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Tina Hall

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Oct 2, 2001, 11:13:00 PM10/2/01
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Hello You Out There

You lot know all sorts of things, so maybe someone here remembers
what the guy in the computer game Day of the Tentacle was called,
that almost never took his hands out of his trouser pockets
(except to surf in the time machine, afair).

I think the girl was called Laverne, is that correct? And while
I'm at it, what was the name of the third one?

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Bye
Tina

Avi

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The pocket-bound slouching fellow was named Hoagie; the girl Laverne;
the thin, geeky one Bernard.

One of my favorite games ever. I will never forgetting causing it to
rain by washing a car. :)

--Avi

Chris Ahchay

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Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote in message news:<MSGID_2=3A2433=2F888.111=40fidonet...@fidonet.org>...

Ah, Day of the Tentacle. All games should be that good...

I remember thinking at the time that although the game made
perfect sense at the time, what with the incessant
moving objects through time, that story couldn't be represented
in traditional media. Just _try_ and explain to a passer by
exactly why you've got to get George Washington to cut down a
kumquat tree and you'll see what I mean.

Laverne sounds right, the geek boy was Bernard[1] and the slobs
name was, although I'm not sure about this, Hoagie.

Cheers
Chris
[1]gods I hate the 'merkin pronunciation of this name

phobos

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Oct 3, 2001, 8:40:31 AM10/3/01
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Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote in message news:<MSGID_2=3A2433=2F888.111=40fidonet...@fidonet.org>...

OK, here we go...

Bernard Bernoulli: science geek. Carries a boring electronics textbook
at the start of the game ("the LALR compiler is constructed by the
following method..."). Never got over his childhood fear of Oozo the
Clown. Likes spearmint bubblegum.
Hoagie: Roadie for a metal band. Carries a tin opener at the start of
the game. Surfed in the time machine. Inspired the whole "We the
People" thing in the US Constitution. Has many good ideas for how to
design a flag for the new nation ("If you embroider the order of poker
hands in the corner, people would forget them less!")
Laverne: Med student. Missing several marbles. Should never have been
trusted with the scalpel she carries at the start of the game. Likes
trees, but can be pushed too far. Much better looking as a tentacle.

And the rest of 'em...
the Edisons:
Dr Fred: Insane genius. Once was mind-controlled by an evil purple
meteor. Forgot to sign the contract that would have brought him
enormous royalties from the game "Maniac Mansion".
Nurse Edna: Old woman of seriously questionable morals.
Weird Ed: Former teenage paramilitary with hamster fetish. Since a
traumatic event five years ago, in which his old hamster mysteriously
disappeared and something with a bright light went 'ding!', has been
in therapy, and now collects stamps. Is a peaceful, friendly person,
but once angered can be dangerous.
Green Tentacle: Bizarre creation of Dr Fred. Befriended Bernard some
time ago, and has since had some success with his band, 'Green T and
the Sushi Platter', who have a quite seismic bass line.
Purple Tentacle: Another bizarre creation of Dr Fred. After drinking
sewage, mutated into an insane genius and now is attempting to take
over the world.
Dead Cousin Ted: Has been in the family for centuries. Not much of a
conversationalist, but a great listener. Instrumental in the dramatic
rescue of Dr Fred from the evil IRS agents.

Red: Dr Fred's ancestor. Inventor of the left-handed hammer.
Ned: A colonial Edison. Twin of
Jed: , identical in all respects bar handedness. Both are artistically
inclined.

Plus there are descendants of Fred, Edna and Ed in the tentacle-ruled
future, with names I can't seem to recall.

Plus supporting cast of founding fathers, IRS agents, novelty goods
conventioneers, tentacles, human-show contestants in bizarre outfits,
temporal paradoces (so if this army are all Purple Tentacle at
different points in his life, ferried back in the time machine, what
happens if one of 'em gets killed?) and talking animals ("a horse is a
horse, of course!")

I'm terribly tempted, by the way, to attempt a port of DotT to the
Z-Machine. OK, so you lose the pretty graphics, but it would still be
fun to do... :-)

Tina Hall

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Oct 3, 2001, 10:23:00 AM10/3/01
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Chris Ahchay wrote:

> Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote in

> message news:<MSGID_2=3A2433=2F888.111=40fidonet_05156cda@fid
> onet.org>...


> >
> > You lot know all sorts of things, so maybe someone here
> > remembers what the guy in the computer game Day of the
> > Tentacle was called, that almost never took his hands out
> > of his trouser pockets (except to surf in the time machine,
> > afair).
> >
> > I think the girl was called Laverne, is that correct? And
> > while I'm at it, what was the name of the third one?
>
> Ah, Day of the Tentacle. All games should be that good...
>
> I remember thinking at the time that although the game made
> perfect sense at the time, what with the incessant
> moving objects through time, that story couldn't be
> represented in traditional media. Just _try_ and explain to a
> passer by exactly why you've got to get George Washington to
> cut down a kumquat tree and you'll see what I mean.

I have to admit that it didn't make much sense to me, it was a
lot of fun, but I could only solve it with a walk-through. Maybe
wouldn't have as much trouble by now... (Now wondering wether to
go and look wether I've still got it somewhere...)

> Laverne sounds right, the geek boy was Bernard[1] and the
> slobs name was, although I'm not sure about this, Hoagie.

Thanks, you and the others.

