[F] Eindhoven 2.0 / NL 5.0 Meet Report
Michael The Roach Janszen
"Es ist Samstagabend und die Dinge stehen schlecht,
ich bin auf der Suche nach dem weiblichen Geschlecht"
(EAV, Märchenprinz)
Well, he can be glas he didn't join Eindhoven 2.0 then:-)
Time: Saturday, September 13th, 1997.
Place: Eindhoven, NL, "Trafalgar Pub"
Participants (flesh):
TimT
Jos Dingjan
Jeroen Metselaar
Jeroen Burgher
Joost Carpaij
Luc Cluitmans
Eelco Giele ("E-something")
'Fons'
Jeremy Stark
me (The Roach)
AWEL (1):
Alan Connell
Ler Breebart
Virtual participants:
Ridcully the Brown
Michelena
Rob Collier
R. Bryant
Alex TEH
Muppet
FTony
Colette
Gabriel Krabbe
(the OnLine Crew was hard to follow, so excuses if I missed out on someone)
With NL 5.0 the NLmeets returned back to their roots - not only was this
the fist time a town saw a repeat meet, there also once more was not a
female RL participant (2).
The whole meet (or at least the part of it I could attend) took place in
one venue - the Trafalgar Inn in Eindhoven. After quite some talking, and
some weighing the alternatives, it was decided to also eat dinner there.
After dinner, the Trafalgar PC was used to join IRC.
Up until then, the following had been consumed:
1 Spa rood (mineral water)
1 Bitter Lemon
2 Tiramisu
6 Chocolat Mousse
1 orange ice
6 Canadian Ham (3)
2 Cottage Pies (4)
1 Turkey Tournedos
5 Mustard Soup
1 set of 7 Escargots
2 large bowls of fries
24 pints of Guinness (!)
Topics discussed - in an attempt of completeness (5) - until IRC started:
ClareCraft photos were wondered over
So was the ClareCraft event (and the attraction of certain AFPers towards
big guns)...
ClareCraft figures were admired (Esp. Death of Rats and the Librarian)
MacDonalds was dissed, Food in general was discussed
Guest presents when visiting afpers were suggested
Of course, PCs (and UNIX servers, OS Wars &c) were spoken of at length.
However, this topic did take much longer than the guesstimated 8 seconds
for linguists...
Singing was perpetrated - mostly passively (6), but 'When I'm 64' was heard
from the afp dinner table a well.
Drunk dogs...
Preliminary plans for Nijmegen 1.0 were brought closer to fruition (7)
The question was raised: Are there excuses for studying/working in France?
The Swiss were uncovered to be aliens
Snail sex was discussed
So were the effects of missing hind legs on a frog's junmping / hearing
ability
Cars and Bicycles came up several times during the night
So did wars.
Experiences with Beer Pubs were recounted
Sometime during the evening, an invite was issued to a watching of the SM
video, but it was immediately invalidated by adding "But I haven't got any
beer at home." :-)
A Hue and search was asked for on the whereabouts of certain afposters who
have been missing conspicuously
Back to animals: The marketing possibilities of inflatable hedgehogs were
dissected
Migraines were not endured but confessed
The state of news.lspace.org and the date (September) were duly noted
A callwent out to once more discuss the properties of the Missing Chapter
and Unclear Physics, these two Masterpieces by PTerry
Also, a new game of Mornington Crescent was proposed.
Several newsgroups were mentioned, e.g., rec.games.tiddlywinks
Talking about games, toothpick games were extensively played by two
perticipants
TimT gave tips on the holding cells in several police stations.
It was noted with surprise that names ending on '-el', such as Azrael,
Aziraphel, Raphael and Michael are angel's names, and the question was
raised, "Do Gabri-el Krabbe and the Dammer-el agree with this?"
After dinner, a connection to irc.lspace.org was created, and some of the
topics - spoken about with the typical attention span of afp - were:
pearls/perls, XTerms, Tapdancing, Horsey-rides, Laserquest, Needleworks,
Pizzas, physical Setup of computers...
Finally, the much dreaded yet eagerly expected ... <fx: drumroll> ...
