[I]Predjudice against the overweight
GaryN
1970 something
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kcYv2L3cx8
2009 today
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8327753.stm
30 or more years later and the same issue crops up but in a different
light. How can the laws wanted be enforced? Is the famous football chant
"Who ate all the pies" to be outlawed?
An assault on someone, for whatever reason, is illegal (unless you happen
to be a copper). I find it irritating if someone who is grossly overweight
impedes my progress; but is muttering, under my breath, "Come on you fat
bastard get a move on" soon going to be a criminal offence?
Will alcoholics and beggars soon be demanding laws to protect them,
specifically, from abuse? I'm a biker - can I have a law to stop people
looking at me in a funny way?
Where does it stop?
gary
--
"I really like this jacket
but the sleeves are much too long"
Motorhead - 'Back At The Funny Farm'.
Large Dave
> Strange the way things come back around...
>
> 1970 something
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kcYv2L3cx8
>
> 2009 today
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8327753.stm
>
> 30 or more years later and the same issue crops up but in a different
> light. How can the laws wanted be enforced? Is the famous football chant
> "Who ate all the pies" to be outlawed?
>
> An assault on someone, for whatever reason, is illegal (unless you happen
> to be a copper).
> I find it irritating if someone who is grossly overweight
> impedes my progress; but is muttering, under my breath, "Come on you fat
> bastard get a move on" soon going to be a criminal offence?
However a polite "excuse me" will often work wonders.
IME little old ladies are the worst for impeding progress, they must go
on a course, nobody is that good without training.
> Will alcoholics and beggars soon be demanding laws to protect them,
> specifically, from abuse? I'm a biker - can I have a law to stop people
> looking at me in a funny way?
I too am overweight [1], but I very rarely get abuse. Perhaps this is
because I'm six and a half feet tall and the cowards that pick on lonely
women tend not to trouble tall strapping blokes.
What about a roundworld campaign for equal heights :-)
[1] OK a huge beer gut :-(
--
Large Dave
This space accidentally left blank
Thomas Zahr
...
> What about a roundworld campaign for equal heights :-)
shouldn't that be girth?
--
Cheers,
Thomas =:-)
<who is about a 60 cm to short for his weight>
Large Dave
> Large Dave <Da...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> ...
>
>> What about a roundworld campaign for equal heights :-)
>
> shouldn't that be girth?
>
<smiles>
I much prefer diameter cos it doesn't sound so much when it's girth
divided by three and a bit :-)
Ferd Burfle
> Thomas Zahr wrote:
>> Large Dave <Da...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> What about a roundworld campaign for equal heights :-)
>>
>> shouldn't that be girth?
>>
>
> <smiles>
> I much prefer diameter cos it doesn't sound so much when it's girth
> divided by three and a bit :-)
"Sports Fans Against Girth Control?"
-Bird Ferfuffle
--
This statement is false.
Nigel Stapley
> Large Dave wrote:
>> Thomas Zahr wrote:
>>> Large Dave <Da...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> What about a roundworld campaign for equal heights :-)
>>>
>>> shouldn't that be girth?
>>>
>>
>> <smiles>
>> I much prefer diameter cos it doesn't sound so much when it's girth
>> divided by three and a bit :-)
>
> "Sports Fans Against Girth Control?"
>
"Ventriloquists Against Girth Control"?
--
Regards
Nigel Stapley
<reply-to will bounce>
Ferd Burfle
> Ferd Burfle wrote:
>> Large Dave wrote:
>>> Thomas Zahr wrote:
>>>> Large Dave <Da...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> What about a roundworld campaign for equal heights :-)
>>>>
>>>> shouldn't that be girth?
>>>>
>>>
>>> <smiles>
>>> I much prefer diameter cos it doesn't sound so much when it's girth
>>> divided by three and a bit :-)
>>
>> "Sports Fans Against Girth Control?"
>>
>
> "Ventriloquists Against Girth Control"?
I'll have that with a gottle of geer.
Nigel, you are one funny bloke.
Nigel Stapley
FCVO....
:-)
Lesley Weston
> Strange the way things come back around...
>
> 1970 something
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kcYv2L3cx8
>
> 2009 today
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8327753.stm
>
> 30 or more years later and the same issue crops up but in a different
> light. How can the laws wanted be enforced? Is the famous football chant
> "Who ate all the pies" to be outlawed?
I guess it'll go the same way as any other form of discrimination: As
society and individuals mature they will stop attacking fat people,
verbally and otherwise, just as most of us have already stopped
attacking other minority groups.
>
> An assault on someone, for whatever reason, is illegal (unless you happen
> to be a copper). I find it irritating if someone who is grossly overweight
> impedes my progress;
I find it irritating if /anybody/ impedes my progress, whatever their
weight.
--
Lesley Weston
The addy above is real, but I won't see anything posted to it for a long
time. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca, adjusting as necessary.
Lesley Weston
> GaryN wrote:
>> Strange the way things come back around...
>>
>> 1970 something
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kcYv2L3cx8
>>
>> 2009 today
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8327753.stm
>>
>> 30 or more years later and the same issue crops up but in a different
>> light. How can the laws wanted be enforced? Is the famous football
>> chant "Who ate all the pies" to be outlawed?
>>
>> An assault on someone, for whatever reason, is illegal (unless you
>> happen to be a copper).
>
>> I find it irritating if someone who is grossly overweight impedes my
>> progress; but is muttering, under my breath, "Come on you fat bastard
>> get a move on" soon going to be a criminal offence?
>
> However a polite "excuse me" will often work wonders.
> IME little old ladies are the worst for impeding progress, they must go
> on a course, nobody is that good without training.
That wipes up anybody who might not have been offended by Gary's post.
Esmeraldus
"Lesley Weston" <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:hcetci$iar$1...@mud.stack.nl...
> GaryN wrote:
<snip>
>>
>> An assault on someone, for whatever reason, is illegal (unless you happen
>> to be a copper). I find it irritating if someone who is grossly
>> overweight impedes my progress;
>
> I find it irritating if /anybody/ impedes my progress, whatever their
> weight.
Yeah, what the hell does weight have to do with anything?
--
Stacie, fourth swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons & Bondage-happy predator
AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion
"If you can't be a good example, you'll just have to be a horrible warning."
Bob Larter
> I too am overweight [1], but I very rarely get abuse. Perhaps this is
> because I'm six and a half feet tall and the cowards that pick on lonely
> women tend not to trouble tall strapping blokes.
I imagine that this is the same reason that PETA throw paint over women
wearing fur coats, but not over bikies wearing leather jackets.
--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Larter
> Thomas Zahr wrote:
>> Large Dave <Da...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> What about a roundworld campaign for equal heights :-)
>>
>> shouldn't that be girth?
>>
>
> <smiles>
> I much prefer diameter cos it doesn't sound so much when it's girth
> divided by three and a bit :-)
Radius sounds even smaller. ;^)
Nigel Stapley
>
>
> "Lesley Weston" <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:hcetci$iar$1...@mud.stack.nl...
