"Dangerous and Violent" 70-year-old Lawn Lady Cops a Deal
Dave Adalian
Woman takes plea deal in lousy lawn case
Sat Feb 9, 7:28 AM ET
OREM, Utah - When 70-year-old Betty Perry was accused of neglecting her
lawn, she became defiant.
Perry was arrested, handcuffed and briefly jailed in July for declining a
ticket for failing to water her lawn.
She agreed on Friday to resolve her case by pleading guilty to a disorderly
conduct charge and paying a $100 fine. She also faces six months of
probation.
Perry was scheduled to go to trial Monday on a more serious charge of
resisting arrest for refusing to give her name, accept a citation or allow
herself to be handcuffed on her front steps.
"She ends up with a sentence that is very minimal and shouldn't intrude
terribly on her day-to-day life," prosecutor Andrew Peterson said. "For our
part, it accomplishes what we set out to accomplish from the very
beginning."
Peterson said he was planning to drop the lawn neglect charge anyway because
Perry has started taking care of her lawn. But it was important for the city
to get a conviction for Perry's "dangerous and violent" actions following an
officer's attempt to cite her, he said.
During a struggle with officer Jim Flygare, Perry fell, injured her nose,
rolled onto her stomach and put her hands under her to foil a handcuffing.
Her lawyers didn't return phone or e-mail messages Friday from The
Associated Press.
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Weatherlawyer
I sometimes wonder why a nation as sophisticated as the USA could have
voted for a chimpanzee, then I read something like this.
Geoff Field
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080209/ap_on_fe_st/odd_lousy_lawn
>
> Woman takes plea deal in lousy lawn case
> Sat Feb 9, 7:28 AM ET
> Perry was arrested, handcuffed and briefly jailed in July for
> declining a ticket for failing to water her lawn.
Over here in south-eastern XXXXia, we can actually get fined
for *NOT* failing to water our lawn.
We've had some rain, but we're still under severe water restrictions.
Geoff
--
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Professional Geek,
Amateur Stage-Levelling Gauge
Dave Adalian
news:47b03305$0$24086$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
> Dave Adalian wrote:
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080209/ap_on_fe_st/odd_lousy_lawn
>>
>> Woman takes plea deal in lousy lawn case
>> Sat Feb 9, 7:28 AM ET
> [snip]
>> Perry was arrested, handcuffed and briefly jailed in July for
>> declining a ticket for failing to water her lawn.
>
> Over here in south-eastern XXXXia, we can actually get fined
> for *NOT* failing to water our lawn.
>
> We've had some rain, but we're still under severe water restrictions.
>
I posted this as a follow-up to the original report of the woman's arrest,
which caused quite a lot of debate when it was posted here. I live in the
American southwest, an area known for its arid climate, yet I live in a
fairly wet area, a flood plane actually.
Weatherlawyer
<dave.adal...@PLZNOSPAMsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> I live in the American southwest, an area known for its arid climate, yet I live in a
Actually a flood plain isn't necessarily a sign of a wet area, just a
pan that periodically fills with run off. Bonneville and Lake Eyre are
flood plains.
John Wilkins
That's a plane that occasionally floods in wet weather? In flight or on
the ground?
</mindless pedantry>
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Philosophy
University of Queensland - Blog: scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts
"He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor,
bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."
Orjan Westin
> Dave Adalian <dave.a...@PLZNOSPAMsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I posted this as a follow-up to the original report of the woman's
>> arrest, which caused quite a lot of debate when it was posted here.
>> I live in the American southwest, an area known for its arid
>> climate, yet I live in a fairly wet area, a flood plane actually.
>
> That's a plane that occasionally floods in wet weather? In flight or
> on the ground?
>
> </mindless pedantry>
Coming soon - "Lakes on a Plane"
Orjan
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http://tale.cunobaros.com/
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http://www.cunobaros.com/
April Goodwin-Smith
> John Wilkins wrote:
>> Dave Adalian wrote:
>>> <snip> yet I live in a fairly wet area, a flood plane actually.
>> That's a plane that occasionally floods in wet weather?
>> In flight or on the ground?
>> </mindless pedantry>
>
> Coming soon - "Lakes on a Plane"
>
*snertle*
I'd pay actual money to see that one, *especially* if it
was written by the Tale crew.
April.
John Wilkins
Get these motherflooding lakes off this motherflooding plane!
Weatherlawyer
wrote:
A 1980's phenomenon grounded by British Airways and Pratt and Whitney
maintenance standards. (Though his jets used RR engines, they were
falling out of the sky at an alarming rate which put people off.)
Laker died broken but fondly remembered. Much hate to BA who tried
similar tactics on Virgin Airlines. Even stymied Branson's other
efforts with bribes to the government if I am any judge of them.
Then Alice C. wossisname took over the BBC and we now have
Pleasantvile USA to stand in for progress. So much for Tory BLiar and
Thatcherism.
No one wants to go to the USA these days and the USA won't let them in
anyway but are grateful for the application data, ta very.
Weatherlawyer
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:20:46 -0800, "Dave Adalian"
>
> <dave.adal...@PLZNOSPAMsbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > I live in the American southwest, an area known for its arid climate,
>
>
> My word, Pratchett does get around, do you read it in Spanish or English?
What a superbly chauvinist post. I take my hat off you, you hat
thieving jingoid!
David Chapman
> That's a plane that occasionally floods in wet weather? In flight or on
> the ground?
Of course. Why do you think there's a restriction on the quantity of liquid
you can take aboard?
Daniel Orner
How on earth is that chauvinist?
Weatherlawyer
I believe the name is derived from Chauvin a famous nationalist. He
was severely wounded and disfigured. Parodies later indicated he was
suffering from shell shock too.
You can call it post traumatic stress disorder if you like.
Vilified for his heroism, his name is now a parody. The ultimate one
being the racial slur "Cheese eating surrender monkey" a phrase
doggedly reiterated by people who stay far away from any confrontation
they are capable of losing.
Not that I am accusing you of being a Repubignant rabble rouser
potentiate for a lynch mob.
Weatherlawyer
> potentiate for a lynch mob.
Him I mean
Daniel Orner
Sorry, I'm still totally missing this. It sounds like so much gibberish
to me. What does chauvinism have to do with asking whether a Pratchett
fan is reading him in one of the two langauges most commonly spoken in
the country in question?
