will
>place us in a good position. Another point which liberals would appreciate
>is that the only reason we have anything to do with the Middle East is
>because oil is a national concern. The area is important to our national
>interests and the silver lining (for liberals) is that we would then have
>no need of Israel.
Why are we exporting oil when we could reduce imports by 25% if we used it
ourselves?
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"Starkiller" <NoSpamS...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
> Even though it won't take 10 years to get oil out of the ground as
> Marathon is allready demonstrating: http://tinyurl.com/58qu5x
> 61 days from Spud to production.
>
Is that well in ANWAR? In the North Slope? Offshore? No to all - it's on
dry land where millions of acres have already been leased.
SMITH29
> to make any noticeable impact.
> Even though it won't take 10 years to get oil out of the ground as
> Marathon is allready demonstrating: http://tinyurl.com/58qu5x
> 61 days from Spud to production.
>
Nobanga Nodrilla needs to chat with T. Boone Pickens
He can explain how it works to the Boone.
29
SMITH29
Hey Baxter!!! How many wells have you brought in?
29
SMITH29
> SMITH29 wrote:
>> OK, so now we know exactly who to blame and the Democrats will suffer
>> for this careless act.
>>
>
> Pelosi needs to be hauled behind the same keel as Cheney.
>
>
> -c
xxxx
What does Cheney have to do with this?
March Hare
> On Jul 22, 1:25 pm, SMITH29 <smit...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> OK, so now we know exactly who to blame and the Democrats will suffer
>
> Geez, your a moron. Do you think, and I use the term loosely, that if
> we approve off shore drilling we'll have gusher after gusher in a
> week? Are you really that dumb????
Do you grasp that any perceived INCREASE in long and short term
production acts to reduce pricing now?
Markets are forward looking, you ignorant fucknozzle!
> Do you know that it will take 10 years to get any recoverable oil from
> a well started today?
That's a flat out lie perpetuated by Bill Richardson.
You have not one clue what you're talking about, assburp!
March Hare
> On Jul 22, 2:00 pm, Yer Pal Al <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 22, 1:46 pm, Kevin Cunningham <sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 22, 1:25 pm, SMITH29 <smit...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> OK, so now we know exactly who to blame and the Democrats will suffer
>>>> for this careless act.http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jul/19/pelosi-vows-to-bloc...
>>> Geez, your a moron. Do you think, and I use the term loosely, that if
>>> we approve off shore drilling we'll have gusher after gusher in a
>>> week? Are you really that dumb????
>> set?
>>
>>> a well started today?
>
> will still require more oil imports than we do now, regardless of how
> much drilling is done domestically.
Wrong.
> It's a zero sum game.
Not domestically.
> The sooner you rightwing idiots realize that, the sooner we can loosen
> the stranglehold non-renewable energy has on us.
Got something else to run semis across the nation with?
Trains?
Long distance car travel?
You're a fucking Luddite who would destroy this nation for your own
stupidity and spite.
I fucking LOATHE morons like you - eat shit and DIE!@
March Hare
> On Jul 22, 10:25 am, SMITH29 <smit...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> OK, so now we know exactly who to blame and the Democrats will suffer
>> for this careless act.http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jul/19/pelosi-vows-to-bloc...
>
>
>
> Most Americans are smarter than
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March Hare
> Starkiller wrote:
>
>> The ten year figure got started because that is the estimimate by some
>> so called eperts for drilling in ANWR and establishing the
>> infrastructure needed to support it. Mostly due to the fact that the
>> heavy equipment needed to excavate the sire can only operate on the
>> tundra during the winter months. Once they have found the right spots
>
>
> "once they have found the right spots." If you're in a hurry, do
> dousing rods work?
Ever hear of 3D seismic surveys?
WTF is wrong with your mind?
March Hare
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> "gatt" <ga...@livefromtheclocktower2008.us> wrote in message
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>> Starkiller wrote:
>>
>>> The ten year figure got started because that is the estimimate by some
>>> so called eperts for drilling in ANWR and establishing the
>>> infrastructure needed to support it. Mostly due to the fact that the
>>> heavy equipment needed to excavate the sire can only operate on the
>>> tundra during the winter months. Once they have found the right spots
>>
>> "once they have found the right spots." If you're in a hurry, do dousing
>> rods work?
>
> And, of course, how to get that oil from the rig to the refinery.
Lots of ways, pipelines work great.
> Also, Starkiller leaves out the fact that the oil companies are salivating
> over deep-water, offshore leases -- when there is no deep-water drill rigs
> available.
Dumbass,without a need none will be built, DUH!
Fucking GROW A BRAIN!
> Then he turns around an ignores the fact that many are calling
> for the oil companies to drill on existing leases - which ARE on dry land
> AND can be reached fairly easily as he indicates.
And if they HAD good oil reserves they'd already have been drilled.
WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING STUPID?????
March Hare
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> "Yer Pal Al" <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Jul 22, 1:46 pm, Kevin Cunningham <sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> On Jul 22, 1:25 pm, SMITH29 <smit...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK, so now we know exactly who to blame and the Democrats will suffer
>>>> for this careless
>>>> act.http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jul/19/pelosi-vows-to-bloc...
>>> Geez, your a moron. Do you think, and I use the term loosely, that if
>>> we approve off shore drilling we'll have gusher after gusher in a
>>> week? Are you really that dumb????
>> Are you that dumb that you don't know how the price for a commodity is
>> set?
>
> It's you rightards that have such problems with cost/price.