>> GaryN wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>>
>>> An assault on someone, for whatever reason, is illegal (unless you
>>> happen to be a copper). I find it irritating if someone who is
>>> grossly overweight impedes my progress;
>>
>> I find it irritating if /anybody/ impedes my progress, whatever their
>> weight.
>
> Yeah, what the hell does weight have to do with anything?
>
>
The amount of inertia which has to be overcome by the violent shove
necessary to get by them?
SteveD
<brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>Large Dave wrote:
>> GaryN wrote:
>>> Strange the way things come back around...
>>>
>>> 1970 something
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kcYv2L3cx8
>>>
>>> 2009 today
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8327753.stm
>>>
>>> 30 or more years later and the same issue crops up but in a different
>>> light. How can the laws wanted be enforced? Is the famous football
>>> chant "Who ate all the pies" to be outlawed?
>>>
>>> An assault on someone, for whatever reason, is illegal (unless you
>>> happen to be a copper).
>>
>>> I find it irritating if someone who is grossly overweight impedes my
>>> progress; but is muttering, under my breath, "Come on you fat bastard
>>> get a move on" soon going to be a criminal offence?
>>
>> However a polite "excuse me" will often work wonders.
>> IME little old ladies are the worst for impeding progress, they must go
>> on a course, nobody is that good without training.
>
>That wipes up anybody who might not have been offended by Gary's post.
I was waiting for "And of course conservative politicians...", myself.
GaryN
news:9L2dnbil67XGqHHX...@brightview.co.uk:
> Esmeraldus wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Lesley Weston" <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:hcetci$iar$1...@mud.stack.nl...
>>> GaryN wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> An assault on someone, for whatever reason, is illegal (unless you
>>>> happen to be a copper). I find it irritating if someone who is
>>>> grossly overweight impedes my progress;
>>>
>>> I find it irritating if /anybody/ impedes my progress, whatever
>>> their weight.
>>
>> Yeah, what the hell does weight have to do with anything?
>>
>>
>
> The amount of inertia which has to be overcome by the violent shove
> necessary to get by them?
>
My initial intention was to present a rhetorical question about "What do
they want the law to be and where do we stop?"
Do I have to stop greeting a friend of mine who is of somewhat greater
girth with the words "You alright then you fat northern bastard?" to
which he replies "Not bad you soft southern shandy drinking[1] git" just
in case it offends anyone overhearing? I've only known him for 20 years
from university after all and it's a ritual when we meet up.
It's probably illegal for me to greet a female friend that I met back in
the 80's with "Alright you old trollop, how's it going" 'cos that would
be sexist
It just seems to me that we have so many "ist"s and "ism"s that it's
almost impossible to speak, or otherwise express an opinion, without
offending *somebody*, should they choose to take offence at an innocent
remark, even if one had no intention of doing so.
gary
[1]I do not drink shandy.
Ferd Burfle
> Esmeraldus wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Lesley Weston" <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:hcetci$iar$1...@mud.stack.nl...
>>> GaryN wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> An assault on someone, for whatever reason, is illegal (unless you
>>>> happen to be a copper). I find it irritating if someone who is
>>>> grossly overweight impedes my progress;
>>>
>>> I find it irritating if /anybody/ impedes my progress, whatever their
>>> weight.
>>
>> Yeah, what the hell does weight have to do with anything?
>>
>>
>
> The amount of inertia which has to be overcome by the violent shove
> necessary to get by them?
Solution: go to the hardware and plumbing aisle and get a can of WD-40.
Lubricate the floor all around them. Then it only takes the smallest
of pushes.
Stacie
> Nigel Stapley <u...@judgemental.plus.com> wrote innews:9L2dnbil67XGqHHX...@brightview.co.uk:
>
>
>
> > Esmeraldus wrote:
>
> >> "Lesley Weston" <brightly_coloured_b...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> >>news:hcetci$iar$1...@mud.stack.nl...
> >>> GaryN wrote:
>
> >> <snip>
>
> >>>> An assault on someone, for whatever reason, is illegal (unless you
> >>>> happen to be a copper). I find it irritating if someone who is
> >>>> grossly overweight impedes my progress;
>
> >>> I find it irritating if /anybody/ impedes my progress, whatever
> >>> their weight.
>
> >> Yeah, what the hell does weight have to do with anything?
>
> > The amount of inertia which has to be overcome by the violent shove
> > necessary to get by them?
>
> My initial intention was to present a rhetorical question about "What do
> they want the law to be and where do we stop?"
>
Well, there are plenty of anti-discrimination laws on the books
regarding the abuse of people for their race, sexual orientation,
disabilities, gender, etc. already. I've yet to see any news stories
about arrests of hip-hop/rap artists for use of racial epithets,
advocating violence against women, gay men getting busted for
referring to a peer as an "old queen" or similar.
> Do I have to stop greeting a friend of mine who is of somewhat greater
> girth with the words "You alright then you fat northern bastard?" to
> which he replies "Not bad you soft southern shandy drinking[1] git" just
> in case it offends anyone overhearing? I've only known him for 20 years
> from university after all and it's a ritual when we meet up.
>
> It's probably illegal for me to greet a female friend that I met back in
> the 80's with "Alright you old trollop, how's it going" 'cos that would
> be sexist
>
> It just seems to me that we have so many "ist"s and "ism"s that it's
> almost impossible to speak, or otherwise express an opinion, without
> offending *somebody*, should they choose to take offence at an innocent
> remark, even if one had no intention of doing so.
>
> gary
>
> [1]I do not drink shandy.
> --
> "I really like this jacket
> but the sleeves are much too long"
>
> Motorhead - 'Back At The Funny Farm'.
I note the article you linked to didn't contain anything like what you
just described. The incidents included were miles away from being an
interaction between friends. They all seemed to be abusive
confrontations by strangers. Some were out and out verbal or physical
assaults. Not a one of the incidents described, theoretical or actual,
included a scenario where a third party overheard two friends
addressing one another or policing the way two consenting people
interact with each other.
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you and your friends probably
don't issue a friendly physical beatdown resulting in dozens of
bruises when you run into each other on the train or hurl beer cans by
way of greeting.
Ferd Burfle
No, that's only in Texas or Alabama, maybe Arkansas.
Nigel Stapley
Yes, but you'd still have to *vault* over them.
Chris Zakes
GaryN <ga...@scaryriders.com> to write:
Have you ever noticed how much political correctness resembles a
complete lack of a sense of humor?
-Chris zakes
Texas
As for myself, I am simply Hop-Frog, the jester--and *this* is my last jest.
-"Hop-Frog" by Edgar Allen Poe
Reader in Invisible Writings
I've just seen 'Cirque du Freak - The Vampire's Assistant' and one of
the hypocrisies about such things was exposed. The towns people wanted
the circus closed because it was wrong for people to profit from
exhibiting 'dirty freaks'.
Large Dave
<megasnip "ism"s>
>
> Have you ever noticed how much political correctness resembles a
> complete lack of a sense of humor?
Yes, all of the time, which partly explains why some modern comedians
just ain't funny.