Orjan Westin
Maybe it was irony, as it wasn't chauvunistic enough to assume that
"American southwest" must refer to "USAmerican southwest"?
Orjan Westin
I have to confess I'm getting somewhat morbidly curious about what you'll
say next, as it often seems to have but a vague, passing relevance to what
you are replying to, or indeed anything at all.
Maybe I'm just not refined enough to understand and appreciate the
undoubtedly profound implications?
Daniel Orner
Sheesh, I completely missed the very top of this post. X-X I feel very
silly.[1]
Still, regardless of how ironic it is, I doubt the word "chauvinistic"
can be applied to it.
[1] Or possibly a "right ponce". See, Oi speek Britishese!
Alec Cawley
In this case, you have missed a rather witty, though obscure, point. The
subject being "Lakes on a plane", reference was made to Freddie Laker
(geddit?), who tried to start what we would now call a budget airline,
Skytrain, in the 1980s. He was effectively shot down by the British
government; he later gave Branson advice which helped a lot in startiing
Virgin Atlantic, and is spiritual grandfather to Easyjet and Ryanair.
Elliott Grasett
<snip>
>
> I believe the name is derived from Chauvin a famous nationalist. He
> was severely wounded and disfigured. Parodies later indicated he was
> suffering from shell shock too.
>
> You can call it post traumatic stress disorder if you like.
>
> Vilified for his heroism, . . .
I doubt that he was vilified. He was certainly mocked for his habit
of declaring: "Je suis Chauvin; je suis français."
> . . . his name is now a parody.
No, his name has been taken to refer to a peculiar, and offensive,
kind of alleged patriotism
--
Cheers,
Elliott
Weatherlawyer
I forget who the original poster was and the one to whom I should be
referring but the gist was that the responder I was replying to had
assumed that the poster was a native of Chile not Peru or somewhere
else and was incapable of understanding the Queen's English.
Unfortunately the term Chauvinist has come to mean whatever the user
of the term thinks it means and more, the reader or hearer of the
phrase thinks it means.
Misogynism is one frame of reference it is commonly mistaken for.
One might argue that I was misusing it instead of using the term
racist but I was leery of using that pejorative, whereas the term
Chauvinist might be taken more lightly.
It wasn't my intention to insult.
Weatherlawyer
His name was villified and is now a parody of its original meaning.
Napoleon was once asked about France and famously replied I am France.
If Chauvin actually roamed the planet spouting "Je suis Chauvin; je
suis français." he was indeed in sore straits.
If however he once said it in good humour/and in parody of Napoleon,
it might be safe to say that the saying was a form of vilification
quoted by his tormentors ever after.
Sadly the poor quality historicity of the man and the events in his
life is only now becoming clear and the history being rewritten.
Which brings us nicely to the arrogance of the evil cop who battered a
little old lady for not watering her lawn in the land of the brave and
home of the decidedly not free.
I would have said he was a chauvinist, when in fact he most certainly
was not. Have they sacked him yet, anyone know?
Or have they appointed him commander in chief of GITMO? I imagine he'd
fit right in. Till the summoning dark gets him.
Chris Zakes
<sigh> As somebody pointed out a couple of days ago, "America" when
referring to a country means the United States of America. Not Los
Estados Unidos de Mexico, or the Dominion of Canada, nor any of the
various countries in Central or South America. Mocking us for the name
that has evolved for our country is, at best silly and at worst rather
rude.
Should we start calling the folks in England "West European
Islanders"? or those in Scandanavia "North Europeans"? and those in
France "Somewhat-Western Europeans, but not as Western as the folks in
the West European Islands"?
Alternatively, we could just assume that Europe is all one country
(which certainly seems to be the direction it's heading) and not
bother with names like England, Norway or France.
-Chris Zakes
Texas
Well, if you're going to have a circus, you've got to have elephants.
-Jubal Harshaw in "Stranger in a Strange Land" by Robert Heinlein
Arthur Hagen
> Weatherlawyer wrote:
[chauvinism]
>
>> . . . his name is now a parody.
>
> No, his name has been taken to refer to a peculiar, and offensive,
> kind of alleged patriotism
Is there any other kind?
--
*Art
Len Oil
> Should we start calling the folks in England "West European
> Islanders"?
Apart from the fact that a lot of Scots, Irish[1] and Welsh would at
best roll their eyes at such a faux-pas?
Never mind the Manx, Scilonians, Faroese, arguably a proportion of
Icelandics, perhaps a dozen or more French communities along with the
inhabitants of eight Channel Isles, those living on all but (IIRC) two
of the Azores, etc, etc, and perhaps those on Gibraltar (unless counted
more as Southern Europe in a four-way split), in which case Sicilians,
Sardinians, Corsicans and Maltese could probably also be included as
Western (as opposed to Eastern in single-axis division). Unless you
wanted to be more accurate and state "North-West European Islands" which
/still/ needs a few of the above caveats imposing.
(Noting that I've already grouped such as the trans-Menaian peoples with
the potentially aggrieved Welsh, the various Hebridian and Orkadian and
Zetland peoples in with the offended Scots[2]), Father Ted & his ilk
with one set of Irish or another ([3]) and acknowledging that I've
missed quite a few out, notwithstanding that I've completely ignored
anything clockwise from the UK, including the prominent island chains of
the Netherlands.)
Essentially, nobody[4] is saying that the term "Americans" isn't quite
often /thought/ to refer solely to the peoples of the USA[5] (and the
terms "USAnians", "USAliens", "Leftpondians" and "Merkins" [6] thus not
merely pedantic redefinitions that allow those people of the Maple Leaf,
Dahlia, Cigar, Condor, Jaguar, Cinchona, etc, to be recognised as
sovereign nationals of non-USA countries rather than mere 'continental
extras' on the world stage), but in the end Verspucci (or, indeed,
Richard ap Merick or any of the other theoretical grandfather
inspirations for the term) came about long before there was an tussle
with tea at Griffin's Wharf[7]. ;)
> Alternatively, we could just assume that Europe is all one country
> (which certainly seems to be the direction it's heading) and not
> bother with names like England, Norway or France.
Well, that depends, but if we shouldn't bother about those names then...