> [1]gods I hate the 'merkin pronunciation of this name

What is that like?

Watching BBC world and CNN lately, I've noticed that quite a lot
of words are pronounced a lot differently than what I thought
(knowing them only from books). The merkins are still much
weirder than the brits, though.

--
Bye
Tina

Chris Ahchay

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Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote in message news:<MSGID_2=3A2433=2F888.111=40fidonet...@fidonet.org>...

> Chris Ahchay wrote:
>
> > Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote in
> > message news:<MSGID_2=3A2433=2F888.111=40fidonet_05156cda@fid
> > onet.org>...
> > >
> > I remember thinking at the time that although the game made
> > perfect sense at the time, what with the incessant
> > moving objects through time, that story couldn't be
> > represented in traditional media. Just _try_ and explain to a
> > passer by exactly why you've got to get George Washington to
> > cut down a kumquat tree and you'll see what I mean.
>
> I have to admit that it didn't make much sense to me, it was a
> lot of fun, but I could only solve it with a walk-through. Maybe
> wouldn't have as much trouble by now... (Now wondering wether to
> go and look wether I've still got it somewhere...)

I think I'll dig my copy out again, it's been a Loooong time since
i last played it through.

> Thanks, you and the others.

You're welcome...

>
> > [1]gods I hate the 'merkin pronunciation of this name
>
> What is that like?

Merkins over pronounce the "ar" with a soft "d" so that the
name ends sounding like "bernaarrd". Whereas we brits basically
try and ignore the "r" and it ends up as "bernad"[1]

>
> Watching BBC world and CNN lately, I've noticed that quite a lot
> of words are pronounced a lot differently than what I thought
> (knowing them only from books). The merkins are still much
> weirder than the brits, though.

Nope, we're just as weird. We've had more practise.

Cheers
Chris
[1]And I'm sure that this is equally as annoying everyone on the
other side of the pond[2]. For _years_ I thought that 'merkin
"bernaarrd" was a different name to brit "bernad".
[2]I don't notice most american pronounciation, but this and
aluminium[3] are the two that cause my hackles to rise. Don't know
why.
[3]Or aluminum if you prefer...

phobos

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Oct 4, 2001, 8:37:19 AM10/4/01
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Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote in message news:<MSGID_2=3A2433=2F888.111=40fidonet...@fidonet.org>...
> Chris Ahchay wrote:
>
> > Laverne sounds right, the geek boy was Bernard[1] and the
> > slobs name was, although I'm not sure about this, Hoagie.
>
> Thanks, you and the others.
>
> > [1]gods I hate the 'merkin pronunciation of this name
>
> What is that like?
>
> Watching BBC world and CNN lately, I've noticed that quite a lot
> of words are pronounced a lot differently than what I thought
> (knowing them only from books). The merkins are still much
> weirder than the brits, though.

The merkins pronounce Bernard with an 'ard' as in hard. Whereas we,
with our far more intuitive system of pronunciation and spelling,
pronounce it more sort of 'Bernud' with an 'ud' almost, but not quite,
entirely unlike the one in mud.

Although the makers of DotT did seem to be taking the proverbial
yellowish liquid with the pronunciation... they stretched out the name
to 'Bernaaaaaaard' wherever possible. 'Spearmint flavour. Probably
Bernaaaaaaard's.'

Tina Hall

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Oct 4, 2001, 1:54:00 PM10/4/01
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Chris Ahchay wrote:

> Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote


> > Chris Ahchay wrote:
> >
> > > [1]gods I hate the 'merkin pronunciation of this name
> >
> > What is that like?
>
> Merkins over pronounce the "ar" with a soft "d" so that the
> name ends sounding like "bernaarrd". Whereas we brits
> basically try and ignore the "r" and it ends up as
> "bernad"[1]

You are right, 'bernad' sounds better.

> > Watching BBC world and CNN lately, I've noticed that quite
> > a lot of words are pronounced a lot differently than what I
> > thought (knowing them only from books). The merkins are
> > still much weirder than the brits, though.
>
> Nope, we're just as weird. We've had more practise.

:) You are more comfortably weird then. My accent is a mix the
one you get around Manchaster, and a german one. I couldn't
expect any germans who've learned english in scool to actually
understand much of what I'd say, or merkins for that matter.

> [2]I don't notice most american pronounciation, but this and
> aluminium[3] are the two that cause my hackles to rise. Don't
> know why.
> [3]Or aluminum if you prefer...

Tomato.

Though I can't imagine how the merkins would pronounce aluminium.

--
Bye
Tina

There was a cure after all, fortunately I found a remedy.

Tina Hall

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Phobos wrote:

> Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote
> > Chris Ahchay wrote:

[Bernard]

> > > [1]gods I hate the 'merkin pronunciation of this name
> >
> > What is that like?
> >
> > Watching BBC world and CNN lately, I've noticed that quite
> > a lot of words are pronounced a lot differently than what I
> > thought (knowing them only from books). The merkins are
> > still much weirder than the brits, though.
>
> The merkins pronounce Bernard with an 'ard' as in hard.
> Whereas we, with our far more intuitive system of
> pronunciation and spelling, pronounce it more sort of
> 'Bernud' with an 'ud' almost, but not quite, entirely unlike
> the one in mud.

Where do you get the 'u' from? (Or maybe you and I pronounce
'mud' differently. My version rhymes with 'would'.)

