Ilyena my love! Where are you?! (or) Why not mention her more often?
Sky
Ilyena hasn't been mentioned enough in the books?? She seemed to be a very
important part of Lew's life (most of his vocabulary stems from the word
"Ilyena", actually.....) And Lanfear's rival, that must've been something.
Not that Lanfear was really a threat back in the AoL (or was she?) but she
seemed to be very prestigious and honored in her time (she even received
that coveted third name). What I'm getting at is, maybe Ilyena is more
important than we know.....who knows, she may even be mentioned in the books
to come! (Knowing RJ, who has so far not let even one *minor* character get
away) she might even be reincarnated??
Anyway. Some thoughts?
Sky
Cboysr1
I agree to some extent, but I think that she will be reencarnated in the
same way that Lews Therin as Rand. But I do not think that she will catch Rands
eye as much as Lews Therin (in Rands head).
But since we are along the lines of destined love and/or attraction...
What about Birggette? She said that she had a male counter part and they had
both been part of the Horn of Vlaere's spell of capturing Heros and then
relasing them when they are needed. Well, as we all should know, Birggette was
torn from Tel'aran'rhoid when Moghedian shot her with an arrow (if I remember
right) And after she was saved by being bonded to Elayne, she told them of this
man, and the situation bothered her somewhat. Now, what will happen with this
man. He and Biggette are destined to meet and fall in love. Because of her un
natural release, will this cycle end???
Ashena' Leon
Valdimir Tutuola-Elf,( call me Val)
( Don't ask about the ears, unless you want to dance the spears )
My honor is sacred, I shall uphodl Jeh'i'toh
Want to Dance?
Aspiring Ashaman
Seiliegh
> >to come! (Knowing RJ, who has so far not let even one *minor* character get
> >away) she might even be reincarnated?
>
> both been part of the Horn of Vlaere's spell of capturing Heros and then
> relasing them when they are needed. Well, as we all should know, Birggette was
> torn from Tel'aran'rhoid when Moghedian shot her with an arrow (if I remember
> right) And after she was saved by being bonded to Elayne, she told them of this
> man, and the situation bothered her somewhat. Now, what will happen with this
> man. He and Biggette are destined to meet and fall in love. Because of her un
> natural release, will this cycle end???
>
> Ashena' Leon
I know there was some discussion on whether her re-incarnation was Min, Elayne, or
Avi, but I don't think she's been reincarnated at all!! IMHO, Lews Therin was a
plot device to infuse Rand with enough knowledge to hold his own, because how else
could an untrained boy shepherd be a match for a Forsaken. He's also a great way
to cast doubt on other characters, Eg the Mazrim Taim/Demandred theory.
But in the end, LTT is a dead guy who speaks in Rand's head. There's no need to
reincarnate his lost love, unless RJ's going to kill off two or all of the women
Rand ALREADY loves. I think if LTT sticks around at all, it would make the most
sense that when or if Rand cleanses the taint, the ghost of Ilyena (or some other
spiritual incarnation) will rise up out of the newly cleansed pool of the Power,
forgive LTT, and then free him from his prison in Rand's body. <image of two
ghostly figures holding hands and fading off in the light of the rising sun>
As for Birgitte and Gaidal Cain, well, they were linked to each other, always spun
out around the same time, except this time GC was spun out only a little while
before Birgitte gets ripped out of TAR by Moggy. No matter what, Birgitte was only
killing time until she got spun out again herself. And she's said earlier in TFoH
how time is different between TAR and real life.
Birgitte's first words when she's brought into the wagon by Thom and put to bed are
"Wait for me, Gaidal. Wait. I'm coming..." (Chapter 36, first para, TFoH). Then,
later, she tells Elayne how she and Gaidal have been linked for as long as she
remembers, and that her worst fear about Moggy's ripping her out of TAR is now
Gaidal will search for her, not knowing what he's lost, not knowing what he
searches for, because they're destined to be together, "Two halves of a whole."
But of course, the wheel weaves as the wheel wills, and everything is preordained
in the pattern in one way or another. So who's to say that Birgitte and Gaidal
_won't_ hook up. Granted, from Birgitte's descriptions in all other lifetimes she
and Cain were lovers, and Birgitte fears that Gaidal won't accept her because she
MAY be old enough to be his mother. Maybe time warped enough that the age gap
isn't so large. Besides, Birgitte's a looker in her own right, maybe he won't give
a rat's ass how old she is when he catches a glimpse of her generous attributes.