> -Chris Zakes
> Texas
...you better change that .sig to get rid of such a petty regional
localisation that doesn't mean anything anywhere near as important. ;)
[1] Republican and loyalist, alike, regardless of their physical locale.
[2] Being a Sassenach, I'm already beyond the pale and so such an error
of judgement should not be significantly more so. ;)
[3] Whereas the caulkheads of White and various other far smaller
communities /would/ identify as English, at least if pushed. ;)
[4] FCVO
[5] As opposed to the various other "United States" in the Americas, of
course.
[6] These latter two, frankly, suffering from the same problems as
"Americans", and the second may or may not be used/taken in bad faith by
some.
[7] Which is not to say that the colonists did not consider themselves
"American" before then, but there were a number of "American colonies"
of various Old World nations, and not all of them eventually subsumed
into the area currently overseen by the guy residing at 1600
Pennsylvania Avenue. ;)
Weatherlawyer
consulting.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:18:41 -0500, Daniel Orner wrote:
> > Sorry, I'm still totally missing this. It sounds like so much gibberish
>
> Best place for it is the bozo bin. Trying to reason with it brings only
> confusion.
Septick A Lesserman Septick uh Americane
Jeff Howell
> On Feb 12, 6:53 pm, "Orjan Westin" <nos...@cunobaros.com> wrote:
>> Maybe it was irony, as it wasn't chauvunistic enough to assume that
>> "American southwest" must refer to "USAmerican southwest"?
>
> I forget who the original poster was and the one to whom I should be
> referring but the gist was that the responder I was replying to had
> assumed that the poster was a native of Chile not Peru or somewhere
> else and was incapable of understanding the Queen's English.
Of course, as you well know, it was a joke (though perhaps not a very
good one) and he listed both Spanish and English as possible languages
in which a Chilean read the books... So perhaps your followup jab
didn't quite hit the mark?
> Unfortunately the term Chauvinist has come to mean whatever the user
> of the term thinks it means and more, the reader or hearer of the
> phrase thinks it means.
>
> Misogynism is one frame of reference it is commonly mistaken for.
>
> One might argue that I was misusing it instead of using the term
> racist but I was leery of using that pejorative, whereas the term
> Chauvinist might be taken more lightly.
>
> It wasn't my intention to insult.
Welcome to the Internet, where everybody is misunderstood all the time.
I keep waiting for the technology to detect author intent in text, but
it seems to be very slow in coming.
--
Jeff
Daniel Orner
A big step towards it is called "an emoticon". Also known as a
"smiley". They've been around for ages. We should try them sometime.
Daibhid Ceanaideach
> [3] Whereas the caulkheads of White and various other far smaller
> communities /would/ identify as English, at least if pushed. ;)
If residents of the Isle of Wight were pushed, they'd identify
themselves as "in need of a lifebelt"...
--
Dave
"I thought Billie Piper was an oil rig."
-Sandi Toksvig, The News Quiz
Jeff Howell
> Jeff Howell wrote:
>> Weatherlawyer wrote:
>>> It wasn't my intention to insult.
>>
>> Welcome to the Internet, where everybody is misunderstood all the
>> time. I keep waiting for the technology to detect author intent in
>> text, but it seems to be very slow in coming.
>>
>
> A big step towards it is called "an emoticon". Also known as a
> "smiley". They've been around for ages. We should try them sometime.
I do, occasionally. But they can be overdone fairly easily and can take
the place of actual attempts at conversation, which is unfortunate.
--
Jeff
Jeff Howell
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:58:30 -0800 (PST), Weatherlawyer
> <Weathe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In you original post you said (and I quote)
>> I live in the American southwest, an area known for its arid climate,
>
> "I line in the southwest of the USA, an area known for it's arid climate"
> then why didn't you.
>
> Nothing chauvinistic about my comment, I don't care where you live and from
> your comments I see that you don't know where you live.
>
> :-)
Except of course that if you say 'America', the vast majority of people
are going to think of the USA, not of the continents of North and South
America. After all, what do you call citizens of the USA if not
'Americans'?
--
Jeff
Alec Cawley
Yes. The unnassuming kind which decides that however much one may,
indeed, love one's country, it is a private matter about which there is
no need to inform the world.
Arthur Hagen
>
> Except of course that if you say 'America', the vast majority of
> people are going to think of the USA, not of the continents of North
> and South America. After all, what do you call citizens of the USA
> if not 'Americans'?
"Fat"?
Regards,
--
*Art
Daniel Orner
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:58:30 -0800 (PST), Weatherlawyer
> <Weathe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> referring but the gist was that the responder I was replying to had
>> assumed that the poster was a native of Chile not Peru or somewhere
>> else and was incapable of understanding the Queen's English.
>>
>> Unfortunately the term Chauvinist has come to mean whatever the user
>> of the term thinks it means and more, the reader or hearer of the
>> phrase thinks it means.
>>
>> Misogynism is one frame of reference it is commonly mistaken for.
>>
>> One might argue that I was misusing it instead of using the term
>> racist but I was leery of using that pejorative, whereas the term
>> Chauvinist might be taken more lightly.
>>
>> It wasn't my intention to insult.
>
> In you original post you said (and I quote)
>
> "I line in the southwest of the USA, an area known for it's arid climate"
> then why didn't you.
>
> Nothing chauvinistic about my comment, I don't care where you live and from
> your comments I see that you don't know where you live.
There's nothing chauvinistic about it, but it shows a (possibly wilful)
disregard for the most common use of the term "American". This is the
first time I've ever heard the word used for residents of the South
American continent.
>
> :-)
>
> Richard
> Web pages: http://www.caravanningnow.co.uk/ for caravanning,
> http://www.rcole.org/ for my personal web site and
> http://www.homeindorset.co.uk because I love the email address.
Daibhid Ceanaideach
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:37:16 -0500, Jeff Howell
> <notan...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>Except of course that if you say 'America', the vast majority of
>>people are going to think of the USA, not of the continents of North
>>and South America. After all, what do you call citizens of the USA if
>>not 'Americans'?
> Mainly I call them Merkins, but Weatherlawyer wrote that he lived 'in
> the American southwest' which, to me, refers to the continent rather
> than any particular country.
