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Chucky&Janica

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Sep 11, 2001, 12:02:00 PM9/11/01
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Don't bomb us. We're not to blame.

Roll call, America. Nobody we know was hurt? Dr, Nick? Contro's gf?
Morelin? Oh wait, she's moved from NY...

Anyway, darn it.


C&J
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Go here: http://internettrash.com/users/saint_chucky


Scorpio

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Sep 11, 2001, 12:19:16 PM9/11/01
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Chucky&Janica <janica....@pp.inet.fi> wrote in message
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>
> Don't bomb us. We're not to blame.

Nah, you're safe Chucky. I bit crusty sometimes, but a decent bloke. It's
quite a drag over here though. Be prepared though, this will just be the
tip of the iceberg. I would like to make a pre-emptive apology for what our
country will undoubtedly follow this up with, however justified or not.

I'm going to go get shitfaced now.

-gk-


~Brian~

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Sep 11, 2001, 12:18:49 PM9/11/01
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I was home sick the day the Challenger blew up.

I watched it on tv

That was nothing compared to this after watching that second plane hit.

If there is one good thing about all of this, out of all the differences
I've seen people have on various newsgroups- be it from different cultures
or countries... every group I go to there are discussions and support.

Brian


~Brian~

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Sep 11, 2001, 12:23:04 PM9/11/01
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Wasn't Kolys in NY?

Brian

Uncle Traveling Matt

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Sep 11, 2001, 12:52:21 PM9/11/01
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:19:16 -0500, Scorpio pined to hear the words of my sweet
loving:

Those lists we've been compiling for years, but not doing anything about? Time
to make some new lists, because anyone who was on one of the previous ones will
soon be in residence of a smoking crater.


>I'm going to go get shitfaced now.

Not the kind of time to be alone. Pull together America, do what you can.

Matt

--
Damocles took my seat

Uncle Traveling Matt

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:02:00 GMT, Chucky&Janica pined to hear the words of my
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>

>Don't bomb us. We're not to blame.
>
>Roll call, America. Nobody we know was hurt? Dr, Nick? Contro's gf?
>Morelin? Oh wait, she's moved from NY...

Reasonably unaffected, but scared shitless for a while.

Patriotism growing...
Urge to kill rising....

Che

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Sep 11, 2001, 2:12:02 PM9/11/01
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Free Palestine, brothers!
To quote some revolutionaries of our time:

"The nature of a liberation struggle is dictated by the oppressor" - Nelson
Mandela (the meaning behind this is that the chickens are coming home to
roost for what the Yankees have done).

"Be brave. Be prepared to fight. Advance forward, rank by rank, and the
whole world will belong to it's people" - Mao Tse-Tung (Todo eo poder a la
gente!)

So, in summary, I condemn terrorism as petty bourgesie shit, but I can't
condemn the liberation struggle of an oppressed people! BARRIKAADEILLE
VELJET JA ASEISIIN

-Che

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Uncle Traveling Matt

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:12:02 +0300, Che pined to hear the words of my sweet
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>Free Palestine, brothers!

Piss off, wanker.

>To quote some revolutionaries of our time:
>
>"The nature of a liberation struggle is dictated by the oppressor" - Nelson
>Mandela

But Nelson Mandela was never hostile towards America - just the racist Apartheid
regime of South Africa.

And I don't recall America even threatening to cause harm to anyone who had not
wronged us or other people unjustly.

>(the meaning behind this is that the chickens are coming home to
>roost for what the Yankees have done).

Have I oppressed you? Have the ten thousand dead in the WTC done you harm?

You can blame all the ills of the world on America, and you can wish us to go
away and rejoice in the killing of innocent civilians, or you can attempt to fix
the problems in your own life, and not project the fallacy that someone else is
responsible.


>"Be brave. Be prepared to fight. Advance forward, rank by rank, and the
>whole world will belong to it's people" - Mao Tse-Tung (Todo eo poder a la
>gente!)
>
>So, in summary, I condemn terrorism as petty bourgesie shit, but I can't
>condemn the liberation struggle of an oppressed people!


Your insane ranting and attempts at humor through false madness have not called
for comment before, but now you have picked a fight. Condemning terrorism, then
espousing it as a means to an end is just like what is en vogue for neo-hippie,
non-conformist anarchists-wannabes like yourself.

Go listen to your Rage albums and get another lip ring.

You are the worst of the trolls - the unamusing kind.

Shannon P. Drake

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Sep 11, 2001, 4:04:03 PM9/11/01
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He was upstate, methinks.

Shannon

T. Remington

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Sep 11, 2001, 4:16:37 PM9/11/01
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My statement: "This is the biggest and most vicious terrorist attack in
history."

I'm afraid we're going to war. This is bigger than the Lusitania, this
is bigger than Pearl Harbor, and it's more vicious, and of a larger scale.
This is a direct, widespread attack on this country (the USA). I live in
Boston, where the flights originated. Someone was saying if someone does not
come forward, then the US will consider attacking known terrorists. If they
do come forward, we'll no doubt attack. And I feel the rest of US allies
agree, in light of the fact they may be next, that an extermination of the
perpetrators is compulsory. I, for one, agree..... the desire for
retribution is strong.

T.R.


Mark Whitaker

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Sep 11, 2001, 4:27:24 PM9/11/01
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>From: Uncle Traveling Matt mwie...@netscape.noneofyourbusiness
>
>And I don't recall America even threatening to cause harm to anyone who had
>not
>wronged us or other people unjustly.

How about the bombing of Belgrade (and the Chinese Embassy in particular)?
Or the sanctions against Iraq that are starving millions of people?

Not that I'm trying to defend in any way what happened today. Some terrible
things have happened in Britian over the last thirty years, but nothing that
could ever compare to this.

>Matt


Mark

Uncle Traveling Matt

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>

>>From: Uncle Traveling Matt mwie...@netscape.noneofyourbusiness
>>
>>And I don't recall America even threatening to cause harm to anyone who had
>>not
>>wronged us or other people unjustly.
>
>How about the bombing of Belgrade

I know nothing about that. If it's part of the combined NATO effort in the
region, then I can understand the purpose. Cause and effect - a hundred
civilians killed in error in response to the systematic murder of thousands.


>(and the Chinese Embassy in particular)?

That was a temporary breakdown in military effectiveness, not a deliberate act.
Does not compare.

>Or the sanctions against Iraq that are starving millions of people?

Are we starving millions of people? Or is it because Saddam would rather spend
his budget on military hardware? Food and medical supplies are not part of the
sanction - weapons, and technology that can be used for creating weapons are.

Don't want to get bullied? Don't be a bully.


>Not that I'm trying to defend in any way what happened today. Some terrible
>things have happened in Britian over the last thirty years, but nothing that
>could ever compare to this.

True.

Contro

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Sep 11, 2001, 5:59:00 PM9/11/01
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>
>Don't bomb us. We're not to blame.
>
>Roll call, America. Nobody we know was hurt? Dr, Nick? Contro's gf?
>Morelin? Oh wait, she's moved from NY...
>
>Anyway, darn it.
>

Yes, very very terrible. Didn't they say there was still several planes that
were still unaccounted for? Although that could have just been an early
rumour. I hope that everyone and their friends/family are okay and unharmed.

Lauren is fine thanks, she phoned my house while I was at work, and my Dad
asked her how she was and her family, and they were fine. She lives in Long
Island, but it isn't too far away and her Dad works for the fire brigade so he
may have been working to help. I haven't spoken to her yet though, but it is
wonderful to know she is okay.

---

Tell me what you've seen
Was it a dream?
Was I in it?

Contro

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Sep 11, 2001, 6:00:39 PM9/11/01
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It's sick. the only good thing about it is that it looks like we finally have
an excuse to rid the world of the Taleban, which you really don't have to
apologise for.

