[F] "alt.female.pulchritude?"
David Chapman
the idea has found root in the perverte^Wfertile imaginations of others -
that an AFP Scantily (Yet Decently) Clad Women Calendar be assembled for the
Convention. As one #AFPer put it, "if the WI can do it..."
So - whaddayathink?
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> So - whaddayathink?
H'm. Lots of forthcoming arguments about who who fancies the most,
girls saying "I'm not doing it" "only if the boys do it" other
halves saying "I don't want her to do it" etc, etc.
All very messy.
I'll sit back and watch now...[1]
kt
[1] and of course nothing of the like of what I've predicted will
happen...
Jenny Delaney
wrote:
>OK, here's the scoop. It has been suggested on #AFP - initially by me, but
>the idea has found root in the perverte^Wfertile imaginations of others -
>that an AFP Scantily (Yet Decently) Clad Women Calendar be assembled for the
>Convention. As one #AFPer put it, "if the WI can do it..."
>
>So - whaddayathink?
No.
Stu Harvie
"Jenny Delaney" <clanw...@freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:s403jvsssfsges06e...@4ax.com...
facsimiles thereof) are also considering either joining in to do a "scenes
from Discworld" or a seperate blokeish one
Stu
Karen Hanna Kruzycka
<3f317e94$0$11384$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com>:
> OK, here's the scoop. It has been suggested on #AFP - initially by me,
> but the idea has found root in the perverte^Wfertile imaginations of
> others - that an AFP Scantily (Yet Decently) Clad Women Calendar be
> assembled for the
> Convention. As one #AFPer put it, "if the WI can do it..."
>
> So - whaddayathink?
I can't think about it yet. I'm still too busy with the shuddering,
flesh-creeping horror.
Karen/Fox
Tom De Mulder
> OK, here's the scoop. It has been suggested on #AFP - initially by me, but
> the idea has found root in the perverte^Wfertile imaginations of others -
> that an AFP Scantily (Yet Decently) Clad Women Calendar be assembled for the
> Convention. As one #AFPer put it, "if the WI can do it..."
> So - whaddayathink?
I think you shouldn't let your testosterone post to Usenet.
You might also want to actually check with the convention committee (I
can't speak for the rest of them) if they agree with this before
suggesting any association with it whatsoever.
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Jens Ayton
> David Chapman:
>>
>> OK, here's the scoop. It has been suggested on #AFP - initially by
>> me, but the idea has found root in the perverte^Wfertile
>> imaginations of others - that an AFP Scantily (Yet Decently) Clad
>> Women Calendar be assembled for the Convention. As one #AFPer put
>> it, "if the WI can do it..." So - whaddayathink?
>
> I think you shouldn't let your testosterone post to Usenet.
As it happens, the initial discussion was pretty low in sleaze factor -
and involved several proposed models. (It also wasn't connected to the
con.) Unfortunately, David's description (or lack thereof) seems to have
managed to kill the idea pretty effectively. Ah, well...
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LoneCat
>
> David Chapman <nos...@nospam.gro> wrote:
> > OK, here's the scoop. It has been suggested on #AFP - initially by
> > me, but the idea has found root in the perverte^Wfertile imaginations
> > of others - that an AFP Scantily (Yet Decently) Clad Women Calendar
> > be assembled for the Convention. As one #AFPer put it, "if the WI
> > can do it..."
> >
> > So - whaddayathink?
>
Any particular reason why?
I'm rather taken with the idea myself. I'd buy one. And one of the
blokes as well, of course. All proceeds to the orang-utans, naturally.
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>>So - whaddayathink?
> No.
What she said.
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Eric Jarvis
> OK, here's the scoop. It has been suggested on #AFP - initially by me, but
> the idea has found root in the perverte^Wfertile imaginations of others -
> that an AFP Scantily (Yet Decently) Clad Women Calendar be assembled for the
> Convention. As one #AFPer put it, "if the WI can do it..."
>
> So - whaddayathink?
>
I think that given that it is afp it should be a Scantily
(Yet Decently) Clad Persons Calendar
it should feature at least one person wearing a negligee
and a beard
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There ain't no answer in me"
Eric Jarvis
> Gary Nicholass wrote:
> >
> > David Chapman <nos...@nospam.gro> wrote:
> > > OK, here's the scoop. It has been suggested on #AFP - initially by
> > > me, but the idea has found root in the perverte^Wfertile imaginations
> > > of others - that an AFP Scantily (Yet Decently) Clad Women Calendar
> > > be assembled for the Convention. As one #AFPer put it, "if the WI
> > > can do it..."
> > >
> > > So - whaddayathink?
> >
> > Sounds like a remarkably bad idea.
>
> Any particular reason why?
>
> I'm rather taken with the idea myself. I'd buy one. And one of the
> blokes as well, of course. All proceeds to the orang-utans, naturally.
>
I think it only works at all if the blokes, women and so
on are on the same calendar
if the proceeds go to the orang utans there should also
be at least one photo of a scantily clad orang
utan, preferably on the cover...paintshopped rather than
dressed and photographed ideally
dragonprince
> David Chapman wrote:
>> OK, here's the scoop. It has been suggested on #AFP - initially by me, but
>> the idea has found root in the perverte^Wfertile imaginations of others -
>> that an AFP Scantily (Yet Decently) Clad Women Calendar be assembled for the
>> Convention. As one #AFPer put it, "if the WI can do it..."
>>
>> So - whaddayathink?
>>
>
> I think that given that it is afp it should be a Scantily
> (Yet Decently) Clad Persons Calendar
the meme developed into 2 one male one female callender profits to the old
men of the forrest.
it could be done tastefully..
think photo's of random as miss band. all depends on content and context
> it should feature at least one person wearing a negligee
> and a beard
ok so thats gids bit done...
dp
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David Chapman <nos...@nospam.gro> typed:
> OK, here's the scoop. It has been suggested on #AFP -
> initially by me, but the idea has found root in the
> perverte^Wfertile imaginations of others - that an AFP Scantily
> (Yet Decently) Clad Women Calendar be assembled for the
> Convention. As one #AFPer put it, "if the WI can do it..."
>
> So - whaddayathink?
One of the theatre groups I'm a member of suggested doing this
recently, in an effort to raise money/let people know they
existed. Since there were only twelve people of the necessary
legal age in the group (and most of them men), the idea sort of
ran out of steam, despite the fact that many of us (me included)
wouldn't mind doing it, and would in fact welcome the chance to
put it on the CV, especially if there was a chance of catching a
glimpse of some of the rather attractive women in the group in
the altogether.
Yes, we were in the pub at the time.
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"LoneCat" <susan_...@hotmail.com> wrote
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> Gary Nicholass wrote:
>
> David Chapman <nos...@nospam.gro> wrote:
> OK, here's the scoop. It has been suggested on #AFP - initially by
> me, but the idea has found root in the perverte^Wfertile imaginations
> of others - that an AFP Scantily (Yet Decently) Clad Women Calendar
> be assembled for the Convention. As one #AFPer put it, "if the WI
> can do it..."
> So - whaddayathink?
>
> Sounds like a remarkably bad idea.