No he didn't. Dave Adalian did. In the post to which you replied concerning
the accusation of chauvinism, Weatherlawyer says he's forgotten who made
the original post. (In fact, rereading his posts, I get the distinct
impression Weatherlawyer really was assuming the original poster was from
South America, based on your post.)
Orjan Westin
> Richard Cole wrote:
>>
>> To me (a Britain) a southwestern American is a Chilean. If you meant
>> to say "I line in the southwest of the USA, an area known for it's
>> arid climate" then why didn't you.
>>
>> Nothing chauvinistic about my comment, I don't care where you live
>> and from your comments I see that you don't know where you live.
>
> There's nothing chauvinistic about it, but it shows a (possibly
> wilful) disregard for the most common use of the term "American".
> This is the first time I've ever heard the word used for residents of
> the South American continent.
I think the original use referred to geography, not nationality. "American
southwest" is a location, and whether it's the continent(s) or the
(colloquial) nation that is meant is IMO in that case more ambigious.
Chris Zakes
caused Richard Cole <isp...@hotmail.com.invalid> to write:
>On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:37:16 -0500, Jeff Howell
><notan...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>Mainly I call them Merkins, but Weatherlawyer wrote that he lived 'in the
>American southwest' which, to me, refers to the continent rather than any
>particular country.
>
>Richard
Which is *still* wrong--or at least confusing--if you don't specify
North America or South America.
-Chris Zakes
Texas
I came up here for a party, and what happens? Nothing! Not even ice cream. The
gods looked down and laughed. This would be a better world for children if the
parents had to eat the spinach.
-Groucho Marx, "Animal Crackers"
The Stainless Steel Cat
Daniel Orner <webm...@ffcompendium.com> wrote:
>Jeff Howell wrote:
>> Welcome to the Internet, where everybody is misunderstood all the time.
>> I keep waiting for the technology to detect author intent in text, but
>> it seems to be very slow in coming.
>
> A big step towards it is called "an emoticon". Also known as a
>"smiley". They've been around for ages. We should try them sometime.
afp did the whole smiley thing many, many years ago. Eventually it became
regarded as a crutch for people who were unable to sufficiently convey
their meaning through words and sentence structure alone.
OTOH, the ASCII art (notably about roundabout configurations) died out
through external forces - the prevalence of non-fixed-width fonts.
Cat.
--
Jazz-Loving Soul Mate and Tolerable Frog to CCA
"I *am* playing all the right notes. Just not necessarily in the right
order."
Eric Morecambe
Daniel Orner
> In article <fov202$2v79$3...@mud.stack.nl>,
> Daniel Orner <webm...@ffcompendium.com> wrote:
>
>> Jeff Howell wrote:
>>> Welcome to the Internet, where everybody is misunderstood all the time.
>>> I keep waiting for the technology to detect author intent in text, but
>>> it seems to be very slow in coming.
>> A big step towards it is called "an emoticon". Also known as a
>> "smiley". They've been around for ages. We should try them sometime.
>
> afp did the whole smiley thing many, many years ago. Eventually it became
> regarded as a crutch for people who were unable to sufficiently convey
> their meaning through words and sentence structure alone.
>
> OTOH, the ASCII art (notably about roundabout configurations) died out
> through external forces - the prevalence of non-fixed-width fonts.
>
> Cat.
There's a happy medium, surely. Using emoticons to indicate sarcasm or
irony in a sentence where it would be difficult to detect would be an
appropriate use.
I personally use them all the time. I'm a very physically
expressionistic person[1] and my online communication seems very stilted
without being able to use facial expressions. Emoticons help alleviate
that shortcoming somewhat.
[1] That phrase sounds awful and is probably dead wrong. Basically I
mean that I have a lot of recognizable facial expressions and use them
to good effect to indicate meaning, often without needing words.
John Wilkins
I'm a gesticulator. Where are the emoticons for hand waving?
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Philosophy
University of Queensland - Blog: scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts
"He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor,
bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."
Elliott Grasett
I am not going to watch either of you on U-tube.
--
Cheers,
Elliott
Daniel Orner
We should create some, definitely. That would be really good. Maybe
<--.--> for hand waving from side to side, and ^--.--^ for waving them
in the air (although the latter looks like a cat face).
And of course there's V-.-V
Daniel Orner
Never asked you to.
Um... what?
Eric Jarvis
j.wil...@uq.edu.au says...
>
> I'm a gesticulator. Where are the emoticons for hand waving?
>
Down the back of the bookshelf. I think somebody may have knocked them
over when waving their hands around whilst talking.
--
eric
"if a thing's worth doing,
it's worth doing to excess"
Arthur Hagen
>
> There's a happy medium, surely. Using emoticons to indicate sarcasm or
> irony in a sentence where it would be difficult to detect would be an
> appropriate use.
Oh yes, that will improve the irony no end.
Regards,
--
*Art
Arthur Hagen
>
> I'm a gesticulator. Where are the emoticons for hand waving?
..|.
HTH, HAND,
--
*Art
Lesley Weston
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:37:16 -0500, Jeff Howell
> <notan...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> American southwest' which, to me, refers to the continent rather than any
> particular country.
The continent - exactly. He lives in the southwest of the continent of
North America, an area noted for its arid climate. He doesn't live in
the southwest of the continent of South America. If he lived in the
northwest of the continent of North America, the area would be noted for
its rainy climate, the mildness of the temperatures and the extreme
/niceness/ of the inhabitants [1], whereas if he lived in the northwest,
or indeed the southwest, of the continent of South America, the area
would be would be noted for its propensity to having revolutions.
[1] I'm sure Alaskans are just as nice as Canadians.
--
Lesley Weston
The addy above is real, but I won't see anything posted to it for a long
time. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca, adjusting as necessary.
Weatherlawyer
<brightly_coloured_b...@yahoo.co.uk>
>
> whereas if he lived in the north west, or indeed the south west, of the continent
> of South America, the area would be would be noted for its revolutions.
I knew that some one would be talking bananas on here sooner or later.
The original idea was that America is not UnitedSatansAmerica, nor
United Fruit too neither. Why is it that every state in America
outside the United 50 or so are considered aliens by inhabitants of
the USA?
And they say that Americans have no idea of irony!
Pah!