Oh pardon me, I though the po folks were having issues...my bad...
>>> Do you know that it will take 10 years to get any recoverable oil from
>>> a well started today?
>> In 10 years we aren't going to need *ANY* oil?
>
> If we switch to plug-in hybrids and cut oil/gasoline usage by 50%, then
> existing wells will be producing all the oil we need 10 years from now.
Nope.
Not on a global basis.
Go talk to China, they're the auto growth story, fool.
March Hare
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:07:42 +0000 (UTC), gatt
> <ga...@livefromtheclocktower2008.us> wrote:
>
>> Starkiller wrote:
>>
>>> The ten year figure got started because that is the estimimate by some
>>> so called eperts for drilling in ANWR and establishing the
>>> infrastructure needed to support it. Mostly due to the fact that the
>>> heavy equipment needed to excavate the sire can only operate on the
>>> tundra during the winter months. Once they have found the right spots
>>
>> "once they have found the right spots." If you're in a hurry, do
>> dousing rods work?
>
> Seems you're one to cut a sentence in half then change the meaning to
> suit your piddly little needs.
> Guess honest discussion is just too far over your little head.
Gothman is a human hot button and a cowardly snip artist.
Best thing you can do is piss him off and then dance all over him.
He's easy.
March Hare
Why de gubmint'll hep us, of coors!
March Hare
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/china_starts_oil_drilling.html
While Washington dithers over exploiting oil and gas reserves off the
coast of Florida, China has seized the opportunity to gobble up these
deposits, which run throughout Latin America, the Caribbean and along
the U.S. Gulf coast.
The Chinese have forged a deal with Cuban leader Fidel Castro to explore
and tap into massive oil reserves almost within sight of Key West,
Florida. At the same time, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who
controls the largest oil reserves in the Western Hemisphere, is making
deals to sell his country?s oil to China, oil that is currently coming
to the United States.
Meanwhile, a new left-wing populist regime in Bolivia has nationalized
the natural gas industry, threatening to cut off supplies to the United
States.
SLANT DRILLING
There are new reports out circulating that Chinese firms are planning to
slant drill off the Cuban coast near the Florida Straits, tapping into
U.S. oil reserves that are estimated at 4.6 billion to 9.3 billion
barrels. This compares with 4 billion to 10 billion barrels believed to
be beneath the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge, where drilling is held
up in Congress due to the objections of environmental groups which warn
of endangering caribou. Permission to drill in the refuge, which experts
are certain will not present any environmental hazard, has failed by
just two votes in the Senate.
As Chinese business increases its reach around the world, it is seeking
oil, which it lacks domestically.
After elections in Mexico in early July, when a new regime hostile to
Washington is expected to take power, the United States might be without
supplies of Mexican crude oil. The United States gets about 40 percent
of its imported oil from Mexico and Venezuela.
China is eager to tap into oil reserves in the Florida Straits and then
make a deal with Castro to control it. The Chinese have already reopened
an abandoned Russian oil refinery in Cuba. Much of the gas refined there
is believed to be destined for Freeport in the Bahamas, where the
Chinese, through front company Hutchison-Whampoa, has developed a
massive port facility and airfield.
With the refinery reopened and expanded it will also meet the needs of
Castro.
Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) has introduced legislation to ease U.S.
restrictions that prevent dealing with Cuba to drill in the Florida
Straits. It is hoped that Florida regulations that prevent U.S. oil
drilling off the state?s coasts could also be eased.
The irony is that Chinese drilling could be even more of an
environmental hazard since China is not as concerned about or equipped
to deal with any potential ecological disaster as a result of a spill,
said Craig.
March Hare
> Nope. Not at all. If we drilled now (which we can't), in 10 years we'd be
> about where we are now in terms of dependancy. We'd have to engage in a
> Manhattan Project style of drilling campaign to reduce our dependancy at
> all.
Great idea, love it.
Add that to coal to liquids.
Biodiesel.
Ethanol.
CNG.
etc.
Let's go!
>
>> Compound that with the increased demand for oil from emerging nations will
>> place us in a good position. Another point which liberals would appreciate
>> is that the only reason we have anything to do with the Middle East is
>> because oil is a national concern. The area is important to our national
>> interests and the silver lining (for liberals) is that we would then have
>> no need of Israel.
> Why are we exporting oil when we could reduce imports by 25% if we used it
> ourselves?
Because it's a FREE market fool, we have to contribute if we want to see
any coming our way, capisce?
And importing 69% we'd best play the game, right?
Damn you are so FUCKING STUPID!
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> "Starkiller" <NoSpam.S...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:29:15 -0700, "Baxter"
>> <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>> Also, Starkiller leaves out the fact that the oil companies are salivating
>>> over deep-water, offshore leases -- when there is no deep-water drill rigs
>>> available. Then he turns around an ignores the fact that many are calling
>>> for the oil companies to drill on existing leases - which ARE on dry land
>>> AND can be reached fairly easily as he indicates.
>>>
>> How much oil is on those existing leases sparky? Since you all have
>> such a hard on for them to drill there you obviously must have a
>> reference to back it up yes?
>
> google is your friend. 'Course the real question is how much oil is in
> those areas where they want to drill - the answer is: "nobody really knows".
Nor will they until we start drilling, DUH!
>> How many test wells have been drilled on existing leases and came up
>> dry?
>
> How many test wells have been drilled in those offshore area where they want
> to drill and come up empty - the answer is none -- because they don't have
> the equipment.
Nope, the answer is the govt. hasn't done any new geology there in 30
years - ASSHOLE LIAR!
