Obamacare Is So Great Americans Are Paying To Remain Uninsured Because It's Cheaper

David Hartung

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Jan 17, 2016, 1:31:04 PM1/17/16

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wy

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Jan 17, 2016, 1:48:23 PM1/17/16

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On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 1:31:04 PM UTC-5, David Hartung wrote:
> http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/01/14/obamacare-so-great-that-americans-are-paying-to-be-uninsured-because-its-cheaper-n2099929

"Mr. Murphy, an engineer in Sulphur Springs, Tex., estimates that under the Affordable Care Act, he will face a penalty of $1,800 for going uninsured in 2016. But in his view, paying that penalty is worth it if he can avoid buying an insurance policy that costs $2,900 or more. All he has to do is stay healthy."

That's the key, isn't it? As long as he "stays healthy." Once he doesn't, then he's got problems. And unless you die first before getting those problems, most people won't stay healthy. And where is he located? Oh, right, Texas, the state that has refused to set up its own health insurance exchange and where the medical community is crying for at least an expansion of Medicaid in that state to save money as well as see more employment in the medical arena. And if the guy is an engineer, he's gotta be making pretty good money to afford insurance, so all he's being is a cheapskate. He just better "stay healthy" and also avoid any unanticipated life-threatening accidents.

Tom Sr.

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Jan 17, 2016, 2:06:31 PM1/17/16

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On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 1:31:04 PM UTC-5, David Hartung wrote:

> Obamacare Is So Great Americans Are Paying To Remain Uninsured Because
> It's Cheaper

Stupid is as stupid does.

*duh*

. . .

Fred Oinka

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Jan 17, 2016, 8:48:30 PM1/17/16

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On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 1:31:04 PM UTC-5, David Hartung wrote:

> http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/01/14/obamacare-so-great-that-americans-are-paying-to-be-uninsured-because-its-cheaper-n2099929

Everyone with a brain saw this coming, the others voted for Obama.

NoBody

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Jan 18, 2016, 11:57:17 AM1/18/16

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That's why Tom posts his stupidity.

First Post

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Jan 18, 2016, 12:15:43 PM1/18/16

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My current "Obamacare compliant" health insurance premium costs $578 a
month. That's $6,936 a year. My actual medical bills over the last 5
years have averages right at $1,000 per year, annual check up and
prescriptions and what not.
If I drop health insurance and just pay out of my own pocket, those
medical bills actually go down as my annual checkup alone decreases by
over $200 if I pay cash directly to my doctor.
The tax penalty for me not having any insurance is $695.
So by dropping health coverage and paying the tax penalty I would
actually come out $5,441 better off financially than by following the
Obamacare mandate.

wy

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Jan 18, 2016, 12:29:25 PM1/18/16

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Until you end up in an accident that leaves you in a coma in some hospital bed for a month or two or you need heart or cancer surgery, which is for when your premiums will really be applied towards the cost of that care. What, you actually believe you can cough up $50K or 100K overnight without insurance when that would happen? Boy, you're stupid. Premiums are down payments towards future use in covering worst case scenarios, and if one lives long enough, most people will face worst case scenarios. So, yeah, boy, you're stupid again.

NoBody

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Jan 19, 2016, 6:45:13 AM1/19/16

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And Wy avoids the whole point once again and proves his stupidity once
more.

Tom Sr.

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Jan 19, 2016, 8:17:08 AM1/19/16

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And NoWussy SPAMS yet again.

*yawn*

. . .

First Post

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Jan 19, 2016, 5:26:11 PM1/19/16

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The idiot is so moronic that they are completely incapable of even
arguing the smallest point.

Besides, what's good for the goose...
If I ever have anything catastrophic to deal with then I can simply do
as wy or any one of the millions of Americans who simply go to the
emergency room because they can't turn you away.
Hell, does the idiot actually think that most Americans can afford to
pay the $5,000 deductibles on top of the $10,000 out of pocket that
most policies now have?
And many of them have higher out of pockets than that if you want to
get one of those $20 a month policies that they advertise on that
stupid assed Obamacare commercial.
Most folks can afford to dish out ten or fifteen thousand about as
easy as they could $300 thousand.
In other words not at all.
So why bother paying a dime if the government mandates that the
hospital cannot turn you away if in dire need and you have no
insurance.
See this is a good real life lesson in socialism for wy.
Just like many Russian factory workers who back in the day got paid no
more for being productive than the lazy slobs that did nothing at all
but collect a pay check.
With health insurance, the government has declared that you cannot be
turned away from the emergency room for not having it and if you do
have it then you're looking at having to pay out $15,000 or more. But
if you do like everyone else who doesn't pay anything into the system
then you'll bet your medical care and won't have to pay anything.
Let the other honest folks that pay the high premiums and deductibles
pay for it just like the productive factory workers made payroll for
the deadbeats in communist Russia.
Socialism. Ain't it great?

Health Plan

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Jan 19, 2016, 5:38:52 PM1/19/16

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Ain't it the truth.

Salty Stan

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Jan 19, 2016, 5:42:50 PM1/19/16

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On Monday, January 18, 2016 at 12:15:43 PM UTC-5, First Post wrote:

Th irony is that : what happens to the poor who can't afford Obama's expensive health care? They get fined $695.

