PING: a moderated newsgroup?
Big Ed
with it.
On 26 Nov 1998 19:10:39 -0000, Cody Knight <ckn...@nym.alias.net>
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>Hi: I have read up on and understand how to configure a new USENET newsgroup. I am considering proposing a moderated version of alt.fan.prettyboy. The primary objective is to eliminate the flamers and spammers. One of the things I need is numerical data, showing a interest in this...given that... please post your comments and thoughts about a moderated alt.fan.prettyboy. Thanks, CDK
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ckn...@nym.alias.net says...
> Hi: I have read up on and understand how to configure a new USENET newsgroup. I am considering proposing a moderated version of alt.fan.prettyboy. The primary objective is to eliminate the flamers and spammers. One of the things I need is numerical data, showing a interest in this...given that... please post your comments and thoughts about a moderated alt.fan.prettyboy. Thanks, CDK
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Please do not take this as a flame, it's only what I know you
will get as a response from alt.config if you propose such a
group to them. alt.config, if you have done your homework, is
where the decision is made, by the servers, to accept or reject a
new newsgroup and help people set a new one up properly, within
the alt hierarchy that is.
OK, first, and foremost, this suggestion WILL be rejected because
you are asking for binaries in a non binary newsgroup. Now, if
you want to "claim" the reason you wish to do this is to
"eliminate" the binaries, then they will be ALL for that,
headlong. If you consider a boy moderated group in the binaries
hierarchy then they will point you to
alt.binaries.pictures.boys.retromod, an existing group that
already does what you want, being moderated, so they will reject
a request for "another" one, since that is duplication. You
"could" get around that by claiming you want to allow "legal"
nudes, whereas the present moderated one does not allow any nudes
at all.
If you base it on this, allowing legal nudes, trying to filter
out KP and inappropriate images that get posted in non moderated
groups that have nudes in it, and give it a name in the proper
hierarchy, like alt.binaries.pictures.boys.nude.moderated, then
they probably would go for that. Of course they may also just
kick you out the door you came in for even suggesting such a
group, remember that at this time the society around us is
greatly against us, and servers are now in mortal fear of their
systems being confiscated and them being shut down due to recent
search and seizures of servers that had groups with pedophilia
materials.
Also, I would HIGHLY recommend you go for RETROmoderation, NOT
moderation. This gives you a legal means of defense. If you
moderate then ALL images that are to be posted would have to be
sent to the moderators, many of which could be illegal, and
though they never get posted they still would get that person put
in jail for having gotten them on his computer, and if he posts
them to the group then he is in deep deep shit, and the
moderators would not last very long indeed, leaving you with a
newsgroup that has no moderators, basically killing the
newsgroup, since no posts can be made that are not passed along
by the moderators. With all the attacks these days against us,
and all the "personal" standards put on images as to them being
legal or not, and all the varying standards even from state to
state, no one could reasonably handle having to decide which nude
is legal and which is not, and so be putting him in a seriously
bad spot and very vulnerable to the law officers in EVERY state
that want a promotion or just want to shut the group down and get
at pedophiles in general.
By going RETROmoderated, anyone can post to the group, it does
not have to go through a moderator to get posted, this is more
immediate, like most newsgroups are, (regular moderation would
put a delay on all posts for the moderator to view first, then
post, then time for it to disseminate back to your and other
servers, let alone the time it takes to get to this server and
for him to get to it), and it also does not put legal
responsibility on the moderator of the images that DO get posted,
but he still can cancel posts as he pleases. Of course it would
not be wise for the moderator in that case to talk of what the
image was, since that would be basically a confession that he
downloaded it. All he has to do is cancel it, if he really wants
to post why, he could make it a blanket statement that it was
inappropriate for the newsgroup, as per the FAQ.
I happen to think a newsgroup for boy pics that allows nudes,
legal and tasteful, but IS moderated in some way, even if just
retromoderated, would be a good idea, and you definitely have the
numbers to prove it, as per alt.config rules. Your main concern
after that is if they would give it to you, being a pedophile
group and all, and because of recent legal attacks on servers
about those issues. You can lookup the charter to
alt.binaries.pictures.boys.retromod for a well written charter,
to get an idea of a good way to word it so that the servers will
be more agreeable to accepting it, even in the light of it being
a boy picture newsgroup, the same goes for the FAQ, which is part
of the charter and just as important, in how you word that.
Keep your arguements to both numbers, real numbers, of which you
have PLENTY to prove by just quoting regular posts here daily,
and ALSO to the reasons you NEED it moderated, which is also easy
and they would fully agree with, to keep out illegal images, they
don't want them either. Now "what" the moderators do "after" the
group is accepted is a different issue, that is TOTALLY up to the
moderators, so concentrate on making the group acceptable to the
servers when you submit the proposal for discussion. It WILL
have to be in the alt.binaries.pictures.boys hierarchy, they will
not accept any other one, because of the content, and since you
want "legal" nudes, make it
alt.binaries.pictures.boys.nude.retromod that is a name they
will most likely approve of, IF they would approve any that is.
