petition to make Pterry a Sir
House Atreides
I am guessing this has been posted here somewhere, but a *bump* never hurts,
so:
There is a new petition up on the UK Government's official Number 10 website
to suggest that Terry is awarded a knighthood for his service to literature.
You need to be a UK resident to be able to sign the petition.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Pratchett/
Graycat
I thought that had allready happened?
Hm, well it appears he has an OBE, but that this is not enough to be
allowed the "sir".
--
Elin
The world makes perfect sense, as a black comedy
8'FED
> There is a new petition up on the UK Government's official Number 10 website
> to suggest that Terry is awarded a knighthood for his service to literature.
> You need to be a UK resident to be able to sign the petition.
Having a knighthood ceased to mean anything when knights stopped
wearing full plate armour and riding horses.
The sole criterion for awarding someone a knighthood ought to be
whether or not they can ride a horse whilst dressed as a tin can.
Nothing else is relevant.
Adrian.
Len Oil
> The sole criterion for awarding someone a knighthood ought to be
> whether or not they can ride a horse whilst dressed as a tin can.
> Nothing else is relevant.
Marry, nuncle, if'n PTerry had a Knighthood (Night Hood), why it would
keep his ears Warm in Bedde...
(Keeping it [R]eal ;)
Esmeraldus
news:euke3f$6n4$1$8300...@news.demon.co.uk...
<knighthood>
> Marry, nuncle, if'n PTerry had a Knighthood (Night Hood), why it would
> keep his ears Warm in Bedde...
>
>
> (Keeping it [R]eal ;)
I was going to put that on my blog...I had posted the lnk to the petition,
which was picked up by Andrew, unless he got it the same place I did. (DW
Monthly)
The idea amuses me: I'm just band alongside anything that involves thumping
someone with the flat of a sword blade.
I'd like it registered *now* that if he is ever knighted, I really hope the
reigning monarch doesn't thump him hard, or miss.
KEVIN BEAN
Just signed it. Total is up to 1,015
Kev
--
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Terminally bewildered since 1969.
anatwork
>> Hi,
>><snip>
>
> Just signed it. Total is up to 1,015
>
>
> Kev
How many are required for this to happen? Does Downing street really
respond to petitions like these?
I'm a non-UK resident. Just curious reallly.
:-)
Len Oil
> KEVIN BEAN wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> <snip>
>>
>> Just signed it. Total is up to 1,015
>>
>>
>> Kev
>
>
> How many are required for this to happen? Does Downing street really
> respond to petitions like these?
I don't think there is a 'golden number'. "200" is mentioned as
normally required for a petition 'to be taken seriously', but the larger
the number the more it means, and they do allow a lower number in the
case of an extremely localised issue (e.g. the closure of a village
post-office, where there aren't that many people who /can/ legitimately
have a stake in the issue). The value/limit is probably sorted out
during the course of the petition application process. and it'll
probably be open to some form of interpretation.
However, on the subject of Knighthoodity, in particular, the FAQ for the
site /does/ say (IIRC) that there is a totally separate method in use to
suggest the application of an honour to someone, and that this would be
the route to take. Assuming that's been done as well, however, then
being accompanied by 'grass roots' support through an e-petition
definitely won't hurt.
Downing Street certainly appears to be going through the motions of
taking /serious/ petitions seriously, but there are things they won't
respond to positively (and the borderline between serious and might not
match expectations).
Have a quick look at some of the rejected petitions. Quite a few of
them have the same reason as http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/DesertIsland/
(outside the remit and powers of the PM and government).
I can't argue with the reasons behind the rejection for
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/paesoff/ though....
The fact that http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Sidwadell/ got rejected (under
the "language impossible to understand" rule, but
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Pratchett/ did not (despite being so similar
in format) implies that there /may/ be some inconsistency. (Or maybe
someone in the moderation team is a Pratchett fan themselves? ;)
The above aside, I've only had a brief look through the site. I /did/
worked out the other day that (IIRC) for every five people contributing,
there have been six 'signatures' provided, more or less. This means
that an almost overwhelming majority of the (thousands of) petitions
made have been subscribed to by individuals with no other axes to grind.
This is good, in some ways (people aren't habitually signing
'everything under the sun' that they agree with, just what they feel
passionately about) but may not be as good under other interpretations.
While we're on the subject of public involvement in UK politics, I
thoroughly enjoyed the Mark Thomas programme, last week on Radio 4. See
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/comedy/markthomas.shtml for the details and
a link to listen to it.
Lister
wrote:
>How many are required for this to happen? Does Downing street really
>respond to petitions like these?
>
>I'm a non-UK resident. Just curious reallly.
>
>:-)
I would doubt VERY much if it were taken seriously. After all, if it
were then JK R*wlin* would have been whatever the female version is
ages ago
Kath
Would have been good if they'd spelt his surname correctly.
--
Kath
Arthur Hagen
From what I can tell, it takes nothing to get an MEO or OBE, except being
popular without being deviant or having a criminal record. The higher
classes, like knighthood, seem much harder to obtain unless you either have
the right connections or show long time commitment.
Another question is whether it's worth it to become a peer of Panzergeneral
Tommy Franks and Bible Thumber Billy Graham, or whether to join the ranks of
those who have rejected a knighthood, like Rudyard Kipling, Michael Frayn
and David Bowie.
Regards,
--
*Art
Arthur Hagen
>
> Would have been good if they'd spelt his surname correctly.
And been more specific too. 'Terence D. J. Pratchett OBE (Terry Pratchett)'
would probably have seemed a tad more serious than 'Terry Pratchet' (sic).
Regards,
--
*Art
Lesley Weston
Dame. There is nothing like a Sir.
--
Lesley Weston.
Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Lesley Weston
at brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk wrote on 02/04/2007 8:40 AM:
> in article 9dt113lgss8l4ot2n...@4ax.com, Lister at
> fa...@SPAMclara.net wrote on 02/04/2007 5:27 AM:
>
>> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 01:05:15 -0400, anatwork <anatwo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How many are required for this to happen? Does Downing street really
>>> respond to petitions like these?