> Although the makers of DotT did seem to be taking the
> proverbial yellowish liquid with the pronunciation... they
> stretched out the name to 'Bernaaaaaaard' wherever possible.
> 'Spearmint flavour. Probably Bernaaaaaaard's.'

Yellowish liquid?

Paul S. Brown

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Urine - also known as "piss" - the phrase is "taking the piss"

Paul

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Joe Coughlin

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On 4 Oct 2001 03:00:11 -0700, ch...@arcadenirvana.com (Chris Ahchay)
wrote:
<snip>

>>
>> > [1]gods I hate the 'merkin pronunciation of this name
>>
>> What is that like?
>
>Merkins over pronounce the "ar" with a soft "d" so that the
>name ends sounding like "bernaarrd". Whereas we brits basically
>try and ignore the "r" and it ends up as "bernad"[1]
>
>>
>> Watching BBC world and CNN lately, I've noticed that quite a lot
>> of words are pronounced a lot differently than what I thought
>> (knowing them only from books). The merkins are still much
>> weirder than the brits, though.
>
>Nope, we're just as weird. We've had more practise.
>
>Cheers
>Chris
>[1]And I'm sure that this is equally as annoying everyone on the
>other side of the pond[2]. For _years_ I thought that 'merkin
>"bernaarrd" was a different name to brit "bernad".

Oh, I don't know. I am a 'merkin and I loved it when Nursie in
Blackadder revealed her name as Bernard. Made me laugh as much as when
I heard Patrick Stewart pronounce "charade".

JoeC...marking his first post in this hallowed newsgroup...

P.S. For the record, I'm not 'merkin...I'm Canadian. Even though I've
never been to Canada and have always lived in Les Etats-Unis.

Joe Coughlin

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Oct 4, 2001, 7:28:08 PM10/4/01
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On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:54:00 CET, Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org (Tina Hall)
wrote:

>Tomato.
>
>Though I can't imagine how the merkins would pronounce aluminium.

Alooominuhm

JoeC...or summat like that...

geoff...@hotmail.com

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Chris Ahchay <ch...@arcadenirvana.com> wrote:
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> Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote in message news:<MSGID_2=3A2433=2F888.111=40
> fidonet_...@fidonet.org>...
>> Chris Ahchay wrote:
<snip>

>> > [1]gods I hate the 'merkin pronunciation of this name
>>
>> What is that like?
>
> Merkins over pronounce the "ar" with a soft "d" so that the
> name ends sounding like "bernaarrd". Whereas we brits basically
> try and ignore the "r" and it ends up as "bernad"[1]

As the father of a Bernard, I *have* to chip in on this one.
We pronounce *our* son's name as "Bernud" but we're not averse
to calling him "Bernie". A German friend of mine insists on
*spelling* his name as "Bernhard". Frankly, I don't think
anyone of us is much bothered by the way it's pronounced.

>> Watching BBC world and CNN lately, I've noticed that quite a lot
>> of words are pronounced a lot differently than what I thought
>> (knowing them only from books). The merkins are still much
>> weirder than the brits, though.
> Nope, we're just as weird. We've had more practise.

Everyone is wierd in their own ways. I think the Brits have had
a *lot* longer to perfect the art of wierdness than the Merkins.

> [1]And I'm sure that this is equally as annoying everyone on the
> other side of the pond[2]. For _years_ I thought that 'merkin
> "bernaarrd" was a different name to brit "bernad".

There's often a slightly bigger separation of the syllables in
the Merkin pronunciation as well. Someone else has already
pointed out that Merkins tend to pronounce the "r" while
Brits (and XXXXians, too) tend to drop it altogether or
turn it into an "h".

> [2]I don't notice most american pronounciation, but this and
> aluminium[3] are the two that cause my hackles to rise. Don't know
> why.
> [3]Or aluminum if you prefer...

No, I do *not* prefer this! "Aluminum" indeed! They've dropped
a whole syllable *and* their emphasis is wrong...

Geoff

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On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:54:00 CET, in alt.fan.pratchett
Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote in
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>Though I can't imagine how the merkins would pronounce aluminium.

Usually we just complain about the 'misspelling', though a friend of my
mom's (in her late 70s) has always pronounced it the British way. For
the first <cough> years of this, I thought she was daft, I didn't know
there was a British spelling/pronunciation of Al.

Tina Hall

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Joe Coughlin wrote:

> Tentacle. On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:54:00 CET,

What's wrong with that? I was more wondering about the 'i' wether
it's 'ee' or something else... (Hey, I did mention that my accent
is weird.)

amie

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"Joe Coughlin" <jt...@voicenet.com> wrote in message
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Made me laugh as much as when
> I heard Patrick Stewart pronounce "charade".
>
Have you heard Janeway say 'pecan' ? Do all merkins say it this way?

- amie


Tina Hall

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Geofffield wrote:

> Chris Ahchay <ch...@arcadenirvana.com> wrote:

[how to pronounce 'Bernard']

> As the father of a Bernard, I *have* to chip in on this one.
> We pronounce *our* son's name as "Bernud" but we're not
> averse to calling him "Bernie". A German friend of mine
> insists on *spelling* his name as "Bernhard". Frankly, I
> don't think anyone of us is much bothered by the way it's
> pronounced.

But that's as if he would spell the name 'Heather' as 'Erika',
simply plain stupid, IMAO, as even names have translations.