>
> Any particular reason why?
>
> I'm rather taken with the idea myself. I'd buy one. And one of the
> blokes as well, of course. All proceeds to the orang-utans, naturally.
Yup , what Lonecat said ...I think it sounds like a fun idea ..anyone
else remember that word? Fun?
Melody
Suzi
alt.fan.pratchett, Lady Kayla <lady...@suespammers.org> wibbled...
> On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 23:26:41 +0100, Jenny Delaney <clanw...@freeuk.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:18:38 +0100, "David Chapman" <nos...@nospam.gro>
> > wrote:
>
> >>OK, here's the scoop. It has been suggested on #AFP - initially by me, but
> >>the idea has found root in the perverte^Wfertile imaginations of others -
> >>that an AFP Scantily (Yet Decently) Clad Women Calendar be assembled for the
> >>Convention. As one #AFPer put it, "if the WI can do it..."
>
> >>So - whaddayathink?
>
> > No.
>
> What she said.
Thirded
Suzi
Jenny Delaney
<dragon...@suespammers.org> wrote:
>On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:41:57 +0100, Eric Jarvis wrote:
>
>> I think that given that it is afp it should be a Scantily
>> (Yet Decently) Clad Persons Calendar
>the meme developed into 2 one male one female callender profits to the old
>men of the forrest.
>
>it could be done tastefully..
>
>think photo's of random as miss band. all depends on content and context
And since when did Random dressed as Miss Band come under the
definition of "scantily dressed"? Possibly in Taliban-era Afghanistan,
but that's it.
Jenny
Ailbhe
+0100):
> OK, here's the scoop. It has been suggested on #AFP - initially by
> me, but the idea has found root in the perverte^Wfertile imaginations
> of others - that an AFP Scantily (Yet Decently) Clad Women Calendar
> be assembled for the Convention. As one #AFPer put it, "if the WI
> can do it..."
>
> So - whaddayathink?
I think that none of the women I know well would agree to be in it. And
I think that if it was full of afpers I didn't know, I wouldn't buy
it. But then, I don't buy any fan merchandise anyway; I don't have that
particular acquisitiveness gene.
I think you'd get more takers for something like an AFPMen and Women in
Drag calendar, personally.
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>
>I think you'd get more takers for something like an AFPMen and Women in
>Drag calendar, personally.
... and *certainly* for an AFPMen and Women in Discworld costume calendar.
Not to put a wet blanket on the scantily-clad idea, but a significant
proportion of the beautiful ladies here have had unwanted propositions
from other afpers at one time or another, and sometimes from people who
Just Don't Get Hints or anything short of Threats Of Violence(TM). So I
can understand the reticence.
The WI's a different case - there, they're selling something to the
general public, so there's no particular emotional stake. Here, the
target market is basically people you already know, which is a lot weirder
for a start, and may well involve people you don't *like*. Especially in
a male-dominated demographic such as anything net-based, where the women
are quite possibly *tired* of being sharked.
The costume calendar looks like it could well be a goer, though -
especially if you don't restrict it to afp and allow people like the guy
who did Offler at CCDE etc.
Peter
David Chapman
> I'm rather taken with the idea myself. I'd buy one. And one of the
> blokes as well, of course. All proceeds to the orang-utans,
> naturally.
Which bloke do you want to buy? I'm sure we can arrange something.
David Chapman
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:41:57 +0100, Eric Jarvis wrote:
>> I think that given that it is afp it should be a Scantily
>> (Yet Decently) Clad Persons Calendar
> the meme developed into 2 one male one female callender profits to
> the old men of the forrest.
The main problem with the idea of a male calendar is finding twelve male
AFPers that anybody would want to look at.
David Chapman
> Tom De Mulder:
>> David Chapman:
>>>
>>> OK, here's the scoop. It has been suggested on #AFP - initially by
>>> me, but the idea has found root in the perverte^Wfertile
>>> imaginations of others - that an AFP Scantily (Yet Decently) Clad
>>> Women Calendar be assembled for the Convention. As one #AFPer put
>>> it, "if the WI can do it..." So - whaddayathink?
>>
>> I think you shouldn't let your testosterone post to Usenet.
>
> As it happens, the initial discussion was pretty low in sleaze
> factor -
Where'd the sleaze factor come from? It was obviously never going to be
anything but low-sleaze if it happened because the ladies wouldn't stand for
anything else [1]. This is AFP, not the bloody Mirror group - get any
thoughts of "nuddy LoneCat and strategically placed Pterry novels" out of
your head [2]. We'd most likely be talking cosplay for the photos anyway,
rather than the standard "only treasure is hidden" stuff. "Girl in Bikini
With Scythe", Gytha Ogg (c. Year of the Startled Ferret), the Nac Mac Feegle
Beach Volleyball Team, that sort of thing.
> and involved several proposed models.
We hit fifteen at one point, as I recall - several of whom were even willing
to pose. However, I didn't want to name any names in public. On an
unlogged channel in context is one thing, but out of context in an archived
forum could imply that those named had given their assent.
> (It also wasn't connected to the con.)
Well, at first it was all in jest. OTOH, if the project went ahead it would
only be natural for the proceeds to go to the Convention.
I also didn't feel the need to ask the ConCom before posting because it *is*
only hypothetical at this time. The Con is a business, albeit
non-profit-making, and in business you do your feasibility study before
arranging distribution and marketing.
[1] The law might have something to say also.
[2] At least, in connection with the calendar proposal.
David Chapman
Think photos of Random as Ptraci at CCDE, then.
LoneCat
Maybe he was thinking of Random dressed as Ptraci? Both scanty and
tasteful.
Eric Jarvis
> The Department of Pre-Crime reports that dragonprince will say:
> > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:41:57 +0100, Eric Jarvis wrote:
>
> >> I think that given that it is afp it should be a Scantily
> >> (Yet Decently) Clad Persons Calendar
>
> > the meme developed into 2 one male one female callender profits to
> > the old men of the forrest.
>
> The main problem with the idea of a male calendar is finding twelve male
> AFPers that anybody would want to look at.
>
cf the afp marriages thread
and I, for one, would pay good money to see ccooke
wearing a tutu, Gid Holyoake in a negligee, or Barry R in
Random's Ptraci costume
Jennie Lees
> The costume calendar looks like it could well be a goer, though -
> especially if you don't restrict it to afp and allow people like the guy
> who did Offler at CCDE etc.
Indeed -- some of the costumes I've seen at CCDEs have been utterly
beyond belief, and an 'official' calendar featuring some of the
consistently good would definitely be something worth seeing.
Not sure about restricting it to scantily clad costumes, though; in this
weather, that might well be attractive *grin* but it's a bit restrictive
in the face of some stunning non-scanty costumes.
-Jennie
Ailbhe
+0100):
> David Chapman wrote:
> > The main problem with the idea of a male calendar is finding twelve
> > male AFPers that anybody would want to look at.
>
> cf the afp marriages thread
>
> and I, for one, would pay good money to see ccooke wearing a tutu,
> Gid Holyoake in a negligee, or Barry R in Random's Ptraci costume
ccooke raised almost a thousand quid by wearing a dress in public once.