QUOTES OF THE EVENING:
"I got the fine coordination of a demolition derrick" (Jos)
"Windows 3000: Needs 45 TB, installation takes 3 months" (Jeroen)
"You can do beautiful things with a guitar and a camp fire..."
(Jeroen)(when the singing started)
When a glass was thrown off the table and broken, the first reaction was:
"Was iz empty?" (Jeroen)
"Discussing snail sex is a natural follow-up to discussing the French"
(Jeremy)
"G|N>Librarian" (TimT)
"Venlo, this is a small german town in Holland" (TimT) (8)
"This is what I grew up on..."(TimT) "...out on!" (Jos)
"It's nice to see Gravity works" (TimT when Eelco had trouble handling his
cutlery correctly)
"We're being outdone in silliness by some other group" (Jeremy) (9)
"The IRA sold all weapons, they are now buying Motorbikes" (Eelco)
"Watch out I got a loaded quotefile" (Eelco, about the writer of these
lines...)
"In the right hands, this could be a dangerous quote" (Jeremy) "Don't
worry, we are the right hands" (Jos)
"This is really nice honey" (Jeremy) (punctuation deliberately left out)
"AFP is like a hedgehog..." (Jeremy) (I won't say why...)
"There's no such thing as a free launch" (TimT)
There probably are transcripts of the IRC chat around, I didn't make notes
on that. (10)
Unfortunately, the garage I had parked my car closed at 0100, so I had to
go somewhen during the IRC session.
(!) Not a footnote
(1) Absent with express leave
(2) Where are the female Dutch afpers?
(3) Ham on the bone, looked like steamed and seemingly tasted well (I had
something else)
(4) Meat, some wegetables, under mashed potatoes, baked over with cheese.
The cheese seems to have been non-original, but I tried it to see about
English (they said so) food. Rather Tasty, too...
(5) probably futile
(6) we realized why the German language calle the passive voice,
'Leidensform'
(7) See separate posting from this poster about a preliminary food and
venue survey...
(8) Dutchmen, pls. note that *he* said Holland, not me!
(9) Nah, they didn't show as much stamina as we did!
(10) Who did breathe a sigh of relief right now?
penI'yIn 'ej pechep
Michael "The Roach" Janszen (AFP NLMeet reporter)
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David Chanoch
ro...@earthling.netz (Michael "The Roach" Janszen) wrote:
>It was noted with surprise that names ending on '-el', such as Azrael,
>Aziraphel, Raphael and Michael are angel's names, and the question was
>raised, "Do Gabri-el Krabbe and the Dammer-el agree with this?"
>
There's a very simple explanation for this. In hebrew, El means God,
and is therefore integrated in the names of most angels.
Didi Chanoch
Tim T.
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 08:32:36 GMT
How come you are awake at this time
In article <341b8d6...@news.lspace.org>,
ro...@earthling.netz (Michael "The Roach" Janszen) writes:
> The whole meet (or at least the part of it I could attend) took place in
> one venue - the Trafalgar Inn in Eindhoven. After quite some talking, and
> some weighing the alternatives, it was decided to also eat dinner there.
> After dinner, the Trafalgar PC was used to join IRC.
The whole meet, in the end.. until about half past one. I started crashing
around then
> Up until then, the following had been consumed:
>
> 1 Spa rood (mineral water)
> 1 Bitter Lemon
> 2 Tiramisu
> 6 Chocolat Mousse
> 1 orange ice
> 6 Canadian Ham (3)
> 2 Cottage Pies (4)
> 1 Turkey Tournedos
> 5 Mustard Soup
> 1 set of 7 Escargots
> 2 large bowls of fries
> 24 pints of Guinness (!)
Add another 8 pints and a couple of softdrinks for the IRC episode..
> Topics discussed - in an attempt of completeness (5) - until IRC started:
>
> ClareCraft figures were admired (Esp. Death of Rats and the
> Librarian)
And a big thank you to Fonz, who painted them for me.. Elton, if you
ever need painters for special collectors editions, Fonz is the man
you want.
> Singing was perpetrated - mostly passively (6), but 'When I'm 64' was heard
> from the afp dinner table a well.