Keep in mind though that the moderators will have to put up with
a LOT of heat once the group is active, some legal as well, but
keeping it RETROmoderated removes some of that legal heat. Also
keep in mind that today many servers are NOT accepting cancels of
posts, even by moderators, because many out there are faking
cancels, so retromoderation is NOT as effective as it used to be,
but it IS better than nothing, and many servers still accept
cancels.
Now if your ONLY argument is to rid the newsgroup of spammers and
flamers, then you will lose, since you are basically asking for a
newsgroup that will be containing a lot of KP by it's nature.
Arguing that you are "also" doing it to rid the group of KP, but
allowing legal tasteful nudes would at least get you more
consideration. You could not mention that at all, and see what
happens, but the servers know full well what this newsgroup has,
so they may bring that up on their own as an issue, and they most
certainly will be bringing up the rather large percentage of
binaries posted here, and NOT want that in a non binary
newsgroup. In most cases they like it when you are asking to
move a newsgroup topic to the binary hierarchy, if many posts are
presently binaries in a non binary newsgroup, they want that type
of move themselves, so arguing this will also bring you more
attention to getting what you want. But if you just keep it to
boy pics then you lost already, since there is already a
moderated boy picture newsgroup, it just does not allow nudes, so
that would then be your only defense for "another" moderated one,
to allow legal and tasteful nudes "as well", while filtering out
the rest that tends to come with it, the illegal and harmful
stuff.
It's a long battle to get such a group activated, especially a
boy picture posting group in today's society. But if you stick
with it and do it right then you stand a good chance of getting
it. Of course you "could" also just send out the control
message, from a server that allows it, and HOPE it gets picked
up, like alt.fan.prettyboy was done, this newsgroup has NO
charter and was NEVER discussed in alt.config, making it an
illegal newsgroup, as Usenet is concerned, not law legal but
protocol legalities, like an illegal operation error you get on
your computer, it goes against the protocols set forth. Some
servers will pick it up, but many will not if it was not done by
the protocols, and accepted in alt.config. A couple years ago
you could much easily get away with that then you can today,
servers are less willing to pick up illegally made newsgroups
these days, but allow the older ones because they have been
around a while and are in regular use and on most servers
already.
Personally I like the idea of a newsgroup for boy pics that
"also" allows legal and tasteful nudes but filters out KP and
inappropriate boy pics (clothed or not), but I wonder if that is
your real purpose. It looks to me that your purpose is to allow
KP and yet only filter out spam and flames. In that case you
won't get much sympathy from alt.config, and your request will
fall on deaf ears or get flamed itself by them, there are lots of
flames in alt.config from outlandish newsgroup requests, this
would fall into that category for them if that is what you really
are asking for. As for me, I am leaving myself, so it will not
matter much to me, I feel those posts will continue regardless
anyway, new newsgroup or not, you just want to continue it
without having people like Beaux and Manapanch to be reminding
you just how wrong it is that posting that stuff is, in no
uncertain terms.
Good luck, the numbers and justifications are clearly there, but
the way society is attacking such newsgroups as this one will
make it an uphill battle anyway. At least it would be better to
try and find out for sure, you have nothing to lose but some time
and effort, and you have a lot to gain if you succeed, cleaning
up the mess in here, and taking out the trash.
Tom
GaryPeter (NP-b1)
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On 26 Nov 1998 19:10:39 -0000, Cody Knight <ckn...@nym.alias.net>
wrote:
>Hi: I have read up on and understand how to configure a new USENET newsgroup. I am considering proposing a moderated version of alt.fan.prettyboy. The primary objective is to eliminate the flamers and spammers. One of the things I need is numerical data, showing a interest in this...given that... please post your comments and thoughts about a moderated alt.fan.prettyboy. Thanks, CDK
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Sebupon
, who did this work and tried ? what happened ? and see what happened after
that ! nice to see u CODY!
the defender
Set up your own group where you can be in total control. You tried it
with AFP and failed but maybe you can find people that want to join your
little cult and follow you and your rules.
That's what this has been all about from the start and you attacked me
because I wouldn't suck up. Go ahead with your business little man. You
destroyed this group, you alone.
Cody Knight wrote:
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> On Thu, 26 Nov 1998 17:29:41 -0800 seb...@webtv.net (Sebupon) wrote:
> >CODY,CODY,CODY ! , hi long time no see , remember way back , what happened ?
> >, who did this work and tried ? what happened ? and see what happened after
> >that ! nice to see u CODY!