(We had to add in the cost of the materials to make it a thousand, but
he wore it anyway). I'd cheerfully make another for a good cause,
though this time I'd measure him myself.
CCA
>dragonprince wrote:
>>think photo's of random as miss band. all depends on content and context
>And since when did Random dressed as Miss Band come under the
>definition of "scantily dressed"? Possibly in Taliban-era Afghanistan,
>but that's it.
>
Yes, but that's the point -- it wouldn't have to be 'scantily' at all. In
fact, I think ordinary photos would be better -- maybe dressed as Discworld
characters or something. And with men *and* women.
I think it's an idea that needs a lot more discussion first.
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>The main problem with the idea of a male calendar is finding twelve male
>AFPers that anybody would want to look at.
Which is why I think ordinary *clothed* photos would be better.
CCA
>and I, for one, would pay good money to see ccooke
>wearing a tutu, Gid Holyoake in a negligee, or Barry R in
>Random's Ptraci costume
Now you're talking! That sounds excellent :-)
CCA
>David Chapman wrote
>It has been suggested on #AFP - initially by
>> me, but the idea has found root in the perverte^Wfertile imaginations
>> of others - that an AFP Scantily (Yet Decently) Clad Women Calendar
>> be assembled for the Convention.
>I think that none of the women I know well would agree to be in it. And
>I think that if it was full of afpers I didn't know, I wouldn't buy
>it.
Yes, that's another good point. We might end up with people wanting to do it,
and the organisers (whoever they might be) saying "But you're not well enough
known on AFP, no-one will recognise you." Which to me sounds like a recipe for
hurt feelings and resentment, which no-one would want to happen.
Jon
Not to mention the fact that the whole nude calendar schtick has been done
to death by every 'good cause' going in the last few years. Novelty value
zero. Sales value ditto. The 'scenes from DW' idea has potential though,
IMO; um ... can I be Rincewind? Look, I've got the beard and everything ....
flabbergast
<snip>
> Not to put a wet blanket on the scantily-clad idea, but a significant
> proportion of the beautiful ladies here have had unwanted propositions
> from other afpers at one time or another, and sometimes from people who
> Just Don't Get Hints or anything short of Threats Of Violence(TM). So I
> can understand the reticence.
What he said, basicly. Once again proving that there are a few amazing
men on AFP.
But well yes yes yes, that's the pretty much the core of this is a
really really bad idea. Only put to more comprehensive words that I
could manage. As mine in this case tends to go towards the *eeeek*
NOOOOOO EWWWWWWWWW type of utterings. And put by a bloke as well,
well done Peter.
okbye
/me flabbergasted, just flabbergasted
Orjan Westin
> The Department of Pre-Crime reports that dragonprince will say:
>> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:41:57 +0100, Eric Jarvis wrote:
>
>>> I think that given that it is afp it should be a Scantily
>>> (Yet Decently) Clad Persons Calendar
>
>> the meme developed into 2 one male one female callender profits to
>> the old men of the forrest.
>
> The main problem with the idea of a male calendar is finding twelve
> male AFPers that anybody would want to look at.
That's all right, I can do a dozen poses.
Whaddya mean "nobody would want"?
Orjan
Richard Bos
> David Chapman wrote:
> > The main problem with the idea of a male calendar is finding twelve male
> > AFPers that anybody would want to look at.
>
> cf the afp marriages thread
>
> and I, for one, would pay good money to see ccooke
> wearing a tutu, Gid Holyoake in a negligee, or Barry R in
> Random's Ptraci costume
Or even Orjan and Marco as Westala and Villtin.
Richard
The Flying Hamster
> Maybe he was thinking of Random dressed as Ptraci? Both scanty and
> tasteful.
Can't say I noticed that costume[1] ;)
Mark
[1] Reason: think short and violent.
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[Calendar ideas]
>Or even Orjan and Marco as Westala and Villtin.
Marco spent most of CCDE dressed as Villtin. I'd be intrigued to see them both
together in costume.
Thought: Maybe even myself dressed as a character from...okay, possibly not,
then...
Eric Jarvis
or cross dressing as Villtin and Westala
CCA
>žus cwęš CCA:
[Calendar idea]
>> Yes, that's another good point. We might end up with people
>> wanting to do it, and the organisers (whoever they might be) saying
>> "But you're not well enough known on AFP, no-one will recognise
>> you." Which to me sounds like a recipe for hurt feelings and
>> resentment, which no-one would want to happen.
>Not to mention the fact that the whole nude calendar schtick has been done
>to death by every 'good cause' going in the last few years. Novelty value
>zero. Sales value ditto. The 'scenes from DW' idea has potential though,
>IMO
I like the 'scenes from DW' one too, but the same problem might arise -- people
getting told "You're not really well enough known on AFP for this, no-one will
recognise you."
>um ... can I be Rincewind? Look, I've got the beard and everything ....
Photo?
Guitar Huw
following
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:29:40 +0100, LoneCat <susan_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Maybe he was thinking of Random dressed as Ptraci? Both scanty and
> > tasteful.
>
> Can't say I noticed that costume[1] ;)
>
> Mark
>
> [1] Reason: think short and violent.
But Ped and I weren't at CCDE...
Oh, hang on...
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> and I, for one, would pay good money to see ccooke
> wearing a tutu, Gid Holyoake in a negligee, or Barry R in
> Random's Ptraci costume
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Rosemary Warner
wrote:
>On 7 Aug 2003, Ailbhe wrote:
>>
>>I think you'd get more takers for something like an AFPMen and Women in
>>Drag calendar, personally.
>
>... and *certainly* for an AFPMen and Women in Discworld costume calendar.
>
>Not to put a wet blanket on the scantily-clad idea, but a significant
>proportion of the beautiful ladies here have had unwanted propositions
>from other afpers at one time or another, and sometimes from people who
>Just Don't Get Hints or anything short of Threats Of Violence(TM). So I
>can understand the reticence.
What He Said, speaking from personal experience.
On the other hand, recreating the book covers, as Lonecat, An~ejo and
the girl dressed as Tiffany did at CCDE did, might work. And it would
offer an opportunity for any women who wished to appear scantily clad
to do so (see Ptraci on Pyramids, Angua on MAA, etc.) I have yet to
think of any incidences of scantily clad men on Pratchett covers
though, sadly...
Rosemary
Gideon Hallett
news:93q4jvc9771nkjohs...@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:08:01 +0100, Peter Ellis
> <pj...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>>On 7 Aug 2003, Ailbhe wrote:
>>>
>>>I think you'd get more takers for something like an AFPMen
>>>and Women in Drag calendar, personally.
<snip>
> What He Said, speaking from personal experience.
>
> I have yet to think of any
> incidences of scantily clad men on Pratchett covers though,
> sadly...
UIVMM, there were scantily-clad elves on L&L, scantily-clad men
(and a god) on SG, scantily-clad trolls on various books, scantily-
clad barbarians on TLF (I think) and TLH and possibly IT as well.
Try looking again. None of them are exactly he-men (with the
possible exception of Om), but they are there.
Gideon.