[merkins weirder than brits]

> > Nope, we're just as weird. We've had more practise.
>
> Everyone is wierd in their own ways. I think the Brits have
> had a *lot* longer to perfect the art of wierdness than the
> Merkins.

But you didn't jump out of a black hole at one point in time, the
people before did have time to practice weirdness, even if they
lived somewhere else. You've rather mixed up all sorts of
multicultural weirdness.

> > [1]And I'm sure that this is equally as annoying everyone
> > on the other side of the pond[2]. For _years_ I thought
> > that 'merkin "bernaarrd" was a different name to brit
> > "bernad".
>
> There's often a slightly bigger separation of the syllables
> in the Merkin pronunciation as well. Someone else has
> already pointed out that Merkins tend to pronounce the "r"
> while Brits (and XXXXians, too) tend to drop it altogether or
> turn it into an "h".

Haven't noticed the latter, but a lot of 't's getting swallowed.

> > [2]I don't notice most american pronounciation, but this
> > and aluminium[3] are the two that cause my hackles to rise.
> > Don't know why.
> > [3]Or aluminum if you prefer...
>
> No, I do *not* prefer this! "Aluminum" indeed! They've
> dropped a whole syllable *and* their emphasis is wrong...

Finally I notice the missing letter. :) Now you've really
confused me.

m.k.messall

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I haven't heard to say it, but the short answer is 'no, all Americans
don't say it that way' because there are two different pronunciations
more or less current here (er, there.) 'PEE can' is the rather less
attractive way, and I think I've only heard it on television, usually
from supposedly rural characters. 'pu CAHN' is the way I say it, and my
rural, pecan growing relatives.

Which way did Janeway say it. How do you say it, for that matter?

-Mary

amie

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"m.k.messall" <m.k.m...@durham.ac.uk> wrote in message

> I haven't heard to say it, but the short answer is 'no, all Americans
> don't say it that way' because there are two different pronunciations
> more or less current here (er, there.) 'PEE can' is the rather less
> attractive way, and I think I've only heard it on television, usually
> from supposedly rural characters. 'pu CAHN' is the way I say it, and my
> rural, pecan growing relatives.
>
> Which way did Janeway say it. How do you say it, for that matter?
>

As an Aussie, I say it 'PEE can' (I might emphasise that 'can' is as in 'tin
can'), whereas Janeway said it the second way. Having never heard an
American say it before, it caused much laughter in our household for a long
time. Since then, I've heard it on other American tv shows. I never
considered that it could be said another way. BTW - I'm not taking the piss
at the way Americans say it, just very curious.

- amie


m.k.messall

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geoff...@hotmail.com wrote:
> No, I do *not* prefer this! "Aluminum" indeed! They've dropped
> a whole syllable *and* their emphasis is wrong...

Although 'Aluminum' is the older spelling and pronunciation. The '-ium'
was introduced later to make it match all the other '-ium' elements and
then both Brits and Merkins started pronouncing it that way. But when
the same physical and chemical society people who had introduced the
change, switched back, the Merkins went along with them and the Brits
didn't. All of this is in the alt.usage.english FAQ IIRC...

Ah yes, here http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~laker/faq/faq.html

A widespread false belief among those who spell the word
"aluminium" is that theirs is the original spelling, from which the
American version is a later development, perhaps resulting from a
typographical error. The CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics
(63rd ed., p. B-5) gives this bit of history:

The ancient Greeks and Romans used alum in medicine as an
astringent, and as a mordant in dyeing. In 1761 [Baron Louis-
Bernard Guyton] de Morveau proposed the name alumine for the
base in alum, and [Antoine] Lavoisier, in 1787, thought this
to be the oxide of a still undiscovered metal. [...] In 1807,
[Sir Humphrey] Davy proposed the name alumium for the metal,
undiscovered at that time, and later agreed to change it to
aluminum. Shortly thereafter, the name aluminium was
adopted to conform with the "ium" ending of most elements,
and this spelling is now in use elsewhere in the world.
Aluminium was also the accepted spelling in the U.S. until
1925, at which time the American Chemical Society officially
decided to use the name aluminum thereafter in their
publications.


So there you go.

-Mary (the AUE FAQ is interesting reading in its own right,
incidentally.)

Suzi

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Tina Hall <Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org> wrote in message
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> Joe Coughlin wrote:
>
> > Tentacle. On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:54:00 CET,
> > Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote:
> >
> > >Though I can't imagine how the merkins would pronounce
> > >aluminium.
> >
> > Alooominuhm
> >
> > JoeC...or summat like that...
>
> What's wrong with that? I was more wondering about the 'i' wether
> it's 'ee' or something else... (Hey, I did mention that my accent
> is weird.)

The real problem with using "aluminium" as an example is that the North
Americans don't even call it the same thing when they spell it... they
spell it "Aluminum" (which might help you with your pronounciation
quest)

Suzi


Rachel Cavill

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On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Tina Hall wrote:

> Joe Coughlin wrote:
>
> > Tentacle. On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:54:00 CET,
> > Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote:
> >
> > >Though I can't imagine how the merkins would pronounce
> > >aluminium.
> >
> > Alooominuhm
> >
> > JoeC...or summat like that...
>
> What's wrong with that? I was more wondering about the 'i' wether
> it's 'ee' or something else... (Hey, I did mention that my accent
> is weird.)

