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Esmeraldus

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May 1, 2008, 5:09:40 PM5/1/08
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After a year-long revision process that ended at about midnight last night,
I have filed my dissertation prospectus.

It's not the dissertation itself, but it was a significant barrier, and I
had a hard time with it. Yesterday my director finally spoke up on my
behalf, saying that no other student in 30 years had been so thoroughly
cross-examined.

So now I get to repeat the performance with the dissertation, which should
be a barrel of laughs. But at least it means that I get another year of
funding, rather than having to seek an adjunct position somewhere and work
on it while teaching a heavy course load.

--
Stacie, fourth swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons & Bondage-happy predator
AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion
"If you can't be a good example, you'll just have to be a horrible
warning." Catherine Aird, _His Burial Too_
http://esmeraldus.blogspot.com/


ingenious paradox

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May 1, 2008, 6:01:56 PM5/1/08
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On Thu, 1 May 2008 17:09:40 -0400, "Esmeraldus"
<muclu...@mypacks.net> wrote:

Hooray!

>It's not the dissertation itself, but it was a significant barrier, and I
>had a hard time with it. Yesterday my director finally spoke up on my
>behalf, saying that no other student in 30 years had been so thoroughly
>cross-examined.

Is that because they don't like your ideas, or because they think they
need to be developed as far as you can run?

Julie

Esmeraldus

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May 1, 2008, 6:05:14 PM5/1/08
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I think there is a third option, but I'd really rather not release that
theory onto the interwebz under my own name.


peachy ashie passion

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May 1, 2008, 6:07:01 PM5/1/08
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Esmeraldus wrote:

> After a year-long revision process that ended at about midnight last night,
> I have filed my dissertation prospectus.
>
> It's not the dissertation itself, but it was a significant barrier, and I
> had a hard time with it. Yesterday my director finally spoke up on my
> behalf, saying that no other student in 30 years had been so thoroughly
> cross-examined.
>
> So now I get to repeat the performance with the dissertation, which should
> be a barrel of laughs. But at least it means that I get another year of
> funding, rather than having to seek an adjunct position somewhere and work
> on it while teaching a heavy course load.
>


Yay Esmeraldus!

Also, thank heavens you are a closet masochist.

Elliott Grasett

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May 1, 2008, 6:16:08 PM5/1/08
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Esmeraldus wrote:
> After a year-long revision process that ended at about midnight last night,
> I have filed my dissertation prospectus.
>
> It's not the dissertation itself, but it was a significant barrier, and I
> had a hard time with it. Yesterday my director finally spoke up on my
> behalf, saying that no other student in 30 years had been so thoroughly
> cross-examined.
>
> So now I get to repeat the performance with the dissertation, which should
> be a barrel of laughs. But at least it means that I get another year of
> funding, rather than having to seek an adjunct position somewhere and work
> on it while teaching a heavy course load.
>
Dancing rodents. And noli illegitemi carborundum.

--
Cheers,
Elliott

Esmeraldus

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May 1, 2008, 6:50:42 PM5/1/08
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Ha. I've just invested a whole lot of time in this degree.


Lesley Weston

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May 1, 2008, 7:06:30 PM5/1/08
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Esmeraldus wrote:
> After a year-long revision process that ended at about midnight last night,
> I have filed my dissertation prospectus.
>
> It's not the dissertation itself, but it was a significant barrier, and I
> had a hard time with it. Yesterday my director finally spoke up on my
> behalf, saying that no other student in 30 years had been so thoroughly
> cross-examined.
>
> So now I get to repeat the performance with the dissertation, which should
> be a barrel of laughs. But at least it means that I get another year of
> funding, rather than having to seek an adjunct position somewhere and work
> on it while teaching a heavy course load.
>
Excellent! Especially the last bit.

--
Lesley Weston

The addy above is real, but I won't see anything posted to it for a long
time. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca, adjusting as necessary.

peachy ashie passion

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May 1, 2008, 8:28:32 PM5/1/08
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Esmeraldus wrote:

Yes, as I said. Masochist.