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Flying Hamster <hamster...@nospam.wibble.org> writes
>On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:06:32 +0100, Eric Jarvis <w...@ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote:
>> and I, for one, would pay good money to see ccooke
>> wearing a tutu, Gid Holyoake in a negligee, or Barry R in
>> Random's Ptraci costume
>
>Time to wash my mind out, there are just some images I don't need.
>
1996...
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>
> I have yet to
> think of any incidences of scantily clad men on Pratchett covers
> though, sadly...
>
one of the highlights of the Maskerade was a remarkably
realistic Cohen...who I think has to count as both
scantily clad, and on at least one book cover
Brian Wakeling
Rosemary Warner <darth...@meanandevil.co.uk> typed:
Corgi UK paperbacks feature scantily clad...
Herenna the Henna Haired Harridan, Lackjaw, Cohen - TLF
Conina - S
Ptraci - P
Ginger - MP
Brutha, Om - SG
The Silver Horde - IT
And MAA, FoC, M!M and CJ feature what can only be described as
cleavage shots of (respectively) Angua, Christine, and various
miscellaneous minor vampyres of the Magpyr clan.
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> Richard Bos wrote
>
> [Calendar ideas]
> >Or even Orjan and Marco as Westala and Villtin.
>
> Marco spent most of CCDE dressed as Villtin. I'd be intrigued to see them both
> together in costume.
I even fenced two sabres with Marco at CCDE (and I *think* he had
Villtin clothes under the fencing clothes). Yes, there is a reason why
Autopet prefers two blades. next time I'll make sure there's enough
light to see my opponent's actual blades, though, bound to make things
easier.
//Ingvar
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Terry Pratchett
<stu...@quinn-harvie.co.uk> writes
>> No.
>It should be pointed out at this juncture that Blokes (or reasonable
>facsimiles thereof) are also considering either joining in to do a "scenes
>from Discworld" or a seperate blokeish one
Hmm. There might be some real commercial interest in a 'scenes from
Discworld calendar', but it would have to be done properly.
--
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Karen Hanna Kruzycka
<RGkvlVGE9mM$Ew...@jajones.demon.co.uk>:
> In article <slrnbj4int.953....@weasel.korenwolf.net>, The
> Flying Hamster <hamster...@nospam.wibble.org> writes
>>Time to wash my mind out, there are just some images I don't need.
>>
> Hm. I'm just remembering certain male afpers on a bouncy castle back in
> 1996...
I thought there was a moratorium on mentioning that?
If there isn't there should be. Until about... ooh, 2096, I reckon.
Karen/Fox
Eric Jarvis
given that the standard of the classiest costumes in the
Maskerades is at best professional, and at worst far
better than the BBC have ever done for sf/fantasy...and
given that there are a number of afper who can take
photographs of a professional standard...I don't see
"properly" being an insurmountable problem
Martin Francis
news:MPG.199caccc7...@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
> given that the standard of the classiest costumes in the
> Maskerades is at best professional, and at worst far
> better than the BBC have ever done for sf/fantasy...and
> given that there are a number of afper who can take
> photographs of a professional standard...
(puts his hand up)
Ooh, me! Me! I've got two thirds of a BA!
Well, perhaps... actually, no, all my confidence in my photographic ability
just evaporated. Hope this doesn't happen when I go for a job...
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Steve James
> David Chapman <nos...@nospam.gro> wrote:
> > OK, here's the scoop. It has been suggested on #AFP - initially by
> > me, but the idea has found root in the perverte^Wfertile imaginations
> > of others - that an AFP Scantily (Yet Decently) Clad Women Calendar
> > be assembled for the Convention. As one #AFPer put it, "if the WI
> > can do it..."
> >
> > So - whaddayathink?
>
> Sounds like a remarkably bad idea.
>
> Which is not, of course, to say that the ladies wouldn't be a graceful
> addition to *any* calendar.
>
> Just don't think it's a winner; or even, to be honest, a starter.
>
Stephen Briggs and the Studio Theatre Club managed to doa calendar for
last year with the proceeds to a Cancer Charity.
Maybe someone should speak to him about the problems they had doing it.
There is nothing like experience.
Steve (Steeljam) *BF DAcFD (UU) *
Resident Opsimath in Redivivus Studies
elfin
> On 7 Aug 2003, Ailbhe wrote:
>>
>> I think you'd get more takers for something like an AFPMen and Women
>> in Drag calendar, personally.
>
> ... and *certainly* for an AFPMen and Women in Discworld costume
> calendar.
>
> Not to put a wet blanket on the scantily-clad idea, but a significant
> proportion of the beautiful ladies here have had unwanted propositions
> from other afpers at one time or another, and sometimes from people
> who Just Don't Get Hints or anything short of Threats Of
> Violence(TM). So I can understand the reticence.
not just the ladies either, I seem to recall a few gents being harrassed as
well.
[snip]
I am against the idea of an afp calnder. I think the cost will far outstrip
(erm no pun intended) the profits. Remember that afp is small in comparison
to Pratchett fandom worldwide, so even the market is limited.
Also a scantily clad calender featuring the esteemed Mr Briggs was produced
for this year, and another is being produced for next year. I have been told
on more than one occasion that he has a gorgeous bum, who am I to quibble
:-)
IMHO for a calender, such as the one proposed, to work would require a few
well known names...
elfin
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PHOEBE123
A wonderful idea- not just ladies though. I think it should be
scenes-from-the-books idea; the staging of the front covers will be
expensive -where the hell will we get a camel, for goodness sake, for
'Pyramids'?
I'll be up for it, too! As long as it's nothing too arse-flashing.
But imagine a pic featuring Vimes, Angua and Carrot at a crime scene, or of
Nanny, Granny and Agnes sitting around a fire cooking toast and drinking
tea. Or maybe a lesson in the Assassin's guild. Or Tiffany dragging her
brother with a frying pan in hand- maybe it could be themed for the months-
Lancre Morris dancers in May, Death in January surrounded by snow, Hogfather
for December...
This perhaps is a "great to talk about" idea, rather then "actually doing
it" kind of thing; although we're all be enthusiastic (I'm good with a
make-up brush and handy with a needle -cut THOSE sort of jokes out RIGHT
now) but it costs money for production.
Still, you have a volunteer here, both in front and behind the camera- as
long as it's nothing to do with stratigically placed scythes and Pterry
books...
Sian
XxX
David Chapman
> Not to put a wet blanket on the scantily-clad idea, but a significant
> proportion of the beautiful ladies here have had unwanted propositions
> from other afpers at one time or another, and sometimes from people
> who Just Don't Get Hints or anything short of Threats Of
> Violence(TM). So I can understand the reticence.
Whatever happened to "Take back the night?" If someone doesn't take a hint
short of a threat of violence, threaten them with violence. If they *still*
persist, kick their bollocks into their ribcage - and if they try to get up,
hit them again. Don't be concerned about being ladylike when he isn't being
gentlemanly.
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Peter Ellis
Well yes, and that's what gets done. However, you may then not want to
make a swimsuit calendar for them to get their jollies over, and you
may want to warn others that it's not a good idea.