Contro

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Sep 11, 2001, 6:01:32 PM9/11/01
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Yay! You are okay!

Contro

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Sep 11, 2001, 6:02:22 PM9/11/01
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>
>Wasn't Kolys in NY?
>
>Brian

That's just what I was thinking. Chucky will know if he was/where he was

Contro

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Sep 11, 2001, 6:02:55 PM9/11/01
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You make it sound like nothing has happened!

Contro

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Sep 11, 2001, 6:07:12 PM9/11/01
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>
>
>On 11 Sep 2001 20:27:24 GMT, Mark Whitaker pined to hear the words of my
>sweet
>loving:
>>
>>
>>>From: Uncle Traveling Matt mwie...@netscape.noneofyourbusiness
>>>
>>>And I don't recall America even threatening to cause harm to anyone who had
>>>not
>>>wronged us or other people unjustly.
>>
>>How about the bombing of Belgrade
>
>I know nothing about that. If it's part of the combined NATO effort in the
>region, then I can understand the purpose. Cause and effect - a hundred
>civilians killed in error in response to the systematic murder of thousands.
>
>
>>(and the Chinese Embassy in particular)?
>
>That was a temporary breakdown in military effectiveness, not a deliberate
>act.
>Does not compare.
>
>>Or the sanctions against Iraq that are starving millions of people?
>
>Are we starving millions of people? Or is it because Saddam would rather
>spend
>his budget on military hardware? Food and medical supplies are not part of
>the
>sanction - weapons, and technology that can be used for creating weapons are.
>
>Don't want to get bullied? Don't be a bully.
>
>

Yes, but two wrongs don't make a right and all that. It's a catch 22 situation
me thinks.

I guess I'll wake up to WW3 tomorrow. That and Bush firing nukes in random
directions

>>Not that I'm trying to defend in any way what happened today. Some terrible
>>things have happened in Britian over the last thirty years, but nothing that
>>could ever compare to this.
>
>True.
>
>

---

Scorpio

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Sep 11, 2001, 6:12:25 PM9/11/01
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Contro <cont...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Unfortunately it appears we're already bombing Afghanistan. Unconfirmed
though. Cooler heads need to prevail, but alas that doesn't seem like it's
going to happen. This is pure, unadulterated shit.

-gk-


Contro

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Sep 11, 2001, 6:09:57 PM9/11/01
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What worries me is the fact that all this has happened while Bush is in charge.
I remember that not so long ago my friend saying how lucky we all were that
something such as the Cuban Missile Crisis didn't happen while Bush was in
office.

My Dad said years and years and years ago (Before I was born) that WW3 would be
caused by some middle eastern country.

Shannon P. Drake

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Sep 11, 2001, 6:38:43 PM9/11/01
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And when we bomb the crap out of whoever did this, he'll be the first one bitching
about how evil and imperialist we are. See, oppressors can't fight back against "the
people".

Incidentally, I find people who always swear to speak for "the people" or "the
workers" have never held a real job in their life, and oppression is when the
coffeehouse is out of mocha.

Shannon

Mark Whitaker

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Sep 11, 2001, 6:41:46 PM9/11/01
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>From: "Scorpio" gkm...@cs.com
>
>Unfortunately it appears we're already bombing Afghanistan. Unconfirmed
>though. Cooler heads need to prevail, but alas that doesn't seem like it's
>going to happen. This is pure, unadulterated shit.

The report I've just heard says the US Government are denying involvement. It
does seem too early to start retaliating - I can't see the US making many
friends if they attacking people at random.

>-gk-


Mark

Contro

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Sep 11, 2001, 7:08:18 PM9/11/01
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if you are not now, it won't be long before you (or should I say we) will be

Dawn Diederich

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Sep 11, 2001, 7:12:11 PM9/11/01
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~Brian~ wrote:

> Wasn't Kolys in NY?

Not in NYC, thank goodness - we were there two weeks ago, but since then
we've been all over the place. We're in Rochester now, which (for those of
you who donšt know this) is quite a distance from NYC. But yes, here I m,
checking in, all seemingly well. Nobody I know seems to have been anywhere
dangerous. I actually just came by to make sure none of y'all were there.

Kolys

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Dawn Diederich

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Sep 11, 2001, 7:15:16 PM9/11/01
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Chucky&Janica wrote:

>
> Don't bomb us. We're not to blame.
>
> Roll call, America. Nobody we know was hurt? Dr, Nick? Contro's gf?
> Morelin? Oh wait, she's moved from NY...

Anybody hear from Angus?

Mark Whitaker

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Sep 11, 2001, 7:17:48 PM9/11/01
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>From: Uncle Traveling Matt mwie...@netscape.noneofyourbusiness
>
>Don't want to get bullied? Don't be a bully.

There's some saying about tasting your own medicine that seems appropriate
here.

A lot of people think that, however much good the Americans are trying to do,
they are still interfering where they do not belong. Innocent people *have*
died because of the actions of the US. Of course this doesn't justify what
happened today, but it is a reason, and that's all that some psychos need.

>Matt


Mark

Contro

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Sep 11, 2001, 7:39:20 PM9/11/01
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>
>
>~Brian~ wrote:
>
>> Wasn't Kolys in NY?
>
>Not in NYC, thank goodness - we were there two weeks ago, but since then
>we've been all over the place. We're in Rochester now, which (for those of
>you who donšt know this) is quite a distance from NYC. But yes, here I m,
>checking in, all seemingly well. Nobody I know seems to have been anywhere
>dangerous. I actually just came by to make sure none of y'all were there.
>
>Kolys
>

awww, I'm glad you are okay! It seems that we all survived. Thank goodness.
I just wish I could say the same for everyone else.

~Brian~

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Sep 11, 2001, 6:18:37 PM9/11/01
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You are all not alone in being afraid or concerned about George W. Bush.

My PR prof today talked about how he spoke to the citizens of the US today.
He said that Bush did okay in saying that something would be done but didn't
even come close in what he should have said. There was no "this is what we
need you to do" or anything about consoling the victim's families.

The first night of the election I had a nightmare similar to what is
happening. It's scary just to think about it.

I will say that I've seen a country come together for the most part.

On campus today there was a huge prayer circle. People were openly weeping
and silently moving into the circle, sitting down and all holding hands.

The Charlotte Red Cross has instead had people fill out info cards so they
can get back to them because there are close to two thousand people waiting
to give blood.

We've heard so many things today and on my way home from school I heard that
the FBI is holding a man here in Charlotte that was "disruptive on a
Northwest Airlines" flight. Maybe some of the plan didn't work.

We've also heard from Rachel's mom about the flight that crashed in PA,
close to where they live.

Apparently a man on one of the planes had locked himself in a bathroom and
called 911. He kept saying over and over again "this is not a joke... this
plane has been hijacked..." etc.

9 hours later and everybody is still stunned

Brian


Uncle Traveling Matt

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>

Even if we wanted to, we couldn't really respond that fast. Maybe.

It's reported to be the usual activity from internal sources of conflict.

Uncle Traveling Matt

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On 11 Sep 2001 22:00:39 GMT, Contro pined to hear the words of my sweet loving:

Contro advocating violence?

*falls over*

Uncle Traveling Matt

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On 11 Sep 2001 22:02:55 GMT, Contro pined to hear the words of my sweet loving:

>
>>
>>
>>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:02:00 GMT, Chucky&Janica pined to hear the words of my
>>sweet loving:
>>>
>>>
>>>Don't bomb us. We're not to blame.
>>>
>>>Roll call, America. Nobody we know was hurt? Dr, Nick? Contro's gf?
>>>Morelin? Oh wait, she's moved from NY...
>>
>>Reasonably unaffected, but scared shitless for a while.
>>
>>Patriotism growing...
>>Urge to kill rising....
>>
>
>You make it sound like nothing has happened!

Not to me personally, but the area will be affected seriously, and the nation
perhaps permanently.

