[I]Oracle - Insomnia
GaryN
Mine is getting worse to the extent that I can't sleep properly for
weeks on end and then crash to the point that the SO has to call me in
sick at work because I just don't function - best she could get out of
me this morning was "Uuurgh" in reply to "Do you want a coffee".
This is bad.
"Body, that's your support system, calling brain - shutting down now"
I'm now awake at 02:30, I'll go to bed in 1/2 an hour and be awake again
at 4:00 wondering what to do until I go to work at 6:30.
It's starting to annoy me.
I want some bloody sleep!
gary
[1]One that doesn't involve illegal drugs, stopping drinking coffee and
*REALLY DEFINITELY* not reading a Microshite user manual (although I've
been told that works).
--
"I didn't intend to do that, but I meant it for the best"
Will be engraved on the tombstone of the Human Race.
Arthur Hagen
> Does anyone know of a reliable way to deal with insomnia?[1]
> Mine is getting worse to the extent that I can't sleep properly for
> weeks on end and then crash to the point that the SO has to call me in
> sick at work because I just don't function - best she could get out of
> me this morning was "Uuurgh" in reply to "Do you want a coffee".
>
> This is bad.
Yeah, it sucks. As can be seen from the timestamp of my posts, I often
have insomnia.
If I really have to get more than a few hours of sleep, I put on some
large comfortable cans and listen to jazz or other instrumental music.
If I don't fall asleep for the first hour or two, at least I get in some
good body and mind relaxation that's almost as good as sleep.
> [1]One that doesn't involve illegal drugs, stopping drinking coffee and
> *REALLY DEFINITELY* not reading a Microshite user manual (although I've
> been told that works).
Eating fish is supposed to make people sleepy. Something about the fish
oils causing elevated serotonin levels for a couple of hours.
Others recommend hot milk with a small dash of whisky. It doesn't work
for me -- it only makes me crave coffee...
Finally, many swear by sex as a good remedy.
Regards,
--
*Art
Nils Gustaf Lindgren
Beware daytime naps.
Beware coffe - caffeine has a half life of 8 hours+, meaning, the caffeine
of a cup of java drunk at 1600 (04 AM) is only half gone by midnight.
See to it the bed room is cool, cooler than the living room (16-18
centigrade).
See to it that the bed is comfortable.
Don't eat in bed. Don't watch TV in bed. In fact, use bed room only for
sleeping (and sex).
No hypnotic is good, but some are worse. Any hypnotic will cease to work
after maximum 6 weeks due to adaptation, with the possible exception of
melatonin. Many hypnotic agents are habit forming, meaning, you can't sleep
with them, but you sleep even less without them. Sort of Catch-22, but not
quite.
If you don't fall asleep within an hour, don't stay in bed (unless you feel
good about it) - leave bed room, sit and listen to (good) music, or read a
(good or intersteing) book until really sleepy, then go back to bed.
Never think of the bed as a hostile place. If you start to do that, it may
be time to discuss CBT (not a joke - CBT is the treatment with the best
evidence for insomnia).
Just my 0.50, you understand.
Cheers
Nils
Lesley Weston
> Does anyone know of a reliable way to deal with insomnia?[1]
>
> Mine is getting worse to the extent that I can't sleep properly for
> weeks on end and then crash to the point that the SO has to call me in
> sick at work because I just don't function - best she could get out of
> me this morning was "Uuurgh" in reply to "Do you want a coffee".
>
> This is bad.
>
> "Body, that's your support system, calling brain - shutting down now"
>
> I'm now awake at 02:30, I'll go to bed in 1/2 an hour and be awake again
> at 4:00 wondering what to do until I go to work at 6:30.
>
> It's starting to annoy me.
>
> I want some bloody sleep!
>
> gary
>
> [1]One that doesn't involve illegal drugs, stopping drinking coffee and
> *REALLY DEFINITELY* not reading a Microshite user manual (although I've
> been told that works).
>
(Chlorpheniramine etc.) make many people sleepy, especially in
combination with Paracetamol. There is a bit of a residual effect during
the following day, but that might seem worth it.
Lesley.
Joyce Haslam
> Does anyone know of a reliable way to deal with insomnia?[1]
> [1]One that doesn't involve illegal drugs, stopping drinking
> coffee and *REALLY DEFINITELY* not reading a Microshite user
> manual (although I've been told that works).
