Bubba sez no to chief Wumpum
Mr. Sam
WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, March 10) -- Two impoverished Oklahoma Indian
tribes donated more than $100,000 to the Democratic Party in 1996 in hopes
of getting the Clinton Administration to return land seized long ago
... But nothing happened,
And, they didn't even get to drink a cup of coffee with the President, or set
up a tee-pee in the Lincoln bedroom! What is the world coming to, these days!
Well, that's actually easy to explain. In order to get the red-carpet
treatment from the White House, you have to be either a drug dealer, a gun
runner, a nuclear arms merchant, a member of an LA street gang, or a convicted
felon. They did not qualify.
and tribal officials say Democratic fund-raisers
are trying to get more money from them. ... Nathan Landow, another
fund-raiser for Gore, told them that if they did not sign a contract with
him to represent them in Washington, and give him royalties on businesses
they put on the land, he would make sure their proposal went nowhere.
There is a very concise word for this. It's called "extortion", or a
"shakedown".
[snip]
The Indian leaders pulled the $107,000 from welfare funds the tribes had set
up to help out with heating or hospital bills.
Well, that settles it. There's your proof that President Clinton is taking
money from the sick and the elderly, in order to fund his tax cutting schemes
for the rich.
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Usenet Truth Detector, and the true voice of American conservatism,
serving humanity with talent on loan from God.
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"Government is not a solution to our | "First of all, keep in mind that most
problem, government IS the problem." | of our problem is with working
-- R. Reagan. | Americans." -- B. Clinton.
_____________________________________|_______________________________________
HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.
Mr. Sam (sam...@usa.net) wrote:
: WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, March 10) -- Two impoverished Oklahoma Indian
"Chief Wumpum?" Set up a tee-pee?
What a racist you are, Sam. Besides being a moron.
--
Buddy K
Laurence Allen Blount
>Mr. Sam (sam...@usa.net) wrote:
>--
>Buddy K
You know…..it pains me to see such a pat response to and effective
article. People are so blinded by their hatred of the truth that they
find any excuse to ridicule it.
"Racist." "Moron." Please, I’m sure you can do better than that.
Try, "Na na na na naa na," or "Oh yeah."
LAB
Bill Anderson
In article <33260711...@news.concentric.net>, sam...@usa.net (Mr.
Sam) wrote:
> WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, March 10) -- Two impoverished Oklahoma Indian
> tribes donated more than $100,000 to the Democratic Party in 1996 in hopes
> of getting the Clinton Administration to return land seized long ago
> ... But nothing happened,
>
> And, they didn't even get to drink a cup of coffee with the President, or set
> up a tee-pee in the Lincoln bedroom!
I thought this joke was tasteless when Limbaugh said it; you're mindless
parroting of it is just as tasteless, Sam. If African-American donors
had been involved, would you lament that they didn't get to eat watermelon
in the White House?
You need to steal your material from a better source, Sam.
Bill
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that you may be wrong." --Oliver Cromwell
Mr. Sam
In <philidor-120...@user-168-121-180-37.dialup.mindspring.com>,
phil...@atl.mindspring.com (Bill Anderson) wrote:
>In article <33260711...@news.concentric.net>, sam...@usa.net (Mr.
>Sam) wrote:
>
>> WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, March 10) -- Two impoverished Oklahoma Indian
>> tribes donated more than $100,000 to the Democratic Party in 1996 in hopes
>> of getting the Clinton Administration to return land seized long ago
>> ... But nothing happened,
>>
>> And, they didn't even get to drink a cup of coffee with the President, or set
>> up a tee-pee in the Lincoln bedroom!
>
>I thought this joke was tasteless when Limbaugh said it; you're mindless
>parroting of it is just as tasteless, Sam. If African-American donors
>had been involved, would you lament that they didn't get to eat watermelon
>in the White House?
Wrong, as usual. You still don't get it. If their skin pigmentation was
politically correct, they would not have had to pay a dime in order to get
what they want from the draft dodger. Your scenario is purely hypothetical,
and can never happen in real life.
>You need to steal your material from a better source, Sam.
Works for me.
Mr. Sam
In <5g6anv$j...@portal.gmu.edu>, hkil...@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK
JR.) wrote:
>Mr. Sam (sam...@usa.net) wrote:
>
>: WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, March 10) -- Two impoverished Oklahoma Indian
>: tribes donated more than $100,000 to the Democratic Party in 1996 in hopes
>: of getting the Clinton Administration to return land seized long ago
>: ... But nothing happened,
>
>: And, they didn't even get to drink a cup of coffee with the President, or set
>: up a tee-pee in the Lincoln bedroom! What is the world coming to, these days!
