-[I]- Free virus scanner & firewall
Brian Wakeling
cancel my virgin.net broadband account (can't have two broadband
accounts on the same phone line, y'know). Anyway, as I was using the
free virus scanner and firewall provided by virgin.net, since my
account has just dropped dead, I now cannot use it.
So, can anyone recommend a decent free virus scanner and firewall
(suitable for WinXP) that I can download?
Thanks!
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Elliott Grasett
Do you have access to AVG Free Edition? Works for me,
but I'm on the left side of the pond. But then,
does geography matter in a netted world?
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Nigel Stapley
> Having moved from London back in with my mum in Yorkshire, I've had to
> cancel my virgin.net broadband account (can't have two broadband
> accounts on the same phone line, y'know). Anyway, as I was using the
> free virus scanner and firewall provided by virgin.net, since my
> account has just dropped dead, I now cannot use it.
>
> So, can anyone recommend a decent free virus scanner and firewall
> (suitable for WinXP) that I can download?
>
> Thanks!
For AV, try Avast! (www.avast.com). Been using it for 5+ years without
problems on either 98SE or XP.
Do you connect via a DSL modem or a router? If the latter, then the
right router settings should see you right.
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Andrew Nevill
<bpwak...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>So, can anyone recommend a decent free virus scanner and firewall
>(suitable for WinXP) that I can download?
>
I use Zone Alarm for my firewall and Avast for A. I've used them for
the last 3 or so years without any problems so would recommend them.
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Keith Willshaw
"Brian Wakeling" <bpwak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Having moved from London back in with my mum in Yorkshire, I've had to
> cancel my virgin.net broadband account (can't have two broadband
> accounts on the same phone line, y'know). Anyway, as I was using the
> free virus scanner and firewall provided by virgin.net, since my
> account has just dropped dead, I now cannot use it.
>
> So, can anyone recommend a decent free virus scanner and firewall
> (suitable for WinXP) that I can download?
>
> Thanks!
Win XP has its own firewall although I have a hardware firewall as well
and AVG Free is quite decent.
Keith
Reader in Invisible Writings
that is entirely a good thing, but as I use the free version I have to
accept what is given.
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That's been my combination for quite a few years now. I'm quite happy
with both.
Aggie
Puck
> For AV, try Avast! (www.avast.com). Been using it for 5+ years without
> problems on either 98SE or XP.
That's what I use, and I have no complaints. For Firewall I have PC
Tools Firewall Plus, and that likewise has never let me down. Both
programs are free.
Of course my other machine runs Linux, and laughs in the face of all
Windows solutions like the third pig within his house of bricks.
CCA
> Of course my other machine runs Linux, and laughs in the face of all
> Windows solutions like the third pig within his house of bricks.
Till the wolf bought a JCB...
CCA
Puck
>> Of course my other machine runs Linux, and laughs in the face of all
>> Windows solutions like the third pig within his house of bricks.
>
> Till the wolf bought a JCB...
Now we're in Roadrunner cartoon territory and forced to ponder why, if
the wolf can afford one of those, he can't acquire a good meal without a
great deal of huffing and puffing.
When I was a kid I had a theory that the coyote didn't want to eat the
roadrunner at all, just get him to shut the hell up. They were the only
two living things (other than the occasional timely truck or train which
presumably had a driver) in a vast expanse of smoldering desert with a
road running through it.
After a while you'd begin to go completely mad in such an environment,
and having some skinny chicken with a mohawk and a PCP habit repeatedly
sneak up behind you, yell "MEEP MEEP", stick his tongue out at you, and
then speed off wouldn't help a bit.
Sooner or later you too would think it a grand idea to strap on some
rocket powered roller skates, put nitro into trays of "Free Bird Seed",
and paint tunnels onto cliff sides. The coyote could get food if he
wanted it (or vast quantities of bird seed anyway), but what he craved
was peace and quiet. He apparently had unlimited credit with the Acme
corporation, which I guess offers "Next Scene Delivery".
Hmmm, here's a question. If the coyote really wanted to catch the bird,
why not hire the delivery guy who keeps him in crates of lethal goodies?