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> Hey sebupon: Yeah I know..I am just sick and tired of people being attacked in this newsgroup and want it changed...there has to be a way to do that...the attacks have almost destroyed a bro of mine..and I am not gonna sit back and watch it continue...there has to be a way to have a place for people like my bro. BTW...don't let the wicked witch bother you...you know what happens to wicked withches right NP? houses fall on them when they least expect it...see you later gator :) CDK
ISpoilBoys
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>Hi: I have read up on and understand how to configure a new USENET newsgroup. I am considering proposing a moderated version of alt.fan.prettyboy. The primary objective is to eliminate the flamers and spammers. One of the things I need is numerical data, showing a interest in this...given that... please post your comments and thoughts about a moderated alt.fan.prettyboy. Thanks, CDK
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What? And deprive us of all the beautiful entertainment from the
constant bitching, moaning, pissing and counter-pissing? Or so that
you can see that all voices of discontent are properly squelched? But
I guess what I really want to know is how you plan on justifying a
moderated version of this group when the principle output of the group
is illegal in most countries! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
You people never seem to get it, do you? Flames and Spams are a part
of the Usenet -- you pretty much can't have one without the other. But
the point you always seem to miss is that the flamers can't burn
anything when they don't have a target; instead, you paint bullseye's
on your posts and wait to add more fuel to their flames with your
incessant arguments.
Wake up, kiddies! There is plenty of room in this world for differing
opinions, there is plenty of room in this ng for differing opinions!
If someone offends thee, kill-file them or just ignore them. If
someone attacks you, likewise! Petty bickering never did anything but
warm the heart of a flamer or troll.
But let's make sure we all understand one thing: not a single one of
us has any control over what another posts here. You can't stop
flamers from posting -- though there are reasonable protections
against those who go over the line. You can't stop people from
disagreeing with you very loudly and vociferously. You can't stop
people from posting binaries that you don't like. (If I had my way,
people would only post things I don't already have!) You can't stop
any of it. But you don't have to make the situation any worse than it
already is.
You know, the fort analogy really describes you folks well sometimes.
Why is that you have sit up in your fort and hurl down taunts upon the
heads of those you have decided to excluded from all your reindeer
games? And when are you going to realize that someday, if you're not
very, very careful, that person on the outside may well be you? What
happens if you're declared a traitor? With the way I've seen loyalties
in this group go, you don't have to be convicted, the accusation is
enough to condemn you to exile from the fort.
SO think about it, kiddies -- you can go on the way you have been
until there is only one person left inside the fort with everyone else
having been deemed traitor and turned to exile. Or you can say, "fuck
the idiots!" (of which you may well consider me one -- I don't
particularly care; it's not like an opinion of anyone here is going to
keep me up sleepless!) and get on with the business of afp. Which
should be to have fun -- for everyone!
ISpoilBoys
ISpoi...@yahooSPAM.com
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Tom
ckn...@nym.alias.net says...
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> Hi Tom; Thanks for your post. I got a lot out of your comments. Some useful stuff in your comments about alt.config...you are a little misinformed about the role of alt.config and Justification requirements...but nevertheless your comments are useful. You do not however have a clue about my intentions and or reasons...so please keep that speculation to yourself :)...I have not made any kind of commitment as of
yet to do this..I am just kinda testing the waters...so to speak. Thanks, CDK
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Sure, I understand completely. I could tell you were just
testing the waters, that is why I was very general in my
comments, since you also did not get into specifics yourself,
because you were testing to see what people thought. So, as you
asked, I will keep out of it. I only gave suggestions based on
your general post about it all, I didn't know my suggestions
would be so unwelcome when in fact you were asking for input from
the group in general.
On the subject of alt.config, been there, done it, so I am not
just talking out my ass on this. I have also tried to start a
new newsgroup (no, not a boy one, but it had to do with
binaries), and talked to a lot of them on the side, by e-mail, as
well as posted on alt.config about what I was hoping to do. My
education about it came directly from those there. Now, if it
has changed since I was last on it, well that happens, but my
info was based on what I know from personal experience, not just
what I heard or read somewhere. Justification for a new
newsgroup IS already here, from the amount of binaries in it,
when it is not a binary newsgroup. But if you mean justification
for a call to vote, or to speak "for" the group, yes, then you
need enough people from the group asking for that.
Like I said, good luck;
Tom
Sebupon
CAN I STILL GO TO THE CARNIVAL ? i will need adult escort , is RICKY
SCHROADER HERE ?
JustaWitness
The Lookout AFP c1 wrote:
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> Cody Knight <ckn...@nym.alias.net> wrote:
> >Hi: I have read up on and understand how to configure a new USENET
> >newsgroup. I am considering proposing a moderated version of
> >alt.fan.prettyboy. The primary objective is to eliminate the flamers
> >and spammers. One of the things I need is numerical data, showing a
> >interest in this...given that... please post your comments and thoughts
> >about a moderated alt.fan.prettyboy.
> >Thanks, CDK
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> I have no problem with a moderated afp as long as the moderator
> understands that moderation should not be used to censor unpopular
> viewpoints or those that the moderator simply disagrees with. In my
> opinion, moderation can border on censorship and it is best to have a
> very clear charter and moderation policy for the newsgroup so that the
> posters will know exactly which topics and actions are not apppropriate.
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> It should also be understood that every difference of opinion is not
> a flame.