Re: [AFP] An open letter to The Fort : Boys without fathers

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Nov 17, 2004, 11:37:23 AM11/17/04
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I have read this massive tome with interest, and it is with great
delight I see the MOST IMPORTANT 9 WORDS quoted. ""we, as boylovers,
have the responsibility to protect boys"" Dude my old friend, it is a
pleasure to read this and for me, I found it very touching, sad, but
with hope for unfortunate boys as long as GENUINE BOYLOVERS, exist.
As an ex-scoutleader with many nationalities throughout the world, I
came to the conclusion that out of every troop I led, there were at
least two who thought more of me as a trustworty leader than they did
of their own parents,, someone to turn to with confidence when in
need. Yes, they had to go home, and sometimes to a home life I
personally would not give a dog, and I totally loathe dogs and cats. I
used to get the impression that the highlight of their week was to put
on their uniform, come down to the scout hut and actually be with
someone they knew really cared. On camp, with freedom from home life,
they were probably the most wonderful boys I ever had. It strikes me,
and I speak from experience, that A GENUINE BOYLOVER, makes a far
better parent than so many so-called Mums and Dads. So many
""parents"" are quick enough to get their animal lusts satisfied, with
little or no thought from the consequences of their lust. It doesnt
matter whether you are a scout leader, you deliver pizzas, clean out
the local school toilets, there is always someone needing you. Any
genuine BL has a responsibility to protect. Maybe it doesnt always go
down well with people who get the wrong idea, but what the hell, save
one child from harm and your life has been worth living. PM. NP.f35.


On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:49:29 GMT, Dude With the Hair
<dudewiththe(remove)ha...@hushmail.com> wrote:

