Preliminary Speed Tests
DaleB
running tonights. I have ran the standard speed tests across the board.
Two Wire, Cnet, and DSL Reports. All totally unreliable except as a bench
mark.
My results???????
There is not a nickles worth of difference in the d/l speeds.
Each site reports nearly identical speeds.
Now, I have enhanced DSL because of the static IP's. The speeds it the same
as the standard DSL package here. Rated 1.5mbs/128k compared to RR which is
rated 2.0mbs/384kbs.
My d/l speeds test out the same. My uploads are where I see the difference.
I get about double the upload speeds on RR. This is to be expected.
With the price changes on basic DSL ......I think for home use RR is still
the best buy.
If you want to run servers then the choice is DSL.
No matter which one you pick you should still keep a dial up account as a
back up.
Let's face facts. Networks have problems. DSL and RR are networks.
Here is one plus on the side of SW Bell DSL locally. They offer you dial up
access with you DSL account.
This is only and unscientific observation, you mileage may vary... blah blah
blah.
In other words.. I just tossed this out for discussion.. which I will watch
:)
Evan Mann
"DaleB" <da...@boarnet.tzo.com> wrote in message
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> I have both Time Warner RoadRunner Kansas City and SW Bell Ehanced dsl
> running tonights. I have ran the standard speed tests across the board.
> Two Wire, Cnet, and DSL Reports. All totally unreliable except as a bench
> mark.
> My results???????
> There is not a nickles worth of difference in the d/l speeds.
> Each site reports nearly identical speeds.
> Now, I have enhanced DSL because of the static IP's. The speeds it the
same
> as the standard DSL package here. Rated 1.5mbs/128k compared to RR which
is
> rated 2.0mbs/384kbs.
ADSL is still entirely dependant on distance from the CO or a DSLAM, so
while you may get equal speeds, someone else may be to far to get even
784K/128K out of DSL. For many people, RR is the only option, and it does
provide excellent speeds.
> My d/l speeds test out the same. My uploads are where I see the
difference.
> I get about double the upload speeds on RR. This is to be expected.
> With the price changes on basic DSL ......I think for home use RR is still
> the best buy.
> If you want to run servers then the choice is DSL.
> No matter which one you pick you should still keep a dial up account as a
> back up.
> Let's face facts. Networks have problems. DSL and RR are networks.
> Here is one plus on the side of SW Bell DSL locally. They offer you dial
up
> access with you DSL account.
The dial-up account offered with many DSL provides is a nice feature. But
you can somewhat counteract it with saying you have to pay that $12-20/mo to
just have a phone line active to even use DSL. So if someone wanted RR, and
didn't really want a land line, then they can apply that $12-20 towards a
dial-up account and it can even out. Granted most people do want a land
line, I see many people opting out of land lines in favor of the amazing
cellular packages that are offered now, because you can get LD included for
free on so many plans, at very affordable prices.
Don Voorhees
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Evan,
You make some good points about DSL and distance. I'm so far out in the
boonies that it isn't even an option. I'm also too far away to get a shot at
the nearest wireless broadband tower. So that left me with RR or
bi-directional satellite. On a cost basis, RR won because it was basically
the same price as my dialup ISP, plus an extra phoneline for multi-linking.
Now, I just keep a free NetZero dialup account alive as a backup.
If the US cellphone companies get a little more competitive, I expect we'll
see a lot more people opting out of landlines, just as it has become very
common in Europe.
Don
spam>@snotmail.com Cablenetguy
The cryptic keypad entries are convenient to send canned, preprogrammed
messages, but difficult to type a long one.
You're lucky to get 9600 baud and the sites are still underdeveloped (WAP).
Landlines will be around for a long, long time Don.
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Cablenetguy
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Evan Mann
"Cablenetguy @snotmail.com>" <Cablenetguy<no spam> wrote in message
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> Have you ever tried to surf on a cell phone? it is very slow and clumsy
yet.
> The cryptic keypad entries are convenient to send canned, preprogrammed
> messages, but difficult to type a long one.
> You're lucky to get 9600 baud and the sites are still underdeveloped
(WAP).