Uncle Traveling Matt

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On 11 Sep 2001 22:07:12 GMT, Contro pined to hear the words of my sweet loving:

>
>Yes, but two wrongs don't make a right and all that. It's a catch 22 situation
>me thinks.
>
>I guess I'll wake up to WW3 tomorrow. That and Bush firing nukes in random
>directions

They will be fired in well considered directions. Maybe not at guilty parties...

Uncle Traveling Matt

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On 11 Sep 2001 22:09:57 GMT, Contro pined to hear the words of my sweet loving:

>What worries me is the fact that all this has happened while Bush is in charge.
> I remember that not so long ago my friend saying how lucky we all were that
>something such as the Cuban Missile Crisis didn't happen while Bush was in
>office.

To be honest, he doesn't have that much power, and likely won't be allowed to
make such a mistake. A quorum of congress has to resolve to support any serious
action the president wants to take. Colin Powell and Cheney will be give
sufficient advice to keep things in check.

If Bush knows anything, it's how to pick advisors. He must at least plan to
listen to them.

>My Dad said years and years and years ago (Before I was born) that WW3 would be
>caused by some middle eastern country.

So he must be right!

Uncle Traveling Matt

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:18:37 GMT, ~Brian~ pined to hear the words of my sweet
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>We've heard so many things today and on my way home from school I heard that
>the FBI is holding a man here in Charlotte that was "disruptive on a
>Northwest Airlines" flight. Maybe some of the plan didn't work.

That sounds about right - it looks like every target may have had a backup
attacker. There were redundant planes, why not others in case the hijacks
themselves didn't work? Perhaps there were a few others who never made it
through airport security?

The terrorists would have never guessed at the success of the WTC attack.

Uncle Traveling Matt

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:15:16 -0400, Dawn Diederich pined to hear the words of my
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>

>Chucky&Janica wrote:
>
>>
>> Don't bomb us. We're not to blame.
>>
>> Roll call, America. Nobody we know was hurt? Dr, Nick? Contro's gf?
>> Morelin? Oh wait, she's moved from NY...
>
>Anybody hear from Angus?
>

Last I knew, he was in the Binghamton/Elmira region. Could be wrong.

Uncle Traveling Matt

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:38:43 GMT, Shannon P. Drake pined to hear the words of my
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>And when we bomb the crap out of whoever did this, he'll be the first one bitching
>about how evil and imperialist we are. See, oppressors can't fight back against "the
>people".
>
>Incidentally, I find people who always swear to speak for "the people" or "the
>workers" have never held a real job in their life, and oppression is when the
>coffeehouse is out of mocha.
>
>Shannon

Well said. Better than I.

cyberwollf

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"~Brian~" <bbra...@carolina.NOSPAM> wrote in message
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> I was home sick the day the Challenger blew up.
>

so was I!

> I watched it on tv

me too

>
> That was nothing compared to this after watching that second plane hit.

..my sis called to ask me if i knew..*just woke up* and flipped on the
tv...and then had to deal with the military base..

>
> If there is one good thing about all of this, out of all the differences
> I've seen people have on various newsgroups- be it from different cultures
> or countries... every group I go to there are discussions and support.
>

No what is real good and also sad at the same time..is that little attitude
we had about "being impenetrable" should wake up a few people. About damn
time...and I really hope that this will bring some people, here, round to
know more about the world than what is in fashion..ect..

Been watching it all day...taping it too. Fucking cried my eyes out when
they did a close up of people hanging alive and dead from the building.

and guess how military mind is? woke my hubby up..let him see the news then
asked him.." does the white house have a full system to see approaching
aircraft?..Do they? I mean if they had to..could the president get out in
time?"
I voted for the other dude too. LOL..stupid flag waving, gung-ho, military
wollf. :-)

Lets hope for survivors.

*waves coffee*
cybes

cyberwollf

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"Contro" <cont...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >

How exactly did Israel loose control over there? *been reading up on brief
descriptions* and forgive my wording...need more coffee.


cyberwollf

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"Scorpio" <gkm...@cs.com> wrote in message
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no it is that northern alliance *something like that* who is claiming that
attack.


cyberwollf

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"Uncle Traveling Matt" <mwie...@netscape.noneofyourbusiness> wrote in
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ah well considering that all the branches of the military were "playing war"
this week and all planes were loaded with nukes....we can respond real
fast..trust me.!

*inside information*


cyberwollf

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"Uncle Traveling Matt" <mwie...@netscape.noneofyourbusiness> wrote in
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and it isn't on my tum?


cyberwollf

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"Shannon P. Drake" <revsh...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> He was upstate, methinks.
>

ya not Manhattan


cyberwollf

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"Uncle Traveling Matt" <mwie...@netscape.noneofyourbusiness> wrote in
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> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:02:00 GMT, Chucky&Janica pined to hear the words of
my
> sweet loving:
> >
> >

> >Don't bomb us. We're not to blame.
> >
> >Roll call, America. Nobody we know was hurt? Dr, Nick? Contro's gf?
> >Morelin? Oh wait, she's moved from NY...
>
> Reasonably unaffected, but scared shitless for a while.
>
> Patriotism growing...
> Urge to kill rising....
>

of all the things I have seen done...including by our military..I have never
cheered at someone's death..not even an "enemy" seeing people on
TV..*Palestine?* can't recall where really..cheering this act..made my mouth
water with blood and a desire to see even those kids in the streets cheering
and the old ladies drop dead from a conventional weapon.. preferably from
my B-52's so my husband can write my name on one like he did in that little
skirmish in the Balkans.

*eats raw meat*


cyberwollf

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"Uncle Traveling Matt" <mwie...@netscape.noneofyourbusiness> wrote in
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I really doubt permanently..if that was the case..the military would still
have all the support of it's citizens from pearl harbor to this day....sadly
till now..it was lacking.


Uncle Traveling Matt

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:31:15 -0500, cyberwollf pined to hear the words of my

shhhh! Don't tell them we do that - they think they are all dummy bombs.

Now you've gone and scared the British again...

cyberwollf

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Sep 11, 2001, 9:41:26 PM9/11/01
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"Mark Whitaker" <markpw...@aol.com> wrote in message
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true..but to have no one interfering in anything would be interesting as
well.. "help us help us.."
"no"

not that I am suggesting anyone calling for help..and really wish we were
not involved so much..

But that is the UN..and Nato stuff also..isn't it?


cyberwollf

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"T. Remington" <tr...@bu.edu> wrote in message
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>
> My statement: "This is the biggest and most vicious terrorist attack
in
> history."
>
> I'm afraid we're going to war. This is bigger than the Lusitania, this
> is bigger than Pearl Harbor, and it's more vicious, and of a larger scale.
> This is a direct, widespread attack on this country (the USA). I live in
> Boston, where the flights originated. Someone was saying if someone does
not
> come forward, then the US will consider attacking known terrorists. If
they
> do come forward, we'll no doubt attack. And I feel the rest of US allies
> agree, in light of the fact they may be next, that an extermination of the
> perpetrators is compulsory. I, for one, agree..... the desire for
> retribution is strong.
>

as I feel compelled along with ya...remember..how the execution of the great
Oklahoma city bomber did not quench the thirst for blood...
many families of the victim felt it wasn't enough.
guess I am only asking for a little cooling of blood here..for all of us
feeling it. Killing or even..hell killing..may not feel like enough.


Contro

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Lauren's father is there as a fire officer, and he was right there when the
third building collapsed. Lots of his friends and fellow fire officers died
when that happened he said to Lauren. He had to run from it himself, luckily
he was far enough away to get away unscathed. And everywhere is littered with
body parts too. One of Laurens friends has lost her parents in it, it all is
very bad.

cyberwollf

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"Uncle Traveling Matt" <mwie...@netscape.noneofyourbusiness> wrote in
message news:GFxn7.4583$%u4.2...@www.newsranger.com...
and look at the intelligence..long range plains..guaranteed to be full of
fuel..cheap bomb.