>>>
>>> I'm a non-UK resident. Just curious reallly.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> I would doubt VERY much if it were taken seriously. After all, if it
>> were then JK R*wlin* would have been whatever the female version is
>> ages ago
>
> Dame. There is nothing like a Sir.
Ain't, of course. Why do I always realise these things immediately after
posting and not two seconds earlier?
Lister
<brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>in article 9dt113lgss8l4ot2n...@4ax.com, Lister at
>fa...@SPAMclara.net wrote on 02/04/2007 5:27 AM:
>
>> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 01:05:15 -0400, anatwork <anatwo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How many are required for this to happen? Does Downing street really
>>> respond to petitions like these?
>>>
>>> I'm a non-UK resident. Just curious reallly.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> I would doubt VERY much if it were taken seriously. After all, if it
>> were then JK R*wlin* would have been whatever the female version is
>> ages ago
>
>Dame. There is nothing like a Sir.
Ah yes, dame (I just tyoped dane there:P)
Daibhid Ceanaideach
speaker: anatwork <anatwo...@gmail.com>
> How many are required for this to happen? Does Downing
> street really respond to petitions like these?
>
> I'm a non-UK resident. Just curious reallly.
Much like Carrot's letter from the Patrician, they are
probably read by someone who works nearby, and the PM probably
knows about petitions in general...
According to New Scientist, there is currently a petition on
the site to teach astrology in schools. If I were slightly
more cynical, I would suspect the entire scheme to be a
cunning ploy to bury serious petitions where the gunmint can
believably "miss" them.
Didn't stop me signing, of course...
--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://sesoc.eusa.ed.ac.uk/
"The only thing worse than being talked about
is having nothing to declare except my handbag."
-Oscar Wilde, according to Humphrey Lyttleton
Andy Davison
> There is a new petition up on the UK Government's official Number 10
> website to suggest that Terry is awarded a knighthood for his service to
> literature. You need to be a UK resident to be able to sign the petition.
Has anyone else noticed that four times as many people have signed the
petition "We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to? stand on his
head and juggle ice-cream" than to make ennoble Terry?
--
Andy Davison
andy [at] oiyou [dot] ukfsn [dot] org
Alec Cawley
The government certainly does not respond directory. The recent petition
against road pricing got over a million signatures, which is impressive
by anybody's standards. The government has resoundingly failed to reject
road pricing and says only that it will take people's opinion, as
expressed in the petition, into account in their future plans. I.e. they
will ignore it.
Of course, one problem with petitions against things is that there can
be many reasons for being against them, and the petition doesn't make
clear which of the several possible problems the government have to fix
to make the proposal acceptable.
Len Oil
[Darn, snipped/replied to the wrong text. Well, anyway I'm responding
to the idea of the efficacy or otherwise of e-petitions.]
c.f. the /Yes, Minister/ episode "Death List"... It's so easy to
receive them and ignore/laud them as appropriate.
(And, of course, the electronic ones can be 'presented' without even the
need for any smiling government minister getting himself publicly
committed to the whole thing.)
Anyhoo, I've not found (in my general wanderings) any other e-petition
that I'm so unambiguously and unreservedly in favour of (i.e. that they
consider the stated act, whatever Sir Terry might think of it. Although
of course, everyone knows he already has a part-time job in the Lords
as Archbishop of Canterbury. ;)
Carol Hague
> in article C2367212.58FE5%brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk, Lesley Weston
> at brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk wrote on 02/04/2007 8:40 AM:
>
> > in article 9dt113lgss8l4ot2n...@4ax.com, Lister at
> > fa...@SPAMclara.net wrote on 02/04/2007 5:27 AM:
> >
> >> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 01:05:15 -0400, anatwork <anatwo...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> How many are required for this to happen? Does Downing street really
> >>> respond to petitions like these?
> >>>
> >>> I'm a non-UK resident. Just curious reallly.
> >>>
> >>> :-)
> >>
> >> I would doubt VERY much if it were taken seriously. After all, if it
> >> were then JK R*wlin* would have been whatever the female version is
> >> ages ago
> >
> > Dame. There is nothing like a Sir.
>
> Ain't, of course. Why do I always realise these things immediately after
> posting and not two seconds earlier?
Actually you were right the first time Lesley :-
http://www.lyricsandsongs.com/song/448029.html
--
Carol
"Never trust a man wearing leather shorts and a plastic dressing gown"
- Spray, "The Dangerous Sports Club"
Suzi
wibbled...
> How many are required for this to happen? Does Downing street really
> respond to petitions like these?
I've had quite a few emailed replies to the epetitions I've signed - the
way it seems to work is that if it fits in with government policy they
reply saying "we're already doing something about this" and if it
doesn't fit in with government policy they reply saying "these are the
reasons that we aren't going to pay any attention to the large number of
you who signed this".
Suzi
The Stainless Steel Cat
Lister <fa...@SPAMclara.net> wrote:
Shame. I had visions of Lesley and other afpers doing a skit from South
Pacific...
There is nothin' like a sir,
Nothin' in the world,
Use a "Dame" if she's a her,
Cos there ain't anything like a sir.
Cat.
--
Jazz-Loving Soul Mate and Tolerable Frog to CCA
Happy typing typing, happy type,
Type about things you like to do...
Lesley Weston
ca...@wrhpv.com wrote on 02/04/2007 1:01 PM:
> Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> in article C2367212.58FE5%brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk, Lesley Weston
>> at brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk wrote on 02/04/2007 8:40 AM:
>>
>>> in article 9dt113lgss8l4ot2n...@4ax.com, Lister at
>>> fa...@SPAMclara.net wrote on 02/04/2007 5:27 AM:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 01:05:15 -0400, anatwork <anatwo...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How many are required for this to happen? Does Downing street really
>>>>> respond to petitions like these?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a non-UK resident. Just curious reallly.
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> I would doubt VERY much if it were taken seriously. After all, if it
>>>> were then JK R*wlin* would have been whatever the female version is
>>>> ages ago
>>>
>>> Dame. There is nothing like a Sir.