The Merkins I've heard say this word have said it as above, but ukians
say alu - min - yum. It's all to do with the u or ooooo sound in the
middle. Merkins tend to make it into an extra syllable whereas I'd
just add it onto the end of the al bit.
Rachel

Suzi

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Rachel Cavill <rc...@york.ac.uk> wrote in message
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[Snip]

> The Merkins I've heard say this word have said it as above, but ukians
> say alu - min - yum. [Snip]

Do we?
I'm sure I say al-yoo-min-ee-um, as does anyone else who was taught in
the same classes I attended as a kid :-)

Suzi


Chris Ahchay

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Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote in message news:<MSGID_2=3A2433=2F888.111=40fidonet...@fidonet.org>...

> Geofffield wrote:
> > > [2]I don't notice most american pronounciation, but this
> > > and aluminium[3] are the two that cause my hackles to rise.
> > > Don't know why.
> > > [3]Or aluminum if you prefer...
> >
> > No, I do *not* prefer this! "Aluminum" indeed! They've
> > dropped a whole syllable *and* their emphasis is wrong...

Precisely my point, I spent many years wondering why aluminium
was pronounced as aluminum while titanium wasn't pronounced
titanum[1] before I noticed that they actually spell it
differently as well.

My fault for scanning text for meaning rather than actually
reading the words I suppose...

>
> Finally I notice the missing letter. :) Now you've really
> confused me.

Don't worry, it's not just you who's confused. Just look at it
as yet another reason to always turn off the automatic spell
checker in M$ Word[2]...

Cheers
Chris
[1]Or is it?
[2]One(!) of Words most annoying features is the constant
guessing of what language you're writing in. For some reason,
mine keeps changing to dutch. Draw your own conclusions. First
thing I do when I get a new PC? Turn off all automatic
guesswork in all microsoft products.

Chris Share

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Oct 5, 2001, 9:01:23 AM10/5/01
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On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 02:21:00 CET, Tina Hall(Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org)
said..

>Joe Coughlin wrote:
>
> > Tentacle. On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:54:00 CET,
> > Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote:
> >
> > >Though I can't imagine how the merkins would pronounce
> > >aluminium.
> >
> > Alooominuhm
> >
> > JoeC...or summat like that...
>
>What's wrong with that? I was more wondering about the 'i' wether
>it's 'ee' or something else... (Hey, I did mention that my accent
>is weird.)

wrong? Just that's it's wrong. :-p

A-luh-min-ium
Though the last I isn't that long, it's is there.

chris

Maaike

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Oct 5, 2001, 3:47:30 PM10/5/01
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"m.k.messall" <m.k.m...@durham.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<3BBD6C9C...@durham.ac.uk>...

> amie wrote:
> > "Joe Coughlin" <jt...@voicenet.com> wrote in message
> > news:jrrprtcbe039utqeq...@4ax.com...
> > Made me laugh as much as when
> > > I heard Patrick Stewart pronounce "charade".

Hehehe. What *really* made me laugh was the time he said 'merde.' Not
because of pronounciation, just because I hadn't expected to hear it
on Star Trek.

> > Have you heard Janeway say 'pecan' ? Do all merkins say it this way?
>
> I haven't heard to say it, but the short answer is 'no, all Americans
> don't say it that way' because there are two different pronunciations
> more or less current here (er, there.) 'PEE can' is the rather less
> attractive way, and I think I've only heard it on television, usually
> from supposedly rural characters. 'pu CAHN' is the way I say it, and my
> rural, pecan growing relatives.
>
> Which way did Janeway say it.

She said 'pu CAHN.' I almost didn't understand her, as I'd never heard
it that way before.

>How do you say it, for that matter?

I'm not Merkin, but if it helps any, I say 'PEE cahn.'

-Maaike

Tina Hall

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Oct 5, 2001, 10:37:00 AM10/5/01
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Chris Share wrote:

I just completely overlooked the missing letter. My fault.

Tina Hall

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Oct 5, 2001, 10:40:00 AM10/5/01
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Chris Ahchay wrote:

> Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote
> >


> > Finally I notice the missing letter. :) Now you've really
> > confused me.
>
> Don't worry, it's not just you who's confused. Just look at
> it as yet another reason to always turn off the automatic
> spell checker in M$ Word[2]...

No problem with that, don't even have Word. I can do my spelling
mistakes all on my own.

> [2]One(!) of Words most annoying features is the constant
> guessing of what language you're writing in. For some reason,
> mine keeps changing to dutch. Draw your own conclusions.
> First thing I do when I get a new PC? Turn off all automatic
> guesswork in all microsoft products.

My advise would be: turning off all microsoft products. :)

Laurabelle

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Oct 5, 2001, 10:20:36 PM10/5/01
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Tina Hall scribbled in the dark:
>Chris Ahchay wrote:

> > Don't worry, it's not just you who's confused. Just look at
> > it as yet another reason to always turn off the automatic
> > spell checker in M$ Word[2]...
>
>No problem with that, don't even have Word. I can do my spelling
>mistakes all on my own.

Hey, so can I! I actually haven't even figured how to use spellcheck
with vi yet. I'm progressing slowly... My last accomplishment was
opening multiple files in one session. Ahh, I love vim!