Ermmm.. that was not singing....
> The question was raised: Are there excuses for studying/working in
> France?
None were found, except the pay turns out to be better.
> The Swiss were uncovered to be aliens
Ref. Scott Adams, the Dilbert Future.
> Sometime during the evening, an invite was issued to a watching of the SM
> video, but it was immediately invalidated by adding "But I haven't got any
> beer at home." :-)
We could have gotten some from the cafeteria maybe.. turns out the
video would have been too long, since some people had to catch
trains.
> TimT gave tips on the holding cells in several police stations.
From experience, I'm ashamed to add.. Tip for your young afp-ers out
there: there's usually crash space at the local police station,
where ever you go. They even serve breakfast.
> It was noted with surprise that names ending on '-el', such as Azrael,
> Aziraphel, Raphael and Michael are angel's names, and the question was
> raised, "Do Gabri-el Krabbe and the Dammer-el agree with this?"
The Dammer-el : an angel in disguise ?
> "There's no such thing as a free launch" (TimT)
Stolen from somewhere... I'm ashamed to admit I don't remember
where. Anyone ?
> (3) Ham on the bone, looked like steamed and seemingly tasted well (I had
> something else)
The sauce is something else.. The menu is on the web
somewhere. (Try www.dse.nl, under tourism, I think.)
> (8) Dutchmen, pls. note that *he* said Holland, not me!
The rest of the country wouldn't own up to being anywhere near
Venlo. (I lived there for two years.. still trying to forget that
period.)
TimT.
Anne Kampstra
Since being a female Dutch afper, I feel obliged to react, although
I'm very much the lurking kind (1). Since I'm not anymore now, I might
even come to Nijmegen (2), if my study can do without me around that
time (3).
Anne Kampstra
(1) Around newsgroups, that is.
(2) I'm from Amsterdam, any afpers in Amsterdam?
(3) I've tried this before, but with little succes.
Cybercat
On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 08:32:36 GMT, ro...@earthling.netz (Michael "The
Roach" Janszen) wrote:
>With NL 5.0 the NLmeets returned back to their roots - not only was this
>the fist time a town saw a repeat meet, there also once more was not a
>female RL participant (2).
>
What do you mean? I distinctly remember going to two Delft meets[1].
[1] Should have been 3, but one wasn't properly announced.
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On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:46:05 +0100, Anne Kampstra wrote (in response
to Michael "The Roach" Janszen's plaintive cry: "(2) Where are the
female Dutch afpers?")
My sympathies with the last footnote. The first week of the semester
and already I was getting more friendly with my Italian grammar than I
wanted to be. Maybe we might bring the number of RL Dutch female
afpers to two in Nijmegen?
Sierra
Michael The Roach Janszen
On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 18:30:12 GMT, cybe...@introweb.nl (Cybercat) shook the
Earth by stating:
>On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 08:32:36 GMT, ro...@earthling.netz (Michael "The
>Roach" Janszen) wrote:
>
>>With NL 5.0 the NLmeets returned back to their roots - not only was this
>>the fist time a town saw a repeat meet, there also once more was not a
>>female RL participant (2).
>>
>What do you mean? I distinctly remember going to two Delft meets[1].
>
>[1] Should have been 3, but one wasn't properly announced.
Ahh, but one of them was the 'final beta', not a real meet as that.
(Doesn't it say somewhere that to be quorate / eligible a meet must have
been announced _as_a_meet_ in advance, whereas the first Delft one - even
though it was reported - was announced as a 'scouting party' or somesuch?)
Hope I extricated myself fairly this way :-)
Michael The Roach Janszen
On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:48:05 GMT, sie...@dataweb.nl (Sierra) shook the
Earth by stating:
>On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:46:05 +0100, Anne Kampstra wrote (in response
Now that would be great! Up 'till now, the Dutch meets have all either been
completely lacking in female attendance, or (a single case AFAIK) there
were (three) Merkin ... euhh... female creatures <gdr>.
But let me try to be the first to say:
"Wees hier op alt.fan.pratchett van harte welkom".
(Not bad for a Germ(an), wasn't that?)