Mary-MKS

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May 2, 2008, 9:15:11 AM5/2/08
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Esmeraldus wrote:
> After a year-long revision process that ended at about midnight last night,
> I have filed my dissertation prospectus.
> It's not the dissertation itself, but it was a significant barrier, and I
> had a hard time with it. Yesterday my director finally spoke up on my
> behalf, saying that no other student in 30 years had been so thoroughly
> cross-examined.
> So now I get to repeat the performance with the dissertation, which should
> be a barrel of laughs. But at least it means that I get another year of
> funding, rather than having to seek an adjunct position somewhere and work
> on it while teaching a heavy course load.

Congratulations. I hope it gets easier.

-Mary

--
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Girls Clubs, who offer enrichment programs at four inner city Clubs and
a summer camp for underprivileged children. To support me, you can just
type "Mary Salit" into the box at http://www.ulbgc.org/marathon2008.php

Thomas Zahr

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May 2, 2008, 8:43:16 AM5/2/08
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Esmeraldus posted:

> ... prospectus filed

Woah! Congratulations

> ... Yesterday my director finally spoke up on my behalf,


> saying that no other student in 30 years had been so
> thoroughly cross-examined.

Ouch. At least they are going in with eyes wide open ;-)

--
Ciao

Thomas =:-)
<I'm in urgent need of a coffee>

Daniel Orner

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May 2, 2008, 9:36:10 AM5/2/08
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Esmeraldus wrote:
> After a year-long revision process that ended at about midnight last night,
> I have filed my dissertation prospectus.
>
> It's not the dissertation itself, but it was a significant barrier, and I
> had a hard time with it. Yesterday my director finally spoke up on my
> behalf, saying that no other student in 30 years had been so thoroughly
> cross-examined.
>
> So now I get to repeat the performance with the dissertation, which should
> be a barrel of laughs. But at least it means that I get another year of
> funding, rather than having to seek an adjunct position somewhere and work
> on it while teaching a heavy course load.
>

Congrats! I've never done a doctorate, but I can certainly remember the
spine-tingling horror of presenting my master's thesis. *shiver*
Sometimes I regret not going further in academia, but there are always
things that remind me why I didn't. ^^;

Bonzai Kitten

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May 2, 2008, 10:20:25 AM5/2/08
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That's extremely impressive. And to be grilled like that, everyone
else must have thought so too!

Daniel Orner

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May 2, 2008, 12:05:00 PM5/2/08
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It wasn't too bad, honestly... a 20-minute presentation, followed by 2
hours of attack questions... -_-;;;
Seriously, though, by the time you actually present the thesis, it's
almost impossible that it'll be turned down, or your mentor/whatever the
term is (I've already forgotten) would have told you about it. It's
extremely rare. So I basically just took the questions as they were,
answered the ones I could, said "that's a good point, you're right" to
the ones I couldn't, and came out okay. 8-)
Ironically, I ended up *disproving* my thesis to some extent, but still
wrangled it into two separate papers. Some of the reviewers were
impressed that I had the courage to show results that were inconsistent
with what I'd expected.

Esmeraldus

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May 2, 2008, 1:15:30 PM5/2/08
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Daniel Orner wrote:
> Esmeraldus wrote:
>> After a year-long revision process that ended at about midnight last
>> night, I have filed my dissertation prospectus.
<snip>

> Congrats! I've never done a doctorate, but I can certainly remember
> the spine-tingling horror of presenting my master's thesis. *shiver*
> Sometimes I regret not going further in academia, but there are always
> things that remind me why I didn't. ^^;

My Master's went so smoothly that thi was a bit of a rude hock.


Diane L.

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May 2, 2008, 5:05:16 PM5/2/08
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Esmeraldus wrote:
> After a year-long revision process that ended at about midnight last
> night, I have filed my dissertation prospectus.
>
> It's not the dissertation itself, but it was a significant barrier,
> and I had a hard time with it. Yesterday my director finally spoke up
> on my behalf, saying that no other student in 30 years had been so
> thoroughly cross-examined.
>
> So now I get to repeat the performance with the dissertation, which
> should be a barrel of laughs. But at least it means that I get
> another year of funding, rather than having to seek an adjunct
> position somewhere and work on it while teaching a heavy course load

Congratulations.

I hope the rest of the process goes well.

Diane L. (who does give a toss)


Esmeraldus

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May 2, 2008, 6:51:10 PM5/2/08
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Diane L. wrote:
> Esmeraldus wrote:


>> So now I get to repeat the performance with the dissertation, which
>> should be a barrel of laughs. But at least it means that I get
>> another year of funding, rather than having to seek an adjunct
>> position somewhere and work on it while teaching a heavy course load
>
> Congratulations.
>
> I hope the rest of the process goes well.
>
> Diane L. (who does give a toss)


Thank you. The full story is locked down on my Livejournal, because I
really, really can't let some of it loose into the wild. But I have been
raked over the coals for months.