> > First thing I do when I get a new PC? Turn off all automatic
> > guesswork in all microsoft products.
>
>My advise would be: turning off all microsoft products. :)

I am taking the sketchy opportunity of this post to announce my
increasing geekdom - not only have I successfully installed [1] Linux
Mandrake on my computer, I have reached the point at which I no longer
need to boot into Windows!

At some point, when I actually tame StarOffice, install my printer
correctly, and configure my soundcard - otherwise known as "getting
everything working properly" - I shall strip Windows down to the bare
minimum necessary to run things like Alpha Centauri. :-)

I love my command line. Bash, vim, mutt, slrn... I couldn't ask for
more.


Laurabelle

[1] Six times, in fact... One might argue that the first five installs
were in fact unsuccessful, but they were working perfectly until I went
and broke them.

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David Jensen

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Oct 5, 2001, 11:28:03 PM10/5/01
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2001 02:20:36 GMT, in alt.fan.pratchett
use...@niceperson.org (Laurabelle) wrote in
<slrn9rsqk3...@n246-199.mtholyoke.edu>:


>Tina Hall scribbled in the dark:
>>Chris Ahchay wrote:
>
>> > Don't worry, it's not just you who's confused. Just look at
>> > it as yet another reason to always turn off the automatic
>> > spell checker in M$ Word[2]...
>>
>>No problem with that, don't even have Word. I can do my spelling
>>mistakes all on my own.
>
>Hey, so can I! I actually haven't even figured how to use spellcheck
>with vi yet. I'm progressing slowly... My last accomplishment was
>opening multiple files in one session. Ahh, I love vim!

Well, we'll have to send you to an EMACS evangelist then.

Andrea

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Oct 6, 2001, 3:56:45 AM10/6/01
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"Chris Ahchay" wrote in message
news:ea8423cf.01100...@posting.google.com...

> (Tina Hall) wrote in message
news:<MSGID_2=3A2433=2F888.111=40fidonet...@fidonet.org>...
> > Chris Ahchay wrote:
> >
> > > Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote in
> > > message news:<MSGID_2=3A2433=2F888.111=40fidonet_05156cda@fid
> > > onet.org>...
> > > >
> > > I remember thinking at the time that although the game made
> > > perfect sense at the time, what with the incessant
> > > moving objects through time, that story couldn't be
> > > represented in traditional media. Just _try_ and explain to a
> > > passer by exactly why you've got to get George Washington to
> > > cut down a kumquat tree and you'll see what I mean.
> >
> > I have to admit that it didn't make much sense to me, it was a
> > lot of fun, but I could only solve it with a walk-through. Maybe
> > wouldn't have as much trouble by now... (Now wondering wether to
> > go and look wether I've still got it somewhere...)
>
> I think I'll dig my copy out again, it's been a Loooong time since
> i last played it through.

hmm now you've caught my attention, I want to play this. But all I
can find online is reviews, walkthroughs and dead pages, anyone know
where I can get a copy?

Andrea

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,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,
I know what this is, it's me walking over boxes as I *still* unpack
the stars are where I stub my toes :-(


phobos

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Oct 6, 2001, 4:06:31 AM10/6/01
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Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote in message news:<MSGID_2=3A2433=2F888.111=40fidonet...@fidonet.org>...
> Phobos wrote:
>
> > Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote
> > > Chris Ahchay wrote:
>
> [Bernard]
>
> > > > [1]gods I hate the 'merkin pronunciation of this name
> > >
> > > What is that like?
> > >
> > > Watching BBC world and CNN lately, I've noticed that quite
> > > a lot of words are pronounced a lot differently than what I
> > > thought (knowing them only from books). The merkins are
> > > still much weirder than the brits, though.
> >
> > The merkins pronounce Bernard with an 'ard' as in hard.
> > Whereas we, with our far more intuitive system of
> > pronunciation and spelling, pronounce it more sort of
> > 'Bernud' with an 'ud' almost, but not quite, entirely unlike
> > the one in mud.
>
> Where do you get the 'u' from? (Or maybe you and I pronounce
> 'mud' differently. My version rhymes with 'would'.)

Perhaps, but try reading 'Bernould' aloud. 'ud' wasn't perfect, hence
the tea-ish qualifier, but it was the best I could do without digging
up the character map and a list of phonetic letters. If you're a
Brummie, OTOH, it IS perfect :-)

>
> > Although the makers of DotT did seem to be taking the
> > proverbial yellowish liquid with the pronunciation... they
> > stretched out the name to 'Bernaaaaaaard' wherever possible.
> > 'Spearmint flavour. Probably Bernaaaaaaard's.'
>
> Yellowish liquid?

Has been dealt with in another post, methinks... The old recycled
beer.

Kincaid

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In article <efusrtcv9pteia8vu...@4ax.com>,

David Jensen <da...@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
> >opening multiple files in one session. Ahh, I love vim!

> Well, we'll have to send you to an EMACS evangelist then.

Noooooo! not a VIMACS thread!

Anyway, I can can kill this now,as any fule no that !StrongEd is the One
True Editor, never mind what those !Zap fiends say...

--
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Tampering in God's domain since 1975

phobos

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"Andrea" <and...@rason.co.uk> wrote in message news:<9pmdlk$ja4h8$1...@ID-54343.news.dfncis.de>...