>>
>> Ain't, of course. Why do I always realise these things immediately after
>> posting and not two seconds earlier?
>
> Actually you were right the first time Lesley :-
>
> http://www.lyricsandsongs.com/song/448029.html
Thank you. I must have been thinking of "What ain't we got? We ain't got
dames!" Of course, I could have looked it up for myself...
Richard Bos
Ah, but did they then proceed to give the reasons, or did they just slap
on a couple of the usual hand-waving excuses?
Richard
Suzi
ral...@xs4all.nl wibbled...
[Snip]
> > if it
> > doesn't fit in with government policy they reply saying "these are the
> > reasons that we aren't going to pay any attention to the large number of
> > you who signed this".
>
> Ah, but did they then proceed to give the reasons, or did they just slap
> on a couple of the usual hand-waving excuses?
Oh yes, they gave all the reasons they'd already stated out in the
public domain - the "these are our views and no number of you will
change our minds" answers - much like the war in Iraq question really.
Suzi
Gideon
> House Atreides wrote:
>
>> There is a new petition up on the UK Government's official Number 10
>> website to suggest that Terry is awarded a knighthood for his service
>> to literature. You need to be a UK resident to be able to sign the
>> petition.
>
> Having a knighthood ceased to mean anything when knights stopped
> wearing full plate armour and riding horses.
I don't know which well-meaning-but-dimwitted person proposed it, but
from what I know of Terry, I really couldn't see him accepting a
knighthood if it was offered.
Really; can anyone see the creator of Sam Vimes accepting the metaphorical
hat with a plume in it?
cheers,
Gideon.
Arthur Hagen
> I don't know which well-meaning-but-dimwitted person proposed it, but
> from what I know of Terry, I really couldn't see him accepting a
> knighthood if it was offered.
>
> Really; can anyone see the creator of Sam Vimes accepting the metaphorical
> hat with a plume in it?
I'd put my money on him accepting it if it ever were proposed. He
already accepted the OBE, and I can't recall him ever making a stand
against anything. If judging by his earlier reaction to getting the
OBE, I think he would happily accept it. To quote the man: "Well, if
they're going to hand you a gong, well, be there when the medals are
handed out. Never refuse a medal or a promotion."
Regards,
--
*Art
Gideon
> Gideon <diog...@freeuk.com> wrote:
>> I don't know which well-meaning-but-dimwitted person proposed it, but
>> from what I know of Terry, I really couldn't see him accepting a
>> knighthood if it was offered.
>>
>> Really; can anyone see the creator of Sam Vimes accepting the
>> metaphorical hat with a plume in it?
>
> Sam Vimes did.
Sam Vimes only accepted it because it was tied to a boost for the Watch;
and though he personally found the whole thing ridiculous, he put the
Watch's welfare first.
I don't see any such possible inducement IRL.
(Of course, there arises the whole philosophical question of how much of
someone's character you can ever really divine from their creations; and
to what extent a third person's perception of a created character and the
author is dependent on their own inherent prejudices.)
With regard to the author, he's always struck me as a diehard egalitarian
and someone who views the whole 'honour' thing as, well, a bit /silly/.
I could, of course, be completely wrong; and if I'm right, the odds are
that we'd never hear about it, because publicly turning a gong down is
just as silly and somewhat melodramatic to boot.
cheers,
Gideon.
Daibhid Ceanaideach
speaker: Arthur Hagen <a...@broomstick.com>
I dunno. I always got the impression he accepted the OBE
because it didn't matter much; if he ever found himself in a
situation where being an Officer of the British Empire might
be useful, it was there, and otherwise he could ignore it.
Accepting a knighthood would mean he was Sir Terry whether he
wanted to be or not.
Arthur Hagen
> The time: 10 Apr 2007. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
> speaker: Arthur Hagen <a...@broomstick.com>
>
> > On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 10:53 +0100, Gideon wrote:
> >
> >> I don't know which well-meaning-but-dimwitted person
> >> proposed it, but from what I know of Terry, I really
> >> couldn't see him accepting a knighthood if it was offered.
> >>
> >> Really; can anyone see the creator of Sam Vimes accepting
> >> the metaphorical hat with a plume in it?
> >
> > I'd put my money on him accepting it if it ever were
> > proposed. He already accepted the OBE, and I can't recall
> > him ever making a stand against anything. If judging by
> > his earlier reaction to getting the OBE, I think he would
> > happily accept it. To quote the man: "Well, if they're
> > going to hand you a gong, well, be there when the medals
> > are handed out. Never refuse a medal or a promotion."
>
> I dunno. I always got the impression he accepted the OBE
> because it didn't matter much; if he ever found himself in a
> situation where being an Officer of the British Empire might
> be useful, it was there, and otherwise he could ignore it.
>From an interview he had with Science Fiction Weekly, it appeared he
wasn't indifferent, he was thrilled:
"It was a great day when it happened. It was a day in May. My latest
book had got to number one. Then I walked out in our garden and a wild
orchid had come up. And then I opened this letter saying I had got the
OBE. So that was sort of like, monarch, readership and God were voting
for you in one day."
> Accepting a knighthood would mean he was Sir Terry whether he
> wanted to be or not.
No, you can have the "Sir" dropped by request (although not the
knighthood).
Regards,
--
*Art
Daibhid Ceanaideach
speaker: Arthur Hagen <a...@broomstick.com>
> On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 17:11 +0000, Daibhid Ceanaideach
> wrote:
>> The time: 10 Apr 2007. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
>> speaker: Arthur Hagen <a...@broomstick.com>
>> I dunno. I always got the impression he accepted the OBE
>> because it didn't matter much; if he ever found himself in
>> a situation where being an Officer of the British Empire
>> might be useful, it was there, and otherwise he could
>> ignore it.
>
>>From an interview he had with Science Fiction Weekly, it
>>appeared he wasn't indifferent, he was thrilled:
>
> "It was a great day when it happened. It was a day in May.
> My latest book had got to number one. Then I walked out in
> our garden and a wild orchid had come up. And then I opened
> this letter saying I had got the OBE. So that was sort of
> like, monarch, readership and God were voting for you in
> one day."