Contro

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Same difference.

Contro

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>
>
>On 11 Sep 2001 22:09:57 GMT, Contro pined to hear the words of my sweet
>loving:
>
>>What worries me is the fact that all this has happened while Bush is in
>charge.
>> I remember that not so long ago my friend saying how lucky we all were that
>>something such as the Cuban Missile Crisis didn't happen while Bush was in
>>office.
>
>To be honest, he doesn't have that much power, and likely won't be allowed to
>make such a mistake. A quorum of congress has to resolve to support any
>serious
>action the president wants to take. Colin Powell and Cheney will be give
>sufficient advice to keep things in check.
>
>If Bush knows anything, it's how to pick advisors. He must at least plan to
>listen to them.

I don't know much about them, so I'll take your word for it

>
>>My Dad said years and years and years ago (Before I was born) that WW3 would
>be
>>caused by some middle eastern country.
>
>So he must be right!
>
>

LOL!!!!!!!!! of course!

cyberwollf

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"~Brian~" <bbra...@carolina.NOSPAM> wrote in message
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> You are all not alone in being afraid or concerned about George W. Bush.
>
> My PR prof today talked about how he spoke to the citizens of the US
today.
> He said that Bush did okay in saying that something would be done but
didn't
> even come close in what he should have said. There was no "this is what we
> need you to do" or anything about consoling the victim's families.
>
> The first night of the election I had a nightmare similar to what is
> happening. It's scary just to think about it.

aye..i voted for the other dude..but he is in office..he is elected..and for
those reasons alone...I will give him the benifit of the doubt.

>
> I will say that I've seen a country come together for the most part.
>
> On campus today there was a huge prayer circle. People were openly weeping
> and silently moving into the circle, sitting down and all holding hands.
>
> The Charlotte Red Cross has instead had people fill out info cards so they
> can get back to them because there are close to two thousand people
waiting
> to give blood.
>
> We've heard so many things today and on my way home from school I heard
that
> the FBI is holding a man here in Charlotte that was "disruptive on a
> Northwest Airlines" flight. Maybe some of the plan didn't work.
>
> We've also heard from Rachel's mom about the flight that crashed in PA,
> close to where they live.
>
> Apparently a man on one of the planes had locked himself in a bathroom and
> called 911. He kept saying over and over again "this is not a joke...
this
> plane has been hijacked..." etc.
>
> 9 hours later and everybody is still stunned
>

what could they have done with the plane in the air? And I am asking..not
disputing. I mean TV is one thing..but it wasn't Air Force one. The pilot
would of rammed *as well as they could with a big jet* or been shot down...
either way..most of the planes were up.. only thing it really could have
done..was a possible projection of the course and evacuated.


Contro

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the thing is, you do not know what those kids/old people/everyone else have
been told about America and Americans. They are probably convinced that
Americans are a satanic people and all belong in hell. Just like you are
convinced that they are all a disgusting people who enjoy others being killed.

Contro

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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

Contro

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LOL!!!!!!!!!! Matt's my apprentice. I've been teaching him all week how to do
the perfect tickle tum. He still has a lot to learn, but I have been doing it
for 10 years now, he just needs time and experience.

Uncle Traveling Matt

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:35:31 -0500, cyberwollf pined to hear the words of my

sweet loving:
>
>
>"Uncle Traveling Matt" <mwie...@netscape.noneofyourbusiness> wrote in
>message news:tkrn7.3879$%u4.1...@www.newsranger.com...
>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:02:00 GMT, Chucky&Janica pined to hear the words of
>my
>> sweet loving:
>> >
>> >
>> >Don't bomb us. We're not to blame.
>> >
>> >Roll call, America. Nobody we know was hurt? Dr, Nick? Contro's gf?
>> >Morelin? Oh wait, she's moved from NY...
>>
>> Reasonably unaffected, but scared shitless for a while.
>>
>> Patriotism growing...
>> Urge to kill rising....
>>
>
>of all the things I have seen done...including by our military..I have never
>cheered at someone's death..not even an "enemy" seeing people on
>TV..*Palestine?* can't recall where really..cheering this act..made my mouth
>water with blood and a desire to see even those kids in the streets cheering
>and the old ladies drop dead from a conventional weapon.. preferably from
>my B-52's so my husband can write my name on one like he did in that little
>skirmish in the Balkans.

Can he put my name on one too?

Or maybe just one signed "Your friends at afrj. LOL!"

Contro

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>pernews.com>

The Taleban is the name of the "group" that control Afghanistan. They are
Muslim extremists and are harbouring that nutter guy, (Bin Ladin or whatever he
is called - the one that was responsible for the American Embassy bombings 3
years ago). And since they pretty much have something to do with it, or are
basically preventing America from getting their man, they are going to bomb it.
I think they are doing so already in fact.

Contro

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>
>On 11 Sep 2001 22:02:55 GMT, Contro pined to hear the words of my sweet
>loving:
>>
>>>
>>>

>>>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:02:00 GMT, Chucky&Janica pined to hear the words of
>my
>>>sweet loving:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Don't bomb us. We're not to blame.
>>>>
>>>>Roll call, America. Nobody we know was hurt? Dr, Nick? Contro's gf?
>>>>Morelin? Oh wait, she's moved from NY...
>>>
>>>Reasonably unaffected, but scared shitless for a while.
>>>
>>>Patriotism growing...
>>>Urge to kill rising....
>>>
>>
>>You make it sound like nothing has happened!
>
>Not to me personally, but the area will be affected seriously, and the nation
>perhaps permanently.
>
>

under the circumstances, I'll let you off for missing my joke. Just this once
mind.

Uncle Traveling Matt

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On 12 Sep 2001 01:50:53 GMT, Contro pined to hear the words of my sweet loving:

>
>>
>>
>>"Uncle Traveling Matt" <mwie...@netscape.noneofyourbusiness> wrote in
>>message news:tkrn7.3879$%u4.1...@www.newsranger.com...
>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:02:00 GMT, Chucky&Janica pined to hear the words of
>>my
>>> sweet loving:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Don't bomb us. We're not to blame.
>>> >
>>> >Roll call, America. Nobody we know was hurt? Dr, Nick? Contro's gf?
>>> >Morelin? Oh wait, she's moved from NY...
>>>
>>> Reasonably unaffected, but scared shitless for a while.
>>>
>>> Patriotism growing...
>>> Urge to kill rising....
>>>
>>
>>of all the things I have seen done...including by our military..I have never
>>cheered at someone's death..not even an "enemy" seeing people on
>>TV..*Palestine?* can't recall where really..cheering this act..made my mouth
>>water with blood and a desire to see even those kids in the streets cheering
>>and the old ladies drop dead from a conventional weapon.. preferably from
>>my B-52's so my husband can write my name on one like he did in that little
>>skirmish in the Balkans.
>>
>>*eats raw meat*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>the thing is, you do not know what those kids/old people/everyone else have
>been told about America and Americans. They are probably convinced that
>Americans are a satanic people and all belong in hell.

Satanic? No.

But we show great promise. In the course of one day, I've felt a change in
attitude. Everyone wants to help you, and we're full of the somber comraderie of
a shared disaster. Hope it lasts through the mourning. And the morning.


> Just like you are
>convinced that they are all a disgusting people who enjoy others being killed.

But they clearly do. I would never dance in the street or rejoice at the
unprovoked murder of people, even were they my enemy, even were they
baby-eating, LOLLing satanists. They will have a chance to explain themselves to
the god of their choosing, and we're just happy to speed up the process.