> "Chris Ahchay" wrote in message
> news:ea8423cf.01100...@posting.google.com...
> > (Tina Hall) wrote in message
> news:<MSGID_2=3A2433=2F888.111=40fidonet...@fidonet.org>...
> > > Chris Ahchay wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote in
> > > > message news:<MSGID_2=3A2433=2F888.111=40fidonet_05156cda@fid
> > > > onet.org>...
> > > > >
> > > > I remember thinking at the time that although the game made
> > > > perfect sense at the time, what with the incessant
> > > > moving objects through time, that story couldn't be
> > > > represented in traditional media. Just _try_ and explain to a
> > > > passer by exactly why you've got to get George Washington to
> > > > cut down a kumquat tree and you'll see what I mean.
> > >
> > > I have to admit that it didn't make much sense to me, it was a
> > > lot of fun, but I could only solve it with a walk-through. Maybe
> > > wouldn't have as much trouble by now... (Now wondering wether to
> > > go and look wether I've still got it somewhere...)
> >
> > I think I'll dig my copy out again, it's been a Loooong time since
> > i last played it through.
>
> hmm now you've caught my attention, I want to play this. But all I
> can find online is reviews, walkthroughs and dead pages, anyone know
> where I can get a copy?
>
> Andrea

You can get the non-talkie version from a lot of abandonware sites.
But if you can track it down, get the CD version. It's just not the
same without the voices.

Simon Callan

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Oct 7, 2001, 5:10:32 PM10/7/01
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In message <4ac52b8d...@freeserve.co.uk>
Kincaid <Kin...@kincaid.org.uk> wrote:

> In article <efusrtcv9pteia8vu...@4ax.com>,
> David Jensen <da...@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
> > > opening multiple files in one session. Ahh, I love vim!
>
> > Well, we'll have to send you to an EMACS evangelist then.
>
> Noooooo! not a VIMACS thread!
>
> Anyway, I can can kill this now,as any fule no that !StrongEd is the
> One True Editor, never mind what those !Zap fiends say...

You poor, deluded fool you.

Simon

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Andrea

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"phobos" <pho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:af26c87a.0110...@posting.google.com...

> "Andrea" <and...@rason.co.uk> wrote in message
news:<9pmdlk$ja4h8$1...@ID-54343.news.dfncis.de>...

<snip stiff>

> > hmm now you've caught my attention, I want to play this. But all
I
> > can find online is reviews, walkthroughs and dead pages, anyone
know
> > where I can get a copy?
> >
> > Andrea
>
> You can get the non-talkie version from a lot of abandonware sites.
> But if you can track it down, get the CD version. It's just not the
> same without the voices.

am searching on ebay there was one I missed and another one that's
being fiercly bid for, is it you lot?

Andrea
--
'here siggi siggi..... '
now where has the dratted thing got to this time
if anyone sees it please return to one of the above addresses


Aquarion

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Oct 8, 2001, 4:54:12 AM10/8/01
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On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 06:13:00 CET, Ti...@typhoon.kruemel.org (Tina Hall)
wrote:

>Hello You Out There
>
>You lot know all sorts of things, so maybe someone here remembers
>what the guy in the computer game Day of the Tentacle was called,
>that almost never took his hands out of his trouser pockets
>(except to surf in the time machine, afair).

Hellfire.

Damnation.

Large firey places of non-happiness.

Missed a games thread :)

Okay, For those of you still watching "Buy DoTT. It's just been
rereleased in DVD-Case style in the UK bundled with Sam & Max. DoTT is
*ace*[1], Sam & Max is *nearly as ace*[1]. The package together is
just *acer*[2].


Yours in Total Sincerity

Aquarion D'Blue
--
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problems are in much better shape. They also drive nicer cars and have
perfect hair. By all indications, my problems work in marketing
[ Quote: TheSpark | Post : Aquarion | Website : www.aquarionics.com ]

[1] And yes, I know. Sophie Aldred jokes aside for the moment.
[2] Without the inherant suckysuckyness of the aforementioned PC
retailer.

Ben Hutchings

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Oct 8, 2001, 8:45:32 PM10/8/01
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In article <4ac52b8d...@freeserve.co.uk>,

Kincaid <Kin...@kincaid.org.uk> wrote:
>In article <efusrtcv9pteia8vu...@4ax.com>,
> David Jensen <da...@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
>> >opening multiple files in one session. Ahh, I love vim!
>
>> Well, we'll have to send you to an EMACS evangelist then.
>
>Noooooo! not a VIMACS thread!
>
>Anyway, I can can kill this now,as any fule no that !StrongEd is the One
>True Editor, never mind what those !Zap fiends say...

Zap should only be the name of a hex-editor. You Acorn users are just
nuts.
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If more than one person is responsible for a bug, no one is at fault.

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Chris Share

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On Tue, 09 Oct 2001 12:32:52 GMT, Salamander(hama...@yahoo.com)
said..
>Coming from a large hole in a corner of alt.fan.pratchett, Kincaid

><Kin...@kincaid.org.uk>'s voice said:
>>In article <efusrtcv9pteia8vu...@4ax.com>,
>> David Jensen <da...@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
>>> >opening multiple files in one session. Ahh, I love vim!
>>
>>> Well, we'll have to send you to an EMACS evangelist then.
>>
>>Noooooo! not a VIMACS thread!
>>
>>Anyway, I can can kill this now,as any fule no that !StrongEd is the One
>>True Editor, never mind what those !Zap fiends say...
>>
>Pfffooo...
>
>Everyone knows that Locoscript 2.0 is the only TRUE wordprocessor...

