The Weak Chosen
JediBen
POWERFUL...only next to the Dark Lord...
Yet, when they come down to do battle with the young and inexperienced
Dragon Reborn...they just seem to be too easy a kill...
Moridin, I hope, can be tougher.
jaso...@hotmail.com
*sigh* I hear ya there..it seems that the portrayals of the Forsaken being
incredibly fearsome enemies have come up short in every novel except for the
first one. One wonders why everyone fears them when everyone who can channel
(whether they've just learned how or not) keeps wiping them out.
Jasonite
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an ego the size of the two mega-sa'angreal put together. Ishy (the one
with the biggest ego) thought that he could turn the Dragon Reborn into
his second-in-command basically. Later on he thought he could beat him
at his own game. And then finally he thought he could kill him in the
skies. See he's got an ego to match his evil...
Besides the good guys HAVE to win right?
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Creepy Ghoul
<sah...@geocities.com> wrote:
>The forsaken are fools (period) THe forsaken are a bunch of people with
>an ego the size of the two mega-sa'angreal put together. Ishy (the one
>with the biggest ego) thought that he could turn the Dragon Reborn into
>his second-in-command basically. Later on he thought he could beat him
>at his own game. And then finally he thought he could kill him in the
>skies. See he's got an ego to match his evil...
>Besides the good guys HAVE to win right?
>
the forsaken are too busy playing power games. they don't see rand as
a threat, therefore they are surprised when he actually does something
by instinct which kills them (apparently something to do with LT)
i think the whole hierarchy thing which keeps the forsaken busy is
their weakness. they probably would seem stronger and more powerful if
they actually quit squabbling among themselves and focussed their
attention more on rand. but, as they are corrupted totally, that's not
likely, is it...?
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C.A. Przybyszewski
: i think the whole hierarchy thing which keeps the forsaken busy is
: their weakness. they probably would seem stronger and more powerful if
: they actually quit squabbling among themselves and focussed their
: attention more on rand. but, as they are corrupted totally, that's not
: likely, is it...?
Enter Moridrin. The Nae'blis.
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Creepy Ghoul
Przybyszewski) wrote:
>Creepy Ghoul (flib...@wobbles.com) wrote:
>: i think the whole hierarchy thing which keeps the forsaken busy is
>: their weakness. they probably would seem stronger and more powerful if
>: they actually quit squabbling among themselves and focussed their
>: attention more on rand. but, as they are corrupted totally, that's not
>: likely, is it...?
>
>
> Enter Moridrin. The Nae'blis.
>
true. and that kind of binding of the chosen will force rand to link
with women in order to meet the combined power of the chosen.
Moridin has potential. i certainly hope he doesn't go down too easy.
but i'm sure he won't.
Shay
till it was too late ?
would you agree for someone to have more power then you ?
Creepy Ghoul wrote in message <3679194...@news.omen.net.au>...
>On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:45:01 +0000, Sahab Yazdani
><sah...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
>>The forsaken are fools (period) THe forsaken are a bunch of people with
>>an ego the size of the two mega-sa'angreal put together. Ishy (the one
>>with the biggest ego) thought that he could turn the Dragon Reborn into
>>his second-in-command basically. Later on he thought he could beat him
>>at his own game. And then finally he thought he could kill him in the
>>skies. See he's got an ego to match his evil...
>>Besides the good guys HAVE to win right?
>>
>
>the forsaken are too busy playing power games. they don't see rand as
>a threat, therefore they are surprised when he actually does something
>by instinct which kills them (apparently something to do with LT)
>
>i think the whole hierarchy thing which keeps the forsaken busy is
>their weakness. they probably would seem stronger and more powerful if
>they actually quit squabbling among themselves and focussed their
>attention more on rand. but, as they are corrupted totally, that's not
>likely, is it...?
>
>
>
>
>
Jeff Walther
> On 17 Dec 1998 14:58:59 GMT, przy...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu (C.A.
> Przybyszewski) wrote:
>> Enter Moridrin. The Nae'blis.
> true. and that kind of binding of the chosen will force rand to link
> with women in order to meet the combined power of the chosen.
> Moridin has potential. i certainly hope he doesn't go down too easy.
> but i'm sure he won't.
Am I crazy to think that Lews Therin might be Moridin? While it seems to
be true that Rand is the Dragon Reborn, it is also true that the two are
not fully integrated. It seems like a normal rebirth wouldn't leave the
voice of the dead guy in your head as a seperate entity. Consider how
Brigitte describes being reborn. There's none of that seperation.
But Rand and Lews are not really one. And the Dark One can give the dead
new life. Perhaps Lews Therin has made a deal and been reborn by the
Shadow, but at the same time Rand is still the Dragon REborn. It was
hinted that if the Dragon ever went over to the Dark One he would be
made Nae'blis.