>I saw another one last night. When I made eye contact with him and
>gave him the smile I save only for boys his face lit up. He smiled
>back at me, and believe me, THAT is the best thing a boy could EVER
>give you; and for the rest of our visit he rarely took his eyes off of
>me. His body language said, 'Oh, please pay attention to me, and give
>me that smile again that tells me that you know I'm alive.'
>
>As you know, I deliver pizzas for a couple of nights a week. It really
>has reached the point where I continue to work where I do for the
>exposure to boys. Last night's experience was the latest of many
>examples of being able to spot a fatherless boy, There are far too
>many of them.
>
>I was inside the store for a slow spell last night and the young man,
>Charlie (another one), came in with his Mom to order carryout. My boss
>was busy doing inventory, so I was the only one inside. After the
>original smile, Charlie who was probably between twelve and fourteen
>judging from the peachfuzz sprouting on his upper lip and the fact
>that his voice was in that funny 'between' stage of changing, Charlie
>rarely took his eyes off me. It was fun to look up and catch him
>watching me and flash him another smile. The cool thing about Charlie
>was that he was unashamed that he was staring. He held my gaze and
>each time I smiled he lit up again. It got to the point where I would
>look at him and he would smile first. I decided to break the ice with
>him. Oddly, once I did, his Mom began to flirt with me too. I asked
>them if they'd like something to drink while they were waiting, on the
>house. Mom agreed and I immediately looked to Charlie, who was leaning
>on the counter. I leaned in closer and spoke to him directly, 'What
>are you drinking Charlie Horse?' I gave him some choices. It was a
>magic moment for both of us. We made a connection in that moment.
>Unspoken between us passed several emotions. It was clear, not some
>Doc fantasy, I could read the emotions on his face. At first he was
>imploring me to notice him. I did this completely, my smile was for
>him alone and he had my full attention. The next emotion was one of
>fulfillment, 'Make this last', he was saying with his eyes. I moved
>obliquely, so that I was slightly closer. His eyes were locked to
>mine. It must have been an uncomfortable moment for his Mom because
>she spoke up, 'How about a Sprite?' It broke the spell, Charlie seemed
>to wake up, 'Yeah,' he said clearing his throat, 'a Sprite please'.
>
>I looked at his Mom, and now it was her turn. I asked her what she'd
>like to drink. I gave her my boy smile, just to see what would happen.
>It was pretty funny, she immediately blushed and couldn't maintain eye
>contact. She demurred from my offer of a drink and self consciously
>adjusted he hair. So I got Charlie a Sprite and handed it to him. The
>ice broken, he seemed much more at ease. In some small way we had laid
>claim to each other. I went to make their pizza and he followed me
>over to the window that was installed to let kids watch pizzas being
>tossed. I looked over occasionally, okay frequently, to flirt with
>Charlie. He was cute as hell, a fit young teen, with hazel eyes and
>brown hair. The peachfuzz on his upper lip drove me to distraction and
>he had a mole on his cheek that had a blonde whisker growing from it.
>Charlie flirted back smiling whenever I looked at him. At one point I
>picked up a mushroom and tossed it at him. It hit the window directly
>in front of his nose. Of course he blinked, and he started laughing.
>What a wonderful sound that was.
>
>I took a phone order for my next delivery and that gave us a chance to
>be closer. He hovered as close to me as he could refusing his Mom's
>offer of a chair in the lobby. I was animated on the phone and made
>exaggerated expressions for his entertainment. (Yes, I am a ham and I
>had an audience!) He giggled and continued to sip his soda.
>
>Finally it was time to give them their pizzas. His Mom wrote a check
>and confirmed what I already knew. She was single. Suddenly I began to
>hurt for Charlie because I knew that he wouldn't have many more
>moments like the one we'd shared. I've become a bit of an expert on
>fatherless boys lately, there are several in my life, and of course
>there was MTB. He taught me what the world was like for a boy without
>a Dad, or some man in their life. It hurts like hell. What a
>difference many in The Fort could make to a boy like him. It's sad too
>that boys like Charlie wear targets on their back that can be seen by
>the predators among us. Actually that part pisses me off. That thought
>was brought home to me last Friday when I encountered another single
>mom with a ten or eleven year old boy. I never caught his name, but we
>definitely had a moment. At first he was shy and almost wistful,
>clearly I was the right age to be his Dad. When I gave him my 'boy
>smile' he lit up and there was an unmistakable difference in his
>demeanor. He was almost shaking with excitement when I spoke directly
>to him. His eyes transfixed to mine. I handed him the pizzas and I
>looked his Mom. She had clearly seen the moment that I had shared with
>her son. When I glanced at her she had a disturbed look on her face.
>Had she seen this before? I gave her a reassuring smile and the
>conflict on her face passed. I turned to leave and looked back as I
>walked away to see her son still standing in the doorway holding his
>pizzas and watching me. I smiled once again and waved goodbye to him.
>
>My message is this: we, as boylovers, have this power and insight into
>the hearts of boys. We care more and we see more. We're boy 'experts',
>I suppose. Many of you have a longing for a special relationship with
>a boy. It is so easy to have, it is so fulfilling and it CAN make all
>the difference in the world to the boy involved. Or it could be
>disastrous for all involved.
>
>It would be SO easy for me to take advantage of a boy like Charlie. I
>could manipulate the situation so that he'd do anything to make me
>happy. The part that makes me strong is that part that keeps that from
>happening. THAT is the key. If you find yourself in a situation where
>you have a boy in your life, you hold the power to make a difference
>to him. We, as BOYLOVERS, have the responsibility to protect boys. We
>have the obligation to protect what we love about them, their
>innocence, their beauty and their bodies.
>
>There is a boy in my life that you've seen me write about. The nature
>of our relationship is strictly non-physical, he is my cousin's son.
>Yet since he began to need me at age 11 when his father left him, he
>have become closer and closer and very intimate in a lot of ways. He
>pretty much has me pegged as a BL, though we've never discussed it.
>Because of this and because of our closeness/intimacy he has shown me
>some amazing things. We've even slept together (he insisted after I
>told him ghost stories!). Nothing even slightly sexual has ever
>happened, however he has treated me to some of the most delightful
>sights I've ever seen. All of these experiences were in context,
>nothing manipulated, just a trusting relationship. He just turned 14
>and is becoming more 'macho' in his approach to me. That I respond
>consistently to him seems to be important to him. I could've done
>anything with him. But to what end? I would ruin my trust with him,
>probably cause him problems, because he is straight (he decided and
>told me, I don't know why), and possibly have MAJOR problems. I've
>wanted to! Oh, HELL yes. But in my mind I have this mantra that keeps
>me away from temptation: 'It's about HIM, not about me'.
>
>That is what we have to remember.
>
>I have to thank my friend BC, for giving me a reality slap last
>winter. MTB had just met his Princess and suddenly I wasn't the center
>of the universe anymore. I despaired that I might not ever get to find
>out if perhaps there was the 'possibility' of a sexual relationship
>with MTB. BC bitch slapped me into the real world. There IS NO
>possibility.
>
>He should know. He has the most self restraint of anyone I know. He
>has a houseful of lovely boys, any of whom are horny as hell. I won't
>mention any names, but one has blonde hair and is called J-Nox and he
>has a boyfriend named Michael. Oops. BC has his priorities in order.
>He is all about the boys. His reward is neverending, he will have a
>lifetime of love from those boys. They will grow up knowing who and
>what he is and understand what he did for them and DIDN'T do TO them.
>They will raise a new generation of tolerant children. If we are
>responsible and put the welfare of the boy first, then we need not
>always be the pariahs of society.
>
>Your opinions are solicited.
>
>Have A Beautiful Day,
>
>Doc
>
>NP-f31