Lesley Weston
> Nigel Stapley <un...@judgemental.plus.com> wrote in
> news:9L2dnbil67XGqHHX...@brightview.co.uk:
>
>> Esmeraldus wrote:
>>>
>>> "Lesley Weston" <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:hcetci$iar$1...@mud.stack.nl...
>>>> GaryN wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>> An assault on someone, for whatever reason, is illegal (unless you
>>>>> happen to be a copper). I find it irritating if someone who is
>>>>> grossly overweight impedes my progress;
>>>> I find it irritating if /anybody/ impedes my progress, whatever
>>>> their weight.
>>> Yeah, what the hell does weight have to do with anything?
>>>
>>>
>> The amount of inertia which has to be overcome by the violent shove
>> necessary to get by them?
>>
>
> My initial intention was to present a rhetorical question about "What do
> they want the law to be and where do we stop?"
The Law is irrelevant, as it so often is. All that's needed is to avoid
hurting people. If the person you're talking to (or about in their
hearing) could be hurt by what you say, then don't say it. So we stop at
whatever point meets this objective. If what you say to your friends
will not hurt them, then there's no reason not to say it.
All this assumes, of course, that it's not your (generic) /intention/
to hurt them, which is not always the case. In that situation, social
pressure works much better than laws.
Chris Zakes
The kicker there is the people who take offense *on behalf of* other
people. My favorite bad example is the fact that "Speedy Gonzales"
cartoons aren't shown in the US any more, because they *might* be
offensive to folks from Mexico... even though the cartoons are still
shown--and are quite popular--*in* Mexico.
-Chris Zakes
Bob Larter
> GaryN wrote:
[...]
>> My initial intention was to present a rhetorical question about "What do
>> they want the law to be and where do we stop?"
>
> The Law is irrelevant, as it so often is. All that's needed is to avoid
> hurting people. If the person you're talking to (or about in their
> hearing) could be hurt by what you say, then don't say it.
The drawback with that approach is that short of developing telepathy,
it's difficult to know in advance what's going to offend any given person.
GaryN
$rl7....@newsfe16.iad:
Of course it's so inconvenient getting that 5 year stretch for assault and
attempted murder.
gary
Lesley Weston
I hold no brief for busybodies of any stripe, including that one. I just
think that people should try not to hurt other people, and a little
imagination will show them how.
Lesley Weston
> Lesley Weston wrote:
>> GaryN wrote:
> [...]
>>> My initial intention was to present a rhetorical question about "What do
>>> they want the law to be and where do we stop?"
>>
>> The Law is irrelevant, as it so often is. All that's needed is to
>> avoid hurting people. If the person you're talking to (or about in
>> their hearing) could be hurt by what you say, then don't say it.
>
> The drawback with that approach is that short of developing telepathy,
> it's difficult to know in advance what's going to offend any given person.
>
>
shouting insults about fat people is going to offend them. It also seems
quite likely that thin people making jokes about being fat to or around
someone who is might hurt their feelings.
Bernard Peek
<brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>Bob Larter wrote:
>> Lesley Weston wrote:
>>> GaryN wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> My initial intention was to present a rhetorical question about "What do
>>>> they want the law to be and where do we stop?"
>>>
>>> The Law is irrelevant, as it so often is. All that's needed is to
>>>avoid hurting people. If the person you're talking to (or about in
>>>their hearing) could be hurt by what you say, then don't say it.
>> The drawback with that approach is that short of developing
>>telepathy, it's difficult to know in advance what's going to offend
>>any given person.
>>
>There's a good chance that physically attacking someone who's fat while
>shouting insults about fat people is going to offend them. It also
>seems quite likely that thin people making jokes about being fat to or
>around someone who is might hurt their feelings.
>
intent but I don't want anyone else trying to suppress jokes about fat
people. It creates hostility towards fat people where there may have
been none.
I'm usually capable of telling whether a joke was made with malicious
intent and I don't trust anyone else, except possibly another fat
person, to make that distinction on my behalf.
--
Bernard Peek
GaryN
<snip>
> There's a good chance that physically attacking someone who's fat
> while shouting insults about fat people is going to offend them. It
> also seems quite likely that thin people making jokes about being fat
> to or around someone who is might hurt their feelings.
It hurts my feelings when someone calls me a crippled bastard, or pegleg.
Do I want a law to prevent it? No. Although I'd like a law banning
joggers on the towpath when I'm walking into town because it feels like
they are taking the piss - bastards, they can still run when I can barely
walk!
Since the dawn of language the human race has always used perjoratives to
describe those that we don't like/agree with, or who just happen to come
from a different tribe. Which is usually just about everyone.
c.f. "Perfidious Albion", "Cheese eating surrender monkeys", "Krauts",
"Johnny foreigner", Nips, Canardlies, Spics, Wops, etc.
It's human nature to make comments, and apply nicknames, about those who
are different to us. I don't say it's right, just that it is. 50000 years
of doing it is not going to be overturned by some prat passing a law saying
that we're not allowed to.
Live with it.
gary
Nigel Stapley
>
> Since the dawn of language the human race has always used perjoratives to
> describe those that we don't like/agree with, or who just happen to come
> from a different tribe. Which is usually just about everyone.
>
> c.f. "Perfidious Albion",
"Vitreous China"
GaryN
> GaryN wrote:
>
>>
>> Since the dawn of language the human race has always used
>> perjoratives to describe those that we don't like/agree with, or who
>> just happen to come from a different tribe. Which is usually just
>> about everyone.
>>
>> c.f. "Perfidious Albion",
>
> "Vitreous China"
Could be if the USians decide it's to much of a threat to their economy.
They've got all those unused nukes sitting around and serious unemployment
issues(same as us). Actually, firing a few missiles and contracting for
replacements would kill two stoned birds.
I do not regard this as a proper Foreign Policy, but it might work<shrug>.
It's possible that the Chinese might like it so that they're not stuck with
that "bird's nest" stadium in the same way that we are stuck with the
millenium dome.
Lizzy Taylor
> GaryN wrote:
>
>>
>> Since the dawn of language the human race has always used perjoratives
>> to describe those that we don't like/agree with, or who just happen to
>> come from a different tribe. Which is usually just about everyone.
>>
>> c.f. "Perfidious Albion",
>
> "Vitreous China"
We also use other nationalities as adjectives when describing
undesirable things.
c.f. German measles, Spanish practices & French fries
Lizzy
GaryN
$da0f...@news.zen.co.uk:
Why do they have to be 'French Fries'? What's wrong with good solid proper
British chips.
What was that famous piece of graffiti from the 80's?
"If the French won't buy our lamb, we won't buy their letters"
I think that's right.
Lizzy Taylor
> Lizzy Taylor <li...@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> wrote in news:4aef050a$0$2527
>> We also use other nationalities as adjectives when describing
>> undesirable things.
>>
>> c.f. German measles, Spanish practices & French fries
>>
>> Lizzy
>
> Why do they have to be 'French Fries'? What's wrong with good solid proper
> British chips.
Exactly - British chips are proper solid things, French fries are all
spindly and hence undesirable ;-)
> What was that famous piece of graffiti from the 80's?