If the cartoons are any indication, he must move at the speed of light,
and have an incredible carrying capacity.
Or...what if the goods were delivered by the roadrunner himself?! He's
the only one fast enough to pull it off! That could be why the products
never worked properly, they had been tampered with as part of the
roadrunner's sick and twisted game. He sadistically tortures poor Wile
E., and then moonlights as a delivery bird (incognito, of course) to
deprive him of any chance of justice, instead causing him to repeatedly
suffer physical harm to compliment the psychological torment he already
suffers from. The coyote is nothing but a pawn in the roadrunner's cruel
cycle of torture.
It's a surreal tragedy torn right from the works of Kafka, Cronenberg
and Lynch! The normal rules of predator/prey relationships are turned
upside-down as the coyote, fueled by an obsession that blinds him to the
futility of his actions, is so lost to the insanity brought on by the
desert heat and the hated fowl that he must forever engage in a
Sisyphusian cycle of pursuit and pain, repeating ad infinitum. Chuck
Jones has truly given us much to ponder.
Or perhaps I should lie down. And stop visiting newsgroups when I am
about 36 behind on my sleep.
Sabremeister Brian
811d7be4-0f82-4344...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com,
Brian Wakeling <bpwak...@hotmail.com> said:
> Having moved from London back in with my mum in Yorkshire, I've
> had to cancel my virgin.net broadband account (can't have two
> broadband accounts on the same phone line, y'know). Anyway, as
> I was using the free virus scanner and firewall provided by
> virgin.net, since my account has just dropped dead, I now
> cannot use it.
>
> So, can anyone recommend a decent free virus scanner and
> firewall (suitable for WinXP) that I can download?
>
> Thanks!
Thanks all, I've d/l'd Avast and Zone Alarm - avast is doing fine,
ZA is going to have to wait until I've got broadband access again.
So, my mum got a wireless router (an MSI RG54SE II). Just after
lunch we got all the equipment assembled in the living room, and
set it up. It worked fine on her desktop PC running WinXP with no
wireless card and a Speedtouch ADSL modem connecting to virgin
internet.
Then we tried to set it up on my laptop, also running WinXP, but
with a wireless card, and until last week an identical ADSL modem
connecting me to virgin internet. Apparently, it worked - with the
LAN cables in to set it up, anyway.
Take the LAN cables out and let my laptop search for the wifi
network. No sign of it. Make sure everything's on, yes, ring up
the shop where we got the router, they don't know what could be
wrong, so I take the laptop down there, they take a lok, it should
be working fine. So I go home and try again, search for wireless
networks - success! Great!
So why can't I access the internet?
In the back of mum's PC: 1 USB connecting to an ADSL modem,
connected to a filter, connected to the phone line; 1 LAN cable
connecting to the router.
In the back of the router: 1 LAN cable connecting to mum's PC; 1
power cable
My laptop: Wireless network detected, connected and all LAN
devices enabled - not a sausage. Not even when I connect my laptop
to the router with another LAN cable. I tried all possible
combinations of plugging the modem into the router, PC, filter and
phone line (and I would have had more combinations to try if the
router had a USB socket, but it doesn't). I disabled the Windows
Firewall and tried again, still no connection to the internet. I
got my (now spare) ADSL modem and tried fitting that in to the
system, but without a USB port on the router, there wasn't much it
could do.
I'm back upstairs on dialup now, having given up on the bloody
router for the time being. I will be wanting - nay, needing -
broadband internet in the near future, so can anyone suggest
anything to help?
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SteveD
<bpwak...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>In the back of mum's PC: 1 USB connecting to an ADSL modem,
I can see a number of potential issues here.
Firstly: There's a nondedicated PC acting as the internet gateway. Is it
set up to share internet access?
Secondly: USB and ADSL - never a recommended combination.
You might want to look into having the router connected directly to the
ADSL kit. That way you don't need to have the PC switched on for the lappy
to access the net, much less worry about setting it up for internet
sharing, and the lappy and PC can both connect to the router instead of
having one plugged into the ADSL unit.
Make sure all the kit including the computers is on the same subnet, check
your gateway and DNS IPs, reboot both PCs, and if you're still not getting
internet on the laptop, Repair the wireless connection *even if it looks
like it's working*.