That's right, Obama is fining the poor for being poor.

Salty Stan

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Jan 19, 2016, 5:48:46 PM1/19/16

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It's not polite to make fun of stupid people.

Tom, don't let them do this to you...boycott this NewsGroup permanently until they apologize...

wy

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Jan 19, 2016, 5:55:33 PM1/19/16

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Boy, is Fist Post ever really stupid.

How does the lack of insurance affect access to health care?

People without insurance coverage have worse access to care than people who are insured. Over a quarter of uninsured adults in 2014 (27%) went without needed medical care due to cost. Studies repeatedly demonstrate that the uninsured are less likely than those with insurance to receive preventive care and services for major health conditions and chronic diseases.

What are the financial implications of lack of coverage?

The uninsured often face unaffordable medical bills when they do seek care. In 2014, nearly 36% of low- and middle-income uninsured adults said they had problems paying medical bills. These bills can quickly translate into medical debt since most of the uninsured have low or moderate incomes and have little, if any, savings.

http://kff.org/uninsured/fact-sheet/key-facts-about-the-uninsured-population/

Yeah, Stupid First Post thinks the poor in America live in a socialist medical heaven. Boy, Stupid First Post is really stupid of the first order.

wy

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Jan 19, 2016, 6:01:41 PM1/19/16

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You don't pay if your poor. You also don't pay if:

https://www.healthcare.gov/health-coverage-exemptions/hardship-exemptions/

Boy, you're stupid.

Beam Me Up Scotty

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Jan 19, 2016, 6:38:51 PM1/19/16

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At least put us all in your filter... please!

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That's Karma

someone else

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Jan 19, 2016, 10:29:31 PM1/19/16

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On 1/19/2016 7:21 PM, SlackJaw wrote:
>
> if the government doesn't lost it etc.

Someone else might get the impression that you, in the midst of pointing
out a spelling error, could be proudly stupid

NoBody

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Jan 20, 2016, 6:44:35 AM1/20/16

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On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 05:17:06 -0800 (PST), "Tom Sr."
<thomas.sw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>And Tom SPAMS yet again.

NoBody

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Jan 20, 2016, 6:48:59 AM1/20/16

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It's "you're", you dope.

NoBody

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Jan 20, 2016, 6:50:58 AM1/20/16

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Your sentence structure seems poor in that it sounds incomplete.
Additionally, you forgot to place a period at the end of your
sentence.

Tom Sr.

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Jan 20, 2016, 8:14:44 AM1/20/16

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8huXkSaL7o

. . .

someone else

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Jan 20, 2016, 8:42:38 AM1/20/16

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On 1/20/2016 5:50 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 21:29:32 -0600, someone else
> <con...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 1/19/2016 7:21 PM, SlackJaw wrote:
>>>
>>> if the government doesn't lost it etc.
>>
>>
>> Someone else might get the impression that you, in the midst of pointing
>> out a spelling error, could be proudly stupid
>
> Your sentence structure seems poor

Someone else would note that you apparently can't type well, if at all

Message has been deleted

Salty Stan

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Jan 20, 2016, 10:25:14 AM1/20/16

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As, say, compared to you?

>
> How does the lack of insurance affect access to health care?
>
> People without insurance coverage have worse access to care than people who are insured. Over a quarter of uninsured adults in 2014 (27%) went without needed medical care due to cost. Studies repeatedly demonstrate that the uninsured are less likely than those with insurance to receive preventive care and services for major health conditions and chronic diseases.
>
> What are the financial implications of lack of coverage?
>
> The uninsured often face unaffordable medical bills when they do seek care. In 2014, nearly 36% of low- and middle-income uninsured adults said they had problems paying medical bills. These bills can quickly translate into medical debt since most of the uninsured have low or moderate incomes and have little, if any, savings.
>
> http://kff.org/uninsured/fact-sheet/key-facts-about-the-uninsured-population/
>
>
> Yeah, Stupid First Post thinks the poor in America live in a socialist medical heaven. Boy, Stupid First Post is really stupid of the first order.

So, you're saying ObamaCare is a massive failure.

wy

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Jan 20, 2016, 11:32:48 AM1/20/16

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No, Stupid First Post consistently excels at stupidity, something I consistently fail at. Boy, you're stupid.

>
>
> >
> > How does the lack of insurance affect access to health care?
> >
> > People without insurance coverage have worse access to care than people who are insured. Over a quarter of uninsured adults in 2014 (27%) went without needed medical care due to cost. Studies repeatedly demonstrate that the uninsured are less likely than those with insurance to receive preventive care and services for major health conditions and chronic diseases.
> >
> > What are the financial implications of lack of coverage?
> >
> > The uninsured often face unaffordable medical bills when they do seek care. In 2014, nearly 36% of low- and middle-income uninsured adults said they had problems paying medical bills. These bills can quickly translate into medical debt since most of the uninsured have low or moderate incomes and have little, if any, savings.
> >
> > http://kff.org/uninsured/fact-sheet/key-facts-about-the-uninsured-population/
> >
> >
> > Yeah, Stupid First Post thinks the poor in America live in a socialist medical heaven. Boy, Stupid First Post is really stupid of the first order.
>
> So, you're saying ObamaCare is a massive failure.