Daniel Orner
Of course it wi... wait a second!
Chris Zakes
laser caused Weatherlawyer <Weathe...@hotmail.com> to write:
>Why is it that every state in America
>outside the United 50 or so are considered aliens by inhabitants of
>the USA?
Because they *are* different countries, with different names,
different governments and (in most cases) different languages. Try
telling a Belgian that he's really French, or a Swiss that he's really
German or an Irishman that he's really English. Maybe then you'll
figure it out.
Arthur Hagen
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:38:01 -0800 (PST), an orbital mind-control
> laser caused Weatherlawyer <Weathe...@hotmail.com> to write:
>
>> Why is it that every state in America
>> outside the United 50 or so are considered aliens by inhabitants of
>> the USA?
>
> Because they *are* different countries, with different names,
> different governments and (in most cases) different languages. Try
> telling a Belgian that he's really French, or a Swiss that he's really
> German or an Irishman that he's really English. Maybe then you'll
> figure it out.
When a Texan thinks of a Mexican or Chilean as not being American, it's more
like someone in Belgium incorrectly thinking a Swiss or Norwegian aren't
European.
And honestly, do you think of yourself as an alien when you visit Mexico, or
as an American? Do you want to be treated as an /alien/ or as an
/American/?
Regards,
--
*Art
steveski
> Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:38:01 -0800 (PST), an orbital mind-control
>> laser caused Weatherlawyer <Weathe...@hotmail.com> to write:
>>
>>> Why is it that every state in America
>>> outside the United 50 or so are considered aliens by inhabitants of
>>> the USA?
>>
>> Because they *are* different countries, with different names,
>> different governments and (in most cases) different languages. Try
>> telling a Belgian that he's really French, or a Swiss that he's really
>> German or an Irishman that he's really English. Maybe then you'll
>> figure it out.
>
> When a Texan thinks of a Mexican or Chilean as not being American, it's
> more like someone in Belgium incorrectly thinking a Swiss or Norwegian
> aren't European.
Erm, my Norwegian family might disagree with that . . . :-)
--
Steveski
Thomas Zahr
...
> Except of course that if you say 'America', the vast
> majority of people are going to think of the USA, not of
> the continents of North and South America. After all, what
> do you call citizens of the USA if not 'Americans'?
Offered as a data point: in .de America in everyday usage has
three meanings, the combo of South and North America, just
North America, and the US, it all depends on context.
Anyway, I read it as quite a good natured joke
--
Ciao
Thomas =:-)
<Hencefort, the afpfavourite of Graycat :o)>
Mary (mks)
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:56:16 -0500, Daniel Orner wrote:
>> There's nothing chauvinistic about it, but it shows a (possibly wilful)
>> disregard for the most common use of the term "American". This is the
>> first time I've ever heard the word used for residents of the South
>> American continent.
> Where I come from, America is used for the whole of the continent, no
> only the landmass ruled by the smirking chimp and his cronies. To the
> North of it is Canada, to the South of it a whole subcontinent.
> incredibly called America too.
> The wonders never cease
India's a subcontinent as well as a country, but no one seems to get the
two confused.
Context should make it perfectly clear when "America" is being used to
mean the country, not the continents, and it's disingenuous to pretend
otherwise.
Perhaps to a tidy mind it seems that a word shouldn't have two meanings,
but that's not the way language works, alas.
-Mary
Daniel Orner
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:56:16 -0500, Daniel Orner wrote:
>> disregard for the most common use of the term "American". This is the
>> first time I've ever heard the word used for residents of the South
>> American continent.
>
>
> Where I come from, America is used for the whole of the continent, no
> only the landmass ruled by the smirking chimp and his cronies. To the
> North of it is Canada, to the South of it a whole subcontinent.
> incredibly called America too.
>
> The wonders never cease
So... you use America to refer to the US and South America, but not
Canada? How does that make any more sense?
Daniel Orner
There's one thing that hasn't been mentioned in this conversation.
Unlike all the other countries in the western hemisphere, the USA is the
only country that has the word "America" in its name. What else would
you call its citizens? USAians? It's cute on Usenet but unwieldy in real
life.
Since "American" is the only suitable word to use for the people who
live in the US, using it for people who live outside the US, referring
to the continent instead of the country, just gets confusing.
Len Oil
> Aleks A.-Lessmann wrote:
>> Where I come from, America is used for the whole of the continent, no
>> only the landmass ruled by the smirking chimp and his cronies. To the
>> North of it is Canada, to the South of it a whole subcontinent.
>> incredibly called America too.
>
> Canada? How does that make any more sense?
IinitiallyRIA "Canada is the Northern-most part of it[1][2]", although a
second reading (because I'd been expecting something like
"Mexico/whatever sits on the Southern-most part of it", but it seemed to
miss that out in the rush to discuss the other (major) American
continental land-mass) revealed it to be a bit less favourably phrased,
I must admit.
However, English being English, and not actually being some people's
native tongue[3], that's still my hypothesis.
[1] It being the N. Am. continent, lest somehow the meaning gets muddled.
[2] And anticipating a cry or two of complaint about forgetting Alaska,
and possibly even that little Danish island over on the other side. ;)
[3] Though, admittedly, most people who speak it well enough as a second
tongue seem to be a lot more accurate about these connections than a
native. Only when there are other obvious errors do those upstart
Johnny Foreigner chappies seem to get as muddled as your average "Yoof
of today". ;)
Free Lunch
Daniel Orner <webm...@ffcompendium.com> wrote in
<fp472s$1nfc$2...@mud.stack.nl>:
Canada is special. It's an honorary member of the USA.
Daniel Orner
Sssh! No one's supposed to know that! Especially no one from Canada!
Elliott Grasett
Gives a whole new meaning to TINC, dunnit?
Daniel Orner
I dunno. Maybe it'd give *a* meaning to it, because I don't know what
it means.
Nigel Stapley
>
> There's one thing that hasn't been mentioned in this conversation.
> Unlike all the other countries in the western hemisphere, the USA is the
> only country that has the word "America" in its name. What else would
> you call its citizens? USAians? It's cute on Usenet but unwieldy in real
> life.
We've had this debate here many a time and oft.
"Merkians" is one (derived from another one, "Merkin").
"USAnian" is another you might see here.