Uncle Traveling Matt

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On 12 Sep 2001 01:47:13 GMT, Contro pined to hear the words of my sweet loving:

>
>>
>>
>>On 11 Sep 2001 22:09:57 GMT, Contro pined to hear the words of my sweet
>>loving:
>>
>>>What worries me is the fact that all this has happened while Bush is in
>>charge.
>>> I remember that not so long ago my friend saying how lucky we all were that
>>>something such as the Cuban Missile Crisis didn't happen while Bush was in
>>>office.
>>
>>To be honest, he doesn't have that much power, and likely won't be allowed to
>>make such a mistake. A quorum of congress has to resolve to support any
>>serious
>>action the president wants to take. Colin Powell and Cheney will be give
>>sufficient advice to keep things in check.
>>
>>If Bush knows anything, it's how to pick advisors. He must at least plan to
>>listen to them.
>
>I don't know much about them, so I'll take your word for it

Powell was chair of the joint chiefs - that's the head of all US armed forces.
He and Cheney were involved in the prosecution of the Gulf War.

Uncle Traveling Matt

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On 12 Sep 2001 01:46:16 GMT, Contro pined to hear the words of my sweet loving:

>
>>
>>
>>On 11 Sep 2001 22:07:12 GMT, Contro pined to hear the words of my sweet
>>loving:
>>
>>>
>>>Yes, but two wrongs don't make a right and all that. It's a catch 22
>>situation
>>>me thinks.
>>>
>>>I guess I'll wake up to WW3 tomorrow. That and Bush firing nukes in random
>>>directions
>>
>>They will be fired in well considered directions. Maybe not at guilty
>>parties...
>>
>>
>
>Same difference.

*sideways glance*

*writes Contro's name on a list*

Uncle Traveling Matt

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On 12 Sep 2001 01:43:10 GMT, Contro pined to hear the words of my sweet loving:

>
>Lauren's father is there as a fire officer, and he was right there when the
>third building collapsed. Lots of his friends and fellow fire officers died
>when that happened he said to Lauren. He had to run from it himself, luckily
>he was far enough away to get away unscathed. And everywhere is littered with
>body parts too. One of Laurens friends has lost her parents in it, it all is
>very bad.


Very bad indeed.

Contro

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>www.newsranger.com>

ahh, right. I knew they had a military background, but I didn't know exactly
what.

Uncle Traveling Matt

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:44:27 -0500, cyberwollf pined to hear the words of my
sweet loving:
>
>

Safety, or the illusion of safety, is what we have lost today. It's not the kind
of thing you can get back on a time scale less than generations.

Contro

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I think they do.


>
>But we show great promise. In the course of one day, I've felt a change in
>attitude. Everyone wants to help you, and we're full of the somber comraderie
>of
>a shared disaster. Hope it lasts through the mourning. And the morning.
>

At least something postive can be said about it I guess.

>
>> Just like you are
>>convinced that they are all a disgusting people who enjoy others being
>killed.
>
>But they clearly do. I would never dance in the street or rejoice at the
>unprovoked murder of people, even were they my enemy, even were they
>baby-eating, LOLLing satanists. They will have a chance to explain themselves
>to
>the god of their choosing, and we're just happy to speed up the process.
>
>

Instead of thinking this, you should ask yourself just what they must have been
told to make them react in such a way. People have to have a reason to act in
such a way, they aren't born that way.

Contro

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LOL!!!!!!!! see!

~Brian~

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Giuliani just said that the NY Fire Chief and Deputy Fire Chief died and
there are 100s of cops and fire fighters still trapped or dead.

You know it's a bad sight when the man who prosecuted the mafia is teary
eyed.

Brian


Aaron F. Bourque

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From: Uncle Traveling Matt mwie...@netscape.noneofyourbusiness

>>ah well considering that all the branches of the military were


>>"playing war" this week and all planes were loaded with
>>nukes....we can respond real fast..trust me.!
>
>shhhh! Don't tell them we do that - they think they are all
>dummy bombs.
>
>Now you've gone and scared the British again...

Yeah, they'll probably hide behind the Australians again.

Aaron "The Mad Whitaker' Bourque

--
"If you don't know concentration, which gives you peculiar pleasure, your life
looks like hell."--Hiroyuki Nishigaki
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Damn the tree and all its kind!
Nothing's impossible in the hot soul.

T. Remington

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>Instead of thinking this, you should ask yourself just what they must have
been
>told to make them react in such a way. People have to have a reason to act
in
>such a way, they aren't born that way.


Yes, and it's not the innocents that matter. It is the group that
actually orchestrated this event that should be killed in horrible ways. I
am disgusted by people celebrating in streets about this, but I agree- they
have probably been told some bad and totally false things.... but they are
also the innocents and I don't want to see any innocent child or old woman
or anyone anywhere die. I want to see the people who did this die.

Anyone thought of this: What if the group who planned this were all the
people who hijacked the planes who are now therefore dead? No one to see the
results, not very logical psychologically, but an interesting option all the
same.

T.R.


T. Remington

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>The first night of the election I had a nightmare similar to what is
>happening. It's scary just to think about it.

No kidding. I had a dream two nights ago in which I was suddenly filled
with tremendous grief, and in the dream I was so utterly upset, sobbing,
because "so many people have died". I broke down once, and some time in the
dream passed, and then once again the same thing happened, grief and
sobbing, cause of so much death. I think its strange, 1, that I had the
dream cause a day later something so terrible and grief striking happened,
and, 2, that I had two bouts of grief and sobbing in the dream-- one for
each of the towers. I also saw Jane Swift in my dream, Massachusetts'
Governor, in the same dream. And she made a statement today, where I saw
her. Very weird.

>I will say that I've seen a country come together for the most part.
>
>On campus today there was a huge prayer circle. People were openly weeping
>and silently moving into the circle, sitting down and all holding hands.

Here at Boston University, I was very moved by people's compassion as
well. People I knew ran off to the hospitals to give blood, I was very
impressed and moved. People walking in the street stopped one of my friends
after he gave blood, and asked where he went. They had gone to one hospital
but they were full, so they took my friends advise to try another hospital.
Most of the time, people act stupid and like they dont know anyone else
exists. At times like this, it really feels good to know people do think and
people really do have compassion.

Cheers to all the goodness in this world, I believe it DOES outway the
bad. And the bad can and will go to hell.

T.R.


T. Remington

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>>My Dad said years and years and years ago (Before I was born) that WW3
would be
>>caused by some middle eastern country.

Nostradamus-- the third antichrist would be of middle-eastern origins,
and the greatest power at the time would be ruled by a man the people
thought was a fool.

Someone just read his quatranes and quoted something to this affect
after Bush was elected.

Weird? Coincidence? True? Correctly quoted? I don't know.

T.R.


Ouriana Sedai

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>>> Roll call, America. Nobody we know was hurt? Dr, Nick? Contro's gf?
>>> Morelin? Oh wait, she's moved from NY...

Yeah, I am here. Safe (if there is such a thing anymore) in sunny California.


Julie
--
Fallen Angel
CMM Collective 9 of 6
"Impact is Irrelevant"
--
Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

Ouriana Sedai

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>
>I will say that I've seen a country come together for the most part.
>
>On campus today there was a huge prayer circle. People were openly weeping
>and silently moving into the circle, sitting down and all holding hands.
>
>The Charlotte Red Cross has instead had people fill out info cards so they
>can get back to them because there are close to two thousand people waiting
>to give blood.
>

For once I am proud of Los Angeles. For once the people here have decided to
get off their selfish asses and do something for others. People here were
waiting in line for 8 hours to give blood. The Los Angeles Fire Department has
packed up and took off to New York to help with search and rescue.

Sharon Nee

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:02:00 GMT, "Chucky&Janica"
<janica....@pp.inet.fi> wrote:

>
>Don't bomb us. We're not to blame.
>

>Roll call, America. Nobody we know was hurt? Dr, Nick? Contro's gf?
>Morelin? Oh wait, she's moved from NY...
>

>Anyway, darn it.

