Rincewind Costume
Robin van Steenbergen
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For an upcoming convention in May I'm planning to do a Rincewind
costume. However, since Rincewind is a book character, there is not a
single reference on how to construct a costume which is supposed to
represent Rincewind. I was thinking of taking the TV adaptation as a
reference, but as of yet, there aren't any photographs of the
characters, and I have no idea when Sky will broadcast "The Colour of
Magic".
One thing is pretty obvious: The wizard robe is pretty recognizable as
being Rincewind. The exact color and decoration still stands to reason,
but it's probably a burgundy or dark red color, with gold-threaded
embroideries on it. Since I'm planning to do a "The Colour of Magic"
version (I'm too young to do any subsequent versions), I'll probably be
dropping the hat. I can make the hat later if I really want to.
What I'm still confused about is what should be worn under the robe.
Various illustrations online and on the Discworld book covers show a lot
if difference in Rincewind interpretations. Should it be a set of
trousers and tunic, shirt, or anything else? Same goes with the shoes
and accessories.
Who has built a Rincewind costume on the group already, and is willing
to provide me with some reference?
Sabremeister Brian
Robin van Steenbergen <ston...@stoneynet.nl> said:
> Back from about 6 month's absence from AFP, time to chip in some new
> contributions :)
>
> For an upcoming convention in May I'm planning to do a Rincewind
> costume. However, since Rincewind is a book character, there is not
> a
> single reference on how to construct a costume which is supposed to
> represent Rincewind. I was thinking of taking the TV adaptation as a
> reference, but as of yet, there aren't any photographs of the
> characters, and I have no idea when Sky will broadcast "The Colour
> of
> Magic".
>
> One thing is pretty obvious: The wizard robe is pretty recognizable
> as
> being Rincewind. The exact color and decoration still stands to
> reason, but it's probably a burgundy or dark red color, with
> gold-threaded embroideries on it. Since I'm planning to do a "The
> Colour of Magic" version (I'm too young to do any subsequent
> versions), I'll probably be dropping the hat. I can make the hat
> later if I really want to.
Have you not read any of the wizard books? Equal Rites, Sourcery,
Eric, Moving Pictures, Reaper Man, Lords & Ladies, Interesting Times,
The Last Continent, all make reference to the ultimate importance of
the pointy hat to magical practitioners. (I don't include TCOM or TLF
in the list because it's been so long since I read them I can't
remember any details.) You need a hat.
> What I'm still confused about is what should be worn under the robe.
> Various illustrations online and on the Discworld book covers show a
> lot if difference in Rincewind interpretations. Should it be a set
> of
> trousers and tunic, shirt, or anything else? Same goes with the
> shoes
> and accessories.
>
> Who has built a Rincewind costume on the group already, and is
> willing
> to provide me with some reference?
Here's mine:
http://www.sabremeister.me.uk/DW/images/Rincewind.jpg
http://www.sabremeister.me.uk/DW/DWC06pics3.html
(There may be others in other DWCon06 photo galleries)
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>
> Have you not read any of the wizard books? Equal Rites, Sourcery,
> Eric, Moving Pictures, Reaper Man, Lords & Ladies, Interesting Times,
> The Last Continent, all make reference to the ultimate importance of
> the pointy hat to magical practitioners. (I don't include TCOM or TLF
> in the list because it's been so long since I read them I can't
> remember any details.) You need a hat.
True, and I know that in later Discworld books, Rincewind is wearing a
hat, but in The Colour of Magic, no hat is mentioned (whereas all of the
other wizards at the University were wearing a hat). There may be a
quote somewhere in Colour/Light which says that Rincewind is wearing a
hat, but I may have missed that. Besides, having a hat is downright
impractical if you're running away from everything all the time. It'll
just blow off. ;)
Daniel Orner
Um, the "Wizzard" part of the hat is quite prominent in describing
Rincewind.
You can go The Last Continent and surround it by corks, and show up in
a pair of shorts.
Robin van Steenbergen
> Um, the "Wizzard" part of the hat is quite prominent in describing
> Rincewind.
> You can go The Last Continent and surround it by corks, and show up
> in a pair of shorts.
I was already planning the "Wizzard" hat, and I'm not saying it
shouldn't be part of Rincewind. But I don't recall it being mentioned in
TCoM, which is the version I'm planning to make. Cosplaying an older
Rincewind at 24 doesn't make a very credible impression.
I was wondering what would distinguish Rincewind from the "any other
wizard" costume that you can see everywhere. The video game graphics may
be a good reference part, and the upcoming TV adaptation may also be a
good source for costume reference. But there is no telling when the
adaptation will be out. The main thing I was searching for is details,
like what the embroidery on the robe should look like, or what Rincewind
would wear under it.
Gift
"Robin van Steenbergen" <ston...@stoneynet.nl> wrote in message
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> I was wondering what would distinguish Rincewind from the "any other
> wizard" costume that you can see everywhere.
The hat again, but with "wizzard" writen on it.
Interesting Times mentions that Twoflowers described Rincewind in his book
as "wizzard", so he has read it somewhere. Probably on the hat itself (in
the period of the first two books, so with the younger Rincewind).
Arthur Hagen
>
> True, and I know that in later Discworld books, Rincewind is wearing a
> hat, but in The Colour of Magic, no hat is mentioned (whereas all of
> the other wizards at the University were wearing a hat).
I'm sorry to hear that you have only been exposed to a severely shortened
version of TCoM. I know one of the audio books was heavily abridged, but to
/that/ extent?
> Besides, having a hat is
> downright impractical if you're running away from everything all the
> time. It'll just blow off. ;)
Um, that's one of the /points/.
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Robin van Steenbergen
Alright, regardless of the whole meaning of having a hat in the first
place, my primary concern is making the whole thing recognizable,
preferably also (somewhat) recognizable for non-Pratchett readers, so I
don't get mistaken for an improvised Dumbledore at a costume contest :)...