>> How many
>> If the oil companies are lucky they may find oil under 1% of the total
>> land they lease. Maybe you should give them a call since you
>> obviously know exactly where it all is yes?
>>
> Well, you certainly don't know if any of it is in those off-shore, deep
> water areas -- so why are you pushing for those leases?
Actually we DO know from subsidiary geological cahrting.
You're just painfully stupid and mendacious.
March Hare
So?????
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> ourselves?
>
Where do we export to and how much?
29
Don Homuth
wrote:
>gatt wrote:
>> SMITH29 wrote:
>>> OK, so now we know exactly who to blame and the Democrats will suffer
>>> for this careless act.
>>> http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jul/19/pelosi-vows-to-block-offshore-drilling/
>>>
>>
>> Pelosi needs to be hauled behind the same keel as Cheney.
>>
>What does Cheney have to do with this?
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"
March Hare
Drugs just kick in?
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"Starkiller" <NoSpamS...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:16:43 -0700, "Baxter"
> <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>>"lein" <boomer_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>>news:87686722-0893-4e65...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>> ... What's idiotic is Cuba/
>>>China drilling in areas off Florida where U.S. companies are
>>>forbidden.
>>
>>What's idiotic is repeating the debunked claim about the Chinese drilling
>>off Florida.
>>
> Yeah, when it's actually Cuba that is going to be drilling using
> Chinese equipment.
> http://havanajournal.com/business/entry/cuba_oil_production_to_increase_with_more_chinese_equipment_arriving/
>
> or http://tinyurl.com/69uans
>
> That makes it all better yes?
>
If true, it's -their- oil.
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A already posted the link - go find it.
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> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:28:40 -0700, "Baxter"
> <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>
> I notice you chose to snip out thus not answering a really telling
> question which is why would "Big Oil" elect to invest hundreds of
> millions of dollars on off shore rigs if they can get oil using land
> based rigs costing 10% of that?
>
> Please explain what evil plan they have for spending so much more of
> there money on empty holes. How is that going to rake in those
> phenomenal profits you all hate?
> I keep asking that and folks like you just keep snipping it out.
Already answered that a couple days ago - it's financial shenanigans and to
deny the competition access.
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"Starkiller" <NoSpamS...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:24:01 -0700, "Baxter"
> <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>Why are we exporting oil when we could reduce imports by 25% if we used it
>>ourselves?
>>
> Cite? Care to show us just how much crude oil the US is exporting?
>
>
Already posted the cite a day or two ago. Avail yourself of the history.
Bill Shatzer
-snip-
> But both drilling an exploring alternatives isn't a zero sum game and
> not doing both means you are more addicted to oil in 5-10 years and
> still decade(s) away from the alternatives. What's idiotic is Cuba/
> China drilling in areas off Florida where U.S. companies are
> forbidden.
Except the Chinese aren't drilling any wheres close to Florida - or any
where in this hemisphere for that matter.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,366249,00.html
Cheney (and George Will) had their collective heads up their collective
butts once again.
And the only places the Chinese -might- drill and where US companies
might be disallowed are areas within -Cuban- territorial waters.
The Cubans are unlikely to invite Exxon-Mobile in. But should they do
so, US laws would be quite irrelevant as to where they could or could
not drill.
> In the mean time, how are you going to replace millions of cars given
> the turnover for a car is something like 9 years? (and longer if you
> are poor)?
About right - which means that at the end of 9 years, you've replaced
fully half the vehicles.
Half the cars getting 20 mpg and half the cars being plug-in hybrids
getting infinite mpg is a lot better than all the cars getting 20 mpg.
peace and justice,
sherb
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Why do we not hear of the cost factor inherent in this hybrid/electric car
bullshit.
Most folks could not afford the battery complement let alone the new car
built around the batteries etc. Then the falisy of easily charging the
batteries at home. What about the electric bill and the strain on the grid.
Present infra structure would not hanlde the increased loads necessary to do
this...
So seems Drill Now and drill often and drill anywhere is the way to go.
Or a 20 foot tower with windmill and solar power plants on every home in
America and maybe on every car hood...
sherb
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al
> <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 22, 3:23 pm, mordacpreven...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jul 22, 2:00 pm, Yer Pal Al <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Jul 22, 1:46 pm, Kevin Cunningham <sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> > > > OK, so now we know exactly who to blame and the Democrats will
>>> > > > suffer
>>> > > > for this careless
>>>
>>> > > Geez, your a moron. Do you think, and I use the term loosely, that
>>> > > if
>>> > > we approve off shore drilling we'll have gusher after gusher in a
>>> > > week? Are you really that dumb????
>>>
>>> > Are you that dumb that you don't know how the price for a commodity is
>>> > set?
>>>
>>> > > from
>>> > > a well started today?
>>>
>>> > In 10 years we aren't going to need *ANY* oil?
>>>
>>> will still require more oil imports than we do now, regardless of how
>>> much drilling is done domestically.
>>
>>huge profits. If we allow drilling the futures price will go down and
>>although their profit margin is the same, they won't be making record
>>profits.
>>
>>> It's a zero sum game.
>>
>>
>>> The sooner you rightwing idiots realize that, the sooner we can loosen
>>> the stranglehold non-renewable energy has on us.
>>
>>toilet. Our best bet for progress on this is from the auto
>>manufacturers and they are cutting their R&D budgets right now.
>
>
> Wonder how much "big oil" will rake in when they wait that 10 years
> and oil is over $200 a barrel and gas is over $8 a gallon?