Larry Moore

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May 2, 2008, 7:06:48 PM5/2/08
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On 2008-05-02, Thomas Zahr <Use...@zahr-mail.de> wrote:
> Esmeraldus posted:
>
>> ... prospectus filed
>
> Woah! Congratulations
>
>> ... Yesterday my director finally spoke up on my behalf,
>> saying that no other student in 30 years had been so
>> thoroughly cross-examined.
>
> Ouch. At least they are going in with eyes wide open ;-)
>

And it will be no honourary degree.

--
Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an
understanding of ourselves.
Carl Jung

Geoff Field

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May 2, 2008, 11:22:05 PM5/2/08
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Daniel Orner wrote:
> Bonzai Kitten wrote:
>> On May 2, 11:36 pm, Daniel Orner <webmas...@ffcompendium.com> wrote:
>>> Esmeraldus wrote:
>>>> After a year-long revision process that ended at about midnight
>>>> last night, I have filed my dissertation prospectus.
>>>> It's not the dissertation itself, but it was a significant
>>>> barrier, and I had a hard time with it. Yesterday my director
>>>> finally spoke up on my behalf, saying that no other student in 30
>>>> years had been so thoroughly cross-examined.
>>>> So now I get to repeat the performance with the dissertation,
>>>> which should be a barrel of laughs. But at least it means that I
>>>> get another year of funding, rather than having to seek an adjunct
>>>> position somewhere and work on it while teaching a heavy course
>>>> load.
>>> Congrats! I've never done a doctorate, but I can certainly
>>> remember the spine-tingling horror of presenting my master's
>>> thesis. *shiver* Sometimes I regret not going further in academia, but
>>> there are
>>> always things that remind me why I didn't. ^^;
>>
>> That's extremely impressive. And to be grilled like that, everyone
>> else must have thought so too!
>
> It wasn't too bad, honestly... a 20-minute presentation, followed by 2
> hours of attack questions... -_-;;;

That's what it feels like to present at a design review in Japan.

> Seriously, though, by the time you actually present the thesis, it's
> almost impossible that it'll be turned down, or your mentor/whatever
> the term is (I've already forgotten) would have told you about it.
> It's extremely rare. So I basically just took the questions as they
> were, answered the ones I could, said "that's a good point, you're
> right" to the ones I couldn't, and came out okay. 8-)
> Ironically, I ended up *disproving* my thesis to some extent, but
> still wrangled it into two separate papers. Some of the reviewers were
> impressed that I had the courage to show results that were
> inconsistent with what I'd expected.

That's what the scientific method is all about, really, isn't it?

And dancing rodents on getting through this important barrier.

Geoff


--
Geoff Field
Professional Geek,
Amateur Stage-Levelling Gauge


Esmeraldus

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May 2, 2008, 11:28:44 PM5/2/08
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Geoff Field wrote:

> And dancing rodents on getting through this important barrier.

Thanks. I'm not sure what to expect from the "defense" of the prospectus,
though.

It's a bigger committee thn my Master's, and the process hasn't been as
smooth.

--
Stacie, fourth swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons & Bondage-happy predator

AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion & AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED

E.S.

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May 3, 2008, 3:33:24 AM5/3/08
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On 2 touko, 00:09, "Esmeraldus" <mucluc59...@mypacks.net> wrote:
> After a year-long revision process that ended at about midnight last night,
> I have filed my dissertation prospectus.
>
> It's not the dissertation itself, but it was a significant barrier, and I
> had a hard time with it. Yesterday my director finally spoke up on my
> behalf, saying that no other student in 30 years had been so thoroughly
> cross-examined.
>
> So now I get to repeat the performance with the dissertation, which should
> be a barrel of laughs. But at least it means that I get another year of
> funding, rather than having to seek an adjunct position somewhere and work
> on it while teaching a heavy course load.