If still no luck, attempt to ping the numeric IPs of everything else in
the house and see how far you get. If this works, ping the numeric IP of
your ISP's main website or anything else that's theirs and public. This
should provide enough information to work out what to do next.
-SteveD
Reader in Invisible Writings
wait... I'm sure I have seen him driving a truck, or was it a train...
>to
> deprive him of any chance of justice, instead causing him to repeatedly
> suffer physical harm to compliment the psychological torment he already
> suffers from. The coyote is nothing but a pawn in the roadrunner's cruel
> cycle of torture.
>
> It's a surreal tragedy torn right from the works of Kafka, Cronenberg
> and Lynch! The normal rules of predator/prey relationships are turned
> upside-down as the coyote, fueled by an obsession that blinds him to the
> futility of his actions, is so lost to the insanity brought on by the
> desert heat and the hated fowl that he must forever engage in a
> Sisyphusian cycle of pursuit and pain, repeating ad infinitum. Chuck
> Jones has truly given us much to ponder.
>
> Or perhaps I should lie down. And stop visiting newsgroups when I am
> about 36 behind on my sleep.
Esmeraldus
> CCA wrote:
>>> Of course my other machine runs Linux, and laughs in the face of all
>>> Windows solutions like the third pig within his house of bricks.
>>
>> Till the wolf bought a JCB...
>
> Now we're in Roadrunner cartoon territory and forced to ponder why, if
> the wolf can afford one of those, he can't acquire a good meal
> without a great deal of huffing and puffing.
> It's a surreal tragedy torn right from the works of Kafka, Cronenberg
> and Lynch! The normal rules of predator/prey relationships are turned
> upside-down as the coyote, fueled by an obsession that blinds him to
That...really *works* for me...
Sabremeister Brian
SteveD <use...@vo.id.au> said:
> On Wed, 7 May 2008 17:30:34 +0100, "Sabremeister Brian"
> <bpwak...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In the back of mum's PC: 1 USB connecting to an ADSL modem,
>
> I can see a number of potential issues here.
>
> Firstly: There's a nondedicated PC acting as the internet
> gateway. Is it set up to share internet access?
The default internet connection is labeled as "shared", so
probably yes.
> Secondly: USB and ADSL - never a recommended combination.
>
> You might want to look into having the router connected
> directly to the ADSL kit. That way you don't need to have the
> PC switched on for the lappy to access the net, much less worry
> about setting it up for internet sharing, and the lappy and PC
> can both connect to the router instead of having one plugged
> into the ADSL unit.
So ADSL modem direct from filter to router (ignoring the USB
cable), desktop w/o wireless card connecting by LAN cable, laptop
connecting by wireless, yes?
> Make sure all the kit including the computers is on the same
> subnet, check your gateway and DNS IPs, reboot both PCs, and if
> you're still not getting internet on the laptop, Repair the
> wireless connection *even if it looks like it's working*.
>
> If still no luck, attempt to ping the numeric IPs of everything
> else in the house and see how far you get. If this works, ping
> the numeric IP of your ISP's main website or anything else
> that's theirs and public. This should provide enough
> information to work out what to do next.
I may have tried some of that earlier today. Anyway, will have
another go now.
Thanks.
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>
> So why can't I access the internet?
>
> In the back of mum's PC: 1 USB connecting to an ADSL modem,
USB? USB is only meant for connecting a single computer, and not connect to
a router. See below.
> connected to a filter, connected to the phone line; 1 LAN cable
> connecting to the router.
Not related to your problem, but *a* problem nevertheless:
ASDL filters should be connected to all phone outlets in the house used for
a phone, *but not* the connection to the ADSL modem itself. Unless this is
a splitter with a built-in filter on one of the ports, and you connect it
through the unfiltered port -- in which case it does the same thing as
plugging the ADSL modem straight into the wall jack: absolutely nothing.
However, this is not the source of your WiFi connection problems, but may
very well be cause of inexplicable outages and slowdowns.