>
> "If the French won't buy our lamb, we won't buy their letters"
>
> I think that's right.
Was there a corresponding increase in population ?? Or did people
change their allegiance to the Dutch product instead?
Lizzy
richard e white
Then how do you explain all the people like me who don't use such nicknames?
--
Richard The Blind Typer.
Lets hear it for talking computers.
Lets go for talking i-pods!
Ferd Burfle
Ah, but attempted murder and assault can only happen in the Real World
(tm), while the WD-40 and the push happen in the cartoon world of
attempted humour and roadrunners.
Ferd Burfle
> Lizzy Taylor <li...@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> wrote in news:4aef050a$0$2527
> $da0f...@news.zen.co.uk:
>
>> Nigel Stapley wrote:
>>> GaryN wrote:
>>>
>>>> Since the dawn of language the human race has always used perjoratives
>>>> to describe those that we don't like/agree with, or who just happen to
>>>> come from a different tribe. Which is usually just about everyone.
>>>>
>>>> c.f. "Perfidious Albion",
>>> "Vitreous China"
>> We also use other nationalities as adjectives when describing
>> undesirable things.
>>
>> c.f. German measles, Spanish practices & French fries
>>
>> Lizzy
>
> Why do they have to be 'French Fries'? What's wrong with good solid proper
> British chips.
I know that was most likely a rhetorical question, but I have an
answer. American French fries are thin and crispy; British chips are
thick, limp and wet. I kept asking for "well-done" chips and "crisp"
chips in the UK, but never got served any.
No wonder you put vinegar on them and other abominations.
Nigel Stapley
> Nigel Stapley <un...@judgemental.plus.com> wrote in
> news:u6idnVWex7HsY3PX...@brightview.co.uk:
>
>> GaryN wrote:
>>
>>> Since the dawn of language the human race has always used
>>> perjoratives to describe those that we don't like/agree with, or who
>>> just happen to come from a different tribe. Which is usually just
>>> about everyone.
>>>
>>> c.f. "Perfidious Albion",
>> "Vitreous China"
>
> Could be if the USians decide it's to much of a threat to their economy.
> They've got all those unused nukes sitting around and serious unemployment
> issues(same as us). Actually, firing a few missiles and contracting for
> replacements would kill two stoned birds.
>
> I do not regard this as a proper Foreign Policy, but it might work<shrug>.
> It's possible that the Chinese might like it so that they're not stuck with
> that "bird's nest" stadium in the same way that we are stuck with the
> millenium dome.
>
Um...I suspected that my joke would mis-fire. This is what I meant:
http://sociinc.com/vitreous_china_sinks.html
(Of course vitreous china sinks - it's not likely to float, even if you
leave the plug in).
And I don't - I really mean 'don't' - want to know what makes them
'self-rimming'...
Daniel Orner
> GaryN wrote:
>> Lizzy Taylor <li...@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> wrote in news:4aef050a$0$2527
>
>>> We also use other nationalities as adjectives when describing
>>> undesirable things.
>>>
>>> c.f. German measles, Spanish practices & French fries
>>>
>>> Lizzy
>>
>> Why do they have to be 'French Fries'? What's wrong with good solid
>> proper British chips.
>
> Exactly - British chips are proper solid things, French fries are all
> spindly and hence undesirable ;-)
It's funny how French fries are far more popular in North America than
British chips, considering our relationships with the two countries. 8-)
They're almost impossible to find, in fact. I think that chips are much
easier to be done decently, while French fries are either really good or
really awful.
>
>> What was that famous piece of graffiti from the 80's?
>>
>> "If the French won't buy our lamb, we won't buy their letters"
>>
>> I think that's right.
>
> Was there a corresponding increase in population ?? Or did people
> change their allegiance to the Dutch product instead?
>
> Lizzy
--
http://roleplayingjew.blogspot.com/ - An Orthodox Jew who plays Japanese
role-playing games? Strange but true!
steveski
[snip]
>>
>> Why do they have to be 'French Fries'? What's wrong with good solid
>> proper British chips.
>
> I know that was most likely a rhetorical question, but I have an
> answer. American French fries are thin and crispy; British chips are
> thick, limp and wet. I kept asking for "well-done" chips and "crisp"
> chips in the UK, but never got served any.
>
> No wonder you put vinegar on them and other abominations.
You've been going to the wrong chippies, Rocky - proper British chips are
soft on the inside and crispy on the outside. If they've gone soggy, then
the chippy in question isn't managing their throughput correctly.
--
Steveski
Large Dave
You colonials and your overcooked chips :-) and I have never put vinegar
on an abomination!
SteveD
>Nigel Stapley <un...@judgemental.plus.com> wrote in
>> "Vitreous China"
>
>Could be if the USians decide it's to much of a threat to their economy.
I thought it *was* the US economy.
SteveD
<li...@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> wrote:
>c.f. German measles, Spanish practices & French fries
English muffin, American cheese?
SteveD
>It's human nature to make comments, and apply nicknames, about those who
>are different to us.
Looking more closely at it, it appears that it's human nature to latch on
to and repeat such things if given examples by, for example, politicians
looking for re-election.
It's also fairly easy to rail against a group when a single member was
responsible for a perceived injustice.
I can only guess that it has roots in family and tribal recognition, which
in turn have roots in genome-preservation behaviour.
-SteveD
Reader in Invisible Writings
> GaryN wrote:
>> Lizzy Taylor <li...@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> wrote in news:4aef050a$0$2527
>> $da0f...@news.zen.co.uk:
>>
<snip>
>>
>> Why do they have to be 'French Fries'? What's wrong with good solid
>> proper British chips.
>
> I know that was most likely a rhetorical question, but I have an answer.
> American French fries are thin and crispy; British chips are thick, limp
> and wet. I kept asking for "well-done" chips and "crisp" chips in the
> UK, but never got served any.
>
> No wonder you put vinegar on them and other abominations.
>
> -Bird Ferfuffle
> --
> This statement is false.
You can find good English chips, but it takes 'craftsmanship' to match
oil temperature and cooking time to variety and season. Good chips are
crisp on the outside and (as the U boat commander in Dad's Army* said
"light unt fluffy" on the inside. The resulting chip has a far lower
fat content than the McDonald's type fries. They can be found, but
mostly in the better fish and chip shops. Oven chips are getting
better, but are still not the real deal. Vinegar is used to 'cut the
fat' so that they don't leave your mouth feeling oily, but there is no
purpose with fries and the oil has been totally adsorbed into the
*cardboard* er I mean fries.
*by this I mean the original BBC sitcom and not any colonial re-make on
the same theme.
--
Reader in Invisible Writings.. Something to Ponder upon!
Lizzy Taylor
We don't have English muffins in England, and have you ever tasted
American cheese?
Lizzy
Nigel Stapley
As in 'down the pan'.
Ferd Burfle
I will freely admit to a small sample area, mostly in Brummy and
Mancunery, but these were never crispy even on the outside. They were
not so much "gone soggy" as fully sogged from their creation.
Ferd Burfle
Ick.
"Velveeta" Double Ick with a barfbarf.