Seileigh
Matt & Richelle Perreault
Cboysr1 wrote in message <19981015204638...@ng120.aol.com>...
>>Well, I don't really have a theory here, but did it ever occur to y'all
that
>>Ilyena hasn't been mentioned enough in the books?? She seemed to be a
very
>>important part of Lew's life (most of his vocabulary stems from the word
>>"Ilyena", actually.....) And Lanfear's rival, that must've been
something.
>>Not that Lanfear was really a threat back in the AoL (or was she?) but she
>>seemed to be very prestigious and honored in her time (she even received
>>that coveted third name). What I'm getting at is, maybe Ilyena is more
books
>>to come! (Knowing RJ, who has so far not let even one *minor* character
get
>>away) she might even be reincarnated?
>
I was having the same thoughts. actually we were joking about it. Elayne
being Ileyna. To be honsest though I have always thought that the first
time i read the series.
DocMilo5
one who is the greatest comfort to Rand presently.
Milo
Dtk-
of the wheel, that it was not only necessarry for Rand to be extremely
strong TaVeren (or whatever) but the wheel needed two other focal points
from which to control, thus creating Mat and Perrin. (i'm getting to the
point and how it fits in...) I'm also thinking that Mat and Perrin are also
in effect the Dragon Reborn... (i'm reaching out here, but lets just say the
Dragon is an entity in itself (like the DO) but is only able to affect the
pattern by being reborn into individuals... with the DO {presumably} getting
even closer to success it spread {for the first time} it's being among 3
people instead of just one, each providing a crucial role.) Now, with a
split in the weaving caused by the Dragon Ileyna's (assuming they're matched
up in every lifetime) rebirth is also affected and split into 3 seperate
people. This would also explain Mat, Perrin and Rand being taveren similar
to how in affect the DO is taveren by affecting the weave.
just a few thoughts... i doubt that Robert Jordan has anything like this in
mind but i thought it would fit well.
Dtk
Chris
Seiliegh wrote in message <36275CC9...@yahoo.com>...
>But of course, the wheel weaves as the wheel wills, and everything is
preordained
>in the pattern in one way or another. So who's to say that Birgitte and
Gaidal
>_won't_ hook up. Granted, from Birgitte's descriptions in all other
lifetimes she
>and Cain were lovers, and Birgitte fears that Gaidal won't accept her
because she
>MAY be old enough to be his mother. Maybe time warped enough that the age
gap
>isn't so large. Besides, Birgitte's a looker in her own right, maybe he
won't give
>a rat's ass how old she is when he catches a glimpse of her generous
attributes.
>
>Seileigh
I think that if Birgitte and Gaidal are to remain linked, Why shouldn't
they spend at least one lifetime as mother
and child? Birgitte seems to have taken quite a shine to Mat's wee little
responsibility, hasn't she? And Ovler is "the ugliest child" Mat has ever
seen...
I dunno.. it's just me own wee Opinion
Chris
Seiliegh
Chris wrote:
> Seiliegh wrote in message <36275CC9...@yahoo.com>...
>
>
> >isn't so large. Besides, Birgitte's a looker in her own right, maybe he
> won't give
> >a rat's ass how old she is when he catches a glimpse of her generous
> attributes.
> >
> >Seileigh
>
> I think that if Birgitte and Gaidal are to remain linked, Why shouldn't
> they spend at least one lifetime as mother
> and child? Birgitte seems to have taken quite a shine to Mat's wee little
> responsibility, hasn't she? And Ovler is "the ugliest child" Mat has ever
> seen...
>
> I dunno.. it's just me own wee Opinion
>
> Chris
I agree completely. I DO think that Gaidal=Ovler. That whole ugly guy thing
has GOT to be more than a coincedence.
Seiliegh
Bruce Brock
I also have to agree to that one. It makes too much sense and is to timely to
be just a coincedence. Especially the ugliness and the way Birgitte has taken
to him so much.
Bobby
Ja...@concentric.net
wrote:
I actually like this theory but doesnt Birgitte say that she always
hates Gaidal at first sight then learns to love him? Of course that
pattern might be broken since she's old enough to be his mother,
instead of being younger then Gaidel like usual.
Jarad
DaveJJ
this is my hypothisis:
If you remeber in the stories about Birgitte & Gaidal. Gaidal is the toughest
bastard with 2 swords besides being ugly. And there has been several sighting of
a man with 2 swords on his sohoulders. I think he got pulled out when Birgitte
did, they just haven't met up yet.