I'm in GA, right. THough I'm told my brother and mother may be going
into the city today to give firematical and medical aid. Every fire
dept on LI was asked to send aid, and my mother's a paramedic and
desperately wanted.

Morelin

Shannon P. Drake

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Was I the only one who found it ironic that, no matter how small or obscure the
rebel group, they always have a press spokesman?

Shannon

cyberwollf wrote:

> "Scorpio" <gkm...@cs.com> wrote in message
> news:9nm23p$1st$1...@suaar1aa.prod.compuserve.com...


> >
> > Contro <cont...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20010911180039...@mb-fe.aol.com...
> > > >
> > > >Chucky&Janica <janica....@pp.inet.fi> wrote in message
> > > >news:Yzqn7.244$n41....@read2.inet.fi...
> > > >>

> > > >> Don't bomb us. We're not to blame.
> > > >

> > > >Nah, you're safe Chucky. I bit crusty sometimes, but a decent bloke.
> > It's
> > > >quite a drag over here though. Be prepared though, this will just be
> the
> > > >tip of the iceberg. I would like to make a pre-emptive apology for
> what
> > our
> > > >country will undoubtedly follow this up with, however justified or not.
> > > >
> > > >I'm going to go get shitfaced now.
> > > >
> > >
> > > It's sick. the only good thing about it is that it looks like we
> finally
> > have
> > > an excuse to rid the world of the Taleban, which you really don't have
> to
> > > apologise for.
> > >
> >

> > Unfortunately it appears we're already bombing Afghanistan. Unconfirmed
> > though. Cooler heads need to prevail, but alas that doesn't seem like
> it's
> > going to happen. This is pure, unadulterated shit.
> >
>
> no it is that northern alliance *something like that* who is claiming that
> attack.

Shannon P. Drake

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Nah, not us. Though I'd hate to be any poor bastard standing in our way, cause Bush
basically declared that we now consider anyone harboring terrorists to be
terrorists themselves, and we'd kick the shit out of them, too.

Shannon

Shannon P. Drake

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Considering we're "The Great Satan" throughout most of the Middle East, I think the
Brit's right.

Shannon

Shannon P. Drake

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One of the security specialist-type guys on CNN said this was "low tech, high
concept". He was right, it seems.

Shannon

cyberwollf wrote:

> "Uncle Traveling Matt" <mwie...@netscape.noneofyourbusiness> wrote in

> message news:GFxn7.4583$%u4.2...@www.newsranger.com...
> > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:18:37 GMT, ~Brian~ pined to hear the words of my
> sweet
> > loving:
> > >We've heard so many things today and on my way home from school I heard
> that
> > >the FBI is holding a man here in Charlotte that was "disruptive on a
> > >Northwest Airlines" flight. Maybe some of the plan didn't work.
> >
> > That sounds about right - it looks like every target may have had a backup
> > attacker. There were redundant planes, why not others in case the hijacks
> > themselves didn't work? Perhaps there were a few others who never made it
> > through airport security?
> >
> > The terrorists would have never guessed at the success of the WTC attack.
> >
> >
> and look at the intelligence..long range plains..guaranteed to be full of
> fuel..cheap bomb.

Mark Whitaker

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>From: "cyberwollf" cyber...@ndak.net
>
>true..but to have no one interfering in anything would be interesting as
>well.. "help us help us.."
>"no"

Agreed, and I'm certainly not saying that a country should not aid another.
Striking the right balance must be almost impossible - you're damned if you do
and you're damned if you don't.

>not that I am suggesting anyone calling for help..and really wish we were
>not involved so much..
>
>But that is the UN..and Nato stuff also..isn't it?

This is true, and Britain and many other countries are as much to blame as the
US. But America is the most powerful and influential country in the world -
without them the UN and NATO would be pretty much meaningless.


Mark

Che

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> Piss off, wanker.
>


Post-dramatic stress disorder, I suppose.


> And I don't recall America even threatening to cause harm to anyone who
had not
> wronged us or other people unjustly.


I'm not entirely sure about what you're saying here...are you talking about
NOW or in the course of modern history?

--------------

I see the Pentagon as a viable military target, and thus I wouldn't consider
it an act of terrorism, but rather a strategic move. However, I think that
the attack on the WTC was more of a symbolic gesture then anything with
military objectives, far more condemable in any case, seeing as it's quite a
tourist attraction...You see, I don't really feel anything towards the
Muslim fundamentalists in this case (I'm assuming for now that the
perpretrators of this crime were from the Middle-East) , but I'm also trying
to see why someone would view crashing into the WTC as an option...and i
believe this is the result of oppression perpretrated in part by the US in
the Middle East. If Palestinians are being slaughtered in the Gaza by the
Israelis (zionists) as we speak, I can understand why some renegades would
want to take their anger out on the US, who is giving the Israelis financial
and military backing.

I feel sorrow for the casualties of this incident, my family lives in
Toronto and the first thing I did when i heard about this was call home,
because NY and Toronto aren't too far apart...I also have yet to hear from
my cousins in New York. I realize that this will probably be one of the
largest incidents in our lifetimes.

> Have I oppressed you? Have the ten thousand dead in the WTC done you harm?
>

"innocents are those mega capitalists who work in the World Trade Center and
oppress the whole fucking world? innocents my ass. innocents are bureaucrats
who oppress us domestically and work in the pentagon and aid the slaughter
of millions world wide? yeah right. no one is innocent in the age of
apocaplypse.
even if they didn't do it, guilty by association is a law.
but if innocents did die, I mourn them"
- NewAfrikanPanther


> Your insane ranting and attempts at humor through false madness have not
called
> for comment before, but now you have picked a fight.

How can I reply to this? Hmm...okay, well, I guess that the degree of my
humor is of little or no relevance in this situation. But, I'd like to point
out that you may perhaps have missed the purpose of my post, or perhaps I
expressed it poorly...I don't think that the whole liberation struggle of
the Palestinian people can be condemned for this one incident, but I'm
pretty sure that it will be. It is unfortunate that the people that hijacked
the planes thought that they were doing a good deed, but I suppose that the
paranoia and retaliatory strikes that ensue will prove them wrong.


-Che

"Decolonization is always a violent phenomenon."
-Frantz Fanon


TheKro

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Well, it's not that ironic. Whoever goes and talks to the press is declared
the press spokesman.

Shannon P. Drake <revsh...@earthlink.net> sniffed, yanked his/her braid and muttered:

>Shannon

>cyberwollf wrote:


--
TheKro

And just to annoy the Feds: plutonium, encryption, anthrax, Sarin,
ammonium nitrate, bomb, guns, firearms, munitions, encryption, NSA,
FDA, CIA, BATF, prevents cancer, prescription drug, Delta Force,
militia. President, Prime Minister, cobalt, Allah, jihad, Cuba, oil,
biowarfare, terrorist, black box, black ice, black op, Q clearance,
napalm, MI-6, MI-8, C and D, FBI, field area agent.

TheKro

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Uncle Traveling Matt <mwie...@netscape.noneofyourbusiness> sniffed, yanked his/her braid and muttered:
>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:02:00 GMT, Chucky&Janica pined to hear the words of my
>sweet loving:
>>
>>

>>Don't bomb us. We're not to blame.
>>
>>Roll call, America. Nobody we know was hurt? Dr, Nick? Contro's gf?
>>Morelin? Oh wait, she's moved from NY...

>Reasonably unaffected, but scared shitless for a while.

>Patriotism growing...
>Urge to kill rising....

Well, Matt, you've been one of the most level-headed voices I've heard in this
whole fuckup. Keep your guns locked up so long.

And find ol' CJ before she gets loose, too.

Seriously, this sucks big grey donkey dick, and I'm glad at least all of you
yank bastards on this NG, and your families, all seem to be OK, at least.