My first question would be: What should it look like? What colour
combination would it be? I'm thinking primarily burgundy and gold, but
there is a lot of variation. The video game variant (DW2), for example,
shows a costume that is almost like a Santa Claus robe and hat, whereas
the cover illustrations for the books are completely different. What
should I wear under the robe? I mean, 'basic black' (black trousers and
T-shirt) is very common in the LARP circuit, but it doesn't add a lot of
detailing.
I will probably be doing the 'WIZZARD' hat, if I can find a suitable hat
to modify. Making a hat from scratch is a quite tedious and cumbersome
process.
Arthur Hagen
>
> My first question would be: What should it look like? What colour
> combination would it be?
The colour and appearance of Rincewind's clothing is also described in the
books.
> I will probably be doing the 'WIZZARD' hat, if I can find a suitable
> hat to modify. Making a hat from scratch is a quite tedious and
> cumbersome process.
If making a true hat, sure.
Most "wizzards" simply go for a brimless[1] cone instead, incorporating the
seam into the design (or just not caring that people can see it). And a
brimless cone hat takes all of a few minutes to make -- you don't even have
to measure the head first, but simply cut down on the hat until it fits, and
then put a ribbon around the edge.
[1]: Despite TLC letting us know that it did have a brim.
Regards,
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Len Oil
> I will probably be doing the 'WIZZARD' hat, if I can find a suitable hat
> to modify. Making a hat from scratch is a quite tedious and cumbersome
> process.
Conical with (possibly engineered/stitched-in[1]) kink/crumple or two in
its upper reaches and suitably stubbier 'cone' (centre missing) as brim?
(May or may not have a cylindrical 'band' above the brim, below the
cone-proper.)
I was going to suggest you look in The Last Hero for... if not
TCOM/TLF-style Rincewind, at least the Rincewind that has 'evolved' in
the mould of general universal recognition.
[1] You may wish to 'artfully distress' the conic shape, after
originally forming it from a sector's-worth of a circle of cloth, then
reinforce it /in/ that crumpled form to retain the aesthetic nature.
The alternative to that may be to make each 'radii' to the template
jagged/curved in just the right way as to force a suitable twist to it,
when their edges are brought together. Perhaps practice on small pieces
of gauze to see what works in fabric (I was going to say paper, but it
won't 'hang' the same, I fear, as a textile...)
Puck
> True, and I know that in later Discworld books, Rincewind is wearing a
> hat, but in The Colour of Magic, no hat is mentioned (whereas all of the
> other wizards at the University were wearing a hat). There may be a
> quote somewhere in Colour/Light which says that Rincewind is wearing a
> hat, but I may have missed that. Besides, having a hat is downright
> impractical if you're running away from everything all the time. It'll
> just blow off. ;)
In TCOM he is captured by that dryad and, when listing his
less-than-wizardly qualities she mentions that he is not wearing a hat.
He says is blew off, which is probably a lie along with everything else
he tells her (like having a familiar that died and a staff he forgot).
On the other hand, the "Wizzard" is mentioned on Twoflower's book (it is
how they decided he meant Rincewind), so presumably he had it while they
were traveling together.
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"Robin van Steenbergen" <ston...@stoneynet.nl> wrote in message
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> Back from about 6 month's absence from AFP, time to chip in some new
> contributions :)
>
<SNIP>
> Who has built a Rincewind costume on the group already, and is willing to
> provide me with some reference?
I haven't done one myself but the guys from Snowgum films did a great job
for the opening of last years Australian convention.
Photos are available on the Con Flickr site. Here is a link to the ones I
put up, I'm pretty sure there are more elsewhere on the site.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/18197137@N00/page3/
Cheers,
Anthony
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Gift
"Robin van Steenbergen" <ston...@stoneynet.nl> wrote in message
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> My first question would be: What should it look like? What colour
> combination would it be? I'm thinking primarily burgundy and gold, but
> there is a lot of variation. The video game variant (DW2), for example,
> shows a costume that is almost like a Santa Claus robe and hat, whereas
> the cover illustrations for the books are completely different. What
> should I wear under the robe? I mean, 'basic black' (black trousers and
> T-shirt) is very common in the LARP circuit, but it doesn't add a lot of
> detailing.
>
The dress itself should look battered, torn and dirty, but with a hint of
faided tasteless grandeur. So a faded burgundy coulour, bad repair stitching
and some loose decoration (rhinestones or something) should do the trick.
Aim for the "wizard down on his luck" look
Gary N
$22163$e4fe...@dreader12.news.xs4all.nl:
> Back from about 6 month's absence from AFP, time to chip in some new
> contributions :)
>
> For an upcoming convention in May I'm planning to do a Rincewind
> costume. However, since Rincewind is a book character, there is not a
> single reference on how to construct a costume which is supposed to
> represent Rincewind. I was thinking of taking the TV adaptation as a
> reference, but as of yet, there aren't any photographs of the
> characters, and I have no idea when Sky will broadcast "The Colour of
> Magic".
Buy large pointy hat.
Sew on sequins spelling "Wizzard" (on the hat not - oooohhh that must have
hurt!)
Wear dressing gown (bathrobe for non-UKians).
Put on the sandals that you bought 3 years ago and have been too
embarrassed ever to wear.
That's it.
gary
P.S. Be able to run...:-)
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Robin van Steenbergen
>
> Buy large pointy hat.
>
> Sew on sequins spelling "Wizzard" (on the hat not - oooohhh that must have
> hurt!)
>
> Wear dressing gown (bathrobe for non-UKians).
>
> Put on the sandals that you bought 3 years ago and have been too
> embarrassed ever to wear.
>
> That's it.
>
> gary
>
> P.S. Be able to run...:-)
>
That would be the 'quick and dirty way'. Nice and comfortable on a
convention floor, but not a real costume contest winner. :)
Gary N
I'm a biker - "Quick and Dirty" is what we do..:-)
gary
Alec Cawley
I agree- the look is almost as important as the clothes. Scruffy,
unshaven, depressed, nervously twitchy.
For some reason, my imagination puts under the robe knee length thermal
underwear - long johns. But nothing that will restrict a runner.