Hey
A Gallon of Milk is over $4 now too. So is there a big farmers cartel
making excess profits?
Or is the Oil Industry the only crooks when prices go up.
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> "Yer Pal Al" <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:57e9d40b-b47f-4828...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> >On Jul 22, 1:46 pm, Kevin Cunningham <sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >> On Jul 22, 1:25 pm, SMITH29 <smit...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> > OK, so now we know exactly who to blame and the Democrats will suffer
> >> > for this careless
> >> > act.http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jul/19/pelosi-vows-to-bloc...
>
> >> Geez, your a moron. Do you think, and I use the term loosely, that if
> >> we approve off shore drilling we'll have gusher after gusher in a
> >> week? Are you really that dumb????
>
> >Are you that dumb that you don't know how the price for a commodity is
> >set?
>
Because we make money?
> >> Do you know that it will take 10 years to get any recoverable oil from
> >> a well started today?
>
> >In 10 years we aren't going to need *ANY* oil?
>
> If we switch to plug-in hybrids and cut oil/gasoline usage by 50%, then
> existing wells will be producing all the oil we need 10 years from now.
So we need to start building nuclear plants then - and Pelosi will
block that too.
March Hare
March Hare
LIAR!
March Hare
LIAR!!!
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> "SMITH29" <smi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>> Why are we exporting oil when we could reduce imports by 25% if we used
>>> it ourselves?
>>>
>> xxxx
>> Where do we export to and how much?
>>
> A already posted
March Hare
> lein wrote:
>
> -snip-
>
>> But both drilling an exploring alternatives isn't a zero sum game and
>> not doing both means you are more addicted to oil in 5-10 years and
>> still decade(s) away from the alternatives. What's idiotic is Cuba/
>> China drilling in areas off Florida where U.S. companies are
>> forbidden.
>
> Except the Chinese aren't drilling any wheres close to Florida -
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March Hare
> The Cubans are unlikely to invite Exxon-Mobile in.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
"And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.
It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.
Peace and justice,"
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Bob Harrington
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> mordacp...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Jul 22, 2:00 pm, Yer Pal Al <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jul 22, 1:46 pm, Kevin Cunningham <sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 22, 1:25 pm, SMITH29 <smit...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> OK, so now we know exactly who to blame and the Democrats will
>>>>> suffer for this careless
>>>>> act.http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jul/19/pelosi-vows-t
>>>>> o-bloc...
>>>> Geez, your a moron. Do you think, and I use the term loosely, that
>>>> if we approve off shore drilling we'll have gusher after gusher in
>>>> a week? Are you really that dumb????
>>> Are you that dumb that you don't know how the price for a commodity
>>> is set?
>>>
>>>> Do you know that it will take 10 years to get any recoverable oil
>>>> from a well started today?
>>> In 10 years we aren't going to need *ANY* oil?
>>
>> In 10 years oil consumption will have increased to the point where we
>> will still require more oil imports than we do now, regardless of how
>> much drilling is done domestically.
> xxxx
> You just make that up?
Algore is going to give us all magic carpets within ten years, remember?
>> It's a zero sum game.
>>
> xxxx
> It's a Moonbat game.
> You want to protect Nancy from the wolves who are about to devour her.
>
>> The sooner you rightwing idiots realize that, the sooner we can
>> loosen the stranglehold non-renewable energy has on us.
> xxxx
> Excuse me but the Barking Moonbats are the ones strangling the nation
> and making the Arabs Billionaire's.
As is their intent and plan. I look forward to pissing on Pelosi's grave,
too.
Bob Harrington
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> "Starkiller" <NoSpam.S...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:29:15 -0700, "Baxter"
>> <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Also, Starkiller leaves out the fact that the oil companies are
>>>salivating over deep-water, offshore leases -- when there is no
>>>deep-water drill rigs available. Then he turns around an ignores the
>>>fact that many are calling for the oil companies to drill on existing
>>>leases - which ARE on dry land AND can be reached fairly easily as he
>>>indicates.
>>>
>> How much oil is on those existing leases sparky? Since you all have
>> such a hard on for them to drill there you obviously must have a
>> reference to back it up yes?
>
> google is your friend. 'Course the real question is how much oil is
> in those areas where they want to drill - the answer is: "nobody
> really knows".
>
>> How many test wells have been drilled on existing leases and came up
>> dry?
>
> How many test wells have been drilled in those offshore area where
> they want to drill and come up empty - the answer is none -- because
> they don't have the equipment.
>
>>How many
>> If the oil companies are lucky they may find oil under 1% of the
>> total land they lease. Maybe you should give them a call since you
>> obviously know exactly where it all is yes?
>>
> Well, you certainly don't know if any of it is in those off-shore,
> deep water areas -- so why are you pushing for those leases?
Deep water? Didn't Uhhbama promise to lower the seas?
Bob Harrington
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>> "Yer Pal Al" <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:57e9d40b-b47f-4828...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com
>> ...
>>>On Jul 22, 1:46 pm, Kevin Cunningham <sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jul 22, 1:25 pm, SMITH29 <smit...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > OK, so now we know exactly who to blame and the Democrats will
>>>> > suffer for this careless
>>>> > act.http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jul/19/pelosi-vows-
>>>> > to-bloc...
>>>>
>>>> Geez, your a moron. Do you think, and I use the term loosely, that
>>>> if we approve off shore drilling we'll have gusher after gusher in
>>>> a week? Are you really that dumb????