Peter
David Chapman
Peter, nobody was going to be in such a calendar who was not having fun
doing it. Are you suggesting that AFPfemales should live in fear of a
handful of cretins?
Cybercat
<ga...@ciderspace.org.uk> wrote:
>So the ladies who have said unequivocably[1] "No" to this idea[2] should
>come and visit (violence upon) you for continuing to push the subject?
No, because he's not trying to force anybody to do this. Just because
some have said no, doesn't mean there aren't others who might. Or are
you saying that he's not allowed to talk about it because some people
here said no?
The way you bring it, if I ask a female afper out and she makes it
very clear she's not interested, it'll give her the right to kick me
where it hurts when I ask another.
I'm not interested in his calendar, I never buy one anyway, but I see
no problems in him discussing it.
--
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Suzi
alt.fan.pratchett, Eric Jarvis <w...@ericjarvis.co.uk> wibbled...
[Snip]
> and I, for one, would pay good money to see...[Snip]
> Gid Holyoake in a negligee [Snip]
He's already done "...in a catsuit" at a meet - that _was_ weird
Suzi
The Flying Hamster
> short of a threat of violence, threaten them with violence. If they *still*
> persist, kick their bollocks into their ribcage - and if they try to get up,
> hit them again. Don't be concerned about being ladylike when he isn't being
> gentlemanly.
I think the quote LK has from an old martial arts instructor on this
matter is appropriate (not exact) "don't kick a bloke in the balls
unless you're prepared to kill him"
--
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David Chapman
> Cybercat <elect...@theglobe.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:14:44 +0100, "Gary Nicholass"
>> <ga...@ciderspace.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> So the ladies who have said unequivocably[1] "No" to this idea[2]
>>> should come and visit (violence upon) you for continuing to push the
>>> subject?
>>
>> No, because he's not trying to force anybody to do this.
>
> much by accident or you have no real point.
No, she quoted exactly the right amount.
> By suggesting it David is forcing those who don't like the idea into
> the camp of those who do like the idea; or could live with it.
This is among the stupidest sentences I have ever read. Congratulations.
>> I'm not interested in his calendar, I never buy one anyway, but I see
>> no problems in him discussing it.
>
> Tharrrrr be the problem Mateys
> Anyone can
> talk about anything here AFAIK - doesn't mean I have to agree.
So I shouldn't suggest it because I would be forcing people to do it, and my
discussing it is a problem because some people may agree with me instead of
you, but I can talk about anything I like. Riiiight.
Why did I ever take you out of my killfile? You're an imbecile.
David Chapman
> If 12 people don't want to do it, then the idea
> is not viable,
ITYM "if there are not 12 people who want to do it" - unless there are only
23 people, of course.
> and my understanding was that there were 15 volunteers,
> though I may be wrong.
You are. There were fifteen names suggested as possibilities, but not all
of them had volunteered. That's why I didn't mention who they were.
Leo Breebaart
> Cybercat <elect...@theglobe.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:14:44 +0100, "Gary Nicholass"
> > <ga...@ciderspace.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> So the ladies who have said unequivocably[1] "No" to this idea[2]
> >> should come and visit (violence upon) you for continuing to push
> >> the subject?
> >
> > No, because he's not trying to force anybody to do this.
>
> Quote enough for reference or fuck off.
I think that was completely uncalled for. It's unfortunately not the
first time I've seen you resorting to insults and uncivilised utterances
after someone says something you don't like in an afp discussion, and I
really wish you would stop doing this. It's making the newsgroup a much
less pleasant place to be.
> If you don't like my opinions KF me
But the same applies to you. Why should we just killfile you if we don't
like what you're saying (which is incidentally, and certainly in my
case, not the same as not liking your opinions), but you get to to tell
us to fuck off in public? That's hardly fair.
> Sorry Cat I'm knackered, which makes me even more bad tempered.
I am sorry too, but I stopped taking your apologies for your
bad-tempered behaviour on the newsgroup seriously after the second or
third time you made them in similar situations.
If you're knackered or drunk or hungover or disturbed by your lovelife
or whatever, then please try to have the self-restraint to not take your
troubles out on us in the first place. We're not here to be your
lightning rod or therapy group or punching bag, and in the long run that
sort of thing is not going to be of any help to you either.
--
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Ingvar Mattsson
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:14:41 +0100, David Chapman <nos...@nospam.gro> wrote:
> > short of a threat of violence, threaten them with violence. If they *still*
> > persist, kick their bollocks into their ribcage - and if they try to get up,
> > hit them again. Don't be concerned about being ladylike when he isn't being
> > gentlemanly.
>
> I think the quote LK has from an old martial arts instructor on this
> matter is appropriate (not exact) "don't kick a bloke in the balls
> unless you're prepared to kill him"
Don't get into a fight you're not prepared to not leave.
Any scrap that isn't explicitly negotiated as "practice" is, for all
intents and purposes, aimed at making sure your opponent can't harm
you and that is (alas) much easier by maiming or killing than just
incapacitating.
//Ingvar
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Richard Bos
Practice _or_ play. I've been in play-fights which could not reasonably
be called practice since I'd long ago stopped being a judoka and AFAIK
so had he, but we were wrestling anyway just for the physical fun of it.
Richard
Ingvar Mattsson
I'd be categorical and chance "practice" to "fun". Though that doesn't
entirely cover the entire spectrum. The fencing I did at CCDE was
definitely for "fun", but even doing it for the sheer pleasure is,
well, something that affects your skills, one way or another. So weven
if the primary purpose is for the pleasure of poetry in motion, I'd
call it "practice". But I can be quite categorical, that way.
//Ingvar (på sin Kant)
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Eric Jarvis
unfortunately I've had two sessions of training in
unarmed combat...one with a former member of the
Paras...one with a former member of the SAS...they don't
appear to be able to teach "reasonable force"
so I do my damnedest to never get into fights
CCA
[Possible AFP Calendar]
>If 12 people don't want to do it, then the idea is
>not viable, and my understanding was that there were 15 volunteers,
>though I may be wrong.
The way I understood it, fifteen names had been discussed in terms of "She/he
might do it..." I don't know whether there have been any actual volunteers
yet, but the preliminary discussions took place on hash-afp [1] and I don't
read that. (Yet)
CCA:)
[1] This is my parents' computer I'm using ATM (it's cooler down here than it
would be upstairs on my own one) and it doesn't have a hash-sign AFAIK
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CCA
>The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Gary Nicholass will say:
>> Cybercat wrote:
>>> No, because he's not trying to force anybody to do this.
>>You've either snipped too
>> much by accident or you have no real point.
>No, she quoted exactly the right amount.
I've met Cybercat, and he's a *he*. (And a very nice chap too...)
CCA:)
CCA
[Comments from Gary N.]
>If you're knackered or drunk or hungover or disturbed by your lovelife
>or whatever, then please try to have the self-restraint to not take your
>troubles out on us in the first place.
Couldn't that have been better said by e-mail?
CCA:)
Ingvar Mattsson
> Ingvar Mattsson wrote:
[SNIP]
> > Don't get into a fight you're not prepared to not leave.