It would create quite the metaphysical cunundrum. And Lew Therin went
silent at about the same time that Moridin showed up. This would tie
up the question about who helped Rand in Shadar Logoth at the end
of Crown of Swords. Was it Lews Therin manifesting? Was it Moridin?
Yes, it was both.
It would also create more possibilities for the Final Battle leaving
the Dragon dead but Rand alive.
Moridin isn't mad you say? But the Shadow shields its male minions
from the taint. Whether this would work retroactively is open to
question.
There's probably a problem with this theory somewhere, but it's kind of
a fun one. It does raise issues with the whole concept of being someone
else reborn. Is Rand really Lew Therin reborn, if Lews Therin is a
seperate entity whispering in his head? Could that seperate entity
be removed? Would Rand still be the Dragon REborn if that entity wsa
removed?
And BTW, what was the purpose of that pure pool of Saidin in EOTW? Was
it just there to guard the Horn, or was there some import to Rand
getting a taste of pure untainted Saidin, do you think?
Sahab Yazdani
Reborn... they KNOW that he is the strongest channeller in 3000 years.
they also (in their minds, because of their gigantic egos) KNOW that
they can beat him single-handedly. Now if they all joined up and Rand
just sweeped a hand and killed all of them, that would be totally
different...
But still its the same stereotype that evil people have big egos and
are always Power-hungry (pun intended)...
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Creepy Ghoul
>if you were as powerfull as they are would you consider a kid your equall
>till it was too late ?
>would you agree for someone to have more power then you ?
>
arrogance is a weakness because you refuse to believe anyone is as
powerful as they seem, and you tend to believe that others, such as
the sisters, are actually doing the work. you can't believe that
someone who hasn't the skills you have could have the skills you
have... if that makes sense.
i think that was what the forsaken were victims of: arrogance.
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Laurence Bogle
<sah...@geocities.com> wrote:
>The forsaken are fools (period) THe forsaken are a bunch of people with
>an ego the size of the two mega-sa'angreal put together. Ishy (the one
>with the biggest ego) thought that he could turn the Dragon Reborn into
>his second-in-command basically. Later on he thought he could beat him
>at his own game. And then finally he thought he could kill him in the
>skies. See he's got an ego to match his evil...
>Besides the good guys HAVE to win right?
Also the DO has told the Forsaken not to kill Rand, at least for the
time being so they basically can only defend themselves 'cos if they
go against the DO there is no hope for them. This means Rand gets to
choose when and (to a certain extent) where they battle and he can
take them by suprise. Gateway in and BF them while they're asleep
perhaps? Or does evil never sleep? :-)
Kitarak
In article <75bthk$e9m$2...@hiram.io.com>, Jeff Walther <tr...@dillinger.io.com>
writes:
>Am I crazy to think that Lews Therin might be Moridin?
Absolutely.
>While it seems to
>be true that Rand is the Dragon Reborn, it is also true that the two are
>not fully integrated.
Maybe rand is lew therin's soul reborn, and a little bit of the mind came along
with it but wasn't actually reborn in rand...
>It seems like a normal rebirth wouldn't leave the
>voice of the dead guy in your head as a seperate entity. Consider how
>Brigitte describes being reborn. There's none of that seperation.
>
>But Rand and Lews are not really one. And the Dark One can give the dead
>new life. Perhaps Lews Therin has made a deal and been reborn by the
>Shadow, but at the same time Rand is still the Dragon REborn. It was
>hinted that if the Dragon ever went over to the Dark One he would be
>made Nae'blis.
>
>It would create quite the metaphysical cunundrum. And Lew Therin went
>silent at about the same time that Moridin showed up. This would tie
>up the question about who helped Rand in Shadar Logoth at the end
>of Crown of Swords. Was it Lews Therin manifesting? Was it Moridin?
>Yes, it was both.
>
>It would also create more possibilities for the Final Battle leaving
>the Dragon dead but Rand alive.
>
>Moridin isn't mad you say? But the Shadow shields its male minions
>from the taint. Whether this would work retroactively is open to
>question.
Of course it would. Ishamael heals LT of the madness in the prologue of the eye
of the world.
>There's probably a problem with this theory somewhere, but it's kind of
>a fun one. It does raise issues with the whole concept of being someone
>else reborn. Is Rand really Lew Therin reborn, if Lews Therin is a
>seperate entity whispering in his head? Could that seperate entity
>be removed? Would Rand still be the Dragon REborn if that entity wsa
>removed?
>
>And BTW, what was the purpose of that pure pool of Saidin in EOTW? Was
>it just there to guard the Horn, or was there some import to Rand
>getting a taste of pure untainted Saidin, do you think?
He had to use it to toast aginor of course (or was it balthamel?) and ishamael.
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Kitarak
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'A seed.'