I wear a sleep mask (they sell them for long journeys) and with the
radio on. Trying to listen to the radio stops me thinking about not
getting to sleep. Your SO might not be happy with this idea, though.
Good luck :)
Joyce.
--
"The spear in the Other's heart is in your own: you are he." -- Surak
Julia Jones
<ga...@scaryriders.com> writes
>Does anyone know of a reliable way to deal with insomnia?[1]
>
>*REALLY DEFINITELY* not reading a Microshite user manual (although I've
>been told that works).
Cut out, or at least down, the coffee. Yes, really, however much you may
be addicted to it. I have yer actual genuine
bad-luck-of-the-genetic-draw insomnia, and I basically avoid tea after
about 6pm, because it has a very noticeable effect on my ability to get
to sleep. And tea has less caffeine than coffee... Fortunately I don't
like coffee anyway.
Hot milk does actually help some people and is worth trying. Ditto half
a banana before bed.
The other stuff Nils said, with one exception -- if you have got into
the vicious circle where you're too tired to sleep, *careful* use of a
simple sedative for a few days can break that cycle. There is an
anti-histamine sold for this purpose in the UK, which will knock you out
for more than eight hours and possibly leave you groggy for some hours
after you wake up, but doesn't generally disrupt your dream sleep. They
will not sell you more than ten at a time (or at least that was the
quantity when I had recourse to it on doctor's advice, it may have
changed). There is a reason for this. If it works, *not* taking it after
a few nights of good sleep is very, very difficult. And you do have to
stop taking it, because in the long term it's a Bad Thing.
--
Julia Jones
"There are people in the world who believe that Elvis did not die
but was abducted by aliens. Most of these people have the vote
and many own guns." Terry Pratchett
Esmeraldus
<insomnia>
> Hot milk does actually help some people and is worth trying. Ditto
> half a banana before bed.
Half?
Chris Zakes
GaryN <ga...@scaryriders.com> to write:
>Does anyone know of a reliable way to deal with insomnia?[1]
>
>Mine is getting worse to the extent that I can't sleep properly for
>weeks on end and then crash to the point that the SO has to call me in
>sick at work because I just don't function - best she could get out of
>me this morning was "Uuurgh" in reply to "Do you want a coffee".
>
>This is bad.
>
>"Body, that's your support system, calling brain - shutting down now"
>
>I'm now awake at 02:30, I'll go to bed in 1/2 an hour and be awake again
>at 4:00 wondering what to do until I go to work at 6:30.
>
>It's starting to annoy me.
>
>I want some bloody sleep!
>
>gary
What works for my wife is about 3/4 cup of hot cocoa and 1/4 cup of
Irish Cream--we call it Irish Cocoa.
-Chris Zakes
Texas
Even a man who is pure in heart
And says his prayers at night
May become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms
And the autumn moon is bright.
GaryN
@mud.stack.nl:
Some people don't need as much banannannna as you..;-)
gary
Esmeraldus
> "Esmeraldus" <muclu...@mypacks.net> wrote in news:gd5ffs$5kn$1
> @mud.stack.nl:
>
>> Julia Jones wrote:
>> <insomnia>
>>
>>> Hot milk does actually help some people and is worth trying. Ditto
>>> half a banana before bed.
>>
>> Half?
>>
> Some people don't need as much banannannna as you..;-)
I don't need ANY banananananana.
Single entendre, double entendre, or whatever.
I give you the following dialogue, which took place about ten years ago
between me and one of my best friends, Kathleen:
Me: [heavy sigh]
Kath: [continues to read book, facing away] What's wrong?
Me: I'm hungry, and I'm about to eat my lunch.
Kath: And?
Me: It's going to taste like bananas.
Kath: Yes..?
Me: I really hate bananas.
Kath: What is it?
Me: A banana.
Kath, finally looking up from her book: ...
I don't eat bananas with any pleasure. I eat them as a sort of unpleasant
duty, to get some sort of naturally occurring potassium into my diet.
Puck
> I don't eat bananas with any pleasure. I eat them as a sort of unpleasant
> duty, to get some sort of naturally occurring potassium into my diet.