>
>: Well, that's actually easy to explain. In order to get the red-carpet
>: treatment from the White House, you have to be either a drug dealer, a gun
>: runner, a nuclear arms merchant, a member of an LA street gang, or a convicted
>: felon. They did not qualify.
>
>: and tribal officials say Democratic fund-raisers
>: are trying to get more money from them. ... Nathan Landow, another
>: fund-raiser for Gore, told them that if they did not sign a contract with
>: him to represent them in Washington, and give him royalties on businesses
>: they put on the land, he would make sure their proposal went nowhere.
>
>: There is a very concise word for this. It's called "extortion", or a
>: "shakedown".
>
>: [snip]
>: The Indian leaders pulled the $107,000 from welfare funds the tribes had set
>: up to help out with heating or hospital bills.
>
>: Well, that settles it. There's your proof that President Clinton is taking
>: money from the sick and the elderly, in order to fund his tax cutting schemes
>: for the rich.
>
>: --
>: Mr. Sam: member - talk.politics.misc troll patrol, Doctor Of Dittology,
>: Usenet Truth Detector, and the true voice of American conservatism,
>: serving humanity with talent on loan from God.
>: _____________________________________________________________________________
>: "Government is not a solution to our | "First of all, keep in mind that most
>: problem, government IS the problem." | of our problem is with working
>: -- R. Reagan. | Americans." -- B. Clinton.
>: _____________________________________|_______________________________________
>
>"Chief Wumpum?" Set up a tee-pee?
>
>What a racist you are, Sam. Besides being a moron.
Buddy, you are pathetic. You really must be out of gas. The only thing you
forgot to do was to stick out your tongue and go "nyah! nyah! nyah!"
It's heartwarming to see that you are powerless to dispute the truth, and your
only response is to try to muddy the waters.
Van
hkil...@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) banged out:
>Mr. Sam (sam...@usa.net) wrote:
>: And, they didn't even get to drink a cup of coffee with the President, or set
>: up a tee-pee in the Lincoln bedroom! What is the world coming to, these days!
>"Chief Wumpum?" Set up a tee-pee?
>What a racist you are, Sam. Besides being a moron.
All they have are anecdotes. A story here a story there. When
conservatives don't have facts, which happens quite often, they
poke around in this country of 265 million and find themselves an
isolated anecdote to globalize. And if they can't find an
anecdote that fits their need, why they just reach back pull one
out of their ass, ala Reagan, Army, Gramm, Limbaugh, et al. They
learn their shiftiness from their esteemed leaders. If you just
can't comprehend that politics is not a game - why you must be a
conservative.
Van
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Van wrote:
>
> hkil...@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) banged out:
>
> >Mr. Sam (sam...@usa.net) wrote:
>
> >: And, they didn't even get to drink a cup of coffee with the President, or set
> >: up a tee-pee in the Lincoln bedroom! What is the world coming to, these days!
>
> >"Chief Wumpum?" Set up a tee-pee?
>
> >What a racist you are, Sam. Besides being a moron.
>
> All they have are anecdotes. A story here a story there. When
> conservatives don't have facts, which happens quite often, they
Don't have facts? This is a true story, what the hell are you talking
about??
> poke around in this country of 265 million and find themselves an
> isolated anecdote to globalize. And if they can't find an
Actually, quite a few people are using conservative anecdotes, try
Clinton
("Cut taxes, get people off welfare"
> anecdote that fits their need, why they just reach back pull one
> out of their ass, ala Reagan, Army, Gramm, Limbaugh, et al. They
> learn their shiftiness from their esteemed leaders. If you just
Shiftiness, oh that's rich.
Like "I will not raise taxes on the middle class" -Bill Clinton 1991.
(By the way that's a quote, not an anecdote.)
> can't comprehend that politics is not a game - why you must be a
> conservative.
>
> Van
> --
And if you think the government should wipe your ass daily, give you
money if you are a lazy liberal parasite, or a minority (careful, thats
fact, not racism) , or tax the bejesus out of every American worker then
you are a liberal ,or a liar (same thing ).
Why dont you live in Canada, Socialism is already there .
Michael Zarlenga
A few more zeroes on the end of that check and the Cheyenne Arapho
coulda gotten a Naval Base in Califonia. Maybe even some trade con-
cessions like the Chinese did.
