How Many Times Has the Dragon Been Reborn?
John F. Cowan
I've finally finished all the books through the Crown of Swords and have
one big question (others to come later). Please let me know if this has
already been discussed and I will happily search the archives,
but if not....
How many times has the Dragon come and done his thing? I
got confused about this while reading the books in the series.
Sometimes it seems that this has happened numerous times (e.g,
when the DO tells him we've been through this a number of times...).
Other times it seems like Rand is the first Dragon since Lews Therin,
making it only be the second time in history for this to have
happened.
Am I confusing something? Is it that Lews Therin was not the
first, but instead just the first to be called the "Dragon"?
I have many questions but some might be answered by the
answers to this question.
Thanks.
John
mus...@lava.net
Dragon, only the incarnation for his age as Rand is for the current age.
Erik Steiro
John F. Cowan wrote:
>
> I've finally finished all the books through the Crown of Swords and have
> one big question (others to come later). Please let me know if this has
> already been discussed and I will happily search the archives,
> but if not....
>
> How many times has the Dragon come and done his thing? I
> got confused about this while reading the books in the series.
> Sometimes it seems that this has happened numerous times (e.g,
> when the DO tells him we've been through this a number of times...).
> Other times it seems like Rand is the first Dragon since Lews Therin,
> making it only be the second time in history for this to have
> happened.
>
> Am I confusing something? Is it that Lews Therin was not the
> first, but instead just the first to be called the "Dragon"?
>
> I have many questions but some might be answered by the
> answers to this question.
>
> Thanks.
>
> John
If you want information on the various theories you should try the
Wot faq. Try Yahoo, since I don't remember the web address.
It was Ishy that told Rand early in the books that this what not
the first time (posing as the DO). LTT and Rand is the same person
(same soul) so LTT/Rand _is_ the Dragon. As for how many we don't have
a clue, as far as I know. LTT position and Rands "position" is not
the same, and the ages should be seen as a cycle, and not individually.
LTT saved the world once, but only temporarily and is now reborn to
finish
him for good (something he can't since the same will happen in the next
cycle of the wheel, maybe resealing him?).
I hope I have managed to write this, so it makes sense.
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Dean William Pledger
> I had taken this to be that Lews Therin was not the first incarnation of
> the Dragon, only the incarnation for his age as Rand is for the current
> age.
If Lews Therin was not the first incarnation of the Dragon, then why
wasn't he called the Dragon Reborn?
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George Yedinak
The only problem with the idea of Rand being onlt the 2nd incarnation
of the dragon, is that Ba'alzemon(?) kept saying that this has been
going on thousands of times.
I think that when someone is born as the Dragon, they are so strongly
Ta'vereen that things just go the way the patern decides it does.
When Lews Therin/Rand is born, but not as the dragon, he is still a
strong channeler, and still fights the DO , but doesn't warp the
pattern enough to Break the world (as the Dragon).
I hope this makes some sense.
George Yedinak
Dylan Herbert
Dean William Pledger (ple...@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU) writes:
>> I had taken this to be that Lews Therin was not the first incarnation of
>> the Dragon, only the incarnation for his age as Rand is for the current
>> age.
>
> If Lews Therin was not the first incarnation of the Dragon, then why
> wasn't he called the Dragon Reborn?
>
Heh. Names are not static things. Names are very changeable, malleable
things. Isn't it just slightly possible that the entity who became the
Dragon might just have existed before a time when he was known as the
Dragon? Guh.
Mayers1
I think yes it has gone on for thousands times but in the smae pattern. This
is how i think it will en. Rand will clear the taint and seal the DO at the
cost of prolly his life and the lives of most of the main characters inclusing
all the can channel. Then the pattern will go on and the DO will break free
but by tht time no one will remember what ahppend b4. there will be Aes Sedai
(male and female) and he will ttaint Saidin again and an Aes Sedai LTT will
seal him back up and he will be named the Dragon. Then it will go back to
rand again...so it is a repeating pattern of events.
Jedi Satai
Mayers 1 said:
> Then the pattern will go on and the DO will break free
> but by tht time no one will remember what ahppend b4. there will be Aes
>Sedai
> (male and female) and he will ttaint Saidin again and an Aes Sedai LTT will
> seal him back up and he will be named the Dragon. Then it will go back to
> rand again...so it is a repeating pattern of events.
>
>
I think the taint on Saidin was a new twist to the repeating pattern, hence the
need for more than one Ta'ver'en ( Mat & Perrin) to make things right again.
And as to the name Dragon, how did Lews Therin come to be known as the Dragon?
Didn't he take the Dragon as his standard during the War of the Shadow? I
don't think the name had any relevance to the fight against the DO, because
before the bore was made, NO ONE in that age knew the DO even existed!
When this Age passes, and the bore is resealed, there will come a time when
people forget the DO and the Wars, and the Dragon Reborn - and people will
prosper- to a point similiar to the peak of the Age of Legends-only to have it
start over again.
And who knows? This time perhaps the Creator's Champion (Lews Therin/Rand)
will have a Raging Badger as his War standard. And then everyone will waiting
in mortal dread for the Badger Reborn.
Jedi Satai of the Green Ajah