>>>
>>>Are you that dumb that you don't know how the price for a commodity
>>>is set?
>>
>> It's you rightards that have such problems with cost/price.
>>
>>>> Do you know that it will take 10 years to get any recoverable oil
>>>> from a well started today?
>>>
>>>In 10 years we aren't going to need *ANY* oil?
>>
>> If we switch to plug-in hybrids and cut oil/gasoline usage by 50%,
>> then existing wells will be producing all the oil we need 10 years
>> from now.
>
> And how do you expect everyone to buy new hybrid cars? And how do we
> cope with the increased electrical drain? Hell, in California during
> the summer, we can barely handle the added air conditioning. Build
> more electrical plants? Yea, right. Eco nuts and NIMBY types won't
> let that occur. Maybe we could all pile unto mass public transit and
> have to sit (well more than likely stand for the two hour ride) next
> to some piss smelling bum. Oh, excuse me. Some piss smelling
> homeless person.
Why take a bath when you can take the bus!
Bob Harrington
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>> "Yer Pal Al" <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:57e9d40b-b47f
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>>
>> >On Jul 22, 1:46 pm, Kevin Cunningham <sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> >> On Jul 22, 1:25 pm, SMITH29 <smit...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> > OK, so now we know exactly who to blame and the Democrats will
>> >> > suffe
> r
>> >> > for this careless
>> >> > act.http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jul/19/pelosi-vows
>> >> > -to
> -bloc...
>>
>> >> Geez, your a moron. Do you think, and I use the term loosely, that
>> >> if we approve off shore drilling we'll have gusher after gusher in
>> >> a week? Are you really that dumb????
>>
>> >Are you that dumb that you don't know how the price for a commodity
>> >is set?
>>
>> It's you rightards that have such problems with cost/price.
>
> Because we make money?
>
>> >> Do you know that it will take 10 years to get any recoverable oil
>> >> from a well started today?
>>
>> >In 10 years we aren't going to need *ANY* oil?
>>
>> If we switch to plug-in hybrids and cut oil/gasoline usage by 50%,
>> then existing wells will be producing all the oil we need 10 years
>> from now.
>
> So we need to start building nuclear plants then - and Pelosi will
> block that too.
Not if we build one around her.
Bob Harrington
>
> "Yer Pal Al" <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:72bd4d12-b081-4ed6...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com.
> .. On Jul 22, 3:24 pm, mordacpreven...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Jul 22, 10:25 am, SMITH29 <smit...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> > OK, so now we know exactly who to blame and the Democrats will
>> > suffer for this careless
>> > act.http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jul/19/pelosi-vows-to
>> > -bloc...
>>
>> Good luck with that.
>>
>> Most Americans are smarter than you rightard morons.
>
> 67% are smarter than dumbocrats:
> http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politic
> s/67_support_offshore_drilling_64_expect_it_will_lower_prices
>
> But when the 37% yell, scream, curse and generally abuse yours and
> their rights then the 37% becomes very powerful.
Which is what the Second Ammendment is for.
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On Jul 22, 4:31 pm, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Are you that dumb that you don't know how the price for a commodity is
>> >set?
>>
>> It's you rightards that have such problems with cost/price.
>
>Because we make money?
You wish. As long as you continue to think that price is tied to cost
you'll never really be effective in the marketplace.
>> >> Do you know that it will take 10 years to get any recoverable oil from
>> >> a well started today?
>>
>> >In 10 years we aren't going to need *ANY* oil?
>>
>> If we switch to plug-in hybrids and cut oil/gasoline usage by 50%, then
>> existing wells will be producing all the oil we need 10 years from now.
>
>So we need to start building nuclear plants then - and Pelosi will
>block that too.
Plenty of non-nuclear alternatives. And a nuke plant will take years to
build.
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> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:55:47 -0700, "Baxter"
> <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>If true, it's -their- oil.
>>
> It's still drilling off the tip of Florida.
No, not if it's in Cuban waters. For you rightwads, "off the tip of
Florida" could mean anywhere north of Venezuela.
> So if big oil does it it's wrong but anyone else that isn't American
> can drill in the same spot with your blessing.
> What a fucking hypocrite.
>
You're an idiot if you think you can control what goes on in other country's
international borders.
Governor Swill
>Why do we not hear of the cost factor inherent in this hybrid/electric car
>bullshit.
>Most folks could not afford the battery complement let alone the new car
>built around the batteries etc. Then the falisy of easily charging the
>batteries at home. What about the electric bill and the strain on the grid.
>Present infra structure would not hanlde the increased loads necessary to do
>this...
>
>So seems Drill Now and drill often and drill anywhere is the way to go.
>Or a 20 foot tower with windmill and solar power plants on every home in
>America and maybe on every car hood...
Most folks can't afford a new car period. Are you saying we should
stop building cars? Photovoltaic isn't worth doing on a national
scale. Too many places don't get enough sunshine. Solar water
heating will yield more energy gain faster and cheaper by removing the
number one energy hog in most homes, the hot water heater.
Safety and emissions regulations were instituted from the late
sixties. They weren't blocked because not everybody could afford to
rush out and buy a new car every year. They simply relied on the fact
that cars wear out and are replaced so that eventually, there would be
very few cars not in compliance with safety and emissions regs.
Same thing here. Those who can afford new cars will be have hybrids
available and as time goes on, the national fleet will be replaced
with much more efficient vehicles.