TheKro

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Che <refu...@hotmail.com> sniffed, yanked his/her braid and muttered:
>Free Palestine, brothers!
>To quote some revolutionaries of our time:

>"The nature of a liberation struggle is dictated by the oppressor" - Nelson
>Mandela (the meaning behind this is that the chickens are coming home to
>roost for what the Yankees have done).

As someone living in South Africa, let me elucidate the meaning behind this
statement so that you can stop quoting Nelson Mandela out of context. What he
was referring to in this statement is that when one is *FORCIBLY OPPRESSED*,
the only way to retaliate is by force (i.e. the Early and Middle Apartheid
Years). However, once the "oppressor" or authorities, are willing to engage in
negotiations, one can make use of this channel to advocate your cause (i.e.
The end of the Apartheid Era, the release of Nelson Mandela, etc. etc.).

Since the Americans have constantly advocated negotiation in the Middle East
crises, at least until violent action has been taken by certain Middle East
countries, the only way I can see this statement applying to America is if
they are seen as assisting in some liberation struggle themselves.

The Vampire Muffin Man

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>From: "Scorpio" gkm...@cs.com
>Date: 9/11/01 12:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time

>Chucky&Janica <janica....@pp.inet.fi> wrote in message
>news:Yzqn7.244$n41....@read2.inet.fi...
>>

>> Don't bomb us. We're not to blame.
>

>Nah, you're safe Chucky. I bit crusty sometimes, but a decent bloke. It's
>quite a drag over here though. Be prepared though, this will just be the
>tip of the iceberg. I would like to make a pre-emptive apology for what our
>country will undoubtedly follow this up with, however justified or not.
>
>I'm going to go get shitfaced now.

Been there. Going back for seconds after my wife gets home tonight.

The Vampire, "Muffin Man"
--

http://hometown.aol.com/grrroowwll/page1.html
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The Vampire Muffin Man

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>From: cont...@aol.com (Contro)
>Date: 9/11/01 6:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time

>>
>>Chucky&Janica <janica....@pp.inet.fi> wrote in message
>>news:Yzqn7.244$n41....@read2.inet.fi...
>>>
>>> Don't bomb us. We're not to blame.
>>
>>Nah, you're safe Chucky. I bit crusty sometimes, but a decent bloke. It's
>>quite a drag over here though. Be prepared though, this will just be the
>>tip of the iceberg. I would like to make a pre-emptive apology for what our
>>country will undoubtedly follow this up with, however justified or not.
>>
>>I'm going to go get shitfaced now.
>>
>

>It's sick. the only good thing about it is that it looks like we finally
>have
>an excuse to rid the world of the Taleban, which you really don't have to
>apologise for.

Sweet. Contro just gave us permission to make Afghanistan glow in the dark. I
love it.

Che

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The way you wrote *FORCIBLY OPPRESSED* makes me speculate upon what your
meaning is...are you saying Palestinians are not being *FORCIBLY OPPRESSED*?
Or was the quote itself incorrect?`Also, I can understand how some
"unstable" elements feel that the negotiations are going nowhere (especially
now with the increased violence) and that it's necessary to escalate things
by an attack such as this...no matter how misguided or counterproductive.
Basically, I think that the American goverment itself has set the tone for
the liberation struggle with it's backing of the Israeli's and that it's no
surprise that things have been brought to another level. Yet again, this is
still assuming that it has anything to do with elements in the middle-east.

-Che


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The Vampire Muffin Man

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>From: cont...@aol.com (Contro)
>Date: 9/11/01 5:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time

>>Don't bomb us. We're not to blame.
>>

>>Roll call, America. Nobody we know was hurt? Dr, Nick? Contro's gf?
>>Morelin? Oh wait, she's moved from NY...
>>

>>Anyway, darn it.
>>
>
>Yes, very very terrible. Didn't they say there was still several planes that
>were still unaccounted for? Although that could have just been an early
>rumour. I hope that everyone and their friends/family are okay and unharmed.
>
>Lauren is fine thanks, she phoned my house while I was at work, and my Dad
>asked her how she was and her family, and they were fine. She lives in Long
>Island, but it isn't too far away and her Dad works for the fire brigade so
>he
>may have been working to help. I haven't spoken to her yet though, but it is
>wonderful to know she is okay.

Glad to hear it. I was a little worried for you and her and now that I know
that her father was nearby and working, I'm more relieved to know that her
family is alright.

The Vampire Muffin Man

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>From: sn...@optonline.net (Sharon Nee)
>Date: 9/12/01 3:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time

All the emergency personel here in Hoboken were called as well. Many of the
police simply went to help direct traffic at the tunnels and through town to
keep the gawkers moving. I'm sure many fire/rescue workers were sent to help
across the river.

Aaron F. Bourque

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Sep 12, 2001, 12:36:19 PM9/12/01
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>From: "Che" refu...@hotmail.com

>The way you wrote *FORCIBLY OPPRESSED* makes me
>speculate upon what your meaning is...are you saying
>Palestinians are not being *FORCIBLY OPPRESSED*?

Both the Palestinians and Isrealis are being "forcibly
oppresed"--by each other. Neither side in their conflict is
fully correct or wholly wrong. All they need to is *SHUT THE
FUCKING FUCK UP* for a minute and realise that it *is*
possible to live in peace with these people!

Neither side is going to do this as long as maniacs lead the
religions in an area that is traditionally deeply religious.

>Basically, I think that the American goverment itself has set the
>tone for the liberation struggle with it's backing of the Israeli's
>and that it's no surprise that things have been brought to
>another level.

The Americans *have* to support Isreal: it's the only democracy
in the area. But then again, when kooks have decided to
eradicate everyone who lives there who does not worship their
Allah, when those have a claim to that land that is thousands of
years old, I find it remarkable that it is looked upon as wrong to
*defend your homeland*.

Hey Baby

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Sep 12, 2001, 2:10:27 PM9/12/01
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"Che" wrote:

>Yet again, this is
>still assuming that it has anything to do with elements in the middle-east.

True, but a pretty likely aassumption.

One question, as I can't be fucked to see if you appear in the Bestiary, Che...
where are you from?

S:)


"No sense makes sense."
Charles Manson

Hey Baby

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Sep 12, 2001, 2:10:30 PM9/12/01
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Aaron F. Bourque writes:

But then again, when kooks have decided to
>eradicate everyone who lives there who does not worship their
>Allah, when those have a claim to that land that is thousands of
>years old, I find it remarkable that it is looked upon as wrong to
>*defend your homeland*.

Jews and Moslems all worship the same fucking God! And Christans, for that
matter. Just different aspects of 'Him' and a different interpretaion of dogma.
Boths Jews and Arabs claim the same ancestral father, Abraham, and Jesus gets a
cameo appearance in the Koran.

What an almighty, holy fuckup.

Contro

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Sep 12, 2001, 2:26:56 PM9/12/01
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>
> Anyone thought of this: What if the group who planned this were all the
>people who hijacked the planes who are now therefore dead? No one to see the
>results, not very logical psychologically, but an interesting option all the
>same.

yes, could well be the case. It wouldn't surprise me at all

Contro

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LOL!!!!!!! well I've no problems with it.

Contro

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Sep 12, 2001, 2:30:41 PM9/12/01
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>
>Considering we're "The Great Satan" throughout most of the Middle East, I
>think the
>Brit's right.
>
>Shannon
>

awwww, thank you

Contro

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Sep 12, 2001, 2:33:56 PM9/12/01
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>
>
>>From: cont...@aol.com (Contro)
>>Date: 9/11/01 6:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>
>>>
>>>Chucky&Janica <janica....@pp.inet.fi> wrote in message
>>>news:Yzqn7.244$n41....@read2.inet.fi...
>>>>
>>>> Don't bomb us. We're not to blame.
>>>
>>>Nah, you're safe Chucky. I bit crusty sometimes, but a decent bloke. It's
>>>quite a drag over here though. Be prepared though, this will just be the
>>>tip of the iceberg. I would like to make a pre-emptive apology for what
>our
>>>country will undoubtedly follow this up with, however justified or not.
>>>
>>>I'm going to go get shitfaced now.
>>>
>>
>>It's sick. the only good thing about it is that it looks like we finally
>>have
>>an excuse to rid the world of the Taleban, which you really don't have to
>>apologise for.
>
>Sweet. Contro just gave us permission to make Afghanistan glow in the dark.
>I
>love it.
>

LOL!!!!!!!!!! I think it is very fair to say that if those lot could blow up
America and get away with it, they would do so.