Robin van Steenbergen
> I agree- the look is almost as important as the clothes. Scruffy,
> unshaven, depressed, nervously twitchy.
>
> For some reason, my imagination puts under the robe knee length thermal
> underwear - long johns. But nothing that will restrict a runner.
In TCoM, you of course have the scene where Rincewind has been
transported into another dimension aboard an aircraft (as Rijnswand),
and the text does describe him being amazed by the fact that he is
wearing trousers (or jeans). I therefore am wondering what he would have
been wearing underneath the robe on the Disc, a skirt would be somewhat
impractical and nothing also seems a little awkward.
Chris Zakes
Drawers or braies under a long robe seems to be a common option with
medieval tunics, but you could always go "regimental."
Consider the fellow chopping the tree in the background compared to
the central seated figure in this medieval illumination:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Les_Tr%C3%A8s_Riches_Heures_du_duc_de_Berry_f%C3%A9vrier.jpg
-Chris Zakes
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Martyn Clapham
<len...@lenoil.demon.co.uk> writes
>Robin van Steenbergen wrote:
>> I will probably be doing the 'WIZZARD' hat, if I can find a suitable
>>hat to modify. Making a hat from scratch is a quite tedious and
>>cumbersome process.
>
>Conical with (possibly engineered/stitched-in[1]) kink/crumple or two
>in its upper reaches and suitably stubbier 'cone' (centre missing) as
>brim?
...
>
>[1] You may wish to 'artfully distress' the conic shape, after
>originally forming it from a sector's-worth of a circle of cloth, then
>reinforce it /in/ that crumpled form to retain the aesthetic nature.
>The alternative to that may be to make each 'radii' to the template
>jagged/curved in just the right way as to force a suitable twist to it,
>when their edges are brought together. Perhaps practice on small
>pieces of gauze to see what works in fabric (I was going to say paper,
>but it won't 'hang' the same, I fear, as a textile...)
Slightly more long-winded is my method of 'distressing' a Rincewind hat.
Take a piece of paper and form cone shape about 6" across and 18" high.
Take a somewhat smaller piece and form another very small cone to go at
the top of the first cone to seal the hole. Add sticky letters saying
"Wizzard" and several plastic 'gemstones'.
Attach to top of model rocket then launch ( and recover by a parachute
that makes it come down point first ) at several CCDE and rocketry
events. :-)
This takes several years, but you do get a very distressed hat!
Mart.
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Alec Cawley
Towards the end ot TLC he is dangled upside down so that his robe falls
over his eyes by the Librarian. Now the Librarian is (a) not human, and
(b) heads a library which contains every conceivable book of
pornography, and probably a large number of unconceivable ones, so is
unlikely to be distressed by any undue exposure. Nonetheless, I feel
that, in the spirit of the books, Rincewind's modesty was somehow conserver,
Len Oil
> In TCoM, you of course have the scene where Rincewind has been
> transported into another dimension aboard an aircraft (as Rijnswand),
> and the text does describe him being amazed by the fact that he is
> wearing trousers (or jeans). I therefore am wondering what he would have
> been wearing underneath the robe on the Disc, a skirt would be somewhat
> impractical and nothing also seems a little awkward.
c.f the image on p82[1], upon the 'device' used to test the human body
(the sample of one being, inevitably, Rincewind) against the perceived
rigours of the forthcoming flight?
[1] Or thereabouts, if not the /exact/ same version of the book. Not
going to bother checking all three versions that I possess, you'll find
it there, or even reprinted in 'texture' inside the covers on at least
one version, I think... ;)
Eric Jarvis
says...
In fact there's an opportunity for a laugh there. Since there is, as yet,
no clear authorial direction as to what is worn under Rincewind's robe,
there is a laugh to be had by revealing something unexpected.
Now I don't think frilly lingerie is Ricewind's style, nor would Union
Jack underpants be appropriate, so the classic sight gags are out.
However something appropriately thermal might work with "Wizzard"
embroidered on the back.
--
eric
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Lister
Don't forget the staff with a knob on the end!
Geoff Field
See, of course, the drawing in TLH. Rinso is pictured wearing
something like a loin cloth. I'd guess this would be standard wear
under the robe, particularly if being spun in three directions at once.
Geoff
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But Rincewind doesn't *have* a staff. He's about the only wiz(z)ard
without one, but he's never pictured or described as having one.
Lister
True. I wonder why Rincwind has no staff? Is it because he is a
crappy wizard?
Eric Jarvis
fa...@SPAMclara.net says...
>
> True. I wonder why Rincwind has no staff? Is it because he is a
> crappy wizard?
>
No. It's because their jobs have been outsourced to Klatch.
Chris Zakes
caused Lister <fa...@SPAMclara.net> to write:
(snip)
>True. I wonder why Rincwind has no staff? Is it because he is a
>crappy wizard?
More likely it's because it's easier to run if he's not carrying a big
stick. Since he can't do any spells anyway, the staff is far less
necessary than his hat. Remember that the other wizards don't carry
their staves 24/7 either.
-Chris Zakes
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Arthur Hagen
> crappy wizard?
In TLC, he carries a stick, which is halfway between a staff and a wand.
My guess is that pre-TLF, he didn't carry a staff because of the Octavius
spell making it pointless (or dangerous), and post-TLF, he already has too
much sapient pearwood around, of the jealous kind.
Regards,
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> True. I wonder why Rincwind has no staff? Is it because he is a
> crappy wizard?
I don't believe so. He's really quite a good wizzard, it's just that the
Great Spell lodged in his head keeps bullying or otherwise chasing out the
lesser ones.
I feel his stafflessness may be more related to his courage-level than to
his magicality: Someone who spends a lot of time running away (and in the
distant land of XXXX had to keep making himself sandals out of bits of wood
and flexible twigs because he even ran away without his shoes), he's bound
to have left it somewhere in his terror and his need to escape.