> In the back of the router: 1 LAN cable connecting to mum's PC;
If the ADSL modem is connected to the router with an ethernet cable, there
should be NO USB connection from the modem to anywhere else. This could
very well be the source of your problems -- the ADSL modem will provide a
connection over the USB port, so it disables the ethernet port in order to
avoid loops.
> 1 power cable
> My laptop: Wireless network detected, connected and all LAN
> devices enabled - not a sausage. Not even when I connect my laptop
> to the router with another LAN cable. I tried all possible
> combinations of plugging the modem into the router, PC, filter and
> phone line (and I would have had more combinations to try if the
> router had a USB socket, but it doesn't). I disabled the Windows
> Firewall and tried again, still no connection to the internet. I
> got my (now spare) ADSL modem and tried fitting that in to the
> system, but without a USB port on the router, there wasn't much it
> could do.
First of all, this problem is almost certainly due to either (a) the
connection being bound to the MAC address of your old setup, and when
bringing in the new equipment, you need to let the ADSL provider know the
new mac address and authorize it, or (b) the USB connection disabling the
ethernet connection to avoid routing loops, or (c) a combination of both (a)
and (b), where the pseudo-MAC address of the USB connection is what the ADSL
modem uses to authorize, and thus ethernet won't work.
Here are the steps I recommend:
Write down the MAC address of the router -- it will be printed on a sticker,
and will look like a sequence of hex digits separated by colons, like
00:01:23:45:67:89.
Then make sure you have hooked everything up correctly:
Unplug the USB from the ADSL modem and the PC it's plugged in to.
Unplug the power cable from the ADSL modem, wait 10 seconds, and plug it
back in.
A diagram for a typical 4-port home wifi-router:
[Wall jack] <-{phonewire}-> [ADSL modem] <-{ethernet}-> [WAN port on router]
[LAN port on router] <-{ethernet}-> [Computers 1-4]
[Antenna on router] <-{WiFi}-> [Computers 5-126]
Make sure that the ethernet cable between the ADSL modem and router is
plugged into the port marked WAN, and not one of the ports marked LAN.
Then, connect one computer to a LAN port over ethernet, and verify that you
can reach the set-up screen (usually through a web interface at
http://192.168.0.1/ or a similar address -- the manual should tell you).
At the set-up screen, there may be an option for setting the MAC address.
If there is, you can set it to what the old router had, and you should be
good to go. However, for most routers, this is not an option. Check
whether the status/log/main page lists you as connected, and lists the name
servers the connection uses. If it lists as connected, skip the next
section:
[If not connected]
Check that any login information you may need is entered correctly in the
router setup. Most ADSL users will be on PPPoE, which requires a user name
and password. If it still won't connect, call your ADSL provider, and tell
them that you have replaced a router, and may need the new MAC address
authorized. Tell them that you are NOT using USB between the modem and
computers, but ethernet to a router. It may take 15 minutes or more for
your ISP to push this change.
On the computer hooked up through ethernet, either reboot it or open a CMD
prompt and enter "ipconfig /release" followed by "ipconfig /renew".
[Now connected]
By now, you should be connected through a computer hooked up through
ethernet to one of the LAN ports. Try accessing www.google.com to verify.
Now you need to get the wireless part working. First of all, check with the
same computer that you intend to use for wireless that you can hook it up
through an ethernet cable, and internet then works. Once this works, unplug
it from ethernet, and reboot (or disable/enable wifi) and scan for networks.
Unless you have hidden the network in the router set-up, it should show up.
If you did hide the network, you may have to manually enter the SSID in
order to connect.
Keep in mind that if you use a password for access, unless it is a hex
string, it will be case sensitive, so "lagerstoutale" isn't the same as
"LagerStoutAle".
Still having problems? Well, that's why you pay us the big support fees!
> I'm back upstairs on dialup now, having given up on the bloody
> router for the time being. I will be wanting - nay, needing -
> broadband internet in the near future, so can anyone suggest
> anything to help?
Summary:
1: Zonk USB connection
2: Verify that you can connect over ethernet without USB hooked up, else
call provider and explain that you need it hooked up without the USB
connection.