Pah. Wordwise, comes in just 16k. Or is it 8? Anyway, it's on the BBC,
so wins by miles :)

Superwriter on my Apricot PC was quite good too...

chris

gra...@affordable-leather.co.ukdeletethis

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Oct 9, 2001, 5:13:32 PM10/9/01
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Hi there,

On Tue, 9 Oct 2001 17:11:26 +0100, Chris Share
<ch...@caesium.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Pah. Wordwise, comes in just 16k. Or is it 8? Anyway, it's on the BBC,
>so wins by miles :)

I believe it was an 8k rom.

There again, I remember one of my old computing lecturers telling me
about a mainframe word processor he used that was *batch* processed.

You got your printed document back and you had to create a punched
card file with all the changes, send that back, get it processed
(after it had waited its turn for computer time, of course!) and then
you'd get your re-printed document returned!

Cheers,
Graham.

Eric Jarvis

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Oct 9, 2001, 5:57:10 PM10/9/01
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that's how I learned

which is why I almost completely eschewed computers for over fifteen
years after I left University

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Mark

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Oct 12, 2001, 5:09:12 PM10/12/01
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In article <9pthbc$7gh$1...@zzumbouk.i.decadentplace.org.uk>,
Ben Hutchings <ben-publ...@decadentplace.org.uk> wrote:

> Zap should only be the name of a hex-editor. You Acorn users are just
> nuts.

Us, Nuts!?! Never!!!!!

Anyway !Zap /is/ partially hex-editor, as well as BASIC, Inform, etc.

Gimme !Zap any day. Never !StrongEd. I used to make adventure games in !Zap
for the Inform compiler.

Just wondering, how many RISC OS (not Acorn anymore) users are here. And how
many think !Pluto is superior to any PC e-mail package?

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Oct 13, 2001, 5:04:26 AM10/13/01
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In message <4ac879572f...@buckner.org.uk>
Mark <Marko...@libertysurf.co.uk> wrote:

> Just wondering, how many RISC OS (not Acorn anymore) users are here.

<waves> :)

> And how many think !Pluto is superior to any PC e-mail package?

Well, obviously. But Messenger(Pro) is superior to Pluto... ;-P

ATB,
Matthew
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Inigo: Fezzik, tear his arms off. Yellin: Oh, you mean *this* gate key.

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Mark

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In article <4AC8BAD228%matthew.s...@trinity.oxford.ac.uk>,

Matthew Somerville <matthew.s...@trinity.oxford.ac.uk> wrote:
> In message <4ac879572f...@buckner.org.uk>
> Mark <Marko...@libertysurf.co.uk> wrote:

> > Just wondering, how many RISC OS (not Acorn anymore) users are here.

> <waves> :)

Woohoo!

> > And how many think !Pluto is superior to any PC e-mail package?

> Well, obviously. But Messenger(Pro) is superior to Pluto... ;-P

Never used it. Read a review though.

You've got to love the fact that a program that rivals (exceeds? ;-)
Mickey$oft Office can arrive on four or five floppies.

I feel like breaking out my "Acorn User - and proud of it" sig again ;-)

Paul S. Brown

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Oct 13, 2001, 8:24:55 PM10/13/01
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:08:34 +0100, Mark <Marko...@libertysurf.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <4AC8BAD228%matthew.s...@trinity.oxford.ac.uk>,
> Matthew Somerville <matthew.s...@trinity.oxford.ac.uk> wrote:
>> In message <4ac879572f...@buckner.org.uk>
>> Mark <Marko...@libertysurf.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> > Just wondering, how many RISC OS (not Acorn anymore) users are here.
>
>> <waves> :)
>
>Woohoo!
>
>> > And how many think !Pluto is superior to any PC e-mail package?
>
>> Well, obviously. But Messenger(Pro) is superior to Pluto... ;-P
>
>Never used it. Read a review though.
>
>You've got to love the fact that a program that rivals (exceeds? ;-)
>Mickey$oft Office can arrive on four or five floppies.
>

Not that big a shock. MS Office 2 for DOS has most of the functionality
that anybody uses of Office, and it came on 5 720k disks, and would fit
on 3 1.44MB disks.

So, MS writes worse code than MS.

Lather, rinse repeat

Paul


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Being paid to be a geek is a state of utopia
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phobos

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Oct 14, 2001, 12:35:10 PM10/14/01
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"Andrea" <and...@rason.co.uk> wrote in message news:<9prf9m$j5k1j$1...@ID-54343.news.dfncis.de>...

> "phobos" <pho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:af26c87a.0110...@posting.google.com...
> > "Andrea" <and...@rason.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<9pmdlk$ja4h8$1...@ID-54343.news.dfncis.de>...
>
> <snip stiff>
>
> > > hmm now you've caught my attention, I want to play this. But all
> I
> > > can find online is reviews, walkthroughs and dead pages, anyone
> know
> > > where I can get a copy?
> > >
> > > Andrea
> >
> > You can get the non-talkie version from a lot of abandonware sites.
> > But if you can track it down, get the CD version. It's just not the
> > same without the voices.
>
> am searching on ebay there was one I missed and another one that's
> being fiercly bid for, is it you lot?
>

I bought 'Day of the Tentacle' and 'Sam & Max Hit The Road' in a
2-pack from Game today. £15. www.game.uk.com

Ahh, nostalgia.

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