Not even in the form of Nanny's bananana soup surprise?
Hmmm...I hope the librarian never gets his hands on that stuff.
Nils Gustaf Lindgren
>knock you out for more than eight hours and possibly leave you groggy for
>some hours after you wake up
In fact, anti-histamines are very easy to adapt to, meaning, they cease to
work except as a "soteria"[1] after a few weeks. The good thing is, they are
not strictly habit-forming, so, they do not give an abstinence which of
course would be a Bad Thing.
Nils
[1] Meaning, saviour, and indicating a drug, or other helper, which is
considered to be indispensable without actually doing anything [2].
[2] Feel free to give other examples, it just begs for it, doesn't it?
Daibhid Ceanaideach
> In article <Xns9B381ACB2963Ag...@212.23.3.119>, GaryN
> <ga...@scaryriders.com> writes
>>Does anyone know of a reliable way to deal with insomnia?[1]
>>
>>[1]One that doesn't involve illegal drugs, stopping drinking coffee
>>and *REALLY DEFINITELY* not reading a Microshite user manual (although
>>I've been told that works).
>
> Cut out, or at least down, the coffee. Yes, really, however much you
> may be addicted to it. I have yer actual genuine
> bad-luck-of-the-genetic-draw insomnia, and I basically avoid tea after
> about 6pm, because it has a very noticeable effect on my ability to
> get to sleep. And tea has less caffeine than coffee... Fortunately I
> don't like coffee anyway.
Yeah, I'm on the legal drugs for anxiety-related-sleep-disorder, and my
doctor basically told me there was no *point* in taking them if I didn't
cut down on caffiene as well. So we've invested in decaffienated tea, and
I've cut down on the fizzy drinks as well.
--
Dave
So I looked, and behold, a pale horse.
And the name of him who sat on it was Death.
And the name of the horse was Binky.
Lesley Weston
fruit, so you can get the same benefits by eating whichever you prefer.
And the potassium in vitamin-and-mineral supplements is exactly the same
as the potassium in fruit.
Lesley.
Dave Adalian
system active and preventing the parasympathetic nervous response, it's
likely your behavior is the cause of your problem, and if you're like most
people you won't do what it takes to fix it. Nothing personal,. but that's
just how it is. It can, however, be overcome if you're willing to be
tenacious about it.
The first thing is pick a regular waking time and stick to it. This will
eventually overcome your urge to stay up until all hours, but the process
may not be pretty. At some point your body will give up and start falling
asleep at a time that ensures you get enough rest to function when you rise
at your regular waking time. Take no naps, as it screws up the process;
you've got to be tired at bedtime. From now on, in the bed only two things
happen: sleep and sex. No sleeping in on the weekends, either.
Eat right. Knock off the simple carbohydrate-laden foods, those would be
the ones high in sugars or substances that are easily turned into glycogen
by the body: the sodas, the cookies, the cake, the processed white flour,
white rice, potatoes. Your body must have carbohydrate to function, but it
prefers the complex carbohydrate in fruits, vegetables and whole grains. It
also wants lots of protein, preferably lean, but not necessarily; this is
more of an cardio-arterial issue. And, lots and lots of water. Not coffee,
not beer, not milk, not juice, not Gatorade. Water's the universal solvent
and your body needs a lot of it, at least a four liters a day, more if
you're a large person like me; I weigh about 275 pounds (125 kilos) and jog
an hour a day, so I drink on the order of six liters of water a day, more
when the weather's hot.
And that brings up the really important change: exercise. Your body needs
it to function at it peak. Are you getting at least 30 minutes aerobic
activity every day? Walking is best and easiest for those who don't
exercise. There is no substitute for this. None at all, so don't ask.
Finally, do you meditate? Ten minutes a day in the morning and another ten
in the evening every day helps the parasympathetic nervous system take over
from the sympathetic and eliminate the chemical residue of the
flight-or-fight response chemicals stressed individuals are excreting on a
constant basis. Another good way to activate the parasympathetic response
is to have something to eat twenty minutes before bedtime. The
parasympathetic nervous system is active during digestion, and our bodies
can't maintain the action of both the sympathetic and parasympathetic
systems at the same time.
