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James Kuyper
May 18, 2012, 6:36:15 AM5/18/12
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On 05/18/2012 06:09 AM, A.Reader wrote:
> Beginning of ch. 13:
>
> "What sound does forgetfulness make?"
>
> She hardly had to think. "It's the sound of the wind in dead
> grasses on a hot summer's day."
>
>
> This sounds, to me anyway, remarkably like a paraphrase of one of
> Basho's most famous haiku: "summer grasses -- all that remains
> of warriors' dreams" (natsu gusa ya / tsuwamono domo ga / yume no
> ato)
>
> Intentional?
There's only two significant words in common: "summer" and "grasses".
Forgetfulness and death ares explicit in the first quotation, and
implicit in the second; none of the other aspects of either quotation
has any resonance with the other: sound, wind, heat, warriors, and
dreams. That seems to me like a pretty week connection, not a
"remarkable" one.
I would believe PTerry if he said there was a connection, but without
such confirmation, it doesn't seem very plausible to me.
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James Kuyper
> Beginning of ch. 13:
>
> "What sound does forgetfulness make?"
>
> She hardly had to think. "It's the sound of the wind in dead
> grasses on a hot summer's day."
>
>
> This sounds, to me anyway, remarkably like a paraphrase of one of
> Basho's most famous haiku: "summer grasses -- all that remains
> of warriors' dreams" (natsu gusa ya / tsuwamono domo ga / yume no
> ato)
>
> Intentional?
There's only two significant words in common: "summer" and "grasses".
Forgetfulness and death ares explicit in the first quotation, and
implicit in the second; none of the other aspects of either quotation
has any resonance with the other: sound, wind, heat, warriors, and
dreams. That seems to me like a pretty week connection, not a
"remarkable" one.
I would believe PTerry if he said there was a connection, but without
such confirmation, it doesn't seem very plausible to me.
--
James Kuyper
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Lesley Weston
May 18, 2012, 10:10:59 AM5/18/12
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On 05-18-12 5:17 AM, A.Reader wrote:
> The difference in specific wording is why I said 'paraphrase'.
> Have you ever seen summer grasses used as a symbol of forgetting
> other than in ISWM and Basho's poem? I haven't. I suspect
> that those two cases are all that exist in literature.
>
> But I agree that it's far from certain that SirPt had Basho's
> poem in mind. It could be mere "great minds" coincidence, whence
> my "possible".
>
> But it feels like the sort of allusion he's so good at tossing
> in, though usually he leaves less doubt.
It seems like one of his "distant echo" references, calling something to
mind without directly referencing it and leaving it up to us to make the
connection, as you have. He's good at those. Which book is it?
Lesley.
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> Have you ever seen summer grasses used as a symbol of forgetting
> other than in ISWM and Basho's poem? I haven't. I suspect
> that those two cases are all that exist in literature.
>
> But I agree that it's far from certain that SirPt had Basho's
> poem in mind. It could be mere "great minds" coincidence, whence
> my "possible".
>
> But it feels like the sort of allusion he's so good at tossing
> in, though usually he leaves less doubt.
It seems like one of his "distant echo" references, calling something to
mind without directly referencing it and leaving it up to us to make the
connection, as you have. He's good at those. Which book is it?
Lesley.
--
This address is real, but to reach me use leswes att shaw dott ca
Larry Moore
May 18, 2012, 11:50:26 AM5/18/12
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http://www.haikupoetshut.com/basho1.html is one of the more
interesting for Basho.
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sweat of laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hope of its
children. " D D Eisenhower
Lesley Weston
May 18, 2012, 2:05:53 PM5/18/12
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