I tried out "UncleSamians", but it never caught on.
--
Regards
Nigel Stapley
<reply-to will bounce>
Lesley Weston
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:56:16 -0500, Daniel Orner wrote:
>> There's nothing chauvinistic about it, but it shows a (possibly wilful)
>> disregard for the most common use of the term "American". This is the
>> first time I've ever heard the word used for residents of the South
>> American continent.
>
> And we should care about your limited horizons exactly why?
>
> Where I come from, America is used for the whole of the continent, no
> only the landmass ruled by the smirking chimp and his cronies. To the
> North of it is Canada, to the South of it a whole subcontinent.
> incredibly called America too.
South America is a whole continent in its own right, not a subcontinent.
Where I live now on the other continent in these parts, and also where I
used to live on a small island off the west coast of the continent of
Europe, "America" means the large part in the middle of the continent of
North America, between even-larger Canada and tiny Mexico. Central
America doesn't seem to count, what with not being a continent or even a
subcontinent, which must be annoying for the peoples who live there.
Lesley Weston
> Daniel Orner wrote:
>> Aleks A.-Lessmann wrote:
>>> Where I come from, America is used for the whole of the continent, no
>>> only the landmass ruled by the smirking chimp and his cronies. To the
>>> North of it is Canada, to the South of it a whole subcontinent.
>>> incredibly called America too.
>>
>> So... you use America to refer to the US and South America, but
>> not Canada? How does that make any more sense?
>
> IinitiallyRIA "Canada is the Northern-most part of it[1][2]", although a
> second reading (because I'd been expecting something like
> "Mexico/whatever sits on the Southern-most part of it", but it seemed to
> miss that out in the rush to discuss the other (major) American
> continental land-mass) revealed it to be a bit less favourably phrased,
> I must admit.
Yes, poor old Mexico does seem to get forgotten as part of the continent
of North America, even right here on said continent.
>
> However, English being English, and not actually being some people's
> native tongue[3], that's still my hypothesis.
>
>
> [1] It being the N. Am. continent, lest somehow the meaning gets muddled.
>
> [2] And anticipating a cry or two of complaint about forgetting Alaska,
> and possibly even that little Danish island over on the other side. ;)
You mean that little Canadian island, of course.
Lesley Weston
I'm sure [1] you mean well, but if you really want to annoy a Canadian,
that's the way to do it.
[1] Almost.
Dave Adalian
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Arthur Hagen
>
> There's one thing that hasn't been mentioned in this conversation.
> Unlike all the other countries in the western hemisphere, the USA is
> the only country that has the word "America" in its name. What else
> would you call its citizens? USAians? It's cute on Usenet but
> unwieldy in real life.
"US Americans" work just fine.
> Since "American" is the only suitable word to use for the people who
> live in the US,
Quit lying.
> using it for people who live outside the US, referring
> to the continent instead of the country, just gets confusing.
No, it makes it explicit that you mean Americans and not US Americans. What
would you use to describe someone from one of the American continents, if
you don't know or it doesn't matter which country?
--
*Art
Arthur Hagen
Is it September already? I recommend that net newbies obtain and install
the program "wtf", which will explain the most common abbreviations used on
the net.
% wtf is TINC
TINC: there is no cabal
Regads,
--
*Art
Free Lunch
Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
<UCktj.48928$FA.24704@pd7urf2no>:
>Free Lunch wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:21:40 -0500, in alt.fan.pratchett
>> Daniel Orner <webm...@ffcompendium.com> wrote in
>> <fp472s$1nfc$2...@mud.stack.nl>:
>>> Aleks A.-Lessmann wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:56:16 -0500, Daniel Orner wrote:
>>>>> There's nothing chauvinistic about it, but it shows a (possibly wilful)
>>>>> disregard for the most common use of the term "American". This is the
>>>>> first time I've ever heard the word used for residents of the South
>>>>> American continent.
>>>> And we should care about your limited horizons exactly why?
>>>>
>>>> Where I come from, America is used for the whole of the continent, no
>>>> only the landmass ruled by the smirking chimp and his cronies. To the
>>>> North of it is Canada, to the South of it a whole subcontinent.
>>>> incredibly called America too.
>>>>
>>>> The wonders never cease
>>>> Aleks
>>> So... you use America to refer to the US and South America, but not
>>> Canada? How does that make any more sense?
>>
>> Canada is special. It's an honorary member of the USA.
>
>I'm sure [1] you mean well, but if you really want to annoy a Canadian,
>that's the way to do it.
>
>[1] Almost.
Yes, I know. I'm also aware that much about our countries is
TheUnitedStatesandCanada. It doesn't help that many Americans (that's
residents of the USA to you pseudo-pedants who cannot offer a useful
alternative word for this noun) think that .ca stands for California or
couldn't find Canada if they were in Toronto (no comments from the
anti-Ontario crowd).
We also cheerfully import almost all of the culture that you inflict on
us, whether horrible actors such as Shatner or cringe-inducing singers.
Then we puree and return to you.
Free Lunch
>Aleks A.-Lessmann wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:56:16 -0500, Daniel Orner wrote:
>>> There's nothing chauvinistic about it, but it shows a (possibly wilful)
>>> disregard for the most common use of the term "American". This is the
>>> first time I've ever heard the word used for residents of the South
>>> American continent.
>>
>> And we should care about your limited horizons exactly why?
>>
>> Where I come from, America is used for the whole of the continent, no
>> only the landmass ruled by the smirking chimp and his cronies. To the
>> North of it is Canada, to the South of it a whole subcontinent.
>> incredibly called America too.
>
>South America is a whole continent in its own right, not a subcontinent.
>Where I live now on the other continent in these parts, and also where I
>used to live on a small island off the west coast of the continent of
>Europe, "America" means the large part in the middle of the continent of
>North America, between even-larger Canada and tiny Mexico. Central
>America doesn't seem to count, what with not being a continent or even a
>subcontinent, which must be annoying for the peoples who live there.
Poor tiny Mexico, only 8 times the size of the UK.
Alec Cawley
> Daniel Orner wrote:
>
>>
>> There's one thing that hasn't been mentioned in this conversation.
>> Unlike all the other countries in the western hemisphere, the USA is
>> the only country that has the word "America" in its name. What else
>> would you call its citizens? USAians? It's cute on Usenet but unwieldy
>> in real life.