This energy crisis didn't suddenly happen, it's been brewing for
decades and this will be our third such crisis. It's going to take a
while to resolve and isn't going to be resolved by any 'magic bullet'
technology that's going to suddenly give us some grand new source for
our energy. It's going to require multiple energy sources and new
ways of using less energy to do the same or comparable work.
Swill
--
No, his mind is not for rent
To any God or government.
Always hopeful, yet discontent,
He knows changes arent permanent,
But change is.
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
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> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:56:56 -0700, "Baxter"
> <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>>
>>Already posted the cite a day or two ago. Avail yourself of the history.
>>
> Bullshit. The US exports virtually no crude to anyone except Canada
> which is traded off due to the proximity of a couple of fields to
> Canadian refineries. Your 25% figure is a bold faced LIE.
>
Gotta love it - first you say we don't then you say we do. Fact is, the
link I posted showed that we also exported "finished" products such as
gasoline, diesel, heating oil, and the like.
'Course, you've not referenced YOUR claim that we only "export" to Canada.
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> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:58:22 -0700, "Baxter"
> <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Already answered that a couple days ago - it's financial shenanigans and
>>to
>>deny the competition access.
>>
> What competition asshole? Who else drills for oil other than the oil
> companies. Aer you really that stupid?
>
Other oil companies from other countries. Or perhaps you think there is
only one US oil company? Are you that stupid?!
The oil companies are clamoring for those leases, but are unwilling to
guarantee that they will drill. Offer them the leases with (short)
expiration dates and see how interested they are.
Governor Swill
>According to the left "Big Oil" is the devil
Radical extremist leftwingnuts maybe. Most folks have better sense
than that. Did you notice the reaction to Gore's ten year plan? Even
his most ardent supporters are admitting it's unrealistic and deeply
flawed.
Baxter
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> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:59:00 -0700, "Baxter"
> <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>"SMITH29" <smi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>> Why are we exporting oil when we could reduce imports by 25% if we used
>>>> it ourselves?
>>>>
>>> xxxx
>>> Where do we export to and how much?
>>>
>>A already posted the link - go find it.
>>
> Keep lying shill. You have yet to post a credible cite for a damned
> thing you've posted and you have absolutely not posted a damned thing
> regarding exports other than your 25% LIE.
>
Yawn. Go clean your ass with your tongue.
John Black
NoSpam.S...@hotmail.com says...
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:00:35 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al
> <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Jul 22, 1:46 pm, Kevin Cunningham <sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > OK, so now we know exactly who to blame and the Democrats will suffer
> >> > for this careless act.http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jul/19/pelosi-vows-to-bloc...
> >>
> >> we approve off shore drilling we'll have gusher after gusher in a
> >> week? Are you really that dumb????
> >
> >set?
> >
> >> a well started today?
Wrong. See below. However, is it the democrat party's position that we
should only do things that will have a benefit next week? Anything that
has a longer term benefit is not worth doing?
> The 10 year timeframe that everyone keeps repeating is not a very
> realistic one. It takes less than a year to construct and get a
> standard land based 20,000 foot drilling platform producing oil.
> Offshore jack up rigs can take two to three years and a semi up to 4.
> The ten year figure got started because that is the estimimate by some
> so called eperts for drilling in ANWR and establishing the
> infrastructure needed to support it. Mostly due to the fact that the
> heavy equipment needed to excavate the sire can only operate on the
> tundra during the winter months. Once they have found the right spots
> and oil starts flowing the permanent platforms and roads would then be
> constructed.
> The no drilling folks have simply adopted the ten year number across
> the board regardless of where. And they have modified it from "it
> could take up to 10 years" to "It's just going to take 10 years". as
> it suits their agenda better.
Right. Some estimate only a few years if permits are fasttracked. And
the effect on the oil futures market would be immediate (something the
dems have no understanding of).
John Black
Governor Swill
>> Starkiller wrote ..
>>> Baxter wrote:
>>>>Why are we exporting oil when we could reduce imports by 25% if we used it
>>>>ourselves?
>Bullshit. The US exports virtually no crude to anyone except Canada
>which is traded off due to the proximity of a couple of fields to
>Canadian refineries. Your 25% figure is a bold faced LIE.
You are correct. At least the CIA thinks so.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/us.html
Electricity - exports: 19.8 billion kWh (2005)
Electricity - imports: 44.53 billion kWh (2005)
Oil - production: 8.322 million bbl/day (2005 est.)
Oil - consumption: 20.8 million bbl/day (2005 est.)
Oil - exports: 1.048 million bbl/day (2004)
Oil - imports: 13.15 million bbl/day (2004)
Baxter, take note of the fact that "1" is not 25% of "13". But no
matter, I've been caught the same way. Some years ago I had read that
we exported the thick, heavy crude of Alaska to Japan because it's
sulphur content made it unsuitable for use in the US due to
environmental regulations. This turned out not to be true and some
kind soul politely pointed me towards sources demonstrating that we
don't export any oil from Alaska.
Governor Swill
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>>>
>> Where do we export to and how much?
>>
>A already posted the link - go find it.
>
I googled "us oil exports" and got the info I posted earlier.
Yer Pal Al
> where in this hemisphere for that matter.
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,366249,00.html
>
> Cheney (and George Will) had their collective heads up their collective
> butts once again.
>
> And the only places the Chinese -might- drill and where US companies
> might be disallowed are areas within -Cuban- territorial waters.
>
> The Cubans are unlikely to invite Exxon-Mobile in. But should they do
> so, US laws would be quite irrelevant as to where they could or could
> not drill.