Perhaps it kept falling the day he fell over the Rim and grabbed hold of a
sticky-outy tree? After all, if he's using two cowardly hands to hand on
desperately, he doesn't have a spare one to hold onto his staff. He never
lost his Luggage, but that's only because his Luggage was almost
beligerently loyal. Perhaps any staff owned by a magician whose head
couldn't retain spells felt unloved anyway, and wouldn't make the effort to
coincidentally turn up at his next port of call like the Luggage?
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> G'dday.
>
> "Lister" <fa...@SPAMclara.net> wrote in message
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>
>> True. I wonder why Rincwind has no staff? Is it because he is a
>> crappy wizard?
>
> I don't believe so. He's really quite a good wizzard,
Oh no he's not!
In TCOM, it's said that the opinion of his teachers is that if
he died the average magical ability of everybody on the disc
would go UP. *Before* the Octavo incident, really.
> it's just that
> the Great Spell lodged in his head keeps bullying or otherwise
> chasing out the lesser ones.
There's that, too. That is also mentioned in TCOM/TLF. However,
after it's gone, the only magic he manages to do is that one set of
spells (apart from a very rare assisted zap).
> I feel his stafflessness may be more related to his courage-level
> than to his magicality: Someone who spends a lot of time running away
> (and in the distant land of XXXX had to keep making himself sandals
> out of bits of wood and flexible twigs because he even ran away
> without his shoes), he's bound to have left it somewhere in his
> terror and his need to escape.
Quite likely.
> Perhaps it kept falling the day he fell over the Rim and grabbed hold
> of a sticky-outy tree? After all, if he's using two cowardly hands to
> hand on desperately, he doesn't have a spare one to hold onto his
> staff. He never lost his Luggage, but that's only because his Luggage
> was almost beligerently loyal. Perhaps any staff owned by a magician
> whose head couldn't retain spells felt unloved anyway, and wouldn't
> make the effort to coincidentally turn up at his next port of call
> like the Luggage?
The only spell I recall moving by itself is in Sourcery. I'm sure somebody
will correct me on this issue at some stage.
Graycat
>True. I wonder why Rincwind has no staff? Is it because he is a
>crappy wizard?
I don't think student wizards have them generally, and iirc, Rincewind
never graduated. Also, Ponder doesn't seem to have one, does he?
--
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Richard Bos
> Lister wrote:
> > On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:41:29 +0100, Robin van Steenbergen
> >> I was wondering what would distinguish Rincewind from the "any other
> >> wizard" costume that you can see everywhere. The video game graphics
> >> may be a good reference part, and the upcoming TV adaptation may
> >> also be a good source for costume reference. But there is no telling
> >> when the adaptation will be out. The main thing I was searching for
> >> is details, like what the embroidery on the robe should look like,
> >> or what Rincewind would wear under it.
According to the DW Companion: "a dark red, hooded, frayed plush robe on
which a few mystic sigils are embroidered in tarnished sequins". Also,
he wears (without having the right to it) a bronze UU alumnus medallion,
which is octagonal, and in the accompanying picture has a raised rim
with the Roman numerals I (top) to VII in it, and a rough-hatched centre
which bears the arms of UU: an open spellbook bearing the legend "Nunc
Id Vides [left page, in three lines] Nunc Ne Vides [right, ditto]", over
a pointy hat.
His own hat is described as battered, pointy, floppy brim, "WIZZARD"
badly embroidered in big silver letters, and a star on top which has
lost most of its sequins.
What he wears thereunder is not mentioned, nor TTBOMK anywhere else, but
I would expect either longjohns or a loincloth.
> > Don't forget the staff with a knob on the end!
>
> But Rincewind doesn't *have* a staff. He's about the only wiz(z)ard
> without one, but he's never pictured or described as having one.
That's because he isn't actually a wizard. He's a failed UU student, and
therefore never received a staff.
Richard
Arthur Hagen
>
> The only spell I recall moving by itself is in Sourcery. I'm sure
> somebody will correct me on this issue at some stage.
Consider yourself corrected -- books in the UU library are often chained
down, because of spells flapping around.
Regards,
--
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Alec Cawley
>
> True. I wonder why Rincwind has no staff? Is it because he is a
> crappy wizard?
He never graduated. Students don't have staffs. Rincewind was really
cheating when he called himself a Wizard in the earlier books. Or maybe
that is why he called himself a Wizzard. He is now, I think, entitled to
call himself a Wizard, because in IT he performed a deed of great
service to Wizardry. However, in the confusion of his reunion with his
academic peers (TLC) it seems to have got forgotten. And Rincewind is
not one to rock the boat when he has all the boredom he can ask for and
seven buckets of coal.
Geoff Field
Oops. My error - typing at 2:30AM while checking a computer
scan progress after almost waking from sleep is NOT a good
idea ;-)
s/spell/staff/
Geoff Field
[snip]
> What he wears thereunder is not mentioned, nor TTBOMK anywhere else,
> but I would expect either longjohns or a loincloth.
See the illustrations in TLH for illumination...
Sabremeister Brian
Geoff Field <geoff...@hotmail.com> said:
> Nisaba Merrieweather wrote:
>> G'dday.
>>
>> "Lister" <fa...@SPAMclara.net> wrote in message
>> news:a6a2p3tvt4sskdcsk...@4ax.com...
>>
>>> True. I wonder why Rincwind has no staff? Is it because he is a
>>> crappy wizard?
>>
>> I don't believe so. He's really quite a good wizzard,
>
> Oh no he's not!
>
> In TCOM, it's said that the opinion of his teachers is that if
> he died the average magical ability of everybody on the disc
> would go UP. *Before* the Octavo incident, really.
I don't know about TCOM, but it says that as part of the narration on
p17 of Sourcery. On p28, we find out that one of Rincewind's tutors
said, "to call his understanding of magical theory abysmal is to leave
no suitable word to describe his grasp of its' practice".
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Len Oil
> Robin van Steenbergen wrote:
>> In TCoM, you of course have the scene where Rincewind has been
>> transported into another dimension aboard an aircraft (as Rijnswand),
>> and the text does describe him being amazed by the fact that he is
>> wearing trousers (or jeans). I therefore am wondering what he would
>> have been wearing underneath the robe on the Disc, a skirt would be
>> somewhat impractical and nothing also seems a little awkward.