In that it's not socialized medicine, yeah. Boy, you're stupid.

NoBody

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Jan 21, 2016, 6:25:33 AM1/21/16

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On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 07:42:38 -0600, someone else

<con...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 1/20/2016 5:50 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 21:29:32 -0600, someone else
>> <con...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/19/2016 7:21 PM, SlackJaw wrote:
>>>>
>>>> if the government doesn't lost it etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> Someone else might get the impression that you, in the midst of pointing
>>> out a spelling error, could be proudly stupid
>>
>> Your sentence structure seems poor
>
>
>Someone else would note that you apparently can't type well, if at all

Feel free to explain what I typed incorrectly. I noted your poor
sentence structure and missing period (which you missed yet again).

NoBody

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Jan 21, 2016, 6:26:44 AM1/21/16

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On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:00:59 -0700, coo...@loon.com wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 07:42:38 -0600, someone else
><con...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>> Someone else might get the impression that you, in the midst of pointing
>>>> out a spelling error, could be proudly stupid
>>>
>>> Your sentence structure seems poor
>>
>>
>>Someone else would note that you apparently can't type well, if at all
>

>His typing is miles above his thinking ability
>

Damn, you broke the irony bell.

>He's the usenet dingy

Proof enough that you are also "someone else". You don't seem to know
what the "." is used for either.

NoBody

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Jan 21, 2016, 6:28:18 AM1/21/16

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On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:00:08 -0700, coo...@loon.com wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 06:48:58 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Th irony is that : what happens to the poor who can't afford Obama's expensive health care? They get fined $695.
>

>No one gets "fined" if their income is such that they CAN afford HC

>
>>>> That's right, Obama is fining the poor for being poor.
>>>
>>>You don't pay if your poor. You also don't pay if:
>>
>>It's "you're", you dope.
>

>Yes you are
>
>Reminding us is good of you

Whoosh goes the point right over Nowussy / Yorgort's head.

NoBody

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Jan 22, 2016, 6:55:41 AM1/22/16

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Silence from someone else.

Tom Sr.

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Jan 22, 2016, 7:32:37 AM1/22/16

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Wishes that NoWussy would learn from others about being silent and would stop his fucking spamming.

. . .

Vandar

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Jan 22, 2016, 9:56:52 AM1/22/16

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On 1/22/2016 7:32 AM, Tom Sr. wrote:
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>
> Wishes that NoWussy would learn from others about being silent and would stop his fucking spamming.

Do you think adding a few hundred blank lines is the equivalent of being
silent?

You have the social skills of a retarded child.

Tom Sr.

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Jan 22, 2016, 3:28:24 PM1/22/16

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On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 2:41:14 PM UTC-5, Gronk wrote:
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/21/palin-takes-heats-from-veterans-for-using-sons-arrest-ptsd-to-criticize-obama.html
>
>
> Sarah Palin is taking heat from veterans for seeming to point the finger
> at President Obama over mental issues her son may be dealing with
> following his Iraq war service.
>
> Her son Track was arrested earlier this week on domestic violence charges,
> and Palin publicly addressed the case Wednesday during a post-endorsement
> appearance on the campaign trail for Donald Trump. She appeared to link
> his alleged behavior to post-traumatic stress disorder - and used it to
> criticize Obama's veteran policies.
>
> But Paul Rieckhoff, the head of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America
> (IAVA), criticized the former Alaska governor's comments Wednesday night.
>
> He tweeted: "We need more programs and less politics to battle PTSD."
>
> Speaking with NBC News, he also said, ""It's not President Obama's fault
> that Sarah Palin's son has PTSD."
>
> He called PTSD a "very serious problem" and reportedly urged Palin not to
> "politicize" it.
...............

. . .

DoD

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Jan 22, 2016, 3:36:28 PM1/22/16

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"Vandar" <vand...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:n7tfqc$h5j$1...@dont-email.me...

Did you see how he replied to you? He is definitely mentally unstable...

Vandar

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Jan 22, 2016, 3:54:03 PM1/22/16

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His posts do show some form of psychosis.

Salty Stan

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Jan 22, 2016, 6:10:01 PM1/22/16

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Maybe it's just ordinary common variety stupidity.

NoBody

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Jan 23, 2016, 9:28:37 AM1/23/16

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On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 04:32:33 -0800 (PST), "Tom Sr."
<thomas.sw...@gmail.com> wrote:

And boring irrelevant, hate-filled, bigoted Tom is spamming Usenet
again.

NoBody

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Jan 23, 2016, 9:29:14 AM1/23/16

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You're insulting disabled children.

Tom Sr.

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Jan 23, 2016, 10:41:25 AM1/23/16

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Stupid is as NoWussy posts.

So bored.

. . .

NoBody

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Jan 24, 2016, 9:10:05 AM1/24/16

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On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 07:41:20 -0800 (PST), "Tom Sr."
<thomas.sw...@gmail.com> wrote:

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>
>Stupid is as Tom posts.