Lizzy Taylor
> Lizzy Taylor wrote:
>> SteveD wrote:
>>> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:15:05 +0000, Lizzy Taylor
>>> <li...@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> c.f. German measles, Spanish practices & French fries
>>>
>>> English muffin, American cheese?
>>
>> We don't have English muffins in England, and have you ever tasted
>> American cheese?
>
> Ick.
>
> "Velveeta" Double Ick with a barfbarf.
We don't have anything that quite approaches the culinary achievement of
Velveeta on the UKian side of the pond. Thank god!
Lizzy
Rgemini
> I will freely admit to a small sample area, mostly in Brummy and
> Mancunery, but these were never crispy even on the outside. They were
> not so much "gone soggy" as fully sogged from their creation.
>
The trick is to fry them twice. Pretty much every chippy round here
knows how to do them. Since they all seem to be run by Turkish Cypriots,
I wonder whether the secret of good chips comes from the Mysterious East.
BTW what happened to Fust Buurfle and Sec'n Burfle?
Rgemini, who had pasta for tea.
Bob Larter
> Bob Larter wrote:
>> Lesley Weston wrote:
>>> GaryN wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> My initial intention was to present a rhetorical question about
>>>> "What do
>>>> they want the law to be and where do we stop?"
>>>
>>> The Law is irrelevant, as it so often is. All that's needed is to
>>> avoid hurting people. If the person you're talking to (or about in
>>> their hearing) could be hurt by what you say, then don't say it.
>>
>> The drawback with that approach is that short of developing telepathy,
>> it's difficult to know in advance what's going to offend any given
>> person.
>>
>>
> There's a good chance that physically attacking someone who's fat while
> shouting insults about fat people is going to offend them. It also seems
> quite likely that thin people making jokes about being fat to or around
> someone who is might hurt their feelings.
All true. OTOH, many fat people seem to think it's perfectly okay to
tell skinny people that they're 'scrawny', etc.
--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Larter
> Ferd Burfle wrote:
>
>> I will freely admit to a small sample area, mostly in Brummy and
>> Mancunery, but these were never crispy even on the outside. They were
>> not so much "gone soggy" as fully sogged from their creation.
>>
>
> The trick is to fry them twice. Pretty much every chippy round here
> knows how to do them.
I've told that the best method is to boil them, drain them, /then/ deep
fry them.
Ferd Burfle
It's illegal to call it cheese even here. It's classified as a "cheese
food." It should be illegal to call it "food."
Ferd Burfle
Name stolen from the old "Laugh In."
> Rgemini, who had pasta for tea.
With milk or lemon?
Reader in Invisible Writings
> Ferd Burfle wrote:
>
>> I will freely admit to a small sample area, mostly in Brummy and
>> Mancunery, but these were never crispy even on the outside. They were
>> not so much "gone soggy" as fully sogged from their creation.
>>
>
> The trick is to fry them twice. Pretty much every chippy round here
> knows how to do them. Since they all seem to be run by Turkish Cypriots,
> I wonder whether the secret of good chips comes from the Mysterious East.
>
Whilst Zack of Zack's Plaice in Newport Staffordshire is probably a
Cypriot of some form, the gents who run the Chip shop in Sengenned Road
in Caerphilly are not. It is they who told me the real technique is to
vary the temperature and cooking time to suit the potatoes. They
certainly don't par cook their chips, that's what most Chineese Chip are
- and frozen as well.
Harry Ramsden's chips are normally on the right side, but that is still
some achievement for a corporate organisation.
> Rgemini, who had pasta for tea.
Rgemini
>
>> Rgemini, who had pasta for tea.
>
> With milk or lemon?
Funnily enough, with both! More or less ...
... creme fraiche is made from milk ...
... add some lightly sauted onion or scallions, zest and juice of a
lemon, chopped parsley and smoked salmon trimmings, mix with freshly
cooked penne ... mmmm.
Rgemini
Brian Howlett
> have you ever tasted American cheese?
No-one has...
--
Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen
--------------------------------------------------------------
Sex is like a Bridge game. If you have a good hand, no partner
is needed.
Brian Howlett
> It's classified as a "cheese food."
What does cheese eat, exactly?
--
Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen
-----------------------------------------------------
"You ought to be bloody well hung!"
"What do you mean, 'ought to be'?"
Lizzy Taylor
> On 3 Nov, Ferd Burfle wrote:
>
>> It's classified as a "cheese food."
>
> What does cheese eat, exactly?
You'd have to ask Horace.
Lizzy
Brian Howlett
I can't. He's gone skiing.
--
Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen
-----------------------------------------------------
Watch out...
...you might get what you're after...
Chris Zakes
Not even salad cream?
-Chris Zakes
Texas
A politician may be distinguished from a statesman in that the former is,
unfortunately, not dead.
Adapted from "The Devil's Dictionary" by Ambrose Bierce
Chris Zakes
Back in the '80s when generics were popular, I once saw a package of
(I'm not kidding) "Imitation Pasteurized Processed Cheese Food."
I presume that last word was included so you'd know that it *wasn't*
actually tile grout that had been put in the wrong section of the
store.
Chris Zakes
caused Nigel Stapley <un...@judgemental.plus.com> to write:
>GaryN wrote:
>
>>
>> Since the dawn of language the human race has always used perjoratives to
>> describe those that we don't like/agree with, or who just happen to come
>> from a different tribe. Which is usually just about everyone.
>>
>> c.f. "Perfidious Albion",
>
>"Vitreous China"
Pig-faced bascinet!
Lizzy Taylor
> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:35:59 +0000, an orbital mind-control laser
> caused Lizzy Taylor <li...@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> to write:
>
>> Ferd Burfle wrote:
>>> "Velveeta" Double Ick with a barfbarf.
>> We don't have anything that quite approaches the culinary achievement of
>> Velveeta on the UKian side of the pond. Thank god!
>>
>> Lizzy
>
> Not even salad cream?
But that doesn't pretend that it is cheese!
Lizzy
Carol Hague
>
> I hold no brief for busybodies of any stripe, including that one. I just
> think that people should try not to hurt other people, and a little
> imagination will show them how.
Alas, there are a great many people who lack even a little imagination.
And, I'm sorry to say, a few (at least I hope it's only a few) who
simply don't care if they hurt other people or actually take delight in
doing so.
--
Carol. www.mullimages.com
"This might as well say "bing tiddle tiddle bong".
It's complete gibberish," - Rodney McKay, Stargate: Atlantis
GaryN
news:4cf15bb4...@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk:
> On 3 Nov, Lizzy Taylor wrote:
>
>> Brian Howlett wrote:
>>> On 3 Nov, Ferd Burfle wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's classified as a "cheese food."
>>>
>>> What does cheese eat, exactly?
>
>> You'd have to ask Horace.
>
> I can't. He's gone skiing.
Are you sure he wasn't dealing with spiders?
gary
--
"I really like this jacket
but the sleeves are much too long"
Motorhead - 'Back At The Funny Farm'.
GaryN
> On 2 Nov, Lizzy Taylor wrote:
>
>> have you ever tasted American cheese?