As it is, their $106K was minor league, even if it WAS a large chunk
of their tribal medical emergency fund. They didn't even get a pound
of Washington coffee for their contributions. (But they DID get more
letters asking for more money and a high-paid lobbyist-consultant-
friend of Bubba who tried to bleed them drier).
When will the poor and needy get tired of being used by the Democrats?
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
finger zarl...@conan.ids.net for PGP public key
Willie "Because that's where the money is" Sutton for Congress.
At least with him at the FICA helm you EXPECT to get robbed.
Bill Anderson
In article <33315580...@news.concentric.net>, sam...@usa.net (Mr.
Sam) wrote:
> phil...@atl.mindspring.com (Bill Anderson) wrote:
>
> >In article <33260711...@news.concentric.net>, sam...@usa.net (Mr.
> >Sam) wrote:
> >> And, they didn't even get to drink a cup of coffee with the
President, or >>> set up a tee-pee in the Lincoln bedroom!
> >
> >I thought this joke was tasteless when Limbaugh said it; you're mindless
> >parroting of it is just as tasteless, Sam. If African-American donors
> >had been involved, would you lament that they didn't get to eat watermelon
> >in the White House?
>
> Wrong, as usual. You still don't get it. If their skin pigmentation was
> politically correct, they would not have had to pay a dime in order to get
> what they want from the draft dodger. Your scenario is purely hypothetical,
> and can never happen in real life.
Well, that wasn't what we were talking about, Sam. We were talking about your
tasteless, insulting reference to "teepees" and "Chief Wumpum," and about how
silly stealing all your material from Limbaugh makes you look.
But since you chose to introduce another distortion into the conversation,
let's nail it down: are you actually suggesting that Bill Clinton will
do anything asked of him by a black person?
Paul Havemann
Bill Anderson (phil...@atl.mindspring.com) sez:
: sam...@usa.net (Mr. Sam) wrote:
:
:> WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, March 10) -- Two impoverished Oklahoma Indian
:> tribes donated more than $100,000 to the Democratic Party in 1996 in hopes
:> of getting the Clinton Administration to return land seized long ago
:> ... But nothing happened,
:>
:> President, or set up a tee-pee in the Lincoln bedroom!
:
: I thought this joke was tasteless when Limbaugh said it; you're mindless
: parroting of it is just as tasteless, Sam. If African-American donors
: had been involved, would you lament that they didn't get to eat watermelon
: in the White House?
: You need to steal your material from a better source, Sam.
Second verse, same as the first...
As usual, Sam's wanna-be-Limbaugh take is 'tasteless' at best and
'racist' at worst (and, I'll add, predictably stupidly partisan; if
Bush or Reagan had been in Clinton's shoes, he'd find some way to
defend it).
But the left's responses are also tiresomely predictable. Okay, Bill,
your response is at least on a higher plane than Buddy's (but then, how
hard can that be?). But once again I'm left wondering why it is that
both of you try so hard to avoid the point -- the sleaze factor,
amplified by the shakedown aspect and the DNC's now-routine
falling-over-its-feet eagerness to refund the $107K.
If you like, you may insert the usual responses -- or, in Buddy's case,
the probable lack thereof -- here. But frankly, I'm not sure I have
the energy any more to read them. Maybe it's time to look for that
n.g. where they read Rilke...
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Paul Havemann (pa...@hsh.com)
"Beatrix Potter boiled squirrels"
-- headline in The (London) Sunday Times, 2/16/97
Mr. Sam
In <philidor-130...@user-168-121-180-37.dialup.mindspring.com>,
phil...@atl.mindspring.com (Bill Anderson) wrote:
>In article <33315580...@news.concentric.net>, sam...@usa.net (Mr.
>Sam) wrote:
>
>> phil...@atl.mindspring.com (Bill Anderson) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <33260711...@news.concentric.net>, sam...@usa.net (Mr.
>> >Sam) wrote:
>
>> >> And, they didn't even get to drink a cup of coffee with the
>President, or >>> set up a tee-pee in the Lincoln bedroom!
>> >
>> >I thought this joke was tasteless when Limbaugh said it; you're mindless
>> >parroting of it is just as tasteless, Sam. If African-American donors
>> >had been involved, would you lament that they didn't get to eat watermelon
>> >in the White House?