Michael The Roach Janszen
On 14 Sep 1997 13:13:06 GMT, ti...@iaehv.nl (Tim T.) shook the Earth by
stating:
>
>
>Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 08:32:36 GMT
> How come you are awake at this time
Hmm... 8:32? Oh, GMT, that makes it ... let's see... 10:32 local. Seeing
that I got home about 2ish, slept my usual 6.5 hours, and spent 1 hour
writing the report, I can only wonder...
What happened in the missing hour?
>In article <341b8d6...@news.lspace.org>,
> ro...@earthling.netz (Michael "The Roach" Janszen) writes:
>>
>> ClareCraft figures were admired (Esp. Death of Rats and the
>> Librarian)
> And a big thank you to Fonz, who painted them for me.. Elton, if you
> ever need painters for special collectors editions, Fonz is the man
> you want.
I completely forgot to mention 'Death of Rats Onna Stick' - someone had put
a toothpich through a conveniently placed opening in Death's head...
>> Singing was perpetrated - mostly passively (6), but 'When I'm 64' was heard
>> from the afp dinner table a well.
> Ermmm.. that was not singing....
I beg to differ. (I was involved, too!...)
Eelco Giele
Michael "The Roach" Janszen <ro...@earthling.netz> wrote:
> On 14 Sep 1997 13:13:06 GMT, ti...@iaehv.nl (Tim T.) shook the Earth by
> stating:
> >
> >
> >Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 08:32:36 GMT
> > How come you are awake at this time
> Hmm... 8:32? Oh, GMT, that makes it ... let's see... 10:32 local. Seeing
> that I got home about 2ish, slept my usual 6.5 hours, and spent 1 hour
> writing the report, I can only wonder...
> What happened in the missing hour?
Congratulations, you just discovered an l-space warp in a newsnet
group. :) Probably the mo^H^H ape moved stumbled across it and it got
displaced in time.
> >In article <341b8d6...@news.lspace.org>,
> > ro...@earthling.netz (Michael "The Roach" Janszen) writes:
> >>
> >> ClareCraft figures were admired (Esp. Death of Rats and the
> >> Librarian)
> > And a big thank you to Fonz, who painted them for me.. Elton, if you
> > ever need painters for special collectors editions, Fonz is the man
> > you want.
> I completely forgot to mention 'Death of Rats Onna Stick' - someone had put
> a toothpich through a conveniently placed opening in Death's head...
And there will be a picture of it. As soon as I have them developed
and scanned.
> >> Singing was perpetrated - mostly passively (6), but 'When I'm 64' was heard
> >> from the afp dinner table a well.
> > Ermmm.. that was not singing....
> I beg to differ. (I was involved, too!...)
And I remember a (very few) seconds of End of the world by REM.
> Michael "The Roach" Janszen (AFP NLMeet reporter)
Greetings, Eelco
Jeroen Burger
> On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 08:32:36 GMT, ro...@earthling.netz (Michael "The
> Roach" Janszen) wrote:
>
> >With NL 5.0 the NLmeets returned back to their roots - not only was this
> >the fist time a town saw a repeat meet, there also once more was not a
>What do you mean? I distinctly remember going to two Delft meets[1].
>
> [1] Should have been 3, but one wasn't properly announced.
>
Ah, but one was only a Beta version.
(what third one, by the way?)
Jeroen B.
Jeroen Burger.
- mailto:J.Bur...@bk.tudelft.nl -
Cybercat
>On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 18:30:12 GMT, cybe...@introweb.nl (Cybercat)
>wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 08:32:36 GMT, ro...@earthling.netz (Michael "The
>> Roach" Janszen) wrote:
>>
>> >With NL 5.0 the NLmeets returned back to their roots - not only was this
>> >the fist time a town saw a repeat meet, there also once more was not a
>
>>What do you mean? I distinctly remember going to two Delft meets[1].
>>
>> [1] Should have been 3, but one wasn't properly announced.
>>
>Ah, but one was only a Beta version.
>
So? A Beta version meet is still a meet, just like a beta version of a
computer program is still a computer program.
>(what third one, by the way?)