3: Get WiFi running
Regards,
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> It's a surreal tragedy torn right from the works of Kafka, Cronenberg and
> Lynch! The normal rules of predator/prey relationships are turned upside-down
> as the coyote, fueled by an obsession that blinds him to the futility of his
> actions, is so lost to the insanity brought on by the desert heat and the
> hated fowl that he must forever engage in a Sisyphusian cycle of pursuit and
> pain, repeating ad infinitum. Chuck Jones has truly given us much to ponder.
I've always thought Wile E. Coyote would make a good mascot for the anti-
gravity movement http://outerhoard.wordpress.com/2006/10/14/anti-gravity/
because gravity often behaves very uncooperatively for him.
Adrian.
Sabremeister Brian
Didn't work. Not least because the ADSL modem only has a
detachable modem lead for plugging into the filter, and the fixed
USB cable. Much swearing and attempted jury-rigging happened, none
of which had any effect. :-(
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> the ADSL modem only has a detachable modem lead for plugging into the
> filter, and the fixed USB cable. Much swearing and attempted
> jury-rigging happened, none of which had any effect.
I'm struggling to visualise the set-up here. I get the impression that
you appear to be trying to connect a wireless ADSL modem/router and a
USB ADSL modem to the same phone line?
If so, no wonder it doesn't work...
Can you give the make/model number of the devices?
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Puck
> I've always thought Wile E. Coyote would make a good mascot for the anti-
> gravity movement http://outerhoard.wordpress.com/2006/10/14/anti-gravity/
> because gravity often behaves very uncooperatively for him.
It never seems to make him fall until he realizes that he should be
falling. What could be more cooperative than voluntary physics?
8'FED
That's not cooperating; that's taunting.
Adrian.
Puck
>> It never seems to make him fall until he realizes that he should be falling.
>> What could be more cooperative than voluntary physics?
>
> That's not cooperating; that's taunting.
So the fundamental forces of the universe are part of the roadrunner's
dastardly plot? Ingenious...
8'FED
> 8'FED wrote:
It's obvious that the laws of nature are on the roadrunner's side. I
have no doubt that one plus one would take it upon itself to
temporarily equal three if doing so would help the roadrunner to get
away.
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Brian Howlett <news-s...@brianhowlett.me.uk> said:
> On 8 May, Sabremeister Brian wrote:
>
>> the ADSL modem only has a detachable modem lead for plugging
>> into the filter, and the fixed USB cable. Much swearing and
>> attempted jury-rigging happened, none of which had any effect.
>
> I'm struggling to visualise the set-up here. I get the
> impression that you appear to be trying to connect a wireless
> ADSL modem/router and a USB ADSL modem to the same phone line?
>
> If so, no wonder it doesn't work...
>
> Can you give the make/model number of the devices?
Router is an MSI RG54SE II 54M Wireless Router. It has a modem
socket at the back labelled "WAN", and four network sockets
labelled 1-4. On the connection diagram in the installation guide,
the WAN socket should be connected to a something that hasn't been
drawn/photographed too clearly at that scale, labelled "XDSL,
Cable, Ethernet", which is in turn connected to a logo of a
computer on the periphery of a circle, labelled "ISP/Internet".
Modem is a Thompson SpeedTouch 330 USB ADSL Modem, the standard
modem you get with virgin broadband. It has a fixed USB cable that
goes to a handy computer, and a detchable modem cable that plugs
into a SpeedTouch ADSL Filter (it's got "DSL4132003 (NA30513)" on
the back next to the barcode and "Made in China"), which plugs
into the phone line.
When I took the laptop down to the shop yesterday, he confirmed we
needed the LAN cable from the desktop in the back of the router,
and the modem - apparently, how they all connected would be
obvious, but we spent hours on it with no success, and by the time
I gave up, it was past closing time.
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Brian Howlett
> Router is an MSI RG54SE II 54M Wireless Router. It has a modem socket
> at the back labelled "WAN", and four network sockets labelled 1-4. On
> the connection diagram in the installation guide, the WAN socket
> should be connected to a something that hasn't been drawn/photographed
> too clearly at that scale, labelled "XDSL, Cable, Ethernet", which is
> in turn connected to a logo of a computer on the periphery of a
> circle, labelled "ISP/Internet".