It's seems overwhelming, but if you've been sleep deprived for weeks, it's
worth it. And you don't do it all at once. Today, you go for a walk and
skip the second bowl of ice cream. Tomorrow, you do that stuff plus have
half a cup less coffee or tea. Day after that you meditate for the first
time in the morning. You will screw up. Don't worry about it. Start again
the next day. Eventually, your body will fall into step with your mind once
it realizes you intend to be in charge of yourself.
Good luck.
--
-- Dave
Read my latest astronomy column!
http://starry-starry-nights.blogspot.com/
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"GaryN" <ga...@scaryriders.com> wrote in message
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Dave Adalian
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> On 15 Oct 2008 01:38:31 GMT, an orbital mind-control laser caused
> GaryN <ga...@scaryriders.com> to write:
>
>>Does anyone know of a reliable way to deal with insomnia?[1]
>>
>>Mine is getting worse to the extent that I can't sleep properly for
>>weeks on end and then crash to the point that the SO has to call me in
>>sick at work because I just don't function - best she could get out of
>>me this morning was "Uuurgh" in reply to "Do you want a coffee".
>>
>>This is bad.
>>
>>"Body, that's your support system, calling brain - shutting down now"
>>
>>I'm now awake at 02:30, I'll go to bed in 1/2 an hour and be awake again
>>at 4:00 wondering what to do until I go to work at 6:30.
>>
>>It's starting to annoy me.
>>
>>I want some bloody sleep!
>>
>>gary
>
> What works for my wife is about 3/4 cup of hot cocoa and 1/4 cup of
> Irish Cream--we call it Irish Cocoa.
>
Drugs are fine for the occasional restless night when you must be rested the
next day, but are not a good long-term solution.
Dave Adalian
news:gd5ffs$5kn$1...@mud.stack.nl...
A small snack activates the parasympathetic nervous system, which is
responsible both for digestion and sleep.
Dave Adalian
Expand your horizons.
http://www.weightlossforall.com/potassium-rich-food.htm
A banana provides 11 percent of the RDA for potassium. A serving of
apricots will do you for 39 percent of the RDA.
keefers
> Does anyone know of a reliable way to deal with insomnia?[1]
>
> Mine is getting worse to the extent that I can't sleep properly for
> weeks on end and then crash to the point that the SO has to call me in
> sick at work because I just don't function - best she could get out of
> me this morning was "Uuurgh" in reply to "Do you want a coffee".
>
> This is bad.
>
> "Body, that's your support system, calling brain - shutting down now"
>
> I'm now awake at 02:30, I'll go to bed in 1/2 an hour and be awake again
> at 4:00 wondering what to do until I go to work at 6:30.
>
> It's starting to annoy me.
>
> I want some bloody sleep!
>
> gary
>
> [1]One that doesn't involve illegal drugs, stopping drinking coffee and
> *REALLY DEFINITELY* not reading a Microshite user manual (although I've
> been told that works).
>
I have just been referred to the psych therapies department for
insomnia, but I practically had to beg my GP for the referral.
My insomnia also gets to the point where I can no longer function, and
then a sackful of other symptoms start to hit me as my body shuts down.
If cognitive behavioral therapy doesn't work, my GP suggested either
acupuncture or Chinese medicine, but I have had no experience with
either of these and am a little skeptical. Still, if I am left with no
other options, I will try them.
--
Keith
Julia Jones
<muclu...@mypacks.net> writes
answer has sometimes been "but I couldn't eat a whole banana before
going to bed!"
Julia Jones
<nils.l...@NOTAVALIDADRESS.se> writes
getting a couple of nights of solid sleep is all that's needed to break
that circle of disrupted sleep pattern.
Esmeraldus
> A banana provides 11 percent of the RDA for potassium. A serving of
> apricots will do you for 39 percent of the RDA.
Well, I *like* apricots.
Dave Adalian
Problem solved.
Arthur Hagen
> Again the tyranny of the banana! There's plenty of potassium in all
> fruit, so you can get the same benefits by eating whichever you prefer.
> And the potassium in vitamin-and-mineral supplements is exactly the same
> as the potassium in fruit.
Um, no. You find free potassium neither in fruit nor in mineral
supplements. In fruit, it's usually potassium carbonate (potash), while
in mineral supplements, it's more often potassium chloride.