>
The one we had the day before the CCDE, but it doesn't count as it
didn't pass afpa quickly enough (or should I say because it was sent
to afpa too late?)
Helen Highwater
In article <5vgnt2$f...@dibbler.iaehv.nl> ti...@iaehv.nl "Tim T." writes:
snnip
>
> > "There's no such thing as a free launch" (TimT)
> Stolen from somewhere... I'm ashamed to admit I don't remember
> where. Anyone ?
>
Could it be a paraphrase? I was reminded of
'...the Potent Voyager, a sort of neolithic spaceship built and pushed
over the edge by the astronomer-priests of Krull, which is conveniently
situated on the very rim of the world and proves, whatever people say,
that there /is/ such a thing as a free launch.'
Can't remember where it came from:)
(OK, TLF p 6 Corgi pb)
--
Helen Highwater
"I think I may be able to metabolise alcohol".(RM)
Peter Bleackley
In freefall (Helen Highwater) writes:
|> > > "There's no such thing as a free launch" (TimT)
|> > Stolen from somewhere... I'm ashamed to admit I don't remember
|> > where. Anyone ?
|> '...the Potent Voyager, a sort of neolithic spaceship built and pushed
|> over the edge by the astronomer-priests of Krull, which is conveniently
|> situated on the very rim of the world and proves, whatever people say,
|> that there /is/ such a thing as a free launch.'
A few months ago, a set of 4 satellites called the Cluster mission,
designed to study the interaction of the saolar wind with the Earth's
magnetic field, were put onboard thhe new Arianne 5 launch vehicle for
their flight into orbit. Because this was the first test-firing of an
Arianne 5, the usual payload charges were waived. Unfortunately, due
to a malfunction in the guidance system during the launch, the
controllers were forced to fire the rocket's self-destruct charges,
destroying Cluster in the process.
And the moral of this story is,
There's no such thing as a free launch.
--
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Daleks! Repent of your evil ways, and live in peace as plumbers!
X-Ray Astronomy Group University of Leicester
p...@star.le.ac.uk ~ Website coming soon
Anne Kampstra
Alan Connell <alan.c...@ces-cdr.beer> wrote:
> I do recall being at
> an afpmeet in Amsterdam last August. <Checks old
> diary> [1]. Yup. 11 August 1996. There were a
> bunch from England over.
Around that time I got my modem as a present, because I broke my ankle.
More accurately: a car broke my ankle, by bumping into me . So even if I
had been aware of the existence of this newsgroup (which I wasn't, I
found it by accident (1) in September), I wouldn't have been able to
join you. Oh well, maybe I go to Nijmegen, if the traffic lets me. It
does seem to be the fastest way to instant fame...
(1) I accidentally opened the newsgroup, in the sense of: having no clue
about what I was doing, which happens quite often, and seems to be an
excellent way to get what I want, although I must admit that I'm
sometimes a bit puzzled about what I seem to want...
Anne Kampstra
-- "They're funny things, Accidents. You never have them till you're
having them." - Eeyore, The House At Pooh Corner--
Martin Julian DeMello
Helen Highwater (hel...@drutt.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: snnip
: >
: > > "There's no such thing as a free launch" (TimT)
: > Stolen from somewhere... I'm ashamed to admit I don't remember
: > where. Anyone ?
: >
: Could it be a paraphrase? I was reminded of
: '...the Potent Voyager, a sort of neolithic spaceship built and pushed
: over the edge by the astronomer-priests of Krull, which is conveniently
: situated on the very rim of the world and proves, whatever people say,
: that there /is/ such a thing as a free launch.'
: Can't remember where it came from:)
: (OK, TLF p 6 Corgi pb)
Heinlein used the phrase a lot, even promoting it to an acronym in "The
moon is a harsh mistress". No idea whether he invented it though. (I
think Niven used it once or twice, but he may have been referring back to
Heinlein)
--
Martin DeMello
Remove the sep_field from my address to reply
Jeroen Metselaar
Tim T. <ti...@iaehv.nl> wrote in article <600tjm$p...@dibbler.iaehv.nl>...