This is your problem - this device does not have a built-in ADSL modem
- it is designed to work with external cable or DSL modems, which
connect to the WAN port via ethernet. Your SpeedTouch modem does not
have the capability to connect to this device as it has no ethernet
connection.
You either need to replace the SpeedTouch with an ethernet enabled DSL
modem, like this one:
https://www.puzbie.com/sess/utn;jsessionid=154822d98bdda83/shopdata/0020_Wired+M
odem+=26amp=3Bslash=3B+Router+Combos/product_details.shopscript?article=0045_BT%
2BVoyager%2B210%2Bunlocked%2BADSL%2BADSL2%2BUSB%2BEthernet%2BModem%2BRouter%2B%3
D28refurb%3D29%2B%3D28210RU%3D29
or get a wireless router with a built-in DSL modem, like this one:
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/52244
If you bought the router from a shop then I suggest you return it for
replacement with something like the Netgear, or otherwise just replace
the SpeedTouch with something like the Voyager.
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> You either need to replace the SpeedTouch with an ethernet enabled DSL
> modem, like this one:
> https://www.puzbie.com/sess/utn;jsessionid=154822d98bdda83/shopdata/00
> 20_Wired+M
> odem+=26amp=3Bslash=3B+Router+Combos/product_details.shopscript?articl
> e=0045_BT%
> 2BVoyager%2B210%2Bunlocked%2BADSL%2BADSL2%2BUSB%2BEthernet%2BModem%2BR
> outer%2B%3
> D28refurb%3D29%2B%3D28210RU%3D29
Aaargh! What a mess...
Try this instead - http://preview.tinyurl.com/4dl79z
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Thanks. That makes a lot more sense than what my mum has been
insisting needs to happen (she bought the router), and what the
guy in the shop told her and me. I have to say it never crossed my
mind that the current setup would be incapable of what we're
asking of it.
I still say it would have been simpler to phone up BT and ask them
to install a second line though, despite the extra cost.
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I remember a Tiny Toons episode where Porky Pig actually dissected the
finer elements of this sort of cartoon physics by demonstrating that as
long as the character doesn't look down, he can walk on air for as long
as s/he wants. This ended up being used deliberately by the class later
in the episode to traverse a chasm of some sort.
Brian Howlett
> I still say it would have been simpler to phone up BT and ask them to
> install a second line though, despite the extra cost.
The cost of a 2nd BT line is unnecessary - the whole point of ADSL is
that it piggybacks on your existing telephone line. A residential 2nd
line costs GBP 124.99 to install, and GBP 11.75 per month line rental.
It's much cheaper to buy and install the additional ADSL modem - the
Voyager on the link I sent is only GBP 17.50, and is the ideal
replacement for the SpeedTouch.
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wrote:
>Puck wrote:
>> 8'FED wrote:
>>> Puck wrote:
>
>>>> It never seems to make him fall until he realizes that he should be falling.
>>>> What could be more cooperative than voluntary physics?
>>>
>>> That's not cooperating; that's taunting.
>>
>> So the fundamental forces of the universe are part of the roadrunner's
>> dastardly plot? Ingenious...
>
>It's obvious that the laws of nature are on the roadrunner's side. I
>have no doubt that one plus one would take it upon itself to
>temporarily equal three if doing so would help the roadrunner to get
>away.
I'm sure there's a proof somewhere that 1+1!=2 :)
Len Oil
> I'm sure there's a proof somewhere that 1+1!=2 :)
There's a 1=0 one (which you can easily find, if you look for it) that I
think goes by way of a hidden division-by-zero fallacy. It's a small
step (forward /or/ back) between that and (1+0)=(1+1) and thus (1+0)+1
!= merely (1+1).
Puck
> I remember a Tiny Toons episode where Porky Pig actually dissected
> the finer elements of this sort of cartoon physics by demonstrating that
> as long as the character doesn't look down, he can walk on air for as
> long as s/he wants. This ended up being used deliberately by the class
> later in the episode to traverse a chasm of some sort.
Yeah, I remember that one. It upset my little tyke mind because it was
/obvious/ to me that they were abusing the rules of their universe.