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Nov 19, 2004, 11:32:12 AM11/19/04
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Let us just hope that many reading this can see the logic in our
comments. PM. NP.f35.

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:06:13 GMT, Dude With the Hair
<dudewiththe(remove)ha...@hushmail.com> wrote:

>On 17 Nov 2004 10:37:23 -0600, m...@there.com wrote:
>
>>I have read this massive tome with interest, and it is with great
>>delight I see the MOST IMPORTANT 9 WORDS quoted. ""we, as boylovers,
>>have the responsibility to protect boys"" Dude my old friend, it is a
>>pleasure to read this and for me, I found it very touching, sad, but
>>with hope for unfortunate boys as long as GENUINE BOYLOVERS, exist.
>>As an ex-scoutleader with many nationalities throughout the world, I
>>came to the conclusion that out of every troop I led, there were at
>>least two who thought more of me as a trustworty leader than they did
>>of their own parents,, someone to turn to with confidence when in
>>need.
>

>Hi PM!
>
>This is a good point. If a boy comes to you for advice it means that
>he has considered his problems/questions, sized you up and decided
>that YOU are the best person to talk to about his crisis/need. This is
>an incredible honor for any adult. How one handles this trust is
>critical.
>
>There are many BLs I have corresponded with who crave the
>companionship of a boy. They feel the pain and emptiness of their
>existence and are even suicidal. A healthy, trusting relationship with
>a boy would change the lives of each forever. Any of us can have a
>relationship like this, and that was the whole point of my post.
>
>By getting involved a BL could give new meaning to the life of a
>fatherless boy somewhere. But before you DO get involved, ask yourself
>as a BL, what is my motivation? If your motivation is not pure, don't
>get involved.


>
>>Yes, they had to go home, and sometimes to a home life I
>>personally would not give a dog, and I totally loathe dogs and cats. I
>>used to get the impression that the highlight of their week was to put
>>on their uniform, come down to the scout hut and actually be with
>>someone they knew really cared. On camp, with freedom from home life,
>>they were probably the most wonderful boys I ever had. It strikes me,
>>and I speak from experience, that A GENUINE BOYLOVER, makes a far
>>better parent than so many so-called Mums and Dads.
>

>Again I agree. There are several men today, whom I mentored when they
>were boys, who hold me in much higher esteem than they did their
>absent/no good/worthless fathers. They still call me for advice, I've
>even stood in as Father or been the Best Man at their weddings. That
>says a lot of where I stand in their hearts. My point here is IF you
>get involved with a boy, do it for the long term, they keep on needing
>you, even when their grown up.