> [1] Ok... in my defence: I'd only read Strata once, when it first came
> out.. Besides, it was in another country, and the thread is dead..
>
No it isn't Tim. Remember:
A.F.P. Law 1:
Treads Never Die, They Only Have Their Subject Changed
'Twas a nice meet btw
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Jeroen G. 'He once bought an apple' Metselaar
Hazerswoude, The Netherlands, Europe
afpurity=72% (WOW!!) http://www.pi.net/~jgmetsel/home.htm
assault and battery included
---------------that's all folks--------------------------------------------
Adam Jones
Recently, Tim T. amused an FBI wiretap squad thusly:
[Of the Barometer Thread]
> Besides, it was in another country, and the thread is dead..
Such fools these mortals be...
<fx: maniacal cackling>
(I'm sure I've still got my archive of the results of the last outbreak)
--
Adam Jones (Ad...@yggdrasl.demon.co.uk) (http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~mauei/)
Tim T.
In article <874441...@drutt.demon.co.uk>,
hel...@drutt.demon.co.uk (Helen Highwater) writes:
> In article <5vgnt2$f...@dibbler.iaehv.nl> ti...@iaehv.nl "Tim T." writes:
>
> snnip
>>
>> where. Anyone ?
>>
> Could it be a paraphrase? I was reminded of
>
> '...the Potent Voyager, a sort of neolithic spaceship built and pushed
> over the edge by the astronomer-priests of Krull, which is conveniently
> situated on the very rim of the world and proves, whatever people say,
> that there /is/ such a thing as a free launch.'
>
> Can't remember where it came from:)
>
> (OK, TLF p 6 Corgi pb)
You know, this sort of thing happens to me all the time.. I
remember my first posting on afp, in a discussion on towers and
barometers.. many, many moons before (there have been many
incarnations of this thread, I believe.) and posting something
along the lines of "why don't you give the barometer to the
janitor, and ask him how high the building is." [1]
Proves to me how thoroughly I've assimilated the books.. I can't
even tell that I'm quoting, most of the time.
TimT of afp: "Your books have been assimilated"
[1] Ok... in my defence: I'd only read Strata once, when it first came
out.. Besides, it was in another country, and the thread is dead..
Jayne Gleed
Tim T. <ti...@iaehv.nl> wrote in article <600tjm$p...@dibbler.iaehv.nl>...
> In article <874441...@drutt.demon.co.uk>,
> hel...@drutt.demon.co.uk (Helen Highwater) writes:
> > In article <5vgnt2$f...@dibbler.iaehv.nl> ti...@iaehv.nl "Tim T." writes:
> >
> > snnip
> >>
> >> > "There's no such thing as a free launch" (TimT)
> >> Stolen from somewhere... I'm ashamed to admit I don't remember
> >> where. Anyone ?
> >>
I'm not sure if any body has answered you yet but the correct phrase is
"there aint no such thing as a free lunch" or TANSTAAFL for short and it
comes from Larry Niven's Know Space series.
J. Gleed
--
*Remember, no matter where you go, there you are*
- B.Banzai
o dai wai
Jayne Gleed:
>I'm not sure if any body has answered you yet but the correct phrase is
>"there aint no such thing as a free lunch" or TANSTAAFL for short and it
>comes from Larry Niven's Know Space series.
Hardly, but I can see where the confusion can creep in.
TANSTAAFL comes from "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" by Robert A Heinein.
He may have used it in earlier works, but that's where I first came
across.
The phrase which Niven uses in his Known Space series is There Ain't No
Justice or TANJ.
The SF-Lover's site at http://sflovers.rutgers.edu (I think) should
contain pointers to FAQs and quotefiles for both of these fine authors.
If not, then a web search for either name should bring up *a* *lot* of
websites for both.
Hoping that this is useful information.
boomshanka,
--
/ O Dai Wai - The Gurning Idiot Formerly Known As Dave O'Brien \
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Iwan Lamble
In article <342a7863....@news.lspace.org>, o dai wai <postmaster@d
iaspoir.demon.co.uk> writes
>The phrase which Niven uses in his Known Space series is There Ain't No
>Justice or TANJ.