*cheers with wild abandon*

Jeff Howell

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May 5, 2008, 9:56:35 AM5/5/08
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Esmeraldus wrote:
> After a year-long revision process that ended at about midnight last night,
> I have filed my dissertation prospectus.
>
> It's not the dissertation itself, but it was a significant barrier, and I
> had a hard time with it. Yesterday my director finally spoke up on my
> behalf, saying that no other student in 30 years had been so thoroughly
> cross-examined.
>
> So now I get to repeat the performance with the dissertation, which should
> be a barrel of laughs. But at least it means that I get another year of
> funding, rather than having to seek an adjunct position somewhere and work
> on it while teaching a heavy course load.

Well done! I know how much stress I've been under just working on my
Master's degree, so I figure taking that and multiplying it by at least
10 gives me some idea of your workload. ;)

Have fun with the dissertation! (assuming that's possible)

--
Jeff

Jeff Howell

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May 5, 2008, 9:58:24 AM5/5/08
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And this is *exactly* why I'm so very happy that I had the option of
doing a Master's project instead of a thesis...

--
Jeff

Esmeraldus

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May 5, 2008, 1:00:16 PM5/5/08
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Our Master's program had a portfolio option a well as a thesis option, but I
knew I'd be going on the the Ph.D., so I wanted the practice.


Jeff Howell

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May 5, 2008, 1:21:56 PM5/5/08
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Yeah... if I were at all interested in doing my Ph.D., I'd have gone the
thesis route. But I'm not. At all. ;) So in a bit less than a week,
I'll be finished with my Master's degree and making a go at life outside
academia.

--
Jeff

Esmeraldus

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May 5, 2008, 1:25:06 PM5/5/08
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You're that close to finishing it? Go you. I have a "defense" of my
propectus tomorrow, and I am frankly terrified, because I've been put
through an unusual amount of grief over the thing.

But with any luck, I should finish in a year or so.

It would be so nice to be finished...I envy you while at the same time being
very HAPPY for you.


Mary-MKS

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May 6, 2008, 9:23:01 AM5/6/08
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Esmeraldus wrote:
> Jeff Howell wrote:
>> Yeah... if I were at all interested in doing my Ph.D., I'd have gone
>> the thesis route. But I'm not. At all. ;) So in a bit less than a
>> week, I'll be finished with my Master's degree and making a go at
>> life outside academia.
> It would be so nice to be finished...I envy you while at the same time being
> very HAPPY for you.

AOL.

Congratulations, Jeff.

peachy ashie passion

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May 9, 2008, 10:51:29 PM5/9/08
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Mary-MKS wrote:
> Esmeraldus wrote:
>
>> Jeff Howell wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah... if I were at all interested in doing my Ph.D., I'd have gone
>>> the thesis route. But I'm not. At all. ;) So in a bit less than a
>>> week, I'll be finished with my Master's degree and making a go at
>>> life outside academia.
>>
>> It would be so nice to be finished...I envy you while at the same time
>> being very HAPPY for you.
>
>
> AOL.
>
> Congratulations, Jeff.
>
> -Mary
>

Is it time yet? Are ya done yet?

Congratulations Jeff!

It's a year later for me and I am STILL luxuriating in not having
homework.

FiX

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May 10, 2008, 5:03:03 PM5/10/08
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On Thu, 1 May 2008 17:09:40 -0400, "Esmeraldus"
<muclu...@mypacks.net> wrote:

>er a year-long revision process that ended at about midnight last night,
>I have filed my dissertation prospectus.

[...]

Dancing rodents!

FiX
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appreciate things that leave Joe and Josephine Q.
Public drooling with duh."
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Alec Cawley

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May 10, 2008, 5:13:39 PM5/10/08
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And yet ISTR yo8 thinking about taking on another course to keep the
academic access. Truly a double edged sword.

CCA

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May 11, 2008, 6:58:36 AM5/11/08
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On May 1, 10:09�pm, "Esmeraldus" <mucluc59...@mypacks.net> wrote:
> After a year-long revision process that ended at about midnight last night,

> I have filed my dissertation prospectus.

Excellent! :-)

CCA

peachy ashie passion

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May 11, 2008, 5:50:29 PM5/11/08
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On Sat, 10 May 2008 22:13:39 +0100, Alec Cawley <al...@spamspam.co.uk>
wrote:

It is.