From that interview it also appears that he not only believes
in God, but that Big Beard in the Sky makes His opinion of
Pterry's works known through orchids. I suspect this is not
the case. But who said he wasn't excited to be offered?
He says he accepted it because it made his Mum proud[1]. This
is the same reason Christopher Brookmyre attended the state
opening of the Scottish Parliament, rather than the anti-
parliament party some other people were holding on Calton
Hill, which Brookmyre had rather more sympathy with...
[1]I suspect he also accepted it because he thought the
ceremony would be a good source of funny stories, and the
interview proves that it was.
Alec Cawley
> Bruce Richardson wrote:
>
>> Gideon <diog...@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>> I don't know which well-meaning-but-dimwitted person proposed it, but
>>> from what I know of Terry, I really couldn't see him accepting a
>>> knighthood if it was offered.
>>>
>>> Really; can anyone see the creator of Sam Vimes accepting the
>>> metaphorical hat with a plume in it?
>> Sam Vimes did.
>
> Sam Vimes only accepted it because it was tied to a boost for the Watch;
> and though he personally found the whole thing ridiculous, he put the
> Watch's welfare first.
>
> I don't see any such possible inducement IRL.
>
> (Of course, there arises the whole philosophical question of how much of
> someone's character you can ever really divine from their creations; and
> to what extent a third person's perception of a created character and the
> author is dependent on their own inherent prejudices.)
>
> With regard to the author, he's always struck me as a diehard egalitarian
> and someone who views the whole 'honour' thing as, well, a bit /silly/.
I agree that he probably doesn't take it seriously. But I could see him
liking it as a sort of "agreeable silliness". Rather like stockbrokers
taking up Morris Dancing, or Red Nose Day. What Vimes doesn't like is
the fact that A-M aristocracy have power - at one point he reflects that
they have privileges, which are literally private laws. But he doesn't
have problems with people calling themselves Grand Humpty of the Order
of Dumpty (the, perhaps, than suppressing the wry grin).
I am sure Terry wouldn't want an honour which came with the ability to
order people around - he is easily egalitarian enough to realise that
either the ordering is backed up with force, or it could as easily go
the other way as the one - neither of which he would desire. But a
knighthood only brings the right to stick "Sir" in front of your name,
and you don't have to use that (though Sir Michael Gambon did manage,
with the assistance of some helpfull young women, to convince a gullible
American that a knight had droit de seigneur over any unmarried woman in
England).
The Stainless Steel Cat
Daibhid Ceanaideach <daibhidc...@aol.com> wrote:
>From that interview it also appears that he not only believes
>in God, but that Big Beard in the Sky makes His opinion of
>Pterry's works known through orchids. I suspect this is not
>the case. But who said he wasn't excited to be offered?
>
>He says he accepted it because it made his Mum proud[1]. This
>is the same reason Christopher Brookmyre attended the state
>opening of the Scottish Parliament, rather than the anti-
>parliament party some other people were holding on Calton
>Hill, which Brookmyre had rather more sympathy with...
It's also the only reason I went to the archiac, and otherwise pointless
graduation ceremony when I got my Masters. If it hadn't made my mum pround
I would have gladly skipped the dressing up, the parading, the principal's
speech connecting home-made tomato-food and Nazi book-burning and actually
got some work done that afternoon. I did draw the line at going out for
dinner though and just went home and had a bacon butty.
Cat.
--
Jazz-Loving Soul Mate and Tolerable Frog to CCA
Yes, I've read a poem. Try not to faint.
Esmeraldus
<snip>
> It's also the only reason I went to the archiac, and otherwise
> pointless graduation ceremony when I got my Masters. If it hadn't
> made my mum pround I would have gladly skipped the dressing up, the
> parading, the principal's speech connecting home-made tomato-food
> and Nazi book-burning and actually got some work done that
> afternoon. I did draw the line at going out for dinner though and
> just went home and had a bacon butty.
Are you kidding me? You skipped the chance to wear that getup in PUBLIC at a
RESTAURANT? I wouldn't have missed that for the world, although I had to be
coerced into attending the ceremony itself.
In my head it was "I'm wearing wizard robes, nyerrrrr, and you can't think
I'm a WEIRDO LOSER because it means I went to college a LOT. See, I even
have a nifty MEDAL, neener neener neener. Pass the hummus."
Kath
I didn't go to my graduation for various reasons, one of which was that
I thought it a pointless ceremony in a tent on my Uni's front lawn [1].
However, I wish I had gone to make my mum proud; she didn't get to have
the photo of me dressed up, and that's the only thing I regret about not
going.
--
Kath
[1] One of the other reasons is that hubby's graduation had been in the
Royal Albert Hall. Made mine look pathetic by comparison.
Nigel Stapley
>
> I didn't go to my graduation for various reasons, one of which was that
> I thought it a pointless ceremony in a tent on my Uni's front lawn [1].
> However, I wish I had gone to make my mum proud; she didn't get to have
> the photo of me dressed up, and that's the only thing I regret about not
> going.
>
I didn't go to mine, largely due to embarrassment at how I'd managed to
get a 2:2 on only six weeks work, but also due to distance and my
father's poor health. My mother arranged for a photographer to call at
our house and take pictures of me wearing cap and gown borrowed from the
headmaster of the village school, who'd graduated from the same Uni.
--
Regards
Nigel Stapley
<reply-to will bounce>
Daibhid Ceanaideach
speaker: Kath <ka...@REMOVEsuitcase.org>
> [1] One of the other reasons is that hubby's graduation had
> been in the Royal Albert Hall. Made mine look pathetic by
> comparison.
Ooh, what uni did your husband go to? We may have an [A] for the
UU gradiation ceremony being held in the Opera House...
Alec Cawley
You never went to a school whose uniform is a tailcoat. After that,
wearing silly clothes in public is very old hat. Mind you, we were
better off than Christ's Hospital, whose uniform looks like a dressing gown.