And even if assuming the digestive system does the same with the two,
the resulting potassium ions do not necessarily have the same isotope
ratio. Kelp, for example, has about 15% more of the heavier stable
isotope (41K) than mineral potassium.
So any way you twist it, the potassium is NOT exactly the same.
Regards,
--
*Art
Joyce Haslam
Hagen <a...@broomstick.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 08:04 -0700, Lesley Weston wrote:
> > Again the tyranny of the banana! There's plenty of potassium in
> > all fruit, so you can get the same benefits by eating whichever
> > you prefer. And the potassium in vitamin-and-mineral
> > supplements is exactly the same as the potassium in fruit.
> Um, no. You find free potassium neither in fruit nor in mineral
> supplements. In fruit, it's usually potassium carbonate
> (potash), while in mineral supplements, it's more often potassium
> chloride.
Well, you *certainly* *aren't* going to find free potassium in
anything that has the least trace of moisture. That metal is one of
the most reactive known. And by the time any potassium salt reaches
the stomach acid, you might as well call it potassium chloride. In
solution the potassium cations won't be affected by the anions.
> And even if assuming the digestive system does the same with the
> two, the resulting potassium ions do not necessarily have the
> same isotope ratio. Kelp, for example, has about 15% more of the
> heavier stable isotope (41K) than mineral potassium.
Potassium 41 is radio-active. Would you care to provide cites?
> So any way you twist it, the potassium is NOT exactly the same.
But it's the same difference :-)
Arthur Hagen
> In article <1224197764.2...@fairy.broomstick.com>, Arthur
> Hagen <a...@broomstick.com> wrote:
> > And even if assuming the digestive system does the same with the
> > two, the resulting potassium ions do not necessarily have the
> > same isotope ratio. Kelp, for example, has about 15% more of the
> > heavier stable isotope (41K) than mineral potassium.
>
> Potassium 41 is radio-active. Would you care to provide cites?
Certainly. Would you return the favour, and care to provide a cite for
your claim that potassium 41 is radioactive?
http://education.jlab.org/itselemental/iso019.html
http://www.webelements.com/potassium/isotopes.html
http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/174/1/107.pdf
Regards,
--
*Art
Joyce Haslam
Hagen <a...@broomstick.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 00:17 +0100, Joyce Haslam wrote:
> > In article <1224197764.2...@fairy.broomstick.com>,
> > Arthur Hagen <a...@broomstick.com> wrote:
> > > And even if assuming the digestive system does the same with
> > > the two, the resulting potassium ions do not necessarily have
> > > the same isotope ratio. Kelp, for example, has about 15%
> > > more of the heavier stable isotope (41K) than mineral
> > > potassium.
> >
> > Potassium 41 is radio-active. Would you care to provide cites?
> Certainly. Would you return the favour, and care to provide a
> cite for your claim that potassium 41 is radioactive?
> http://education.jlab.org/itselemental/iso019.html
> http://www.webelements.com/potassium/isotopes.html
> http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/174/1/107.pdf
I note you don't try to defend the first half of your post, which
coloured my reaction to the second half.
My cite for the first half is my BS in Chemistry from San Diego
State College (now SDSU). My cite for the second is the guy over
there on the couch with an MSc in Chemistry from Manchester
University (England) and 30 years experience teaching A-level
Chemistry. Looks like I should have gone upstairs for the "rubber
bible" - my apologies.
steveski
[snippage]
> Looks like I should have gone upstairs for the "rubber
> bible" - my apologies.
I've got a 1962 (44th ed.) copy - still useful :-)
As well as various Cotton & Wilkinsons, Atkins, Skoog, West & Holler,
Morrison & Boyd and my dearest reference - Manahan . . .
--
Steveski
steveski
Oh, and insomnia . . .
--
Steveski
Joyce Haslam
<stev...@invalid.com> wrote:
> steveski wrote:
> > Joyce Haslam wrote: [snippage]
> >
> >> Looks like I should have gone upstairs for the "rubber bible"
> >> - my apologies.
> >
> > I've got a 1962 (44th ed.) copy - still useful :-)
Mine is the 43rd ed in the 1962 reprint. An anniversary of the ACS,
I think, so we were offered a special price. I never regretted
buying it.