>
> We've had this debate here many a time and oft.
>
> "Merkians" is one (derived from another one, "Merkin").
>
> "USAnian" is another you might see here.
>
> I tried out "UncleSamians", but it never caught on.
Transpondians (in contrast to the European cispondians).
Alec Cawley
How often do you need to have such a word? Given that the two Americas
are distinct continents, and given the cultural differences between
different areas within those continents, the number of occasions upon
which one needs a wort that encompasses people from Chile to Alaska
while excluding the rest of the world is, ISTM, tiny.
Free Lunch
"Arthur Hagen" <a...@broomstick.com> wrote in
<fp4r1f$d9s$1...@tree.broomstick.com>:
Clearly, you meant 'there is no Canada'.
julie.w...@btinternet.com
> Anyway, I read it as quite a good natured joke
>
Honestly, Thomas, *how* long have you been on afp?
- Julie
Elliott Grasett
Precisely! Ignore those Northern Barbarians
taking over Hollywood!
--
Cheers,
Elliott
Tomes
news:fp4qhi$d5h$1...@tree.broomstick.com...
Tomes
Larry Moore
> How often do you need to have such a word? Given that the two Americas
> are distinct continents, and given the cultural differences between
> different areas within those continents, the number of occasions upon
> which one needs a wort that encompasses people from Chile to Alaska
> while excluding the rest of the world is, ISTM, tiny.
President Monroe called the territories from Chile to Alaska,
America.
--
I must admit that if I did not realize how seriously my husband takes
his treatments, I should think that Psychoanalysis is a form of
pornography." Martha Freud (Sigmund's wife)
Arthur Hagen
I'm sure a Cuban would be thrilled over being called either. Yet, they are
Americans.
--
*Art
Arthur Hagen
There is no what?
Regards,
--
*Art
Elliott Grasett
--
Cheers,
Elliott
Free Lunch
Yanqui is a very good name for people who live in the USA, but there are
some people who are nursing a grudge from 150 years ago who don't like
it.
Chris Zakes
caused Aleks A.-Lessmann <XaXlX...@lessmann-consulting.com> to
write:
>On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:56:16 -0500, Daniel Orner wrote:
>> There's nothing chauvinistic about it, but it shows a (possibly wilful)
>>disregard for the most common use of the term "American". This is the
>>first time I've ever heard the word used for residents of the South
>>American continent.
>
>And we should care about your limited horizons exactly why?
>
>Where I come from, America is used for the whole of the continent, no
>only the landmass ruled by the smirking chimp and his cronies. To the
>North of it is Canada, to the South of it a whole subcontinent.
>incredibly called America too.
Then I'd say that where you come from is someplace woefully ignorant
of geography. There are *two* continents with the name "America"
attached to them:
North America, which includes Canada, Greenland, the USA, Mexico,
various Caribbean islands, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica
and Panama.
South America, which includes Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru,
Brazil, Guyana, Surinam, French Guiana, Bolivia, Paraguay, Chile,
Uraguay and Argentina. Calling South America a "subcontinent" suggests
that you don't look at maps or globes very often.
Is it worth pointing out that only one of these countries--the United
States of America--is commonly called "America"? All the others have
their own names, and trying to call them "America" too, only creates
confusion.
-Chris Zakes
Texas
I came up here for a party, and what happens? Nothing! Not even ice cream. The
gods looked down and laughed. This would be a better world for children if the
parents had to eat the spinach.
-Groucho Marx, "Animal Crackers"
Chris Zakes
caused "Arthur Hagen" <a...@broomstick.com> to write:
>Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:38:01 -0800 (PST), an orbital mind-control
>> laser caused Weatherlawyer <Weathe...@hotmail.com> to write:
>>
>>> Why is it that every state in America
>>> outside the United 50 or so are considered aliens by inhabitants of
>>> the USA?
>>
>> Because they *are* different countries, with different names,
>> different governments and (in most cases) different languages. Try
>> telling a Belgian that he's really French, or a Swiss that he's really
>> German or an Irishman that he's really English. Maybe then you'll
>> figure it out.
>
>When a Texan thinks of a Mexican or Chilean as not being American, it's more
>like someone in Belgium incorrectly thinking a Swiss or Norwegian aren't
>European.
Nonsense. I might think of them as being from North or South America,
but they're not "American" in the sense of being citizens of the USA.
I suppose I could call them "Western Hemisphereans" which would
actually include both of the American continents.
>And honestly, do you think of yourself as an alien when you visit Mexico, or
>as an American? Do you want to be treated as an /alien/ or as an
>/American/?
Duh, I *am* an "alien" (in the sense of "foreigner" not in the sense
of flying saucers) when I'm visiting another country. I didn't grow up
in that cultural matrix; despite six years of Spanish in junior high
and high school, I speak the language poorly, I'm not allowed to vote
in their elections, etc.
What I want won't matter in the least, I *will* be treated as an
American--a citizen of the United States of America-- not as a citizen
of the Estados Unidos de Mexico.
Chris Zakes
caused Nigel Stapley <un...@judgemental.plus.com> to write:
>Daniel Orner wrote:
>
>>
>> There's one thing that hasn't been mentioned in this conversation.
>> Unlike all the other countries in the western hemisphere, the USA is the
>> only country that has the word "America" in its name. What else would
>> you call its citizens? USAians? It's cute on Usenet but unwieldy in real
>> life.
>
>We've had this debate here many a time and oft.
>
>"Merkians" is one (derived from another one, "Merkin").
That's the most common one I've seen. Since "merkin" originally meant
a pubic wig (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkin) such use is,
arguably, mildly insulting at best.
I realize that many Europeans consider it cool to insult the US any
chance they get, but that doesn't mean we have to like it.
Len Oil
> Then I'd say that where you come from is someplace woefully ignorant
> of geography. There are *two* continents with the name "America"
> attached to them:
>
> various American islands, America, America, America, America
> and America.
>
> South America, which includes America, America, America, America,
> America, America, America, America, America, America, America,
> America and America. Calling South America a "subcontinent" suggests
> that you don't look at maps or globes very often.
>
> their own names, and trying to call them "America" too, only creates
> confusion.