>
> c.f the image on p82[1], upon the 'device' used to test the human body
> (the sample of one being, inevitably, Rincewind) against the perceived
> rigours of the forthcoming flight?
[snip footnote that didn't help]
Darn proofreading. This was referring to TLH, of course, but I don't
know how many of you would have known that before it was mentioned by
others (confusing me as to why it was being, until I decided to check
back)...
Reader in Invisible Writings
> Richard Bos wrote:
> [snip]
>> What he wears thereunder is not mentioned, nor TTBOMK anywhere else,
>> but I would expect either longjohns or a loincloth.
>
> See the illustrations in TLH for illumination...
>
> Geoff
>
robe into his britches. Or is that IT?
Len Oil
> I have a vague recollection that in TLC he is described as tucking his
> robe into his britches. Or is that IT?
Intermediate overwear to his underwear?
Daniel Orner
> Lister wrote:
>
>>
>> True. I wonder why Rincwind has no staff? Is it because he is a
>> crappy wizard?
>
> He never graduated. Students don't have staffs.
Staves, possibly?
John Wilkins
> Alec Cawley wrote:
> > Lister wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> True. I wonder why Rincwind has no staff? Is it because he is a
> >> crappy wizard?
> >
> > He never graduated. Students don't have staffs.
>
> Staves, possibly?
Would that make it a Clef stick?
>
> > Rincewind was really
> > cheating when he called himself a Wizard in the earlier books. Or maybe
> > that is why he called himself a Wizzard. He is now, I think, entitled to
> > call himself a Wizard, because in IT he performed a deed of great
> > service to Wizardry. However, in the confusion of his reunion with his
> > academic peers (TLC) it seems to have got forgotten. And Rincewind is
> > not one to rock the boat when he has all the boredom he can ask for and
> > seven buckets of coal.
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Philosophy
University of Queensland - Blog: scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts
"He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor,
bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."
Anery
He was appointed Egregious Professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
afterwards. That probably does mean that he can call himself a wizard.
However, he is not entitled to wages, or to teach, or to express any
opinions on anything, or order anyone around, or wear any special
robes, or publish anything, which he gladly agreed with. A staff is
probably one of those things which would be considered unnecessarily
provoking, and would be of no special benefit to him.
Anery
Daniel Orner
Wasn't that after his Service To Magic in Interesting Times?
Anery
> Anery wrote:
>
> > He was appointed Egregious Professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
> > afterwards. That probably does mean that he can call himself a wizard.
> > However, he is not entitled to wages, or to teach, or to express any
> > opinions on anything, or order anyone around, or wear any special
> > robes, or publish anything, which he gladly agreed with. A staff is
> > probably one of those things which would be considered unnecessarily
> > provoking, and would be of no special benefit to him.
>
>
>
Yes, it was after his Service To Magic, but not immediately, and not
as a direct consequence. The place itself became vacant later, during
the events in "The Last Continent". The appointment itself is being
described in "Science of Discworld I". IIRC, the main reason was the
Roundworld project and the need of a victim to be sent to Roundworld
with the help of Hex. But Rincewind has been made clear by the
Archchancellor that the appointment took place just because it was
cheaper than repainting the title on the door.
So it didn't happen because of his Service to Magic, but at best
because he proved himself to be very likely to survive dangerous
situations.
Anery
Richard Bos
> Richard Bos wrote:
> [snip]
> > What he wears thereunder is not mentioned, nor TTBOMK anywhere else,
> > but I would expect either longjohns or a loincloth.
>
> See the illustrations in TLH for illumination...
They're ambiguous. On the testing machine he's wearing a loincloth, but
that's a special situation. There's no real reason to assume that that's
all he normally wears underneath his robe, or even that he wears it
under his robe at all. It may be a UU equivalent of swimming shorts, or
a hospital gown. In any case, on the next page, there's a picture of him
wearing a swamp-dragon jetpack[1], and he seems to be wearing brown (or
maybe just discoloured) linen trousers underneath.
Richard
[1] Rather him than me...
Richard Bos
> On 19. Jan, 21:47 h., Alec Cawley <n...@spamspam.co.uk> wrote:
> > Lister wrote:
> >
> > > True. =A0I wonder why Rincwind has no staff? =A0Is it because he is a
> > > crappy wizard?
> >
> > He never graduated. Students don't have staffs. Rincewind was really
> > cheating when he called himself a Wizard in the earlier books. Or maybe
> > that is why he called himself a Wizzard. He is now, I think, entitled to
> > call himself a Wizard, because in IT he performed a deed of great
> > service to Wizardry. However, in the confusion of his reunion with his
> > academic peers (TLC) it seems to have got forgotten. And Rincewind is
> > not one to rock the boat when he has all the boredom he can ask for and
> > seven buckets of coal.
>
> He was appointed Egregious Professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
> afterwards. That probably does mean that he can call himself a wizard.
Not necessarily. There are lecturers at Roundworld universities who
can't call themselves Professor, and professors who aren't entitled to
Doctor.
Richard
marz
> G'dday.
>
> "Lister" <fa...@SPAMclara.net> wrote in message
> news:a6a2p3tvt4sskdcsk...@4ax.com...
>
>> True. I wonder why Rincwind has no staff? Is it because he is a
>> crappy wizard?
>
> I don't believe so. He's really quite a good wizzard, it's just that the
> Great Spell lodged in his head keeps bullying or otherwise chasing out the
> lesser ones.
>
> I feel his stafflessness may be more related to his courage-level than to
> his magicality: Someone who spends a lot of time running away (and in the
> distant land of XXXX had to keep making himself sandals out of bits of wood
> and flexible twigs because he even ran away without his shoes), he's bound
> to have left it somewhere in his terror and his need to escape.