'A... seed?'
'An acorn that is unafraid to destroy itself in growing into a tree'
David Zindell, The Broken God
Alec Wilcox
> On 17 Dec 1998 14:58:59 GMT, przy...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu (C.A.
> Przybyszewski) wrote:
>
> >Creepy Ghoul (flib...@wobbles.com) wrote:
> >: i think the whole hierarchy thing which keeps the forsaken busy is
> >: their weakness. they probably would seem stronger and more powerful if
> >: they actually quit squabbling among themselves and focussed their
> >: attention more on rand. but, as they are corrupted totally, that's not
> >: likely, is it...?
> >
> >
> > Enter Moridrin. The Nae'blis.
> >
>
> true. and that kind of binding of the chosen will force rand to link
> with women in order to meet the combined power of the chosen.
>
> Moridin has potential. i certainly hope he doesn't go down too easy.
> but i'm sure he won't.
>
>
> ---
Yeah Moridin has potential but I think we will find he kills himself
within the next two books due to over use of the True Power.
"This mind left intentionally blank"
-Alec Wilcox
jaso...@hotmail.com
the WoT" is complete. Just went through Eye of the World, and I've included
descriptions, details, alignments, etc of every character introduced, as well
as most of the characters even referred to in the book. In addition I've
included every scrap of prophecy, as well as all of Min's seeings in the
companion document. All those interested please e-mail me and I'll attach
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you have Win95 or 98) will be able to read it! Just e-mail me at
jaso...@bentonrea.com. As I go through the rest of the books I'll update it
up through PoD.
Raistlin
> Creepy Ghoul <flib...@wobbles.com> wrote:
> > On 17 Dec 1998 14:58:59 GMT, przy...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu (C.A.
> > Przybyszewski) wrote:
>
> >> Enter Moridrin. The Nae'blis.
>
> > true. and that kind of binding of the chosen will force rand to link
> > with women in order to meet the combined power of the chosen.
>
> > Moridin has potential. i certainly hope he doesn't go down too easy.
> > but i'm sure he won't.
>
> Am I crazy to think that Lews Therin might be Moridin? While it seems to
> be true that Rand is the Dragon Reborn, it is also true that the two are
> not fully integrated. It seems like a normal rebirth wouldn't leave the
> voice of the dead guy in your head as a seperate entity. Consider how
> Brigitte describes being reborn. There's none of that seperation.
>
Nope... I had that impression after the prolog of PoD. He's got Rand's
memories (just as Rand has LTT's), the fact that Rand can's feel LTT when
Mord's near..... it all adds up
>
> But Rand and Lews are not really one. And the Dark One can give the dead
> new life. Perhaps Lews Therin has made a deal and been reborn by the
> Shadow, but at the same time Rand is still the Dragon REborn. It was
> hinted that if the Dragon ever went over to the Dark One he would be
> made Nae'blis.
>
> It would create quite the metaphysical cunundrum. And Lew Therin went
> silent at about the same time that Moridin showed up. This would tie
> up the question about who helped Rand in Shadar Logoth at the end
> of Crown of Swords. Was it Lews Therin manifesting? Was it Moridin?
> Yes, it was both.
>
> It would also create more possibilities for the Final Battle leaving
> the Dragon dead but Rand alive.
>
> Moridin isn't mad you say? But the Shadow shields its male minions
> from the taint. Whether this would work retroactively is open to
> question.
>
Nathan Dunning
wrote:
>Jeff Walther wrote:
>
>> Creepy Ghoul <flib...@wobbles.com> wrote:
>> > On 17 Dec 1998 14:58:59 GMT, przy...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu (C.A.
>> > Przybyszewski) wrote:
>>
>> >> Enter Moridrin. The Nae'blis.
>>
>> > true. and that kind of binding of the chosen will force rand to link
>> > with women in order to meet the combined power of the chosen.
>>
>> > Moridin has potential. i certainly hope he doesn't go down too easy.
>> > but i'm sure he won't.
>>
>> Am I crazy to think that Lews Therin might be Moridin? While it seems to
>> be true that Rand is the Dragon Reborn, it is also true that the two are
>> not fully integrated. It seems like a normal rebirth wouldn't leave the
>> voice of the dead guy in your head as a seperate entity. Consider how
>> Brigitte describes being reborn. There's none of that seperation.
>>
>
>Nope... I had that impression after the prolog of PoD. He's got Rand's
>memories (just as Rand has LTT's), the fact that Rand can's feel LTT when
>Mord's near..... it all adds up
Huh? He has Ishy's memories, because he was Ishy. I mean, he uses
the same colors, the room he was in is a room Ishy used before, and he
has memories from the AOL to now. Who else could it be?
What more do you want, RJ to come around a personally tell you that
Moridin is Ishy reincarnated?
Nathan
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