> >
> > Any scrap that isn't explicitly negotiated as "practice" is, for all
> > intents and purposes, aimed at making sure your opponent can't harm
> > you and that is (alas) much easier by maiming or killing than just
> > incapacitating.
> >
>
> unfortunately I've had two sessions of training in
> unarmed combat...one with a former member of the
> Paras...one with a former member of the SAS...they don't
> appear to be able to teach "reasonable force"
The main reason I keep my MA skills from dulling completely is so I
won't have a chance to use them. one is much less likely to end up in
a fight with anyone but a completely unskilled opponent if one is
balanced and composed. I once didn't end up in a fight with three
chaps in the Stockholm tube that way.
//Ingvar
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Gideon Hallett
news:20030808082700...@mb-m11.aol.com:
> Leo Breebaart wrote
>
> [Comments from Gary N.]
<restoring complete quote for context>
>>I am sorry too, but I stopped taking your apologies for your
>>bad-tempered behaviour on the newsgroup seriously after the
>>second or third time you made them in similar situations.
>>If you're knackered or drunk or hungover or disturbed by your
>>lovelife or whatever, then please try to have the
>>self-restraint to not take your troubles out on us in the
>>first place.
>
> Couldn't that have been better said by e-mail?
I don't think so. It could have been said by email. But the point
being made is not that person A has a problem with person B's
behaviour; rather that person A is of the considered opinion that
person B's behaviour is detrimental to the group as a whole; and
that person B has done it before on more than one occasion.
I don't think there are any people here who don't give others
some leeway on the group. However, if a person does something
rude or disruptive on a repetitive basis, then the group's
tolerance tends to wear thin fairly quickly.
Additionally, apologising for behaviour *whilst committing it* is
simply fraudulent (as Dante comments in L'inferno). If something
you do causes you to be ashamed of your behaviour, then you
apologise. If you know that your behaviour will warrant an
apology *before* the act, then you know that you're about to
misbehave; committing the act regardless nullifies any pre-
emptive apology you might make.
Gideon.
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David Chapman
> David Chapman wrote
>
>> The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Gary Nicholass will say:
>
>>> Cybercat wrote:
>
>>>> No, because he's not trying to force anybody to do this.
>
>>> You've either snipped too
>>> much by accident or you have no real point.
>
>> No, she quoted exactly the right amount.
>
> I've met Cybercat, and he's a *he*. (And a very nice chap too...)
I haven't met Cybercat, and was going on the basis that Cat nicknames are
usually feminine. (That said, I've seen a picture of Wibble in the
#AFP-Files and mistook him for a woman.)
CCA
>The Department of Pre-Crime reports that CCA will say:
[David mistaking Cybercat for female]
>> I've met Cybercat, and he's a *he*. (And a very nice chap too...)
>I haven't met Cybercat, and was going on the basis that Cat nicknames are
>usually feminine.
My Jazz-Loving-Soulmate Stainless Steel Cat is a man, too. But I take your
point, there's Graycat and Lonecat.
I must admit that until I heard Mad Dragon's first name, I thought she was a
he, purely because the other two Dragons are guys.
Eric Jarvis
no...I think Leo had things to say that are generally
applicable to all of us and as a post to the group it's a
pointer to the way we should all behave...directly only
to Gary would be inappropriate and incorrectly imply that
the problem is the person not the behaviour
Eric Jarvis
the first self defence session was as a response to an
incident where are friend and I were jumped from behind
and beaten up (in his case quite badly) [1]...fortunately
the bulk of the pack from the college rugby team weren't
all that far away...but I had a lesson in how to look
after myself a little better
so, when a few years later I had a knife held to my
throat...I had the confidence to talk (and sing) my way
out of it whilst thinking the whole time "move that knife
six inches and I know how to injure you severely"
[1] after a party at Imperial and by a group of students
from Oxford as it turned out when we traced them
Sanity
<ga...@ciderspace.org.uk> wrote in article
<3f3329da$1...@metisse.ciderspace.local>:
> Quote enough for reference or fuck off. You've either snipped too much by
> accident or you have no
Oh dear...this will mean a thread of several thousand posts when I get
back...
TTFN,
Michel AKA Sanity
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Leo Breebaart
Your response astonishes me.
Gary says "fuck off" and is generally insulting to somebody who was
trying to have a perfectly civil discussion with him, and you remain
silent.
I criticise Gary in turn, without a word of profanity or insult, just
the bit of sarcasm (merely riffing off his own hypocritical apology)
that you quote above and for that *I* rate a public knuckle-rapping?
Tell me: how exactly do *you* decide when you should mail someone or
when you should post publicly?
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Max
"David Chapman" <nos...@nospam.gro> wrote in message
news:3f317e94$0$11384$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com...
| OK, here's the scoop. It has been suggested on #AFP - initially by me,
but
| the idea has found root in the perverte^Wfertile imaginations of others -
| that an AFP Scantily (Yet Decently) Clad Women Calendar be assembled for
the
| Convention. As one #AFPer put it, "if the WI can do it..."
|
| So - whaddayathink?
|
| --
| I believe in animal testing.
| <thud>
| <squawk!>
| That's a bird.
|
There's been some fighting on this topic, but i am here to present myself as
a model. I am a reasonably good-looking (so i'm told) male but young enough
that possesion of a picture of me scantily-clad may be illegal. However, I
am prepared to dress pretty much anyhow as long as nothing between my hips
and halfway down my thighs is visible.
--Max
Barry R
w...@ericjarvis.co.uk says...
>Barry R in Random's Ptraci costume
You, Mr Jarvis, will die horribly. :)
Barry 'Not in Random's Costume' R
Bjorn Bjornsson
>She's one of my closest friends. You expect me to be reasonable?
Yes. Be reasonable or do not post
>I'm scared shitless for her and I can't do *anything* except be here
The wife of one of my best friends died this week aged thirty.
They have two children aged 4 and 6. This does not give me
a reason to show the kind of behaviour you do. A non- realtime
text medioum like a.f.p. always gives you time to pause before
hitting send. Use that time.
Bjorn
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Sanity
<ga...@ciderspace.org.uk> wrote in article
<3f3433d4$1...@metisse.ciderspace.local>:
> Maybe I expressed myself badly, or maybe those who took it the wrong way are
> a bunch of anally retentive fuckwits.
Thanks.
> It was a *joke* FFS.
Then remember to tag it [J].
TTFN,
Michel "Bloody serious" Sanity
Leo Breebaart
> Maybe I expressed myself badly, or maybe those who took it the wrong way are
> a bunch of anally retentive fuckwits. It was a *joke* FFS.
>
> Do you remember lighthearted humour?
>
> You should all get out more.
>
> Out of the atmosphere would be favourite.
Nope, not insulting at all, no sir, what *was* I thinking! Silly me.
--
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Leo Breebaart
> I would ask you to provide evidence of my insulting people?
I would not be able to provide that evidence because you thoughtfully
X-No-Archive all your articles, so Google Groups doesn't store them?
Or do I have your permission to quote from my personal afp archives?