>
> Perhaps it kept falling the day he fell over the Rim and grabbed hold of a
> sticky-outy tree? After all, if he's using two cowardly hands to hand on
> desperately, he doesn't have a spare one to hold onto his staff. He never
> lost his Luggage, but that's only because his Luggage was almost
> beligerently loyal. Perhaps any staff owned by a magician whose head
> couldn't retain spells felt unloved anyway, and wouldn't make the effort to
> coincidentally turn up at his next port of call like the Luggage?
>
maybe a senior wizard or the arch-chancellor forbad him a staff?.
Rincewind is the coward's coward!!!!!! :P
BTW is Rincewind only wizard w\o a staff?
Marz
Anery
> Anery <vsp...@atlas.cz> wrote:
> > On 19. Jan, 21:47 h., Alec Cawley <n...@spamspam.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Lister wrote:
>
> > > > I wonder why Rincwind has no staff?
>
> > > cheating when he called himself a Wizard in the earlier books. Or maybe
> > > that is why he called himself a Wizzard. He is now, I think, entitled to
> > > call himself a Wizard, because in IT he performed a deed of great
> > > service to Wizardry. However, in the confusion of his reunion with his
> > > academic peers (TLC) it seems to have got forgotten. And Rincewind is
> > > not one to rock the boat when he has all the boredom he can ask for and
> > > seven buckets of coal.
>
> > He was appointed Egregious Professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
> > afterwards. That probably does mean that he can call himself a wizard.
>
> Not necessarily. There are lecturers at Roundworld universities who
> can't call themselves Professor, and professors who aren't entitled to
> Doctor.
>
I'd guess that in the UU, both academic titles in the strict sense
(like Dr.Thaum. or suchlike), and in the broader sense (like
Professor) entitle the holder to call himself "wizard". In Rincewind's
case, preferably not too emphatically.
Anery
Julian Hall
> A staff is probably one of those things which would be considered
> unnecessarily provoking, and would be of no special benefit to him.
>
> Anery
A bit like giving a duck a shotgun.
Theoretically useful *if* the duck knew how to use it and *if* the duck
were daft enough to end up in a position *needing* to.
Rincewind tends to rely on a hefty turn of speed rather than
thaumaturgical gynastics.
Kind regas,
Julian
Julian Hall
> I think "wizard" is a broader category than "Doctor".
> I'd guess that in the UU, both academic titles in the strict sense
> (like Dr.Thaum. or suchlike), and in the broader sense (like
> Professor) entitle the holder to call himself "wizard". In Rincewind's
> case, preferably not too emphatically.
>
> Anery
http://wiki.lspace.org/wiki/UU_degrees
There seem to be several undergraduate degrees. Given that a Batchelors
degree gives no prefix but allows say, a graduate in BSc Molecular Biology
to call themselves a scientist, being given what amounts to an Honorary
B.Thau equates Rincewind with properly qualified wizards.
In much the same way that certain Roundworld personalities have been given
honorary degrees with, in some cases, frankly less justification.
Impractical Necromancy worries me.
Kind regards,
Julian
Elliott Grasett
<snip>
>
> Theoretically useful *if* the duck knew how to use it and *if* the duck
> were daft enough to end up in a position *needing* to.
>
Counterbattery fire?
--
Cheers,
Elliott
Orjan Westin
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:48:44 GMT, marz <lo...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> BTW is Rincewind only wizard w\o a staff?
>
What about Drongo?
Orjan
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Arthur Hagen
> Richard Cole wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:48:44 GMT, marz <lo...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>> BTW is Rincewind only wizard w\o a staff?
>>
>> I don't think Ponder has a staff (perhaps I ought to re-word that!)
>
> What about Drongo?
I don't think he has a Drongo either.
Regards,
--
*Art
Arthur Hagen
>
> There seem to be several undergraduate degrees. Given that a
> Batchelors degree gives no prefix but allows say, a graduate in BSc
> Molecular Biology to call themselves a scientist, being given what
> amounts to an Honorary B.Thau equates Rincewind with properly
> qualified wizards.
>
> In much the same way that certain Roundworld personalities have been
> given honorary degrees with, in some cases, frankly less
> justification.
>
> Impractical Necromancy worries me.
It's just dead reckoning, and nothing to be a wraith of. You don't show the
right esprit de corpse, and might want to run back to your mummy...
Regards,
--
*Art
Chucky & Janica
wrote:
I'd also imagine that a staff would be somewhat cumbersome when he's
running away from danger.
Janica
--
Beware of Trojans, they're complete smegheads.
- 13 & 13b of 12, the CMM Collective.
- www.afrj-monkeyhouse.org
Arthur Hagen
[Rincewind and his staff]
>
> I'd also imagine that a staff would be somewhat cumbersome when he's
> running away from danger.
But if he had a staff, he could drop it when he got tired, and then run much
faster!
It'd also be useful for vaulting privets, even though he's not a hedge
wizard.
Regards,
--
*Art
Anery
>
> http://wiki.lspace.org/wiki/UU_degrees
>
> There seem to be several undergraduate degrees. Given that a Batchelors
> degree gives no prefix but allows say, a graduate in BSc Molecular Biology
> to call themselves a scientist, being given what amounts to an Honorary
> B.Thau equates Rincewind with properly qualified wizards.
>
being distracted by the title "honorary wizard of the Unseen
University", which is seen as an equivalent of a honorary
doctorate.
>
> In much the same way that certain Roundworld personalities have been given
> honorary degrees with, in some cases, frankly less justification.
>
> Impractical Necromancy worries me.
>
looks like less justification :-)
Anery
Lister
<a...@broomstick.com> wrote:
>Chucky & Janica <janica...@kolumbus.finland> wrote:
>[Rincewind and his staff]
>>
>> I'd also imagine that a staff would be somewhat cumbersome when he's
>> running away from danger.
>
>But if he had a staff, he could drop it when he got tired, and then run much
>faster!
>
>It'd also be useful for vaulting privets
There's a toilet joke in there somewhere....
Alec Cawley
> Richard Cole wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:48:44 GMT, marz <lo...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>> BTW is Rincewind only wizard w\o a staff?