>
>>So many
>>""parents"" are quick enough to get their animal lusts satisfied, with
>>little or no thought from the consequences of their lust. It doesnt
>>matter whether you are a scout leader, you deliver pizzas, clean out
>>the local school toilets, there is always someone needing you. Any
>>genuine BL has a responsibility to protect. Maybe it doesnt always go
>>down well with people who get the wrong idea, but what the hell, save
>>one child from harm and your life has been worth living. PM. NP.f35.
>
>

>Once again, a great point. Even if you are able to make one boy smile
>today because you smiled at him. That is a noble deed.
>
>Thanks PM,
>
>Doc
>
>NP-f31

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Dude With the Hair <dudewiththe(remove)ha...@hushmail.com> wrote in
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> On 17 Nov 2004 15:32:34 -0600, "::Y-Not::" <$7+-Y...@here.com> wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>>
>>
>>Ah, you might want to reconsider changing your nic here. Your post is
>>in quite a conflict with it.
>>
>>How close can one get to someone who is thousands of miles away? And
>>however that may be, could there be any possibility of harm? No.
>>
>>You seem to indicate that you think that MTB wasn't real. And you
>>compare that situation to Charlie. Do you think that he isn't real,
>>either? So what is real to you? Just yourself? I sure hope not, because
>>that would be a VERY poor reality to inhabit, even for just you.
>>
>>Those few positive moments that Doc gave to Charlie, can counteract the
>>negative effects caused by months of the absence of a father. Doc did a
>>good thing, just as I would have done, and as I HAVE done many times. I
>>give everyone I meet my full friendly and understanding attention. Doc
>>has my support and admiration for doing the same. It's very
>>disappointing that so few people care to do this. :-(
>>
>>Children need adults of both genders in their lives. They crave such
>>involvement, and for good reason. They NEED these relationships in
>>order to mature into caring adults. Any motivation that can *safely*
>>fulfill this desperate need, should be valued and supported. That you
>>choose not to accept this, only indicates to us that you don't care for
>>children, and don't care about much else that is human, either.
>>What a shame it is that you can't experience the best that life has to
>>offer, and it's more of a shame that you will never understand what you
>>are missing. I pity you.
>>
>>But, have a nice day! :-)
>>
>>
>>Y Not
>>

>
I have no Idea if I am anom on this but thought I would post a response. I
stumbled on this news group about 10 years ago and have never posted. Young
boys who either do not have fathers in their lives or can not stand the
ones they do, need thoughtfull and caring people to whom they can look up
to and trust to fullfill that void. While there are many who would take
advantage of that trust, there are those few out there that have been in
similar circumstances in their own lives and understand and would never
ever under any circumstances take advantage of them. I have fullfilled that
role in many a young persons life and yes they remember the kindness always
and always remain loyal. I have yet to attend any of their weddings as none
has gotten married that I know of, but I have attended their graduations,
birthday parties, etc.

I am in no way a supporter of anyone how condones or thinks that having
sexual relations with a young person is in anyway non hurtful or right,
because speaking from personal experience even the best intentions or even
if wanted by the young person, it will effect them for the rest of their
lives. I visit here because I like to remember my own childhood when things
were much simplier and we didn't care what people thought only what would
make us happy or would be fun.

So for those of you, lurking or not, who feel the sameway I say open your
heart and be a friend/father figure if you are given the oportunity, but if
you are only doing it for Sex then you are in need of professional help.

My 2 cents on the topic.

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