> > As well as various Cotton & Wilkinsons, Atkins, Skoog, West &
> > Holler, Morrison & Boyd and my dearest reference - Manahan . . .
Morrison & Boyd I remember, but I don't think it went to Canada
with me, certainly not across the Atlantic. Cram & Hammond is
upstairs though. And my own copy of Walker Boyd & Asimov
"Biochemistry and Human Metabolism".
Manahan, Toxicological Chemistry? Now that would be an interesting
read.
> Oh, and insomnia . . .
Yep, that too. And nightmares about final exams in courses I didn't
know I was signed up for, and student housing that could serve in
"Crooked House 2" - nothing so simple as a tesseract. My son-in-law
left school at 18; I tell him he doesn't know what he is missing
(the lucky guy).
Arthur Hagen
> In article <1224207177.1...@fairy.broomstick.com>, Arthur
> Hagen <a...@broomstick.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 00:17 +0100, Joyce Haslam wrote:
> > > In article <1224197764.2...@fairy.broomstick.com>,
> > > Arthur Hagen <a...@broomstick.com> wrote:
> > > > And even if assuming the digestive system does the same with
> > > > the two, the resulting potassium ions do not necessarily have
> > > > the same isotope ratio. Kelp, for example, has about 15%
> > > > more of the heavier stable isotope (41K) than mineral
> > > > potassium.
> > >
> > > Potassium 41 is radio-active. Would you care to provide cites?
>
> > Certainly. Would you return the favour, and care to provide a
> > cite for your claim that potassium 41 is radioactive?
>
> > http://education.jlab.org/itselemental/iso019.html
> > http://www.webelements.com/potassium/isotopes.html
> > http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/174/1/107.pdf
>
> I note you don't try to defend the first half of your post, which
> coloured my reaction to the second half.
Defending the first half of my post should not be necessary -- it's
plain logic. (a E x), (b E x), (a -> y), (b -> y) !=> (a = b)
If you /really/ want, and you're not just trying to deflect, I am sure I
can find you a reference that explains that logic.
> My cite for the first half is my BS in Chemistry from San Diego
> State College (now SDSU).
That's not citing. You can't reference your own knowledge, not only
because it's always going to be biased, but because others don't have
access to your brain.
Regards,
--
*Art
steveski
[snip]
> Manahan, Toxicological Chemistry? Now that would be an interesting
> read.
I'm sure it would be but it's Quantitative Chemical Analysis. I'm (by
quallies) an analytical chemist.
--
Steveski
Lesley Weston
> On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 08:04 -0700, Lesley Weston wrote:
>> Again the tyranny of the banana! There's plenty of potassium in all
>> fruit, so you can get the same benefits by eating whichever you prefer.
>> And the potassium in vitamin-and-mineral supplements is exactly the same
>> as the potassium in fruit.
>
> Um, no. You find free potassium neither in fruit nor in mineral
> supplements.
Thank gods! Imagine eating something that immediately starts to burn
violently on contact with water.
> In fruit, it's usually potassium carbonate (potash), while
> in mineral supplements, it's more often potassium chloride.
Doesn't matter, it's still the same potassium ions whatever compounds
they've previously formed, used by the body in the same way.
>
> And even if assuming the digestive system does the same with the two,
> the resulting potassium ions do not necessarily have the same isotope
> ratio. Kelp, for example, has about 15% more of the heavier stable
> isotope (41K) than mineral potassium.
>
> So any way you twist it, the potassium is NOT exactly the same.
This bit is true but irrelevant.
Now I shall go and make breakfast, which will include dried apricots.
Lesley.
Lesley Weston
That has to be the first ever afp reference to The Rubber Book. It's
nice to come across familiar things unexpectedly - perhaps there's a
word for it, the equivalent of serendipity.
Lesley.
Lesley Weston
> Joyce Haslam wrote:
> [snippage]
>
>> Looks like I should have gone upstairs for the "rubber
>> bible" - my apologies.
>
> I've got a 1962 (44th ed.) copy - still useful :-)
After all, what's going to change? It's not like we're talking about
biology.
Lesley.
Joyce Haslam
> Joyce Haslam wrote:
> > Manahan, Toxicological Chemistry? Now that would be an
> > interesting read.