Richard Bos
> Bruce Richardson wrote:
>
> > Gideon <diog...@freeuk.com> wrote:
> >> I don't know which well-meaning-but-dimwitted person proposed it, but
> >> from what I know of Terry, I really couldn't see him accepting a
> >> knighthood if it was offered.
> >>
> >> Really; can anyone see the creator of Sam Vimes accepting the
> >> metaphorical hat with a plume in it?
> >
> > Sam Vimes did.
>
> Sam Vimes only accepted it because it was tied to a boost for the Watch;
> and though he personally found the whole thing ridiculous, he put the
> Watch's welfare first.
>
> I don't see any such possible inducement IRL.
It may be a great boost for fantastic literature. After all, if one of
its authors was made a peer, it must be _real_ literature, mustn't it?
Even the most snobby of critics can't argue with a bona fide title.
_Especially_ the most snobby of critics can't argue with a title.
I'm not saying that this would make Pterry accept a peerage. I'm not
saying it won't, either. What I'm saying is that the behaviour of one of
his characters is not a reliable indication of his own behaviour, either
way.
Richard
Lesley Weston
But the yellow stockings are so... colourful. Since Christ's Hospital was
founded before "Twelfth Night" was written, we may have an annotation for
the bad advice given to Malvolio.
Kath
> The time: 11 Apr 2007. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
> speaker: Kath <ka...@REMOVEsuitcase.org>
>
>> [1] One of the other reasons is that hubby's graduation had
>> been in the Royal Albert Hall. Made mine look pathetic by
>> comparison.
>
> Ooh, what uni did your husband go to? We may have an [A] for the
> UU gradiation ceremony being held in the Opera House...
Imperial College, London.
--
Kath
Kath
I had to wear silly uniform, not a tailcoat, but silly none the less.
Mine was a pinafore dress of a specific length, blazer, boater,
knee-length grey socks and specific brown shoes in summer. Winter saw
the same pinafore dress but worn with a grey jumper this time, same
socks and shoes, a blue mac and blue felt hat shaped like a rugby ball.
Pleasant hey? Don't even get me started on the P.E. kit.
--
Kath
Sabremeister Brian
461e5bbe$0$8738$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net,
Kath (ka...@REMOVEsuitcase.org) spake thusly:
It has the same initials as Invisible College, which of course is the
major route of the name for UU!
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Alec Cawley
> The time: 11 Apr 2007. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
> speaker: Kath <ka...@REMOVEsuitcase.org>
>
>> [1] One of the other reasons is that hubby's graduation had
>> been in the Royal Albert Hall. Made mine look pathetic by
>> comparison.
>
> Ooh, what uni did your husband go to? We may have an [A] for the
> UU gradiation ceremony being held in the Opera House...
I would have thought that Oxford, with the procession of Dons trooping
into the Radcliffe Camera, was pretty definitive in this field. I know
the Camera is not a Opera, but it an impressive domed building.
Daibhid Ceanaideach
speaker: Alec Cawley <al...@spamspam.co.uk>
OTOH, it's a University building, whereas the UU ceremony,
like the IC one, takes place outside the grounds. (That's also
why I don't consider the Edinburgh ceremony in McEwan Hall to
be relevant, although it's another impressive and vaguely
opera-house-like building.)
Kath
> In a speech called
> 461e5bbe$0$8738$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net,
> Kath (ka...@REMOVEsuitcase.org) spake thusly:
>
>> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>>> The time: 11 Apr 2007. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
>>> speaker: Kath <ka...@REMOVEsuitcase.org>
>>>
>>>> [1] One of the other reasons is that hubby's graduation had
>>>> been in the Royal Albert Hall. Made mine look pathetic by
>>>> comparison.
>>> Ooh, what uni did your husband go to? We may have an [A] for the
>>> UU gradiation ceremony being held in the Opera House...
>> Imperial College, London.
>
>
> It has the same initials as Invisible College, which of course is the
> major route of the name for UU!
Spooky! Maybe I'm married to Ponder Stibbons or someone else of that ilk!
--
Kath
Terry Pratchett
writes
>Bruce Richardson wrote:
>
>ent a third person's perception of a created character and the
>author is dependent on their own inherent prejudices.)
>
>With regard to the author, he's always struck me as a diehard egalitarian
>and someone who views the whole 'honour' thing as, well, a bit /silly/.
>
>I could, of course, be completely wrong; and if I'm right, the odds are
>that we'd never hear about it, because publicly turning a gong down is
>just as silly and somewhat melodramatic to boot.
>
therefore embrace the idea in true Chestertonian fashion by taking it
seriously. I would buy a suit of armour (and stand vigil over it, but
since praying in a chapel is not my scene, maybe the Humanists would let
me sit in their lobby and read Darwin. Maidens, dragons...oh, the
possibilities are endless:-)
--
Terry Pratchett
Lesley Weston
I went to several schools but the uniforms were always the same, except that
sometimes navy-blue was replaced by grey. Our hats were shaped more like a
WWII airwarden's tin hat, navy blue felt in winter and Panama straw in
summer. Navy blue gabardine mac or blazer, grey knee-socks for the lower
years, beige stockings from the Lower Fifth on, brown shoes or sandals of a
specified make and style.
P.E. kit was large navy-blue knickers for gym, pleated navy-blue serge
culottes finishing four inches above the knee for hockey and netball, and
pleated white serge culottes for tennis and rounders, all worn with a blue
or white Airtex shirt and the appropriate footwear for each game. At one
school on the edge of Hampstead Heath we used to play netball without the
culottes, just the knickers, but the court was near the road and eventually
the staff noticed that the fence would be lined by men in mackintoshes
whenever we played, so the rules were changed.
Lesley Weston
Aren't Congregations held at the Sheldonian Theatre? The
stunningly-beautiful Radcliffe Camera is a library.
http://www.victorianweb.org/victorian/art/architecture/oxford/2.html
But the Sheldonian is indeed a most impressive circular building and has
Roman emperors all around it as well. I used to sing with the Bach Choir,
which rehearses and performs in the Sheldonian; the acoustics are amazing,
quite apart from the visual beauty of the building inside and out.