>
> No-one has...
I've seen a lot of USian cheese on the goggle box.
Lesley Weston
> In message <hcmrq6$puf$1...@mud.stack.nl>, Lesley Weston
> <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>> Bob Larter wrote:
>>> Lesley Weston wrote:
>>>> GaryN wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> My initial intention was to present a rhetorical question about
>>>>> "What do
>>>>> they want the law to be and where do we stop?"
>>>>
>>>> The Law is irrelevant, as it so often is. All that's needed is to
>>>> avoid hurting people. If the person you're talking to (or about in
>>>> their hearing) could be hurt by what you say, then don't say it.
>>> The drawback with that approach is that short of developing
>>> telepathy, it's difficult to know in advance what's going to offend
>>> any given person.
>>>
>> There's a good chance that physically attacking someone who's fat
>> while shouting insults about fat people is going to offend them. It
>> also seems quite likely that thin people making jokes about being fat
>> to or around someone who is might hurt their feelings.
>>
> intent but I don't want anyone else trying to suppress jokes about fat
> people. It creates hostility towards fat people where there may have
> been none.
Even if it's self-censorship? I can quite see how legislating against
prejudice creates further prejudice, but I would think that people
deciding for themselves would have the opposite effect, on the principle
that imagining yourself in the other person's place makes you (generic)
more sensitive to that person's needs.
>
> I'm usually capable of telling whether a joke was made with malicious
> intent and I don't trust anyone else, except possibly another fat
> person, to make that distinction on my behalf.
>
>
Again, not even the person who decides not to make the joke? As always
in cases of bigotry, it's not proper for thin people to tell fat people
that said fat people can't make jokes about being fat, but I think it's
a good idea for thin people not to make such jokes.
--
Lesley Weston
The addy above is real, but I won't see anything posted to it for a long
time. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca, adjusting as necessary.
GaryN
news:4AEF0C7E...@cox.net:
<large snip>
>
> Then how do you explain all the people like me who don't use such
> nicknames?
I don't, because frankly I don't really believe you. Can you honestly say
that at no point in your life have you used a nickname to describe a group?
Have you ever used the word 'Yuppies'? How about 'Squaddies'? 'Tramps'?
Bet you a tenner that you have, you can pay me later and I'll bung it to
the Poppy fund, or you can make the donation yourself...:-)
It doesn't have to be racial, it's about labelling people. More to the
point it's about stopping labelling people. The problem being that there
are a hell of a lot of people making their living out of people who label
each other and their jobs go down the pan if we stop.
gary
> --
> Richard The Blind Typer.
> Lets hear it for talking computers.
> Lets go for talking i-pods!
Lesley Weston
> Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> news:hcmrq6$puf$1...@mud.stack.nl:
>
> <snip>
>
>> There's a good chance that physically attacking someone who's fat
>> while shouting insults about fat people is going to offend them. It
>> also seems quite likely that thin people making jokes about being fat
>> to or around someone who is might hurt their feelings.
>
Does anyone do that?
> Do I want a law to prevent it? No.
Neither do I. I did say so here, several times.
> Although I'd like a law banning
> joggers on the towpath when I'm walking into town because it feels like
> they are taking the piss - bastards, they can still run when I can barely
> walk!
>
> Since the dawn of language the human race has always used perjoratives to
> describe those that we don't like/agree with, or who just happen to come
> from a different tribe. Which is usually just about everyone.
>
> c.f. "Perfidious Albion", "Cheese eating surrender monkeys", "Krauts",
> "Johnny foreigner", Nips, Canardlies, Spics, Wops, etc.
>
> It's human nature to make comments, and apply nicknames, about those who
> are different to us. I don't say it's right, just that it is. 50000 years
> of doing it is not going to be overturned by some prat passing a law saying
> that we're not allowed to.
Yes, of course. Which is one reason why such laws are at best useless
and generally make it worse. However, it used to be human nature to
throw stones at disabled people and to burn eccentric old women at the
stake. These things no longer happen, at least in our culture, and
eventually neither will the kind of thing we're talking about.
> Live with it.
We have no choice but to do so; however, I am confident that after
enough time has passed we will all be sufficiently grown-up that we
won't have to.
Lesley Weston
<snip>
> I do not regard this as a proper Foreign Policy, but it might work<shrug>.
> It's possible that the Chinese might like it so that they're not stuck with
> that "bird's nest" stadium in the same way that we are stuck with the
> millenium dome.
Have you seen the thing that's been perpetrated outside Vancouver, the
next host city for the Olympic parasites?
http://media.nowpublic.net/images//93/a/93a3323436d05d8d5d0afb3883dd19f9.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2371/2350967715_f00b9ffd68.jpg
A sort of giant Nissen Hut.
Lesley Weston
> Nigel Stapley wrote:
>> GaryN wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Since the dawn of language the human race has always used
>>> perjoratives to describe those that we don't like/agree with, or who
>>> just happen to come from a different tribe. Which is usually just
>>> about everyone.
>>>
>>> c.f. "Perfidious Albion",
>>
>
> We also use other nationalities as adjectives when describing
> undesirable things.
>
> c.f. German measles, Spanish practices & French fries
Mmmm... french fries...
Lesley Weston
> Lizzy Taylor wrote:
>> GaryN wrote:
>>> Lizzy Taylor <li...@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> wrote in
>>> news:4aef050a$0$2527
>>
>>>> We also use other nationalities as adjectives when describing
>>>> undesirable things.
>>>>
>>>> c.f. German measles, Spanish practices & French fries
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why do they have to be 'French Fries'? What's wrong with good solid
>>> proper British chips.
>>
>> Exactly - British chips are proper solid things, French fries are all
>> spindly and hence undesirable ;-)
>
> It's funny how French fries are far more popular in North America
> than British chips, considering our relationships with the two
> countries. 8-) They're almost impossible to find, in fact. I think that
> chips are much easier to be done decently,
No, they're really difficult, which is why you don't see them so much in
North America. They have to be just the right combination of soft, white
and flaccid with a really /good/ coating of grease, but still tasty.
There is a place near Vancouver, Cockney Kings,
http://www.dinehere.ca/restaurant.asp?r=1042
that does them pretty much right, if you can tolerate the self-conscious
chirpy Cockney humour that goes with each serving. I was expecting the
staff to start cutting capers and shouting "Oy!"at any second. They
switch it off when they hear our accents.
> while French fries are either
> really good or really awful.
Oh yes! Unfortunately, MacDonalds make excellent fries.
Lesley Weston
> Ferd Burfle wrote:
>> GaryN wrote:
>>> Lizzy Taylor <li...@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> wrote in
>>> news:4aef050a$0$2527
>>>
>>>> Nigel Stapley wrote:
>>>>> GaryN wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Since the dawn of language the human race has always used
>>>>>> perjoratives to describe those that we don't like/agree with, or
>>>>>> who just happen to come from a different tribe. Which is usually
>>>>>> just about everyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> c.f. "Perfidious Albion",
>>>>> "Vitreous China"
>>>> undesirable things.