<fx:jumping up an down pointing>
Soul Music, cartoon, video 1:
Ysabell to Death:
'Your right, there 'aint no justice, there's only you.'
--
Iwan Lamble
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Unofficial APF Extras at http://www.lamble.demon.co.uk/annotat.htm
Martin Julian DeMello
o dai wai (postm...@diaspoir.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: Jayne Gleed:
: >I'm not sure if any body has answered you yet but the correct phrase is
: >comes from Larry Niven's Know Space series.
: Hardly, but I can see where the confusion can creep in.
: TANSTAAFL comes from "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" by Robert A Heinein.
: He may have used it in earlier works, but that's where I first came
: across.
: The phrase which Niven uses in his Known Space series is There Ain't No
: Justice or TANJ.
ISTR Niven using TANSTAAFL in one or two short stories (probably in the
Inconstant Moon collection) I think he was following Heinlein, though.
Iwan Lamble
In article <tjyxGBA4...@lamble.demon.co.uk>, Iwan Lamble
<iw...@lamble.demon.co.uk> writes
>>Justice or TANJ.
>
>
>Soul Music, cartoon, video 1:
>
> Ysabell to Death:
>
> 'Your right, there 'aint no justice, there's only you.'
<hitting himself for not re-reading Mort two days earlier>
This was not in SM the book, but in Mort, lots and lots of times. Duh!
Some of the SM cartoon has been taken from Mort and didn't appear in SM
the book (including the old man giving all the money to the cat). I
wonder what they will do if the animate Mort?
Mike Putnam
In article <kRqTKbAX...@lamble.demon.co.uk>, Iwan Lamble
<iw...@lamble.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>Some of the SM cartoon has been taken from Mort and didn't appear in SM
>the book (including the old man giving all the money to the cat). I
>wonder what they will do if the animate Mort?
>
sure I agree. For instance, the old man gave the money to the cat on
p76 of SM hardback, not Mort. The Mort flashback is in SM the book as
well. Can you be more specific?
--
Mike Putnam
Windsor, UK
Iwan Lamble
In article <fglZeFAX...@mikeput.demon.co.uk>, Mike Putnam
<mi...@mikeput.demon.co.uk> writes
The Mort flash back in Soul Music (p.147 p/b) only contains two lines by
Death (in the flashback bit):
NO. I CANNOT BE BIDDEN. I CANNOT BE FORCED. I CAN ONLY DO THAT WHICH I
KNOW TO BE RIGHT...
YOU DON'T KNOW HOW SORRY THIS MAKES ME.
The line 'You're right. There's no justice. There's just you.' (p.214
Mort h/b and in the cartoon) is not there in SM.
As for the old man giving money to the cat, I thought it was SM too
originally (and since you have the reference you're probably right) I
can't find it in the p/b version of Mort but on page 23 of the Mort Big
Comic, and I quote, 'One hundred and seven. Not bad, eh, up yours
*boney*... You wait 'till that *soppy* lot find out i've left *all* me
money to the cat' (not sure why so much is stressed).
Actually now I've found that I can probably find the Mort reference.
Hang on... Nope. If it's in Mort it's not where it should be. Prehaps
Pterry inserted the scene into the comic to fill up some space?
Dick Eney
In article <iaGiIIAg...@lamble.demon.co.uk>,
Iwan Lamble <iw...@lamble.demon.co.uk> wrote:
<snip>
>As for the old man giving money to the cat, I thought it was SM too
>originally (and since you have the reference you're probably right) I
>can't find it in the p/b version of Mort but on page 23 of the Mort Big
>Comic, and I quote, 'One hundred and seven. Not bad, eh, up yours
>*boney*... You wait 'till that *soppy* lot find out i've left *all* me
>money to the cat' (not sure why so much is stressed).
>
>Actually now I've found that I can probably find the Mort reference.
>Hang on... Nope. If it's in Mort it's not where it should be. Prehaps
>Pterry inserted the scene into the comic to fill up some space?
The old man and the cat was definitely in SM. IIRC, the Death of Rats
kicked the cat, and DoR didn't exist in M.
=Tamar (sharing computer dick...@access.digex.net)