Esmeraldus
Yes! That would be exactly the thing to do.
esmi
> Terry Pratchett wrote:
>> I think that making me a knight would be extremely silly, and would
>> therefore embrace the idea in true Chestertonian fashion by taking
>> it seriously.
<snip>
>> Maidens,
>> dragons...oh, the possibilities are endless:-)
> Yes! That would be exactly the thing to do.
Except that maidens might be in short supply these days...
--
esmi
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Sabremeister Brian
Terry Pratchett (tprat...@unseen.demon.co.uk) spake thusly:
Since technically any knight can make a knight, and one of my friends
from uni was the de facto head of a branch of a Scottish clan, we
worked out (FCVO "worked out") that that made him able to confer
knighthood. The plan was for us to spend a night watching Monty Python
and South Park and TLotR (praying, after all, being communing with a
deity, and at the time we practically worshipped John Cleese, Trey
Parker & Matt Stone, and JRR Tolkien), then he could knight me, and I
could knight him.
What actually /happened/ was that we both got excessively tired early
on and gave up on it.
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Sabremeister Brian
esmi (es...@lspace.org) spake thusly:
> on 13/04/2007 17:46 Esmeraldus said the following:
>> Terry Pratchett wrote:
>
>>> I think that making me a knight would be extremely silly, and
>>> would
>>> therefore embrace the idea in true Chestertonian fashion by taking
>>> it seriously.
> <snip>
>
>>> Maidens,
>>> dragons...oh, the possibilities are endless:-)
>
>> Yes! That would be exactly the thing to do.
>
> Except that maidens might be in short supply these days...
And how exactly do you "do" a dragon?
;-p
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MEG
news:ZdKdnTX9rN67n5Db...@bt.com...
> Hi,
>
> I am guessing this has been posted here somewhere, but a *bump* never
> hurts, so:
>
> There is a new petition up on the UK Government's official Number 10
> website to suggest that Terry is awarded a knighthood for his service to
> literature. You need to be a UK resident to be able to sign the petition.
>
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Pratchett/
Gotta be worth a bob or two in the right palms. You know how these things
work... (cue discussion on current investigations into cash for peerages).
Sadly, I fear that a knighthood would be tainted by current perceptions of
the injustices of the system, though I think Terry is more deserving of some
of the recent recipients. A person who can entertain and educate three
generations of the populace (my own experience), should be shown some
appreciation.
Terry's gonna look fab in vermine (or was that ermine?) and I look forward
to seeing him in shiny armour with a plume to boot.
And what, one asks, would be our Discworld Holy Grail?
- MEG
Alec Cawley
> And what, one asks, would be our Discworld Holy Grail?
The Protector of the long-lost King Carrot.
David Sewell
[...]
> I don't know which well-meaning-but-dimwitted person proposed it, but
> from what I know of Terry, I really couldn't see him accepting a
> knighthood if it was offered.
>
> Really; can anyone see the creator of Sam Vimes accepting the
> metaphorical hat with a plume in it?
No, but I can see the creator of Lord Vetinari accepting it. Or
for that matter, the creator of Lady Sybil.
And I mean by that simply that I don't think Terry's motives can
ever be conflated with those of any one of his characters.
--
David Sewell "They that are awake have one world in common,
White Hall, Virginia but of the sleeping each turns aside into
USA a world of his own." --Heraclitus
NoteWell
Well, pedantically, you would have to stand in their lobby... or perhaps
kneel...
--
N
So much to do, so little inclination.
Gid
decided to share with us..
> MEG wrote:
>
> > And what, one asks, would be our Discworld Holy Grail?
>
> The Protector of the long-lost King Carrot.
Ahh.. I'll hang on to my copy of the missing chapter then..
--
Gid
Current Project: Bragdy Draenen Wen
(if it ever stops raining for long enough)
Arthur Hagen
> In a speech called evoi05$26sf$1...@mud.stack.nl,
> esmi (es...@lspace.org) spake thusly:
>> on 13/04/2007 17:46 Esmeraldus said the following:
>>> Terry Pratchett wrote:
>>
>>>> Maidens,
>>>> dragons...oh, the possibilities are endless:-)
>>
>>> Yes! That would be exactly the thing to do.
>>
>> Except that maidens might be in short supply these days...
>
> And how exactly do you "do" a dragon?
> ;-p
Medium rare, crisp on the outside but a red center. How else?
Regards,
--
*Art
Arthur Hagen
>
> Sadly, I fear that a knighthood would be tainted by current
> perceptions of the injustices of the system, though I think Terry is
> more deserving of some of the recent recipients. A person who can
> entertain and educate three generations of the populace (my own
> experience), should be shown some appreciation.
*Wince* I'm sure you meant it well.
> Terry's gonna look fab in vermine (or was that ermine?) and I look
> forward to seeing him in shiny armour with a plume to boot.
I'm /pretty/ certain the plume goes on the opposite end.
Regards,
--
*Art
-Wee Rocket
The Hat?
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Andrew Nevill
<nospam_...@djelibeybi.idps.co.uk> wrote:
>And what, one asks, would be our Discworld Holy Grail?
>
The Laptop - with the Next Book
After all, it's what we all want to get our hands on.
--
Andrew Nevill B.F. D.W. FdV. Reply address: ane...@ntlworld.com
AFPWorshipper to Spooky, AFPfiance to Sarah (Nanny Ogg) & Anastasia.
AFPUncle to James Vaughan. You cannot value friends as pennies,
nor can you replace them as easily (Spooky in email, Aug 2001.)
MEG
news:evpc8h$me5$1...@tree.broomstick.com...
> MEG <nospam_...@djelibeybi.idps.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Sadly, I fear that a knighthood would be tainted by current
>> perceptions of the injustices of the system, though I think Terry is
>> more deserving of some of the recent recipients. A person who can
>> entertain and educate three generations of the populace (my own
>> experience), should be shown some appreciation.
>
> *Wince* I'm sure you meant it well.
I'm sorry, you're going to have to explain that comment. Was my grammar or
word usage incorrect?