> Landlines will be around for a long, long time Don.
>
> --
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> Cablenetguy
We're not advocating people opt out of land lines in favor of cellular lines
for the internet. We're already assuming someone has high speed (DSL/Cable)
and then opt out of the land line and save the monthly costs/land line
associated LD fees in favor of better monthly plans on cellular. Using the
web on a cell phone is still largely a gimmick.
Mark Cardwell
Did you subscribe to both services just to compare them, or do you intend to
keep both?
Don Voorhees
or a pda is lousy way to surf. What I was saying is that as we get more net
access options like RR, wireless broadband, bi-sat, etc., that don't use
POTS, we have less need for a landline. As the cell phone pricepoints become
more competitive with landline, as they are in Europe, more people will opt
for cell only as their primary voice carrier.
Don
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Cablenetguy
for my home phone.
I lived in Europe for nearly 4 years and not too many people had cell phones
in 1994 when I left.
Has it changed that much?
Landlines in Germany are run by the Bundespost or the post office and they
charge you BY THE MINUTE for all local and long distant calls.
The post office is run by the Government and so are the phone systems.
It is very, very expensive to talk on a landline for an extended period of
time there.
It would cost me approximately $6 to call the states and have an ANSWERING
MACHINE pick up the phone!
I was glad to get away from that.
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Ryan Faricy
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Systems Administrator http://www.faricy.net
"Cablenetguy @snotmail.com>" <Cablenetguy<no spam> wrote in message
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Don Voorhees
why cell phones are often the cheaper choice. As the prices in the US become
more competitive. I think you'll see more of it happening here also. It's
already cheaper for people that make a lot of long distance calls to opt for
cell only.
Don
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DaleB
I will be keeping my DSL.
I operate two servers here and RR doesn't offer that at this time.
"Mark Cardwell" <card...@atl.mediaone.net> wrote in message
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> DaleB wrote:
>
> > I have both Time Warner RoadRunner Kansas City and SW Bell Ehanced dsl
> > running tonights. I have ran the standard speed tests across the board.
Alpha
wrote:
>The high price of landline service in most of Europe is exactly the reason
>why cell phones are often the cheaper choice. As the prices in the US become
>more competitive. I think you'll see more of it happening here also. It's
>already cheaper for people that make a lot of long distance calls to opt for
>cell only.
>
>Don
I know a couple of people here in the Albany, N.Y. area that have
dropped conventional phone service altogether in favor of cell. They
say it's cheaper for them to do so. Maybe the day cell WILL replace
land lines is closer than we might think.
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Larry Gamache
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Don Voorhees
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We're practically neighbors (Gloversville area), Larry, and you're right, I
also know of a number of people around the country that have dropped
landlines in favor of cell only service. I still think it's fair to say that
landlines will be around for a long time, but cells will continue to make
inroads in the personal communications market. The number of fixed location
users, primarily businesses, government offices, etc., that have little or
nothing to gain from being "un-wired", will insure that landline services
continue until there is a financial incentive to change.
My personal crystal ball says that a likely future scenario will see an
expansion of wireless bulk service, via satellite, broad spectrum
transmission, etc., to regional telco switching centers. The next logical
step would be wireless delivery to smaller switches in the sub-regional
structure, and eventually, the complete replacement of landlines with single
and multi-line transceivers at the end users fixed location. Something like
that will happen eventually, but given the existing infrastructure and the
implementation costs, it will be a fairly long process. There would also
have to be some pretty dramatic breakthoughs in wireless technology, just to
be able to handle the traffic volume.
Don
Cablenetguy
A lot of it has been allocated, mostly, and what is left is noisy.
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Cablenetguy
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Don Voorhees
some dramatic breakthroughs in the technology.......higher compression,
advanced laser technology, what ever, it will take a lot of it to handle the
load now carried by landlines.
I don't doubt that we will eventually move to an all wireless technology,
both for communication and power generation, but there will have to be some
serious new technology to accomplish it.
Don
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DaleB
You will need a commercial account. Commercial accounts are now at $79.95.
Static IP's are also available at an additional cost.
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