Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <59512a1...@news.xs4all.nl
> Richard Bos <ral...@xs4all.nl
> > Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >> It was rather glorious to be in London on teh day after the election.
> >> The headlines in amny of the papers were hilarious and the stunning
> >> defeat of May will, I'm quite sure, lead to the end of her political
> >> career rather shortly.
> > "Stunning defeat"... they're still the largest party by quite a margin.
> It was a stunning defeat.
Nonsense. It was a victory by a smaller margin than they hoped for, but
it was still a victory. Or would you also claim that Culloden was a
stunning defeat for the English, only because they didn't massacre the
Scots quite as badly as at Flodden?
> > They and the DUP are a majority. Labour and _all_ other parties together
> > except the DUP - are not! Sure, the Tories will have to form a minority
> > cabinet. Sure, Labour have been trounced less badly than it was the last
> > two times. But make no mistake, it was still Labour who were trounced,
> > not the Tories.
> That is factually incorrect. Labor gained something like 20 seats. The
> Tories were expected to make *HUGE* gains and May was already positioning
> herself as the second-coming of Thatcher. Even on the day before the
> election the expectation was they would gain 30+ seats.
It may be emotionally incorrect - you're clearly getting quite emotional
over this - but it is factually 100% correct that the Conservatives have
more seats than Labour, as well as a larger percentage of the vote. It's
factually correct that Labour could not form a majority cabinet without
the DUP; in fact, they'd need the SNP _and_ the LibDems _and_ DUP _and_
Sinn Féin (fat chance!) to get to 326. They can't even make it without
Sinn Féin! (It's also factually correct that *"Labor" is a spelling
Corbyn may claim a moral victory, but moral victories count for
absolutely nothing until the next election. Right now, the Conservatives
have the upper hand. They won. They didn't win as badly as they'd have
liked to, but they won. Corbyn's moral victory has gained him the right
to lead Her Majesty's Republican Opposition, nothing more.
> >> A mere month ago the Bloody Tories were expected to gain 100 seats in
> >> Parliament and instead they lost control of parliament and are allying
> >> with an anti-science fringe nutter party to try to retain some control.
> > _Retain_ control. Not _regain_ control. All political posturing and
> > wish-fulfilment aside, it's still May who is in control, not Corbyn. Her
> > control may be shaky, but she does have it, and Corbyn has a smug look
> > on his face. It may be a deservedly smug look, but it _is_ no more than
> >y a smug look.
> She has control for now, but she is a wounded stag limping through the
> forest and the hounds are on her. She is not going to last.
Please. Don't you think she looks tired? Yes, she does. So does Corbyn,
the poor little anemic tofu-eater. But none of that matters. What
matters is not that May is PM, but that the Tories form the government.
Who do you think is going to challenge her - _and_ succeed?
Not Boris, not Gove, not Leadsom, not Rudd. Certainly not Corbyn,
Sturgeon, or Nigelle Farrage. Because, however much it may pain you, the
Conservatives _won this election_ and they are forming the government.
No, the Tories are in power - tenuous power, but that's still more than
Labour has had for decades, unless you count BLiar&Broon as Labour which
I don't - and they'll stay in power until the next election. They were
stupid enough to call this one, I don't think they'll be that stupid
again any time soon.
Any challence to May will, therefore, have to come from within her own
party. And who of that self-serving lot is daft enough to take on the
wall of pain she's facing? None of them, I don't think, and those that
might won't succeed. And then, even if one does - it's still a Tory in
power, not your beloved pipe cleaner.
> It's not my Brexit, but if May continues on pushing through Brexit it
> will be the end of Great Britain. The economy is already on the shitpile
> and it will be so much worse. I'm trying to remember the reported
> numbers, but the headline was "Brexit has already made Britain poorer"
> and the number representing lost wealth and value was large.
I wouldn't trust those numbers until Brexit has come and gone, but it's
certainly true that Brexit was an own goal. But it was an own goal
before this election, as well.
> May has already show he true colors when she said that discarding human
> rights would we worth it to preserve Brexit.
Oh, she's shown her true colours long before that. A pure psychopath,
bent only on preserving her own hide. Selfish and arrogant - a true
> Great Britain is vastly overestimating their importance to the rest of
> Europe. No one there seemed to care at all about the UK, the election, or
> Brexit and the only comments I heard were, "the sooner they leave, the
> When Europe stops buying British product, Britain will crater.
Those, certainly, are true. And the Tories have scored a Pyrrhic
victory. But at the Brexit referendum, not at this election.