- MEG
Lesley Weston
bpwak...@hotmail.com wrote on 13/04/2007 1:24 PM:
> In a speech called evoi05$26sf$1...@mud.stack.nl,
> esmi (es...@lspace.org) spake thusly:
>
>> on 13/04/2007 17:46 Esmeraldus said the following:
>>> Terry Pratchett wrote:
>>
>>>> I think that making me a knight would be extremely silly, and
>>>> would
>>>> therefore embrace the idea in true Chestertonian fashion by taking
>>>> it seriously.
>> <snip>
>>
>>>> Maidens,
>>>> dragons...oh, the possibilities are endless:-)
>>
>>> Yes! That would be exactly the thing to do.
>>
>> Except that maidens might be in short supply these days...
>
>
> And how exactly do you "do" a dragon?
> ;-p
That is a question of interest only to another dragon.
8'FED
> Arthur Hagen wrote in message
>> MEG wrote:
>>>
>>> Sadly, I fear that a knighthood would be tainted by current
>>> perceptions of the injustices of the system, though I think Terry is
>>> more deserving of some of the recent recipients. A person who can
>>> entertain and educate three generations of the populace (my own
>>> experience), should be shown some appreciation.
>>
>> *Wince* I'm sure you meant it well.
>
> I'm sorry, you're going to have to explain that comment. Was my grammar or
> word usage incorrect?
The only error I can see (so I guess this is what Arthur's referring
to) is: "Terry is more deserving _of_ some of the recent recipients".
Either you believe that some of the recent recipients should be given
to Terry (as slaves? as food?) or you intended to write "more
deserving _than_".
Adrian.
Daibhid Ceanaideach
speaker: Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk>
> in article 58a78tF...@mid.individual.net, Sabremeister
> Brian at bpwak...@hotmail.com wrote on 13/04/2007 1:24
> PM:
>> And how exactly do you "do" a dragon?
>> ;-p
>
> That is a question of interest only to another dragon.
There are odder people on the Internet than are dreamt of in
your philosophy, Lesley...
-Wee Rocket
> in article 58a78tF...@mid.individual.net, Sabremeister Brian at
> bpwak...@hotmail.com wrote on 13/04/2007 1:24 PM:
>
>> In a speech called evoi05$26sf$1...@mud.stack.nl,
>> esmi (es...@lspace.org) spake thusly:
>>
>>> on 13/04/2007 17:46 Esmeraldus said the following:
>>>> Terry Pratchett wrote:
>>>>> I think that making me a knight would be extremely silly, and
>>>>> would
>>>>> therefore embrace the idea in true Chestertonian fashion by taking
>>>>> it seriously.
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>>> Maidens,
>>>>> dragons...oh, the possibilities are endless:-)
>>>> Yes! That would be exactly the thing to do.
>>> Except that maidens might be in short supply these days...
>>
>> And how exactly do you "do" a dragon?
>> ;-p
>
> That is a question of interest only to another dragon.
>
--
-Wee Rocket
> in article 58a78tF...@mid.individual.net, Sabremeister Brian at
> bpwak...@hotmail.com wrote on 13/04/2007 1:24 PM:
>
>> And how exactly do you "do" a dragon?
>> ;-p
>
> That is a question of interest only to another dragon.
Or possibly "Donkey."
Richard Bos
> on 13/04/2007 17:46 Esmeraldus said the following:
> > Terry Pratchett wrote:
>
> >> I think that making me a knight would be extremely silly, and would
> >> therefore embrace the idea in true Chestertonian fashion by taking
> >> it seriously.
>
> >> Maidens, dragons...oh, the possibilities are endless:-)
>
> > Yes! That would be exactly the thing to do.
>
> Except that maidens might be in short supply these days...
And Mrs. Pratchett might object.
Richard
April Goodwin-Smith
> Esmeraldus wrote:
>> The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> just went home and had a bacon butty.
>> Are you kidding me? You skipped the chance to wear that
>> getup in PUBLIC at a RESTAURANT? I wouldn't have
>> missed that for the world, although I had to be coerced into
>> attending the ceremony itself. In my head it was "I'm wearing
>> wizard robes, nyerrrrr, and you can't think I'm a WEIRDO
>> LOSER because it means I went to college a LOT. See, I even
>> have a nifty MEDAL, neener neener neener. Pass the hummus."
>
> You never went to a school whose uniform is a tailcoat. After
> that, wearing silly clothes in public is very old hat. Mind you,
> we were better off than Christ's Hospital, whose uniform looks
> like a dressing gown.
>
Yeahbut yeahbut yeahbut, you don't dig how entirely delicious
this would be to do in an American restaurant.
April.
April Goodwin-Smith
<snip>
> I think that making me a knight would be extremely silly, and
> would therefore embrace the idea in true Chestertonian fashion
> by taking it seriously. I would buy a suit of armour (and stand
> vigil over it, but since praying in a chapel is not my scene, maybe
> the Humanists would let me sit in their lobby and read Darwin.
> Maidens, dragons...oh, the possibilities are endless:-)
>
You'll need a squire and a page, right? A pair of flunkies
to help with the shining of the armour, the putting on of
the armour, and the picking up of the principal when he
falls off the other side of the horse from the weight of
all that armour, right? I smell Orangutan Foundation
auction.
April.
Arthur Hagen
> "Arthur Hagen" <a...@broomstick.com> wrote in message
> news:evpc8h$me5$1...@tree.broomstick.com...
>>
>
> I'm sorry, you're going to have to explain that comment.
Telling someone that he has entertained /three generations/ is periliously
close to implying that he's old. Rephrasing it as "old and young" or "of
all ages" doesn't allow for the possibility to interpret it as three
successive generations.
Regards,
--
*Art
Esmeraldus
I resisted the urge to wear my Professor McGonnagal hat with the robes. I'm
still not sure whether I don't wish I'd given in to the temptation.
Richard Bos
> In a speech called evoi05$26sf$1...@mud.stack.nl,
> esmi (es...@lspace.org) spake thusly:
>
> > on 13/04/2007 17:46 Esmeraldus said the following:
> >> Terry Pratchett wrote:
> >
> >>> I think that making me a knight would be extremely silly, and
> >>> would
> >>> therefore embrace the idea in true Chestertonian fashion by taking
> >>> it seriously.