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Terry Pratchett
<brierley...@aol.com> writes
>
>Not to mention the fact that the whole nude calendar schtick has been done
>to death by every 'good cause' going in the last few years. Novelty value
>zero. Sales value ditto. The 'scenes from DW' idea has potential though,
>IMO; um ... can I be Rincewind? Look, I've got the beard and everything ....
>
Let's assume that you were aiming this, then, at the wider DW fandom,
like the current calendars. How would you (or the editor of the thing)
select the 'actors'?
An easy way would be to start with the CC/DWcon masquerades -- they've
produced five or six people who, by general acclaim, look so much like
the characters they've portrayed that its hard to imagine an improvement
(Pam Gower as Granny, for example.)
The trouble is, that would cause...trouble. People who can't
afford/travel to these events would complain. But you can't hold
auditions all over the country. Do you say: send us a pic of you as
the character you want to be, and the judges decision is final?
A nice touch would be to take of the main photo's *as* group photos --
the witches (at least eight, if you included WFM and the now-finished
sequel), the UU faculty, the City Watch, the Gods, the Assassins
Guild... But that means getting maybe a dozen people from all over the
UK in one suitable location somewhere in the country on one day, in
costumes. And doing it twelve times.
Personally, I love the idea, but the logistics and, to some extent, the
politics would be tricky.
--
Terry Pratchett
Eric Jarvis
> Eric Jarvis <w...@ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > no...I think Leo had things to say that are generally
> > applicable to all of us and as a post to the group it's a
> > pointer to the way we should all behave...directly only
> > to Gary would be inappropriate and incorrectly imply that
> > the problem is the person not the behaviour
>
> with my own posting.
> I'm a bad tempered sod and sometimes I'm bad company<shrug> I do my best.#
>
so am I...there are times and places for venting ones
spleen...and there are ways in which it is and isn't
acceptable
on afp it is ONLY acceptable if the anger is aimed
externally and accurately...we all love a good rant at a
deserving target...but it's never acceptable on afp to
allow ones anger at something else to be sublimated by
attacking another afper...of course it happens now and
again, but it is always wrong
Eric Jarvis
can we take that as a "yes"? :)
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CCA
>(CCA) writes:
I'm sure I don't know, but now I regret having commented on the whole utterly
stupid business in the first place. Next time I'll keep my bl**dy mouth shut.
I wasn't in any way knuckle-rapping you. it was a suggestion, nothing more.
And now I'm going to run away and hide. 'Scuse me...
<runs away>
CCA
CCA
>At the moment K is pregnant. The placenta has partially detached from the
>uterus wall and is now partially reattached. She's been in and out of
>hospital for the last week.
Blimey...
<<HUG>>
Okay, probably not much help, but there you go.
BTW, my ill-judged comment above was aimed at Leo and not you. And *his*
response has only affirmed my previous policy of staying well out of threads
that even look like they might turn a bit 'challenging'
FWIW I mistakenly thought Leo was aiming his comments at you rather than at the
group as a whole.
CCA
Peter Ellis
>>[Leo]
>>> I criticise Gary in turn, without a word of profanity or insult, just
>>> the bit of sarcasm (merely riffing off his own hypocritical apology)
>>> that you quote above and for that *I* rate a public knuckle-rapping?
>
>You may not have used profanity but the post was insulting.
"How rude of you to tell me I'm being rude!"
Jeez, even my 4-y-o has better logic than that one. Can't we all chill
a bit?
>
>Don't do that. Leo isn't God and his opinion is no more important than
>yours.
This is of course true. However *I* certainly think his words carry
quite a deal of weight, since I respect him a lot and have never known
him to be unnecessarily rude, unlike many.
If he said "Jump!", I might not ask how high, but I'd certainly think
long and hard about the merits of becoming airborne.
Peter
Diane L.
<snip>
> My life has been, and continues to be, very complicated,
> sometimes it spills over. I'm also trying to help others to
> get their shit together. Sometimes that gets to be hard
> work and I need to shout.
Shout out of the window. Shout at the TV. Shout at the cat,
if you have one. Do not shout at living people who have the
misfortune to carch you at a bad moment.
> At the moment K is pregnant. The placenta has partially
> detached from the uterus wall and is now partially reattached.
> She's been in and out of hospital for the last week.
>
> She's one of my closest friends. You expect me to be
> reasonable?
That's really dreadful, but yes, you are expected to be reasonable.
If you don't feel able to post reasonably and politely, then
*don't post*. You're not obliged to respond. Write your response
when you're angry and read it again when you've calmed down
to decide whether you need to post it. This is a surprisingly
effective way of not posting stuff you'll later regret.
Diane L.
Lady Kayla
> Peter Ellis <pj...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
[..."Leo isn't god" *shock* really?! :)]
>> This is of course true. However *I* certainly think his words carry
>> quite a deal of weight, since I respect him a lot and have never known
>> him to be unnecessarily rude, unlike many.
Yes, respect, as earned. I also respect a number of posters here,
they have earned that respect over several years in most cases, one of
them is Leo, another is Peter :)
>> If he said "Jump!", I might not ask how high, but I'd certainly think
>> long and hard about the merits of becoming airborne.
Well, I'd probably ask "Why?" whilst making sure I wasn't going to
bang my head if I jumped.
> I have issues with *real* authority. The other kind just pisses me off,
> which is a *bad* thing.
What part of Peter's words above suggest that Leo has _any_ kind of
authority over AFP/denizens of AFP? Having respect for someone does
not confer any degree of authority on that person.
If you are getting so stressed and pissed off, take a break. Walk
away. For a day, a weekend, a week, or longer. AFP'll still be here
when you're ready to come back. I do it all the time. "Gods this
group is pissing me off big time right now." Unsubscribe and do a
"catch-up" when I feel ready to return in a better mood.
--
Lady Kayla http://designs.ladykayla.org/
"It's so refreshing to have a genre bookshop back in a traditional
location, among the porno shops and tattoo parlours." Terry Pratchett
in AFP.
Alec Cawley
I agree that if it is to be done, it must be done well. And if it is to be
done well, it will take a lot of organising and, from somebody, time. Which
makes it, I think, a bit too heavyweight a project for a limited
circulation calendar, which has a aales window of about six months and a
lifetime of about 15 months.
--
@lec Šawley
Knig fo teh tyops
Peter Ellis
>Terry Pratchett wrote:
>>
>> A nice touch would be to take of the main photo's *as* group photos --
>> the witches (at least eight, if you included WFM and the now-finished
>> sequel), the UU faculty, the City Watch, the Gods, the Assassins
>> Guild... But that means getting maybe a dozen people from all over the
>> UK in one suitable location somewhere in the country on one day, in
>> costumes. And doing it twelve times.
>>
>> Personally, I love the idea, but the logistics and, to some extent, the
>> politics would be tricky.
Perhaps a simple / simplistic idea would be to award every alternate
month on "merit" - I.e. contact the winners of the Maskerade for the
last 3 cons and the last 3 CCDEs, moving to second placed contenders if
they're not available, or similar.