> I'm sure it would be but it's Quantitative Chemical Analysis. I'm
> (by quallies) an analytical chemist.
Ah. <respect> I'm no use in the lab itself. In my second year I did
ask a prof which part of chemistry was *not* quantitative analysis;
pity his answer wasn't: "None. Go elsewhere." I guess he was just
dumbfounded.
Joyce.
Rocky Frisco
> On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 00:17 +0100, Joyce Haslam wrote:
>> In article <1224197764.2...@fairy.broomstick.com>, Arthur
>> Hagen <a...@broomstick.com> wrote:
>>> And even if assuming the digestive system does the same with the
>>> two, the resulting potassium ions do not necessarily have the
>>> same isotope ratio. Kelp, for example, has about 15% more of the
>>> heavier stable isotope (41K) than mineral potassium.
>> Potassium 41 is radio-active. Would you care to provide cites?
>
> Certainly. Would you return the favour, and care to provide a cite for
> your claim that potassium 41 is radioactive?
Simple error. "Potassium-39 comprises most (about 93%) of naturally
occurring potassium, and potassium-41 accounts for essentially
all the rest. Radioactive postassium-40 comprises a very small
fraction (about 0.012%) of naturally occurring potassium."
-Rock
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Rocky Frisco
"Synchrondipity"
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steveski
> steveski wrote:
>> Joyce Haslam wrote:
>
>> > Manahan, Toxicological Chemistry? Now that would be an
>> > interesting read.
>
>> I'm sure it would be but it's Quantitative Chemical Analysis. I'm
>> (by quallies) an analytical chemist.
>
> Ah. <respect>
Thankyou (but prob. not deserved - I've spent most of my life as a
musician :-)
> I'm no use in the lab itself. In my second year I did
> ask a prof which part of chemistry was *not* quantitative analysis;
> pity his answer wasn't: "None. Go elsewhere." I guess he was just
> dumbfounded.
Heh :-)
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Steveski
Joyce Haslam
Thank you :))
Yes, it was late at night when I was reading, and DH and I had
simultaneous 'hard of thinking' episodes. So sorry! Never happened
before, of course :-)
Larry Moore
> Good luck.
>
I might add that it would help to avoid any chocolate, coffee, tea
etc. at and after supper.
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Bonzai Kitten
wrote:
> On 2008-10-16, Dave Adalian <dave.adal...@PLZNOSPAMsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > Good luck.
>
> I might add that it would help to avoid any chocolate, coffee, tea
> etc. at and after supper.
>
> --
> I don't believe in personal immortality; the only way I expect to have
> some version of such a thing is through my books.
> Isaac Asimov
I have frequent (well, practically permanent, really) insomnia too. I
have found, however, that listening (sort of) to audiobooks through my
ipod helps me drowse, even if I can't properly sleep.
Foods with a lot of tryptophan can help too, like milk, oats, white
rice, spirulina and a whole stack of others. I find spirulina works
best, although that may be because I'm not particularly keen on milk.
Egg whites are apparently quite good too, but I've never tried them to
find out. Mainly because I watched the person who said it, whisk up
said egg whites with milk and then drink it... Urgh.
Of course, all this could just be a placebo effect, who knows?
Arthur Hagen
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:24:03 -0400, Arthur Hagen <a...@broomstick.com>
> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Eating fish is supposed to make people sleepy. Something about the
>> fish oils causing elevated serotonin levels for a couple of hours.
>> Others recommend hot milk with a small dash of whisky.
>
> I've heard that porridge helps.
Won't it become yucky when mixed with the whisky?
Regards,
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Elliott Grasett
Sounds a bit like Athol(Sp?) Brose.
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Elliott
The Stainless Steel Cat
John Ewing <jo...@gelsalba.co.uk> wrote:
>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:24:03 -0400, Arthur Hagen <a...@broomstick.com>
>wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>Eating fish is supposed to make people sleepy. Something about the fish
>>oils causing elevated serotonin levels for a couple of hours.
>>Others recommend hot milk with a small dash of whisky.
>
>I've heard that porridge helps.
No, I keep telling myself, "Just this episode, then I'll go to sleep ...
oh, the next one's got David Jason in!"
Cat.
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