Contro

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>.03233.0...@mb-ch.aol.com>

>
>>From: cont...@aol.com (Contro)
>>Date: 9/11/01 5:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>
>>>Don't bomb us. We're not to blame.
>>>
>>>Roll call, America. Nobody we know was hurt? Dr, Nick? Contro's gf?
>>>Morelin? Oh wait, she's moved from NY...
>>>
>>>Anyway, darn it.
>>>
>>
>>Yes, very very terrible. Didn't they say there was still several planes
>that
>>were still unaccounted for? Although that could have just been an early
>>rumour. I hope that everyone and their friends/family are okay and
>unharmed.
>>
>>Lauren is fine thanks, she phoned my house while I was at work, and my Dad
>>asked her how she was and her family, and they were fine. She lives in Long
>>Island, but it isn't too far away and her Dad works for the fire brigade so
>>he
>>may have been working to help. I haven't spoken to her yet though, but it
>is
>>wonderful to know she is okay.
>
>Glad to hear it. I was a little worried for you and her and now that I know
>that her father was nearby and working, I'm more relieved to know that her
>family is alright.
>

aww, thank you, me too. Obviously her Father is still in danger because of all
the buildings which may still collapse, but Lauren and her Family are all okay.

Mark Whitaker

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Sep 12, 2001, 2:37:34 PM9/12/01
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>From: thewhy...@aol.com (Hey Baby)

>
>>Yet again, this is
>>still assuming that it has anything to do with elements in the middle-east.
>
>True, but a pretty likely assumption.

The same one that was made after the Oklahoma bombing...

>S:)


Mark

cyberwollf

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"Uncle Traveling Matt" <mwie...@netscape.noneofyourbusiness> wrote in
message news:O%yn7.4677$%u4.2...@www.newsranger.com...
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:31:15 -0500, cyberwollf pined to hear the words of
my
> sweet loving:
> >
> >

> >"Uncle Traveling Matt" <mwie...@netscape.noneofyourbusiness> wrote in
> >message news:xoxn7.4561$%u4.2...@www.newsranger.com...
> >> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:12:25 -0500, Scorpio pined to hear the words of
my
> >sweet
> >> loving:
> >> >
> >> >

> >> >Contro <cont...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:20010911180039...@mb-fe.aol.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Chucky&Janica <janica....@pp.inet.fi> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:Yzqn7.244$n41....@read2.inet.fi...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Don't bomb us. We're not to blame.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Nah, you're safe Chucky. I bit crusty sometimes, but a decent
bloke.
> >> >It's
> >> >> >quite a drag over here though. Be prepared though, this will just
be
> >the
> >> >> >tip of the iceberg. I would like to make a pre-emptive apology for
> >what
> >> >our
> >> >> >country will undoubtedly follow this up with, however justified or
> >not.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I'm going to go get shitfaced now.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> It's sick. the only good thing about it is that it looks like we
> >finally
> >> >have
> >> >> an excuse to rid the world of the Taleban, which you really don't
have
> >to
> >> >> apologise for.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Unfortunately it appears we're already bombing Afghanistan.
Unconfirmed
> >> >though. Cooler heads need to prevail, but alas that doesn't seem like
> >it's
> >> >going to happen. This is pure, unadulterated shit.
> >>
> >> Even if we wanted to, we couldn't really respond that fast. Maybe.
> >>
> >
> >ah well considering that all the branches of the military were "playing
war"
> >this week and all planes were loaded with nukes....we can respond real
> >fast..trust me.!
>

nukes was an assumption..HEHHE

> shhhh! Don't tell them we do that - they think they are all dummy bombs.
>
> Now you've gone and scared the British again...
>

but truly...it is amazing how fast you can get the military rolling...why
just the other day I was able to talk to someone in the finance office in
less than 1 hr..amazing.


cyberwollf

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"Contro" <cont...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010911215754...@mb-mi.aol.com...
> >pernews.com>

> >
> >
> >"Contro" <cont...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:20010911180039...@mb-fe.aol.com...
> >> >
> >> >Chucky&Janica <janica....@pp.inet.fi> wrote in message
> >> >news:Yzqn7.244$n41....@read2.inet.fi...
> >> >>
> >> >> Don't bomb us. We're not to blame.
> >> >
> >> >Nah, you're safe Chucky. I bit crusty sometimes, but a decent bloke.
> >It's
> >> >quite a drag over here though. Be prepared though, this will just be
the
> >> >tip of the iceberg. I would like to make a pre-emptive apology for
what
> >our
> >> >country will undoubtedly follow this up with, however justified or
not.
> >> >
> >> >I'm going to go get shitfaced now.
> >> >
> >>
> >> It's sick. the only good thing about it is that it looks like we
finally
> >have
> >> an excuse to rid the world of the Taleban, which you really don't have
to
> >> apologise for.
> >>
> >
> >How exactly did Israel loose control over there? *been reading up on
brief
> >descriptions* and forgive my wording...need more coffee.
> >
> >
>
> The Taleban is the name of the "group" that control Afghanistan. They are
> Muslim extremists and are harbouring that nutter guy, (Bin Ladin or
whatever he
> is called - the one that was responsible for the American Embassy bombings
3
> years ago). And since they pretty much have something to do with it, or
are
> basically preventing America from getting their man, they are going to
bomb it.
> I think they are doing so already in fact.
>

which doesn't actually explain how Israel lost control in the first place.
And remember the Talaban is only one of a few versions of the different
Muslim "branches" for want of a better word.

OH well


cyberwollf

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"Contro" <cont...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010911215053...@mb-mi.aol.com...

> >
> >
> >"Uncle Traveling Matt" <mwie...@netscape.noneofyourbusiness> wrote in
> >message news:tkrn7.3879$%u4.1...@www.newsranger.com...
> >> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:02:00 GMT, Chucky&Janica pined to hear the words
of
> >my
> >> sweet loving:
> >> >
> >> >

> >> >Don't bomb us. We're not to blame.
> >> >
> >> >Roll call, America. Nobody we know was hurt? Dr, Nick? Contro's gf?
> >> >Morelin? Oh wait, she's moved from NY...
> >>
> >> Reasonably unaffected, but scared shitless for a while.
> >>
> >> Patriotism growing...
> >> Urge to kill rising....
> >>
> >
> >of all the things I have seen done...including by our military..I have
never
> >cheered at someone's death..not even an "enemy" seeing people on
> >TV..*Palestine?* can't recall where really..cheering this act..made my
mouth
> >water with blood and a desire to see even those kids in the streets
cheering
> >and the old ladies drop dead from a conventional weapon.. preferably
from
> >my B-52's so my husband can write my name on one like he did in that
little
> >skirmish in the Balkans.
> >
> >*eats raw meat*
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> the thing is, you do not know what those kids/old people/everyone else
have
> been told about America and Americans. They are probably convinced that
> Americans are a satanic people and all belong in hell. Just like you are

> convinced that they are all a disgusting people who enjoy others being
killed.
>
> ---

my point was I don't "cheer" over a death. I am "convinced that they are
all a disgusting people who enjoy others being killed"? When did I say
that? As far as them thinking we are all the "big Satan" I can pretty much
figure that as true..considering.


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