The entire point of the "no falling until you realize you should be
falling" area of cartoon physics is so the audience can witness the
panicked reaction of the character when they finally notice and begin to
plummet (possibly accompanied with a futile attempt to dash back to
solid ground, or a "why me?" look toward the audience).
Next thing you know they'll realize that anvils just squash you flat
without harming you, and will start using that as a technique to look
thinner.
However, as I've grown up I've developed a big appreciation for that
sort of meta-humor. Reminds me of that scene in Roger Rabbit when he
slips out of the handcuffs, and Eddie furiously demands to know whether
he could have done that at any time. "No, not at any time. Only when it
was funny."
Daniel Orner
Brings to mind the last act of Moving Pictures, to some extent. I also
highly recommend this webcomic: http://mixedmyth.comicgenesis.com/
Unfortunately it seems to be all wonky in my Firefox for some reason,
but IE works. It's a great story and other than some of the most
physically interesting protagonists I've yet seen[1] and a lot of
tongue-in-cheek banter, it also features the idea of "Cynematiks" as a
physical force in and of its own right. Very inventive. The art leaves
much to be desired, unfortunately, but the artist has improved immensely
since then.
[1] Hint: Sphinx.
ingenious paradox
wrote:
>
>I'm sure there's a proof somewhere that 1+1!=2 :)
Either - as Len suggests - there's a fallacy in it, or the definitions
of 1, 2, + or = or any combination have been stated to be something
other than those we normally understand.
1+1=2 practically by definition.
Julie
(it's 17 years since I did Number Theory, but I'm pretty certain about
this)
Lesley Weston
Isn't it the Baby Grumpling Effect? He was a toddler in a cartoon called
"Little Perishers", and might still be for all I know. He could do
things like riding his tricycle on the wall because he was too little to
understand that he couldn't.
--
Lesley Weston
The addy above is real, but I won't see anything posted to it for a long
time. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca, adjusting as necessary.
Nigel Stapley
> Isn't it the Baby Grumpling Effect? He was a toddler in a cartoon called
> "Little Perishers",
"The Perishers"
> and might still be for all I know.
Strip came to an end in 2006 after its author Maurice Dodd died.
http://www.theauthenticperishers.co.uk/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Perishers
--
Regards
Nigel Stapley
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Chris Zakes
Well... for certain values of 1, it may not. I don't know if you could
demonstrate that 1+1=0, but it's not hard to demonstrate that 1+1=3.
Consider the following: 1.3+1.3=2.6 . But if you round off each
element to the nearest whole number you get 1+1=3.
-Chris Zakes
Texas
"If I've reached the place where I'm a good influence on anybody, it's time I
cultivated some new vices."
-Oscar Jensen in "Space Cadet" by Robert Heinlein
Puck
> [1] Hint: Sphinx.
Gesundheit.
SteveD
<bpwak...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>In a speech called lqq324t6vh6nh7rse...@4ax.com,
>SteveD <use...@vo.id.au> said:
>> You might want to look into having the router connected
>> directly to the ADSL kit. That way you don't need to have the
>> PC switched on for the lappy to access the net, much less worry
>> about setting it up for internet sharing, and the lappy and PC
>> can both connect to the router instead of having one plugged
>> into the ADSL unit.
>
>So ADSL modem direct from filter to router (ignoring the USB
>cable), desktop w/o wireless card connecting by LAN cable, laptop
>connecting by wireless, yes?
Yup. Font-proportional bad ASCII line diagram as follows:
[phone jack]
|
[filter]
|
[ADSL modem]
|
[wireless router] ~~~~~ [laptop]
|
[PC]
This way, all the internet connection configuration is done on the ADSL
unit, which can then be treated as a kind of black-box internet device.
All the home network configuration is separate and done on the router. The
router is set up to pass all non-local traffic to the ADSL link, and there
you go.
I have a similar setup myself (with the addition of a dedicated gateway PC
between the modem and router), and find it a good way to keep the network
functions separate from the internet connection functions. This makes any
future troubleshooting or upgrading of parts much easier.
-SteveD
SteveD
The ADSL device doesn't have an RJ45 port _at all_? Yow. That's... kind of
creepy.