>>>>
>>>> c.f. German measles, Spanish practices & French fries
>>>>
>>>> Lizzy
>>>
>>> Why do they have to be 'French Fries'? What's wrong with good solid
>>> proper British chips.
>>
>> answer. American French fries are thin and crispy; British chips are
>> thick, limp and wet. I kept asking for "well-done" chips and "crisp"
>> chips in the UK, but never got served any.
>>
>> No wonder you put vinegar on them and other abominations.
>
> You colonials and your overcooked chips :-) and I have never put vinegar
> on an abomination!
>
Why not? It should scare it away quite nicely.
Ferd Burfle
> On 3 Nov, Ferd Burfle wrote:
>
>> It's classified as a "cheese food."
>
> What does cheese eat, exactly?
I'm guessing mostly petroleum products.
Ferd Burfle
No, they eat hay.
Lesley Weston
> SteveD wrote:
>> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:15:05 +0000, Lizzy Taylor
>> <li...@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>
> We don't have English muffins in England, and have you ever tasted
> American cheese?
Yes. It's nice, especially on hamburgers.
Ferd Burfle
> Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I hold no brief for busybodies of any stripe, including that one. I just
>> think that people should try not to hurt other people, and a little
>> imagination will show them how.
>
> Alas, there are a great many people who lack even a little imagination.
>
> And, I'm sorry to say, a few (at least I hope it's only a few) who
> simply don't care if they hurt other people or actually take delight in
> doing so.
"Psychopaths."
Lesley Weston
> Ferd Burfle wrote:
>>> SteveD wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:15:05 +0000, Lizzy Taylor
>>>> <li...@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> c.f. German measles, Spanish practices & French fries
>>>>
>>>> English muffin, American cheese?
>>>
>>> We don't have English muffins in England, and have you ever tasted
>>> American cheese?
>>
>>
>> "Velveeta" Double Ick with a barfbarf.
>
> We don't have anything that quite approaches the culinary achievement of
> Velveeta on the UKian side of the pond. Thank god!
Oh yes you do! It's called processed cheese and comes in little
triangles wrapped in foil, all in a round box. I'm not sure, but I think
Velveeta is one of the UK brands as well. Here in Canada we also have La
Vache Qui Rit cheese, which is not as good as its name. But American
cheese usually means the thin slices of orange cheese-product that come
wrapped in individual condoms and are used for burgers.
Lesley Weston
> Lesley Weston wrote:
>> Bob Larter wrote:
>>> Lesley Weston wrote:
>>>> GaryN wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> My initial intention was to present a rhetorical question about
>>>>> "What do
>>>>> they want the law to be and where do we stop?"
>>>>
>>>> The Law is irrelevant, as it so often is. All that's needed is to
>>>> avoid hurting people. If the person you're talking to (or about in
>>>> their hearing) could be hurt by what you say, then don't say it.
>>>
>>> The drawback with that approach is that short of developing
>>> telepathy, it's difficult to know in advance what's going to offend
>>> any given person.
>>>
>>>
>> while shouting insults about fat people is going to offend them. It
>> also seems quite likely that thin people making jokes about being fat
>> to or around someone who is might hurt their feelings.
>
> tell skinny people that they're 'scrawny', etc.
>
Not IME. But being fat doesn't make someone a saint, so perhaps they do
when I'm not around.
Lesley Weston
> Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I hold no brief for busybodies of any stripe, including that one. I just
>> think that people should try not to hurt other people, and a little
>> imagination will show them how.
>
> Alas, there are a great many people who lack even a little imagination.
>
> And, I'm sorry to say, a few (at least I hope it's only a few) who
> simply don't care if they hurt other people or actually take delight in
> doing so.
Well yes, there are always those. But fewer of them as we progress.
Ferd Burfle
> GaryN wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I do not regard this as a proper Foreign Policy, but it might
>> work<shrug>. It's possible that the Chinese might like it so that
>> they're not stuck with that "bird's nest" stadium in the same way that
>> we are stuck with the millenium dome.
>
> Have you seen the thing that's been perpetrated outside Vancouver, the
> next host city for the Olympic parasites?
>
> http://media.nowpublic.net/images//93/a/93a3323436d05d8d5d0afb3883dd19f9.jpg
>
>
> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2371/2350967715_f00b9ffd68.jpg
>
> A sort of giant Nissen Hut.
We have a big ugly flying saucer that crashed into the Tulsa economy:
http://www.acc-tv.com/images/ktul/news/vidcap_dz_bokcenter_0408.jpg
You could see Paul McCartney for $200 there.
Daniel Orner
I think it's a good idea for them not to make such jokes about people
who they don't know very well. I think it's perfectly fine if you're
good friends with someone and you both know perfectly well that nothing
harsh is meant by it. Also, if you *are* good enough friends, hopefully
your friend will be open enough to tell you if something you said was
hurtful.
--
http://roleplayingjew.blogspot.com/ - An Orthodox Jew who plays Japanese
role-playing games? Strange but true!
Bernard Peek
<brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>> As a fat person I have some issues with that. I recognise your good
>>intent but I don't want anyone else trying to suppress jokes about fat
>>people. It creates hostility towards fat people where there may have
>>been none.
>
>Even if it's self-censorship? I can quite see how legislating against
>prejudice creates further prejudice, but I would think that people
>deciding for themselves would have the opposite effect, on the
>principle that imagining yourself in the other person's place makes you
>(generic) more sensitive to that person's needs.
>> I'm usually capable of telling whether a joke was made with
>>malicious intent and I don't trust anyone else, except possibly
>>another fat person, to make that distinction on my behalf.
>>
>Again, not even the person who decides not to make the joke? As always
>in cases of bigotry, it's not proper for thin people to tell fat people
>that said fat people can't make jokes about being fat, but I think it's
>good idea for thin people not to make such jokes.
It's often but not always wrong for a thin-person to make fat-person
jokes. There are lots of situations where I would laugh as much as
anyone else. It's mainly dependent on their intent and the manner in
which the joke is delivered.
I don't like the idea of people around me feeling threatened if they
make the wrong sort of joke.
--
Bernard Peek
Bernard Peek
<roy...@CAPITALayresonline.LETTERS.me.uk> writes
>Ferd Burfle wrote:
>
>> I will freely admit to a small sample area, mostly in Brummy and
>>Mancunery, but these were never crispy even on the outside. They were
>>not so much "gone soggy" as fully sogged from their creation.
>>
>
>The trick is to fry them twice. Pretty much every chippy round here
>knows how to do them. Since they all seem to be run by Turkish
>Cypriots, I wonder whether the secret of good chips comes from the
>Mysterious East.
Quite possibly further East than this particular part of East London.
You can get very good chips in most parts of Belgium. Around here your
best bet is to get them from a Chinese takeaway.
When I lived in Leeds you usually got less than crispy chips but because
they had been fried in beef dripping I forgave them for that. I haven't
had decent fried fish since I moved back down here in 1988.
--
Bernard Peek
Brian Howlett
> Brian Howlett <news-s...@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote in
> news:48625ab4...@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk:
>> On 2 Nov, Lizzy Taylor wrote:
>>
>>> have you ever tasted American cheese?