Personally, I think my corrections /prevent/ confusion, Newbruce. ;)
Geoff Field
Personally, I like "USalien".
> Transpondians (in contrast to the European cispondians).
Ah, but as somebody who's across a pond or three from either of the
two continents, that could well apply to us XXXXians as well.
Older XXXXians (WWII generation) tend to call them "Seppos".
This is rhyming slang: "Yank"->"Septic Tank"->"Seppo". Nobody
said it had to be a *nice* name.
Or did they?
Regardless, when I hear "American", I automatically think of a US
citizen. Those from Canada are "Canadians", everybody from the
South American continent is a "South American" (except in the unlikely
event that I actually know which country they're from, and those from
Mexico are (logically) "Mexicans" (although I'm just as likely to think
of them as "South Americans" regardless of the actual continent from
which they originate).
Geoff
--
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Professional Geek,
Amateur Stage-Levelling Gauge
Arthur Hagen
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:39:56 -0500, an orbital mind-control laser
> caused "Arthur Hagen" <a...@broomstick.com> to write:
>
>> When a Texan thinks of a Mexican or Chilean as not being American,
>> it's more like someone in Belgium incorrectly thinking a Swiss or
>> Norwegian aren't European.
>
> Nonsense. I might think of them as being from North or South America,
> but they're not "American" in the sense of being citizens of the USA.
Neither is the Norwegian a citizen of the EU. That doesn't stop him from
being European. Exactly like a Mexican is also an American despite not
being a citizen of the USA.
Sorry, but you can't usurp the title of American from people who live
elsewhere in the Americas. No more than EU members have an exclusive rights
to the word "European". The situation is the same.
> What I want won't matter in the least, I *will* be treated as an
> American--a citizen of the United States of America-- not as a citizen
> of the Estados Unidos de Mexico.
If you claim that you are American and they aren't, chances are you'll be
treated as a furking gringo.
--
*Art
Chris Zakes
Ah, I guess you live in Europe. Just to the north of you, across
Hadrian's Wall is Europe, and to the west, beyond Srewsbury is Europe.
Across the European Sea are Europe and Northern Europe.
To the east of you, beyond the European Channel is Europe, which is
bordered on the north by Europe, to the east by Europe and to the
south by Europe.
Hmmm, you're right. It *is* less confusing. Considering how few people
these days have any clue about geography
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww) your system makes a lot
more sense.
Chris Zakes
caused "Arthur Hagen" <a...@broomstick.com> to write:
>Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:39:56 -0500, an orbital mind-control laser
>> caused "Arthur Hagen" <a...@broomstick.com> to write:
>>
>>> When a Texan thinks of a Mexican or Chilean as not being American,
>>> it's more like someone in Belgium incorrectly thinking a Swiss or
>>> Norwegian aren't European.
>>
>> Nonsense. I might think of them as being from North or South America,
>> but they're not "American" in the sense of being citizens of the USA.
>
>Neither is the Norwegian a citizen of the EU. That doesn't stop him from
>being European. Exactly like a Mexican is also an American despite not
>being a citizen of the USA.
He's a *North* American (or maybe a NAFTAian) but not an American.
>Sorry, but you can't usurp the title of American from people who live
>elsewhere in the Americas. No more than EU members have an exclusive rights
>to the word "European". The situation is the same.
Really? And which country on the European continent also uses the name
"Europe" as its main designator? If you don't have that situation then
it's *not* the same.
>> What I want won't matter in the least, I *will* be treated as an
>> American--a citizen of the United States of America-- not as a citizen
>> of the Estados Unidos de Mexico.
>
>If you claim that you are American and they aren't, chances are you'll be
>treated as a furking gringo.
I wouldn't know, I've never discussed the issue with a native of
Mexico. But if I had to guess, I'd say there's an equal chance the
Mexican would say you're being a pompous idiot.
We've got several people from Canada on this forum, do any of *them*
consider themselves "Americans" (as opposed to North Americans or
NAFTAians?)
Free Lunch
Would a Mexican ever call himself American when asked nationality?
Tomes
> Tomes :
>> "Arthur Hagen" ...
>>> Daniel Orner :
>>>>
>>>> There's one thing that hasn't been mentioned in this conversation.
>>>> Unlike all the other countries in the western hemisphere, the USA is
>>>> the only country that has the word "America" in its name. What else
>>>> would you call its citizens? USAians? It's cute on Usenet but
>>>> unwieldy in real life.
>>>
>>> "US Americans" work just fine.
>>>
>>>> Since "American" is the only suitable word to use for the people who
>>>> live in the US,
>>>
>>> Quit lying.
>>>
>>>> using it for people who live outside the US, referring
>>>> to the continent instead of the country, just gets confusing.
>>>
>>> No, it makes it explicit that you mean Americans and not US
>>> Americans. What would you use to describe someone from one of the
>>> American continents, if you don't know or it doesn't matter which
>>> country?
>> One would use 'North American' or 'South American'.
>
> I'm sure a Cuban would be thrilled over being called either. Yet, they
> are Americans.
>
they would be miffed at being called South American.
Tomes
Tomes
"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:j7acr39nomorej0cj...@4ax.com...
It is a proper definition of the word.
yanqui
Main Entry: yan·qui
Pronunciation: \ˈyäŋ-kē\
Function: noun
Usage: often capitalized
Etymology: Spanish, from English Yankee
Date: 1928
: a citizen of the United States as distinguished from a Latin American
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/yanqui
Tomes
Nisaba Merrieweather
> What else would you call its citizens? USAians? It's cute on Usenet but
> unwieldy in real life.
I have an American friend of Japanese extraction, who insists on being
called a US-Asian. It's less of a tongue-twiser than USAians, with only one
phonetic sound-unit added.
--
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... Attitudes are contagious. Is yours worth catching?
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Free Lunch
"Tomes" <ask...@here.net> wrote in
<fp5lu9$hqi$1...@registered.motzarella.org>:
>Function: noun
>Usage: often capitalized
>Etymology: Spanish, from English Yankee
>Date: 1928
>: a citizen of the United States as distinguished from a Latin American
>http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/yanqui
>Tomes
I agree that Yankee/Yanqui is a perfectly good way to refer to people
from the USA. It is the irredentist Confederates who get upset.