-SteveD
SteveD
<bpwak...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Router is an MSI RG54SE II 54M Wireless Router.
Although this doesn't have an onboard ADSL connection itself, it's
apparently quite a well-reviewed bit of kit. It does what it's supposed
to, and supports some more advanced stuff out of the box. When hooked up
to an ADSL box, it can do pretty much everything that's needed for a small
network.
>Modem is a Thompson SpeedTouch 330 USB ADSL Modem
Ouch. Seems to be famous for incompatibility and general annoyance. Not to
mention failing to have an Ethernet port, which is a red flag in my book.
And it's USB 1.1, sigh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpeedTouch_330
And, if anyone wants the specs, here -
I had to laugh at the ad line - "With the THOMSON ST330, surfing the
Internet becomes a whole new experience. Just plug your modem into the
USB-port and let the fun begin."
In other words, it seems that the ISP has found the cheapest possible
piece of crap to foist off on their unsuspecting customers. Practices like
this are part of what's led me to never use ISP-supplied equipment.
Summary: Keep the RG54SE, swap the 330 for something that isn't crud.
-SteveD
Richard Bos
> Brian Wakeling wrote:
> > Having moved from London back in with my mum in Yorkshire, I've had to
> > cancel my virgin.net broadband account (can't have two broadband
> > accounts on the same phone line, y'know). Anyway, as I was using the
> > free virus scanner and firewall provided by virgin.net, since my
> > account has just dropped dead, I now cannot use it.
> >
> > So, can anyone recommend a decent free virus scanner and firewall
> > (suitable for WinXP) that I can download?
>
> Do you have access to AVG Free Edition? Works for me,
> but I'm on the left side of the pond. But then,
> does geography matter in a netted world?
Even if it does, Grisoft is based in Brno, Czechia. The rest of Europe,
including the UK, is more likely to have access to AVG than the US.
Richard
ingenious paradox
wrote:
>Consider the following: 1.3+1.3=2.6 . But if you round off each
>element to the nearest whole number you get 1+1=3.
And *that's* the kind of thing I meant by "been defined as something
different". Normally = does not mean rounded up. You need the wiggly
lines to do that.
Julie
Sabremeister Brian
to her package so we could get the wireless router. After several
minutes of trying it and swearing at it for not working, it
decided to work, and I now have net access.
Thank you everyone for your help.
8'FED
> I now have working broadband internet - my mum got a free upgrade to her
> package so we could get the wireless router. After several minutes of trying
> it and swearing at it for not working, it decided to work, and I now have net
> access.
>
> Thank you everyone for your help.
Speaking of new things ... I got a new mobile phone yesterday, my
parents having been bugging me for ages that I should get one.
Have run into a dead end trying to install the software to allow the
phone to connect to the computer, but this is not something I need
to burden afp with, because come tomorrow I will go back to the shop
that serviced me and ask for further assistance there.
Adrian.
Julian Hall
Hi Adrian,
I would suggest one (or more if required)[1] of three solutions; in my
experience the software bundled with the phone, even from the same
manufacturer, is hit and miss as to whether it will work anyway. It's
possible you're doing nothing wrong and it just doesn't want to work.
1. Bluetooth USB Adaptor. Transfer your files on and off the phone that
way. If you have a laptop with Bluetooth capability already all you need
to do is match your phone to the laptop :)
2. USB SIM card reader. You can then take the SIM card out and back up
your address book etc.
3. USB card reader. You can then take the microSD card (if installed) out
of the phone and transfer files that way. That solution avoids the bullet
of draining the phone battery.
None of the three are very expensive options.
Kind regards,
Julian
[1] You only need option 2 if all you do is back up your address book.
8'FED
> I would suggest one (or more if required)[1] of three solutions; in my
> experience the software bundled with the phone, even from the same
> manufacturer, is hit and miss as to whether it will work anyway. It's
> possible you're doing nothing wrong and it just doesn't want to work.
I got it working eventually - the local shops gave me the assistance
I needed (the phone shop and the electronics shop between them), but
it took several trips.
For more details (including my wallpaper and ringtone choices) see my
latest blog post, which I just uploaded a second ago.