>>
>> Wrong, as usual. You still don't get it. If their skin pigmentation was
>> politically correct, they would not have had to pay a dime in order to get
>> what they want from the draft dodger. Your scenario is purely hypothetical,
>> and can never happen in real life.
>
>Well, that wasn't what we were talking about, Sam. We were talking about your
>tasteless, insulting reference to "teepees" and "Chief Wumpum," and about how
>silly stealing all your material from Limbaugh makes you look.
Wrong, as usual. What we were talking about is the corruption and sleaze that
is stinking up the Oval Orifice.
>But since you chose to introduce another distortion into the conversation,
>let's nail it down: are you actually suggesting that Bill Clinton will
>do anything asked of him by a black person?
I do not suggest that, I state that as yet another fact that you don't have
the courage to admit.
Bill Anderson
In article <E6zz6...@hshuna.hsh.com>, pa...@hshuna.hsh.com (Paul
Havemann) wrote:
> But the left's responses are also tiresomely predictable. Okay, Bill,
> your response is at least on a higher plane than Buddy's (but then, how
> hard can that be?). But once again I'm left wondering why it is that
> both of you try so hard to avoid the point -- the sleaze factor,
> amplified by the shakedown aspect and the DNC's now-routine
> falling-over-its-feet eagerness to refund the $107K.
Sorry. Having stated that Clinton was getting close to the impeachment
hearing phase, and having compared him to Richard Nixon, I didn't realize
I was still in a position to have to make ritual denunciations.
For the record: I denounce the DNC's shakedown of the Arapaho/Cheyenne
tribe. Also Enver Hoxha and, of course, Pol Pot.
Bill Anderson
In article <33309a5a...@news.concentric.net>, sam...@usa.net (Mr.
Sam) wrote:
I wrote:
> >But since you chose to introduce another distortion into the conversation,
> >let's nail it down: are you actually suggesting that Bill Clinton will
> >do anything asked of him by a black person?
>
> I do not suggest that, I state that as yet another fact that you don't have
> the courage to admit.
Okay, Sam. You're on recording as claiming Bill Clinton will do anything a
black person asks him to do. Now, let's see you explain his signing of the
welfare reform bill, which was opposed by almost every black organization in
the country.
Paul Havemann
Bill Anderson (phil...@atl.mindspring.com) sez:
: pa...@hshuna.hsh.com (Paul Havemann) wrote:
:
: > But the left's responses are also tiresomely predictable. Okay, Bill,
: > your response is at least on a higher plane than Buddy's (but then, how
: > hard can that be?). But once again I'm left wondering why it is that
: > both of you try so hard to avoid the point -- the sleaze factor,
: > amplified by the shakedown aspect and the DNC's now-routine
: > falling-over-its-feet eagerness to refund the $107K.
:
: Sorry. Having stated that Clinton was getting close to the impeachment
: hearing phase, and having compared him to Richard Nixon, I didn't realize
: I was still in a position to have to make ritual denunciations.
Guess that's what I get for missing a couple'a days of Usenet. I
hereby revise and extend my remarks appropriately; never mind.
Speakin' of impeachment, guess you've heard by now that Rep. Barr
(R-GA) has (sigh) called for just that. It's probably too early
to pass sentence, but I'll take the plunge anyway: once again, the
Republicans demonstrate beyond doubt that, given sufficient political
ammunition, they will -- with unerring instinct -- shoot themselves
squarely in the foot.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Paul Havemann (pa...@hsh.com)
"It is wrong to raise money on the promise of guaranteeing
specific kinds of access. That is wrong and we have stopped that."
-- President Bill Clinton, August 4, 1995
"Mistakes were made..."
-- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 1997, finally admitting
that he and the DNC continued to 'raise money on the
promise of guaranteeing specific kinds of access.'
Bill Anderson
In article <E72D6...@hshuna.hsh.com>, pa...@hshuna.hsh.com (Paul
Havemann) wrote:
> Speakin' of impeachment, guess you've heard by now that Rep. Barr
> (R-GA) has (sigh) called for just that. It's probably too early
> to pass sentence, but I'll take the plunge anyway: once again, the
> Republicans demonstrate beyond doubt that, given sufficient political
> ammunition, they will -- with unerring instinct -- shoot themselves
> squarely in the foot.
Well, Bob Barr is an idiot. If Henry Hyde--who is not an idiot--buries his
publicity-seeking request deep in the bureacratic mire, then the Republicans
might just be able to avoid tossing Clinton a great big fucking glow-in-the-
dark wintergreenlifesaver.