>>
>> No-one has...
> I've seen a lot of USian cheese on the goggle box.
Oh, I'm not denying the *existence* of American cheese...
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Paul Jamison
"Ferd Burfle" <fe...@moonwalking-on-water.com> wrote in message
news:9dZHm.60$de6...@newsfe21.iad...
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=795636
I'm still not convinced that it'll be anything more than a white wossname -
long nose, big ears, usually grey except it's white.
Wichita for years has desperately tried to revive the downtwon area. Nothing
much has worked. Still lots of empty office buildings and parking lots.
Paul
Bob Larter
> GaryN wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I do not regard this as a proper Foreign Policy, but it might
>> work<shrug>. It's possible that the Chinese might like it so that
>> they're not stuck with that "bird's nest" stadium in the same way that
>> we are stuck with the millenium dome.
>
> Have you seen the thing that's been perpetrated outside Vancouver, the
> next host city for the Olympic parasites?
>
> http://media.nowpublic.net/images//93/a/93a3323436d05d8d5d0afb3883dd19f9.jpg
>
>
> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2371/2350967715_f00b9ffd68.jpg
>
> A sort of giant Nissen Hut.
Sounds like Jeff's Shed, here in Melbourne:
<http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=melbourne,+au&ie=UTF8&om=1&hq=&hnear=Melbourne+VIC&ll=-37.825442,144.954455&spn=0.003975,0.005627&t=h&z=18>
(AKA: the Melbourne Convention Exhibition Centre.)
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. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
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Bob Larter
> On 3 Nov, Ferd Burfle wrote:
>
>> It's classified as a "cheese food."
>
> What does cheese eat, exactly?
Lactose, IIRC.
Bob Larter
> Bob Larter wrote:
>> Lesley Weston wrote:
>>> Bob Larter wrote:
>>>> Lesley Weston wrote:
>>>>> GaryN wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>>> My initial intention was to present a rhetorical question about
>>>>>> "What do
>>>>>> they want the law to be and where do we stop?"
>>>>>
>>>>> The Law is irrelevant, as it so often is. All that's needed is to
>>>>> avoid hurting people. If the person you're talking to (or about in
>>>>> their hearing) could be hurt by what you say, then don't say it.
>>>>
>>>> The drawback with that approach is that short of developing
>>>> telepathy, it's difficult to know in advance what's going to offend
>>>> any given person.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> There's a good chance that physically attacking someone who's fat
>>> while shouting insults about fat people is going to offend them. It
>>> also seems quite likely that thin people making jokes about being fat
>>> to or around someone who is might hurt their feelings.
>>
>> All true. OTOH, many fat people seem to think it's perfectly okay to
>> tell skinny people that they're 'scrawny', etc.
>>
> Not IME. But being fat doesn't make someone a saint, so perhaps they do
> when I'm not around.
I'm skinny, & I get comments like that regularly.
April Goodwin-Smith
> GaryN wrote:
> <snip>
>> <snip> the Chinese might like it so that they're not stuck
>> with that "bird's nest" stadium <snip>
>
> Have you seen the thing that's been [placed] outside Vancouver, the next
> host city for the Olympic <snip>?
> http://media.nowpublic.net/images//93/a/93a3323436d05d8d5d0afb3883dd19f9.jpg
> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2371/2350967715_f00b9ffd68.jpg
> A sort of giant Nissen Hut.
>
I had heard that the Speed Skating Oval in Richmond was going
to be torn down after the Olympics because the land in Richmond
is to unstable (read: waterlogged) to support the structure in the
long-term. But this website seems to indicate that there are plans
to have plans for the future:
http://richmondoval.ca/default.htm
Funny old world, she said, carefully not expressing her point of
view in case the Thought Police get her. We have always been
in love with the Olympics.
April.
April Goodwin-Smith
> Daniel Orner wrote:
<snip>
>> while French fries are either really good or really awful.
> Oh yes! Unfortunately, MacDonalds make excellent fries.
>
That's because they blanch the potato strips in sugarwater
before the strips are flash frozen. Once the strips are deep
fried and salted, you get that lovely play of sweet and salty
against each other.
Your teeth get coated with the most unbelievable stuff,
but your tongue just doesn't want to know.
:)
April.
April Goodwin-Smith
<snip>
> But being fat doesn't make someone a saint, so
> perhaps they do when I'm not around.
>
I am so a saint.
A round short saint, but nonetheless.
April.
Thomas Zahr
> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:15:05 +0000, Lizzy Taylor
> <li...@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> wrote:
>
> >c.f. German measles, Spanish practices & French fries
>
> English muffin, American cheese?
Makes sense
--
Cheers,
Thomas =:-)
GaryN
> On 3 Nov, GaryN wrote:
>
>> Brian Howlett <news-s...@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote in
>> news:48625ab4...@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk:
>
>>> On 2 Nov, Lizzy Taylor wrote:
>>>
>>>> have you ever tasted American cheese?
>>>
>>> No-one has...
>
>> I've seen a lot of USian cheese on the goggle box.
>
> Oh, I'm not denying the *existence* of American cheese...
I was actually using it in the other sense of the word as in "Oh for f**k
sake, this is so cheesy. Change to another channel"
Mind you, in Harry Harrison's "Star Smashers of the Galaxy Rangers"[1] an
interstellar drive powered by 'cheddite' is produced by bombarding USian
cheddar in a particle accelerator by mistake. I suppose it could
happen...:-)
gary
[1]An excellent piss-take of 50's and 60's pulp sci-fi.
--
"I really like this jacket
but the sleeves are much too long"
Motorhead - 'Back At The Funny Farm'.
Lesley Weston
Well yes, you can't make one rule for all situations. But what we were
discussing at the beginning of this was not friendly teasing but
malicious attacks.
>
> I don't like the idea of people around me feeling threatened if they
> make the wrong sort of joke.
>
Which indicates that you are a lot more sensitive to other people's
needs than many of those people might be to yours.
Lesley Weston
> Lesley Weston wrote:
>> GaryN wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> I do not regard this as a proper Foreign Policy, but it might
>>> work<shrug>. It's possible that the Chinese might like it so that
>>> they're not stuck with that "bird's nest" stadium in the same way
>>> that we are stuck with the millenium dome.
>>
>> Have you seen the thing that's been perpetrated outside Vancouver, the
>> next host city for the Olympic parasites?
>>
>> http://media.nowpublic.net/images//93/a/93a3323436d05d8d5d0afb3883dd19f9.jpg
>>
>>
>> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2371/2350967715_f00b9ffd68.jpg
>>
>> A sort of giant Nissen Hut.
>
> We have a big ugly flying saucer that crashed into the Tulsa economy:
>
> http://www.acc-tv.com/images/ktul/news/vidcap_dz_bokcenter_0408.jpg
Ugh! But I think ours is worse in both ways.
>
> You could see Paul McCartney for $200 there.
You can't see anyone at any price in ours, because they've sold all the
tickets to corporations. However, I would probably go to see Paul
McCartney if someone paid me $200.