I seriously did apply to another masters degree program to start
after I finished my first, but I didn't meet the acceptance criteria,
and they wouldn't waive the geography bit. :(

Jeff Howell

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May 13, 2008, 9:34:18 AM5/13/08
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Esmeraldus wrote:
> Jeff Howell wrote:
>> Esmeraldus wrote:
>>> Jeff Howell wrote:
>>>> Esmeraldus wrote:
>>>>> My Master's went so smoothly that thi was a bit of a rude hock.
>>>> And this is *exactly* why I'm so very happy that I had the option of
>>>> doing a Master's project instead of a thesis...
>>> Our Master's program had a portfolio option a well as a thesis
>>> option, but I knew I'd be going on the the Ph.D., so I wanted the
>>> practice.
>> Yeah... if I were at all interested in doing my Ph.D., I'd have gone
>> the thesis route. But I'm not. At all. ;) So in a bit less than a
>> week, I'll be finished with my Master's degree and making a go at
>> life outside academia.
>
> You're that close to finishing it? Go you. I have a "defense" of my
> propectus tomorrow, and I am frankly terrified, because I've been put
> through an unusual amount of grief over the thing.

Close enough that now I'm done. Woo! Well... except for a single grade
that I'm waiting for, but I'm not particularly worried about it.

> But with any luck, I should finish in a year or so.

It's amazing how a year can be both incredibly short and painfully long
all at the same time, isn't it?

> It would be so nice to be finished...I envy you while at the same time being
> very HAPPY for you.

Thanks. :) It's a huge relief to be done. Of course, now there's that
whole 'real world' thing I have to deal with.

--
Jeff

Jeff Howell

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May 13, 2008, 9:36:11 AM5/13/08
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peachy ashie passion wrote:
> Mary-MKS wrote:
>> Esmeraldus wrote:
<finishing my Masters degree>

>>> It would be so nice to be finished...I envy you while at the same
>>> time being very HAPPY for you.
>> AOL.
>>
>> Congratulations, Jeff.
> Is it time yet? Are ya done yet?
>
> Congratulations Jeff!
>
> It's a year later for me and I am STILL luxuriating in not having
> homework.

Thanks, all three of you. :)

I'm not sure what I'm going to *do* now that I've got evenings and
weekends free to do something other than schoolwork!

--
Jeff

Lesley Weston

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May 13, 2008, 1:44:24 PM5/13/08
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Jeff Howell wrote:
> Esmeraldus wrote:
>> Jeff Howell wrote:
>>> Esmeraldus wrote:
>>>> Jeff Howell wrote:
>>>>> Esmeraldus wrote:
>>>>>> My Master's went so smoothly that thi was a bit of a rude hock.
>>>>> And this is *exactly* why I'm so very happy that I had the option of
>>>>> doing a Master's project instead of a thesis...
>>>> Our Master's program had a portfolio option a well as a thesis
>>>> option, but I knew I'd be going on the the Ph.D., so I wanted the
>>>> practice.
>>> Yeah... if I were at all interested in doing my Ph.D., I'd have gone
>>> the thesis route. But I'm not. At all. ;) So in a bit less than a
>>> week, I'll be finished with my Master's degree and making a go at
>>> life outside academia.
>>
>> You're that close to finishing it? Go you. I have a "defense" of my
>> propectus tomorrow, and I am frankly terrified, because I've been put
>> through an unusual amount of grief over the thing.
>
> Close enough that now I'm done. Woo! Well... except for a single grade
> that I'm waiting for, but I'm not particularly worried about it.

Congratulations!

--
Lesley Weston

The addy above is real, but I won't see anything posted to it for a long
time. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca, adjusting as necessary.

Geoff Field

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May 14, 2008, 7:12:12 AM5/14/08
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Jeff Howell wrote:
[snip]

> I'm not sure what I'm going to *do* now that I've got evenings and
> weekends free to do something other than schoolwork!

Have a life, perhaps?

Oh, and dancing rodents to you, too. I don't think I congratulated you
yet.

Jeff Howell

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May 14, 2008, 7:57:43 AM5/14/08
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Geoff Field wrote:
> Jeff Howell wrote:
> [snip]
>> I'm not sure what I'm going to *do* now that I've got evenings and
>> weekends free to do something other than schoolwork!
>
> Have a life, perhaps?

Scary thought, that. But maybe I'll give it a try. Once I catch up on
my sleep, that is.

> Oh, and dancing rodents to you, too. I don't think I congratulated you
> yet.

Thanks. :)

--
Jeff

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