>
> > In the mean time, how are you going to replace millions of cars given
> > the turnover for a car is something like 9 years? (and longer if you
> > are poor)?
>
> About right - which means that at the end of 9 years, you've replaced
> fully half the vehicles.
>
> Half the cars getting 20 mpg and half the cars being plug-in hybrids
> getting infinite mpg is a lot better than all the cars getting 20 mpg.
How does a plug-in HYBRID get infinite gas mileage? Maybe you could
google-up some info on the different possible power technologies.
Next: Where do we get the electricity?
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> "Yer Pal Al" <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:28cbe970-0dfc-4f51...@b2g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 22, 4:31 pm, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >> >Are you that dumb that you don't know how the price for a commodity is
> >> >set?
>
> >> It's you rightards that have such problems with cost/price.
>
> >Because we make money?
>
> You wish. As long as you continue to think that price is tied to cost
> you'll never really be effective in the marketplace.
It's the Democrats that have a problem with that. They keep saying,
"We can't drill ourselves out of this." When the reality is that when
Bush repealed the executive moratorium on off-shore drilling my gas
went down a dime.
> >> >> Do you know that it will take 10 years to get any recoverable oil from
> >> >> a well started today?
>
> >> >In 10 years we aren't going to need *ANY* oil?
>
> >> If we switch to plug-in hybrids and cut oil/gasoline usage by 50%, then
> >> existing wells will be producing all the oil we need 10 years from now.
>
> >So we need to start building nuclear plants then - and Pelosi will
> >block that too.
>
> Plenty of non-nuclear alternatives. And a nuke plant will take years to
> build.
And your "alternatives" will come on-line faster? If you are talking
about wind-power, Ted Kennedy will block that as well like he already
has.
SMITH29
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>>> Why are we exporting oil when we could reduce imports by 25% if we used
>>> it ourselves?
>>>
>> xxxx
>> Where do we export to and how much?
>>
> A already posted the link - go find it.
>
>
I wanna see you support your 25% import reduction if we use the oil we
export.
Next you will tell us you trained T. Boone Pickens.
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Don Homuth
<Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote:
>... when
>Bush repealed the executive moratorium on off-shore drilling my gas
>went down a dime.
See, inter alia, "Cause/Effect" and "Coincidence."
What will you whine about when it goes back up?
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> > On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:55:47 -0700, "Baxter"
> > <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
> >>If true, it's -their- oil.
>
> > It's still drilling off the tip of Florida.
>
> No, not if it's in Cuban waters. For you rightwads, "off the tip of
> Florida" could mean anywhere north of Venezuela.
It's the north coast of Cuba. They are currently exploring in waters
150 miles from Key West, but potentially they could find oil much
closer.
> > So if big oil does it it's wrong but anyone else that isn't American
> > can drill in the same spot with your blessing.
> > What a fucking hypocrite.
>
> You're an idiot if you think you can control what goes on in other country's
> international borders.
You're an idiot if you think we aren't competing with China, Cuba is
an enemy and an oil field recognizes an international border.
Bill Shatzer
-snip-
> And how do you expect everyone to buy new hybrid cars? And how do we cope
> with the increased electrical drain? Hell, in California during the summer,
> we can barely handle the added air conditioning. Build more electrical
> plants? Yea, right. Eco nuts and NIMBY types won't let that occur. Maybe
> we could all pile unto mass public transit and have to sit (well more than
> likely stand for the two hour ride) next to some piss smelling bum. Oh,
> excuse me. Some piss smelling homeless person.
Sigh. To repeat, there is plenty of excess generating capacity during
the wee hours of the morning.
And guess when most plug-in electric and hybrid vehicles would be being
recharged?
http://www.latimes.com/business/nationworld/wire/ats-ap-electric-carsjul22,1,6001021.story
Peace and justice,
SMITH29
xxxx
According to this: >
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/petroleum_supply_monthly/current/pdf/table47.pdf
we do....
bottom of the page.....
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SMITH29
xxxx
We need to drill ANWR and off shore where ever the oil company's feel
it's feasible.
We need to build a better electric grid and lots of solar and windmills
per the Pickens thoughts.
We need to implement ethanol, natural gas, battery power, bio diesel and
any other feasible power source to wean us off gasoline and diesel as
our only widely used fuels.
We need to quit using oil for heat and electric generation.
We need to build nuclear power plants. France is 80% nuclear with no
accidents using our Westinghouse hot water systems. We are world leaders
in nuclear yet we have few.
It's time to get to work rather than try to politicize our energy needs
for no amount of economizing and side walks will help because we are
growing in population and power requirements.
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Bill Shatzer
-snip-
> How does a plug-in HYBRID get infinite gas mileage? Maybe you could
> google-up some info on the different possible power technologies.
As long as it's running on it's batteries, its gasoline consumption is zero.
Any number divided by zero is infinity.
> Next: Where do we get the electricity?
Not from gasoline certainly.
And something less than 3% from other petroleum derived sources.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/table1_1.html
Peace and justice,
Bill Shatzer
-snip-
> It's the Democrats that have a problem with that. They keep saying,
> "We can't drill ourselves out of this." When the reality is that when
> Bush repealed the executive moratorium on off-shore drilling my gas
> went down a dime.
Rather demonstrating that speculation and not supply is the larger part
of the problem, no?
Bush's announcement didn't add a single barrel to the nation's petroleum
supply. Not now, not even in ten years.