>>
As a qualified wizard, Ponder probably has a staff - that is to say, a
stick with a knob on the ned. But a wizard's staff is used as a store
and a focus of his wizardly power: he brandishes the staff to use his
power. But Ponder's power is focussed on Hex; his staff is therefore
just a stick, and he doesn't carry it around with him. He exerts power
by his "control" of Hex. But as the principle expounded in Sourcery
makes clear, large amounts of magic are a power in their own right, and
Hex is, as describe in the SOD books, as much a power in its own right
as Ponder's tool (fnar, fnar).
> I don't think Ponder has a staff (perhaps I ought to re-word that!)
>
> What about Drongo?
Drongo is still a student - he has not yet qualified for a staff.
Reader in Invisible Writings
effect, Ponder probably has a folding micro staff which serves his needs
and is always to hand (well would be if he remembered which robe he left
it in :-P )
--
Reader in Invisible Writings.. Something to Ponder upon!
Julian Hall
As Hyacinth Bucket would no doubt point out ;)
'It's Privee' not Privet!' :)
IGMC
Julian
Julian Hall
>> Drongo is still a student - he has not yet qualified for a staff.
> As with the Rite of Ashk Ente which can be performed simply to the same
> effect, Ponder probably has a folding micro staff which serves his needs
> and is always to hand (well would be if he remembered which robe he left
> it in :-P )
Possibly Ponder's staff being the wizard's store for magic is buried
somewhere in Hex. Working on the assumption that Hex operates on magic
(notwithstanding the 'Anthill Inside' sticker ;)) the staff could
therefore be viewed as Hex' PSU.
Kind regards,
Julian
Danny
following stuff about Re: Rincewind Costume:
>Orjan Westin wrote:
>> Richard Cole wrote:
>>> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:48:44 GMT, marz <lo...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>>> BTW is Rincewind only wizard w\o a staff?
>>>
>
>As a qualified wizard, Ponder probably has a staff - that is to say, a
>stick with a knob on the ned. But a wizard's staff is used as a store
>and a focus of his wizardly power: he brandishes the staff to use his
>power. But Ponder's power is focussed on Hex; his staff is therefore
>just a stick, and he doesn't carry it around with him. He exerts power
>by his "control" of Hex. But as the principle expounded in Sourcery
>makes clear, large amounts of magic are a power in their own right, and
>Hex is, as describe in the SOD books, as much a power in its own right
>as Ponder's tool (fnar, fnar).
Maybe Ponder's staff is the BRL? That'd make sense...
--
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Alec Cawley
Indeed - it makes most excellent symbolic sense. Ponder, as a wizard,
exerts his power through the BRL - but he does so to control Hex, in
which he has invested (successfully thus far) his major power.
Len Oil
> Possibly Ponder's staff being the wizard's store for magic is buried
> somewhere in Hex. Working on the assumption that Hex operates on magic
> (notwithstanding the 'Anthill Inside' sticker ;)) the staff could
> therefore be viewed as Hex' PSU.
As a 'magical conduit', perhaps the FSB?
(PS: "Hex'"? While I might be 'wrong' (FCVO...) in using the final 's'
in "Jones's" (and, of course, pronouncing it), I hope that's just a typo
for "Hex's".)
Reader in Invisible Writings
> Back from about 6 month's absence from AFP, time to chip in some new
> contributions :)
>
> For an upcoming convention in May I'm planning to do a Rincewind
> costume. However, since Rincewind is a book character, there is not a
> single reference on how to construct a costume which is supposed to
> represent Rincewind. I was thinking of taking the TV adaptation as a
> reference, but as of yet, there aren't any photographs of the
> characters, and I have no idea when Sky will broadcast "The Colour of
> Magic".
>
> One thing is pretty obvious: The wizard robe is pretty recognizable as
> being Rincewind. The exact color and decoration still stands to reason,
> but it's probably a burgundy or dark red color, with gold-threaded
> embroideries on it. Since I'm planning to do a "The Colour of Magic"
> version (I'm too young to do any subsequent versions), I'll probably be
> dropping the hat. I can make the hat later if I really want to.
>
> What I'm still confused about is what should be worn under the robe.
> Various illustrations online and on the Discworld book covers show a lot
> if difference in Rincewind interpretations. Should it be a set of
> trousers and tunic, shirt, or anything else? Same goes with the shoes
> and accessories.
>
> Who has built a Rincewind costume on the group already, and is willing
> to provide me with some reference?
Stop Press
Although Rincewind's Robe is red and PAul Kidby gives him a red hat in
TLH, his hat is described as being grey in Soucery (page 83 Corgi UK
1989 ed) of course by TLH I believe he had to get a new one (can't
remember quote for why he lost it) and the red one does not have a
(tarnished) star on top!
Danny
<markfo...@hotmail.com>, wrote the following stuff about Re: Rincewind
Costume:
>Stop Press
>Although Rincewind's Robe is red and PAul Kidby gives him a red hat in
>TLH, his hat is described as being grey in Soucery (page 83 Corgi UK
>1989 ed) of course by TLH I believe he had to get a new one (can't
>remember quote for why he lost it) and the red one does not have a
>(tarnished) star on top!
Is the hat referred to in Sourcery Rincewind's own (Wizzard) or the
Archchancellor's hat?
Rincewind loses his hat at the end of Sourcery, I think, when he
ends up stuck in the Dungeon dimensions. The Librarian puts it aside for him.
After the events of Eric, and at the start of Interesting Times,
Rincewind has made himself a replacement 'Wizzard' hat out of desert-island
materials, and gets his real hat back from the Librarian when he returns
to UU (before going to the Counterweight continent). Perhaps the Librarian
washed it? So it was red, but appeared grey due to years of accumulated dust
(accumulated while running very fast).
Seeya. Danny.
Lister
Reader in Invisible Writings
mistaken, but the words, "his own battered grey hat with the tarnished
silver star on top"* would not render to any other meaning.