It's getting close, though. All Things Considered ran a long, in-depth
special report on DNC fundraising shenanigans the other day. On any
bipartisan, strictly neutral scandalometer, I'd say this thing has
already grown longer legs than Iran-Contra, and is quickly approaching
Watergate proportions. If Barr and similar halfwits don't toss a spanner
in the works, I'd look for a serious call for impeachment within the
year.
Of course, Bill Clinton--ethical questions aside--alternates between
being a total dumbass and the smartest politician on the face of the
Earth. He could very well pull off a major spin-control operation and
leave the GOP with egg on its face. More likely, the Democrats will dig
up enough legitimate dirt on the Republicans that both parties will go
into denial mode and try to bury the whole thing.
Be nice to think otherwise.
Paul Havemann
Bill Anderson (phil...@atl.mindspring.com) sez:
: sam...@usa.net (Mr. Sam) wrote:
:
: I wrote:
:
: > >But since you chose to introduce another distortion into the conversation,
: > >let's nail it down: are you actually suggesting that Bill Clinton will
: > >do anything asked of him by a black person?
: >
: > I do not suggest that, I state that as yet another fact that you don't have
: > the courage to admit.
:
: Okay, Sam. You're on recording as claiming Bill Clinton will do anything a
: black person asks him to do. Now, let's see you explain his signing of the
: welfare reform bill, which was opposed by almost every black organization in
: the country.
C'mon, Bill, 'fess up now: do you have to work hard to get these
slam-dunks, or is it more like shooting fish in a barrel? I mean,
you make it look so *easy.*
Mr. Sam
In <philidor-140...@user-168-121-180-37.dialup.mindspring.com>,
phil...@atl.mindspring.com (Bill Anderson) wrote:
>In article <33309a5a...@news.concentric.net>, sam...@usa.net (Mr.
>Sam) wrote:
>
>I wrote:
>
>> >But since you chose to introduce another distortion into the conversation,
>> >let's nail it down: are you actually suggesting that Bill Clinton will
>> >do anything asked of him by a black person?
>>
>> I do not suggest that, I state that as yet another fact that you don't have
>> the courage to admit.
>
>Okay, Sam. You're on recording as claiming Bill Clinton will do anything a
>black person asks him to do. Now, let's see you explain his signing of the
>welfare reform bill, which was opposed by almost every black organization in
>the country.
Very easy. Jesse Jackson told him to do it.
Bill Anderson
In article <33341034...@news.concentric.net>, sam...@usa.net (Mr.
Sam) wrote:
> phil...@atl.mindspring.com (Bill Anderson) wrote:
> >Okay, Sam. You're on recording as claiming Bill Clinton will do anything a
> >black person asks him to do. Now, let's see you explain his signing of the
> >welfare reform bill, which was opposed by almost every black organization in
> >the country.
>
> Very easy. Jesse Jackson told him to do it.
You have GOT to be a troll.
Bill Anderson
In article <E72DA...@hshuna.hsh.com>, pa...@hshuna.hsh.com (Paul
Havemann) wrote:
> Bill Anderson (phil...@atl.mindspring.com) sez:
> : Okay, Sam. You're on recording as claiming Bill Clinton will do anything a
> : black person asks him to do. Now, let's see you explain his signing of the
> : welfare reform bill, which was opposed by almost every black
organization in
> : the country.
>
> C'mon, Bill, 'fess up now: do you have to work hard to get these
> slam-dunks, or is it more like shooting fish in a barrel? I mean,
> you make it look so *easy.*
It's a target selection thing. If you spend a lot of time shooting at
big, fat juicy targets like Mr. Sam and Odell, you're going to end up
looking like an expert marksman.
Call it a character flaw on my part...
Mr. Sam
In <philidor-140...@user-168-121-180-37.dialup.mindspring.com>,
phil...@atl.mindspring.com (Bill Anderson) wrote:
>In article <33341034...@news.concentric.net>, sam...@usa.net (Mr.
>Sam) wrote:
>
>> phil...@atl.mindspring.com (Bill Anderson) wrote:
>
>> >Okay, Sam. You're on recording as claiming Bill Clinton will do anything a
>> >black person asks him to do. Now, let's see you explain his signing of the
>> >welfare reform bill, which was opposed by almost every black organization in
>> >the country.
>>
>> Very easy. Jesse Jackson told him to do it.
>
>You have GOT to be a troll.
No, just somebody who has the courage to state the truth to a liberal.