> > <snip>
> >
> >>> Maidens,
> >>> dragons...oh, the possibilities are endless:-)
> >
> >> Yes! That would be exactly the thing to do.
> >
> > Except that maidens might be in short supply these days...
>
> And how exactly do you "do" a dragon?
> ;-p
I dunno, ask Adrian.
Richard
Hendrik Schober
> MEG <nospam_...@djelibeybi.idps.co.uk> wrote:
> > "Arthur Hagen" <a...@broomstick.com> wrote in message
> > news:evpc8h$me5$1...@tree.broomstick.com...
> > >
> > > *Wince* I'm sure you meant it well.
> >
> > I'm sorry, you're going to have to explain that comment.
>
> Telling someone that he has entertained /three generations/ is
It is only if you imply that each generation must
have been in a specific age when they read the
books. But they could (an do) just as well have
read it while being in different ages, but at the
same time.
There are, after all, (at least) three generations
diskussing in this group -- at the same time.
Schobi
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8'FED
> Sabremeister Brian wrote:
>> And how exactly do you "do" a dragon?
>> ;-p
>
> I dunno, ask Adrian.
Persuading the dragon is an important step.
Adrian.
MEG
I'm sorry, but I disagree. There is no implication that Terry is old, merely
old enough to have had a significant impact upon a number of generations
within his lifetime.
My late father, my children and myself have all gained much enjoyment from
his works. As a matter of fact, it is entirley possible that five
generations of one family could now be reading or experiencing his works.
There are damned few people now alive - nor ever lived - who can claim such
an influence.
- MEG
Esmeraldus
> "Arthur Hagen" <a...@broomstick.com> wrote in message
> news:evrfp3$3d0$1...@tree.broomstick.com...
>> MEG <nospam_...@djelibeybi.idps.co.uk> wrote:
>>> "Arthur Hagen" <a...@broomstick.com> wrote in message
>>> news:evpc8h$me5$1...@tree.broomstick.com...
>>>>
>>>> *Wince* I'm sure you meant it well.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, you're going to have to explain that comment.
>>
>> Telling someone that he has entertained /three generations/ is
>> periliously close to implying that he's old. Rephrasing it as
>> "old and young" or "of all ages" doesn't allow for the possibility
>> to interpret it as three successive generations.
>
> I'm sorry, but I disagree. There is no implication that Terry is
> old, merely old enough to have had a significant impact upon a
> number of generations within his lifetime.
Let's not forget that he started young.
-Wee Rocket
Ah, but MEG was referring to herself, her late father and her incredible
kids. My mother has enjoyed some TP books I lent her; I'm a big fan and
my daughters both like Terry's books. If my grandson, Colton, eventually
reads some Pratchett, it will be four generations in my family.
I'm guessing Terry is around sixty now, which is considered old by the
20s and 30s crowd. I'm roughly ten years older, so I think he's still a
yoong whippersnapper. When the under-30 ladies stop flirting with me, I
will be old.
-Wee Rocket
This is true. He wrote one of my favourite books at age 17.
Aquarion
> Gideon <diog...@freeuk.com> wrote:
>
>> Bruce Richardson wrote:
>>
>> > Gideon <diog...@freeuk.com> wrote:
>> >> I don't know which well-meaning-but-dimwitted person proposed it, but
>> >> from what I know of Terry, I really couldn't see him accepting a
>> >> knighthood if it was offered.
>> >>
>> >> Really; can anyone see the creator of Sam Vimes accepting the
>> >> metaphorical hat with a plume in it?
>> >
>>
>> Sam Vimes only accepted it because it was tied to a boost for the Watch;
>> and though he personally found the whole thing ridiculous, he put the
>> Watch's welfare first.
>>
>> I don't see any such possible inducement IRL.
>
> It may be a great boost for fantastic literature. After all, if one of
> its authors was made a peer, it must be _real_ literature, mustn't it?
Lord Archer.
NiceOrc
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:53:07 +0100, Gideon wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > I don't know which well-meaning-but-dimwitted person proposed it, but
> > from what I know of Terry, I really couldn't see him accepting a
> > knighthood if it was offered.
>
> > Really; can anyone see the creator of Sam Vimes accepting the
> > metaphorical hat with a plume in it?
>
> for that matter, the creator of Lady Sybil.
>
> And I mean by that simply that I don't think Terry's motives can
> ever be conflated with those of any one of his characters.
>
> --
> David Sewell "They that are awake have one world in common,
> White Hall, Virginia but of the sleeping each turns aside into
> USA a world of his own." --Heraclitus
He also created Nobby.
Cheers
NiceOrc
MEG
news:NYtUh.461119$Ju2.3...@newsfe16.lga...
> I'm guessing Terry is around sixty now,
If I'm not mistaken, 59 on Monday 23rd - the day Hogfather comes out on DVD.
The free bus-pass is looming.
- MEG
-Wee Rocket
Thanks, MEG!
If the Man is reading the froop --
HIPPO BIRDIES, TERRY!!
Esmeraldus
> MEG wrote:
>> "-Wee Rocket" <rockn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:NYtUh.461119$Ju2.3...@newsfe16.lga...
>>
>>> I'm guessing Terry is around sixty now,
>>
>> If I'm not mistaken, 59 on Monday 23rd - the day Hogfather comes
>> out on DVD. The free bus-pass is looming.
>
> Thanks, MEG!
>
> If the Man is reading the froop --
>
> HIPPO BIRDIES, TERRY!!
Oh, hey, yeah...it's that time, isn't it?
Happy Birthday.
Daibhid Ceanaideach
speaker: "Esmeraldus" <muclu...@mypacks.net>
Um... I'm pretty sure it's not 'til the 28th.
BriD
wrote:
> "-Wee Rocket" <rocknatu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I think you might be. Colin Smythes biog says Terry was born on 28th
April 1948. And I'm sure I wouldn't have had to check LSpace if had
been the 23rd 'cos it's my eldest son's birthday.
BriD