*paraphrased as I don't have the book to hand, but I am sure the meaning
of battered is knocked about and not covered in a flour paste :-)
Reader in Invisible Writings
silver star on top"* would not render to any other meaning.
*paraphrased as I don't have the book to hand, but I am sure the meaning
of battered is knocked about and not covered in a flour paste :-)
marz
> Daniel Orner <webm...@ffcompendium.com> wrote:
>
>> Alec Cawley wrote:
>>> Lister wrote:
>>>
>>>> True. I wonder why Rincwind has no staff? Is it because he is a
>>>> crappy wizard?
>>> He never graduated. Students don't have staffs.
>
> Would that make it a Clef stick?
>>> Rincewind was really
>>> cheating when he called himself a Wizard in the earlier books. Or maybe
>>> that is why he called himself a Wizzard. He is now, I think, entitled to
>>> call himself a Wizard, because in IT he performed a deed of great
>>> service to Wizardry. However, in the confusion of his reunion with his
>>> academic peers (TLC) it seems to have got forgotten. And Rincewind is
>>> not one to rock the boat when he has all the boredom he can ask for and
>>> seven buckets of coal.
>
>
Why does he need seven buckets of coal? He isn't a swamp dragon or Sybil
Vimes
John Wilkins
Because if he doesn't take it and use it, he'll lose his coal ration,
which he'll *need* in winter.
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Philosophy
University of Queensland - Blog: scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts
"He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor,
bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."
Tiny Bulcher
> marz <lo...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> John Wilkins wrote:
>>> Daniel Orner <webm...@ffcompendium.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alec Cawley wrote:
>>>>> Lister wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> True. I wonder why Rincwind has no staff? Is it because he is a
>>>>>> crappy wizard?
>>>>> He never graduated. Students don't have staffs.
>>>> Staves, possibly?
>>>
>>> Would that make it a Clef stick?
>>>>> Rincewind was really
>>>>> cheating when he called himself a Wizard in the earlier books. Or
>>>>> maybe that is why he called himself a Wizzard. He is now, I
>>>>> think, entitled to call himself a Wizard, because in IT he
>>>>> performed a deed of great service to Wizardry. However, in the
>>>>> confusion of his reunion with his academic peers (TLC) it seems
>>>>> to have got forgotten. And Rincewind is not one to rock the boat
>>>>> when he has all the boredom he can ask for and seven buckets of
>>>>> coal.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Why does he need seven buckets of coal? He isn't a swamp dragon or
>> Sybil Vimes
>
> Because if he doesn't take it and use it, he'll lose his coal ration,
> which he'll *need* in winter.
And besides, he can flog the surplus to the dragon sanctuary in summer.
Reader in Invisible Writings
on and so on for the other six titles he has acquired. I don't think
that the older Wizards realise this is the result of dumping unwanted
titles (such as Reader in Fretwork) on Rincewind, but I recal that
Ponder has noticed the same (dis) advantage. BTW, I get the impression
that Rincewind is not astute enough to hoard (if he could persuade the
Luggage perhaps) or to sell off the coal, but burns it even in high
summer. It's a dig at the governmental budget process - spend it or
lose it, cause you can't save it.
Alec Cawley
You have to read the book to understand - I am not going to spoil it for
those who haven't seen the joke.
Bonzai Kitten
> "Robin van Steenbergen" <stone...@stoneynet.nl> wrote in messagenews:478c9d99$0$22163$e4fe...@dreader12.news.xs4all.nl...
>
> > Back from about 6 month's absence from AFP, time to chip in some new
> > contributions :)
>
>
> > Who has built a Rincewind costume on the group already, and is willing to
> > provide me with some reference?
>
> for the opening of last years Australian convention.
> Photos are available on the Con Flickr site. Here is a link to the ones I
> put up, I'm pretty sure there are more elsewhere on the site.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/18197137@N00/page3/
>
> Cheers,
> Anthony
>
> --
> If at first you don't succeed,
> avoid skydiving.
I think the person who made that was Pat, from the Australian
Discworld Convention committee: his email is on the website
http://ausdwcon.org/pages/contact_us
Bonzai Kitten
> I think the person who made that was Pat, from the Australian
> Discworld Convention committee: his email is on the websitehttp://ausdwcon.org/pages/contact_us
Oh, and I forgot to say, Interesting times mentions that a wizard
would sooner forgo his robe and trousers before his pointy hat. So I'd
say that's a vote for trousers AND robe.
Julian Hall
> (PS: "Hex'"? While I might be 'wrong' (FCVO...) in using the final 's'
> in "Jones's" (and, of course, pronouncing it), I hope that's just a typo
> for "Hex's".)
No, no typo.. Hex's sounded clumsy and wrong when I said it to myself :)
Kind regards,
Julian
Julian Hall
> Yes, I know that Julian
Well if you knew I was getting my coat you could have held the door open ;)
redtiger
"Bonzai Kitten" <The.Bonz...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jan 16, 1:04 pm, "redtiger" <redtigeriiS...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> "Robin van Steenbergen" <stone...@stoneynet.nl> wrote in
>> messagenews:478c9d99$0$22163$e4fe...@dreader12.news.xs4all.nl...
>>
>> > Back from about 6 month's absence from AFP, time to chip in some new
>> > contributions :)
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>> > Who has built a Rincewind costume on the group already, and is willing
>> > to
>> > provide me with some reference?
>>
>> I haven't done one myself but the guys from Snowgum films did a great job
>> for the opening of last years Australian convention.
>> Photos are available on the Con Flickr site. Here is a link to the ones I
>> put up, I'm pretty sure there are more elsewhere on the site.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/18197137@N00/page3/
>>
>
> Discworld Convention committee: his email is on the website
> http://ausdwcon.org/pages/contact_us
Are you sure it was Pat? I didn't think he was actually involved with the
Snowgum guys.
Anthony
--
Light is faster than sound.
That's why people seem bright until you hear them speak.
John Duncan Yoyo
Costume creation was credited to Emily McGregor by Snowgum Films.
http://www.snowgumfilms.com/runrincewindrun/credits.html
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