Peace and justice,
SMITH29
> Yer Pal Al wrote:
>
> -snip-
>
>> It's the Democrats that have a problem with that. They keep saying,
>> "We can't drill ourselves out of this." When the reality is that when
>> Bush repealed the executive moratorium on off-shore drilling my gas
>> went down a dime.
>
> Rather demonstrating that speculation and not supply is the larger part
> of the problem, no?
No.
>
> Bush's announcement didn't add a single barrel to the nation's petroleum
> supply. Not now, not even in ten years.
People are buying less because of the price and I don't know about you
but I think energy independence is mandatory and drilling where it is
the next job so if you have oily skin yer apt to get drilled.
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>
> Peace and justice,
>
rm...@my-deja.com
> Good luck with that.
>
> Most Americans are smarter than you rightard morons.
First position: When he first announced his decision to
abandon his longstanding opposition to offshore drilling,
McCain said it would be helpful in the short term.
Second position: Days later, McCain and his top
economic advisor admitted it would have no immediate effect,
but would have a “psychological” impact.
Third position: Later he reversed himself once again,
say drilling is part of his short term solution to energy
prices.
The latest: During today’s town hall meeting in New
Hampshire, McCain says “oil executives” told him we “could
see results” from offshore drilling “within a couple of
years.”
Considering that he can’t even keep his facts straight,
is it any surprise that his new ad offensive has been
universally panned as “false,” “misleading,” and “wrong?”
This posting includes an audio/video/photo media file:
Download Now
http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Download/31212/2/MSNBC-McCain-Oil...
Yer Pal Al
> Yer Pal Al wrote:
>
> -snip-
>
> > How does a plug-in HYBRID get infinite gas mileage? Maybe you could
> > google-up some info on the different possible power technologies.
>
> As long as it's running on it's batteries, its gasoline consumption is zero.
>
> Any number divided by zero is infinity.
Gasoline cars can get infinite gas mileage too if you pushed them. It
doesn't make sense to build a hybrid with a gas engine if it doesn't
need a gas engine.
> > Next: Where do we get the electricity?
>
> Not from gasoline certainly.
>
> And something less than 3% from other petroleum derived sources.
>
> http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/table1_1.html
So what you want us to do is stop burning gas in our cars and start
using electricity - over 70% of which is generated from non-renewable
fossil fuels?
Yer Pal Al
> Yer Pal Al wrote:
>
> -snip-
>
> > It's the Democrats that have a problem with that. They keep saying,
> > "We can't drill ourselves out of this." When the reality is that when
> > Bush repealed the executive moratorium on off-shore drilling my gas
> > went down a dime.
>
> Rather demonstrating that speculation and not supply is the larger part
> of the problem, no?
It's all of the problem (the problem being high oil prices). Oil is
traded as a commidity.
> Bush's announcement didn't add a single barrel to the nation's petroleum
> supply. Not now, not even in ten years.
And if Pelosi gets her way, gas is going to jump 20 cents a gallon and
continue to climb. And she won't have to take away a barrel from
current production.
Don Homuth
<dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:03:59 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al
><Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>... when
>>Bush repealed the executive moratorium on off-shore drilling my gas
>>went down a dime.
>
>See, inter alia, "Cause/Effect" and "Coincidence."
Or alternatively, what actually caused the decline in awl prices:
UPDATE 10-Oil slips further amid worries over U.S. demand
07.23.08, 3:32 PM ET
United States - (Updates prices with Brent settlement, details)
By Richard Valdmanis
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Oil prices fell $4 to a six-week low Wednesday
after a U.S. government report reinforced concerns high prices and
economic turmoil were slashing into the nation's energy demand...
The losses came after the U.S. Energy (nasdaq: USEG - news - people )
Information Administration released a report showing a surprisingly
large increase in domestic gasoline stockpiles last week, accompanied
by weak implied demand.
"The big build on products in the EIA (report) is bringing the market
down. Demand remains very poor for gasoline and distillates," said
Phil Flynn, an energy analyst at Alaron Trading in Chicago.
The EIA report also showed a decline in nationwide crude stockpiles as
imports slumped.
Adding to downward pressure on crude prices, Hurricane Dolly was not
expected to cause any lasting disruptions to oil production from the
Gulf of Mexico....
Despite oil's recent losses, the market remains up more than 25
percent this year and more than six-fold higher since 2002, driven in
part by growth in demand from China and other developing economies.
(Editing by Christian Wiessner)
duncan idahoe
SO FUCKING WHAT?????
duncan idahoe
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> On Jul 22, 4:31 pm, "Baxter" <lbax02.spamgu...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>>> Are you that dumb that you don't know how the price for a commodity is
>>>> set?
>>> It's you rightards that have such problems with cost/price.
>> Because we make money?
>
> You wish. As long as you continue to think that price is tied to cost
> you'll never really be effective in the marketplace.
You have no clue what the market is, insect.
>>>>> Do you know that it will take 10 years to get any recoverable oil from
>>>>> a well started today?
>>>> In 10 years we aren't going to need *ANY* oil?
>>> If we switch to plug-in hybrids and cut oil/gasoline usage by 50%, then
>>> existing wells will be producing all the oil we need 10 years from now.
>> So we need to start building nuclear plants then - and Pelosi will
>> block that too.
>
> Plenty of non-nuclear alternatives. And a nuke plant will take years to
> build.
So what?
They're clean and efficient.
duncan idahoe
So???
If the geology is good they'll drill , if not, they lose the money they
spent on those leases.
See how that works?
> Offer them the leases with (short)
> expiration dates and see how interested they are.
Why?
WTF difference does that make?
You're just an oil-company hater.