Then, fill in the others as larger groups - a Feegle horde, Mrs Palm
and her household, complete City Watch, book cover recreations etc;
which could involve more people, perhaps with one or two "co-
ordinators" per group. It should of course involve more than just afp
- the Con mailing lists for this and past years would be a good place
to start to attract volunteers, I guess, likewise the various fan
websites (including of course lspace.org....
I don't think there's any way the groups could end up less than almost
totally UK-centric, given the nature of the fanbase, though I'm willing
to be proved wrong.
>
>I agree that if it is to be done, it must be done well. And if it is to be
>done well, it will take a lot of organising and, from somebody, time. Which
>makes it, I think, a bit too heavyweight a project for a limited
>circulation calendar, which has a aales window of about six months and a
>lifetime of about 15 months.
Surely that criticism applies to every calendar ever made? And they
seem to sell well year after year...
Personally, given the huge degree of time and effort people put in at
the maskerades year after year, I think there'd even be enough
enthusiasm to do costume calendars as an annual or biennial thing.
Looks like an opportunity for some enthusiastic entrepreneur to me, or
perhaps an idea for Clarecraft or Briggsy to run with.
Peter
Mary Messall
> Personally, given the huge degree of time and effort people put in at
> the maskerades year after year, I think there'd even be enough
> enthusiasm to do costume calendars as an annual or biennial thing.
> Looks like an opportunity for some enthusiastic entrepreneur to me, or
> perhaps an idea for Clarecraft or Briggsy to run with.
Erm... Why not just take the pictures *at* the Con, or CCDE? Y'know,
when people are gathering together and putting on costumes anyway? And
let attendees put their names down or buy them in advance, then ship
them out after they're done? Ready made market of people who know the
folks in the pictures and want a souvenier of their weekend, and you
can estimate the demand before you make a big investment -- or even
collect the money before you spend much of anything (though you'd have
to risk sending refunds if something didn't work out, done that way.)
I'm pretty indifferent about the whole idea, and far enough away that
there's no way I'd be participating in it. But I keep reading this
thread and thinking, why make it harder than it has to be, if it's just
for fun?
-Mary
Peter Ellis
>Peter Ellis wrote:
>> Personally, given the huge degree of time and effort people put in at
>> the maskerades year after year, I think there'd even be enough
>> enthusiasm to do costume calendars as an annual or biennial thing.
>> Looks like an opportunity for some enthusiastic entrepreneur to me, or
>> perhaps an idea for Clarecraft or Briggsy to run with.
>
>Erm... Why not just take the pictures *at* the Con, or CCDE? Y'know,
>when people are gathering together and putting on costumes anyway? And
>let attendees put their names down or buy them in advance, then ship
>them out after they're done?
For a fan calendar, sure. For a commercial calendar you're going to
sell, not a chance. You'll want pro photographers and suitable
backdrops, at the least.
>
>Ready made market of people who know the
>folks in the pictures and want a souvenier of their weekend, and you
>can estimate the demand before you make a big investment --
Yes, but something that ad-hoc and (sorry to say) nonprofessional
instantly restricts your market to Those Who Were There And Their
Friends, and a small subset of those at that. Your general Discworld
fan public is *not* going to be interested in a photo of an unknown
trifle with the side of a barn as a backdrop in the same way they might
be interested in a Discworld Costume calendar that covers the best few
costumes of the last few years and pulls off a few clever stunts like
recreating the cover of Night Watch (or whatever). Given that, I don't
know if your version would have enough of a market to cover costs of
printing and distribution, but it might be possible.
The larger, better-planned and better-funded effort has a *much* better
chance of producing something IMO.
Compare the sales of the DVD of the last Convention, which IIRC
includes a full film of the Maskerade (not more than a few hundred
sold, I'd wager) with the sales of the annually-produced illustrated
Discworld Calendars.
>
>or even
>collect the money before you spend much of anything (though you'd have
>to risk sending refunds if something didn't work out, done that way.)
This way lies Politics and the chance of extreme nastiness - I wouldn't
touch it with a bargepole. Seriously, money in advance for a product
you haven't started to make yet? Run screaming, don't look back.
>
>I'm pretty indifferent about the whole idea, and far enough away that
>there's no way I'd be participating in it. But I keep reading this
>thread and thinking, why make it harder than it has to be, if it's just
>for fun?
At that level of "just for fun", you might as well Blu-Tac your
favourite Con snapshots to the pages of a blank calendar. I thought
the idea was to produce a marketable product to raise money for
charity.
Peter
Graycat
wrote:
>Richard Bos wrote:
>> Or even Orjan and Marco as Westala and Villtin.
>>
>
>or cross dressing as Villtin and Westala
lol
--
Elin
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://www.student.lu.se/~his02ero/index.html
From adress valid, but rarely checked. Use Reply-To to contact me
Graycat
<tprat...@unseen.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>The trouble is, that would cause...trouble. People who can't
>afford/travel to these events would complain. But you can't hold
>auditions all over the country. Do you say: send us a pic of you as
>the character you want to be, and the judges decision is final?
>
>A nice touch would be to take of the main photo's *as* group photos --
>the witches (at least eight, if you included WFM and the now-finished
>sequel), the UU faculty, the City Watch, the Gods, the Assassins
>Guild... But that means getting maybe a dozen people from all over the
>UK in one suitable location somewhere in the country on one day, in
>costumes. And doing it twelve times.
>
>Personally, I love the idea, but the logistics and, to some extent, the
>politics would be tricky.
Also love the idea, but quite bummed to be living etirely in the wrong
country it seems... Yes, there are plenty of Swedish afpers, but do
they live here? No. Are there any events here? No. Signings? Meets?
..let alone photoshoots...
Steve James
This is becoming like an episode of Friends - except you know they will be
around next episode because their contract says they will be there. [1]
Steve (Steeljam) *BF DAcFD (UU) *
Resident Opsimath in Redivivus Studies
[1] I would be interested how the writers would handle a whole episode where
only two of the characters appeared, or even just one.
Steve James
> CCA <sphi...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Leo Breebaart wrote
> >
> > [Comments from Gary N.]
> >
> >> If you're knackered or drunk or hungover or disturbed by your
> >> lovelife or whatever, then please try to have the self-restraint to
> >> not take your troubles out on us in the first place.
>
> Cybercat quoted me OOC which I don't like.
>
> > Couldn't that have been better said by e-mail?
> No.
> It had to be said in public if I am to continue to be a part of this ng.
> My life has been, and continues to be, very complicated, sometimes it spills
> over. I'm also trying to help others to get their shit together. Sometimes
> that gets to be hard work and I need to shout.
> At the moment K is pregnant. The placenta has partially detached from the
> uterus wall and is now partially reattached. She's been in and out of
> hospital for the last week.
> She's one of my closest friends. You expect me to be reasonable?
> I'm scared shitless for her and I can't do *anything* except be here
>
Seeing as I have been unemployed since last November and in that time have have
just one interview after hundreds of applications and only yesterday I was told my
experience was too good for the job I would have loved to do - I think I have the right
to have a go at everyone, including you, but I don't. I have my problems, you have
yours and this Newsgroup is about Terry Pratchett and associated issues.
If you want to vent your rage and frustration find a religion or a support group who
are interested in your problems, I am far too busy with mine.