Total Recall
Tim Bruening
using jack hammers, but they don't appear to be wearing any ear
protectors!
Tim Bruening
oppressing the people of Mars by maintaining the Mars Authority's air
monopoly. When he gets to Mars, soldiers open fire on him, and bullets
break the windows, allowing the air to rush out until someone can push a
button to lower the shutters.
Why are the windows made of glass?
Why don't the shutters activate automatically when the air pressure
lowers?
Why does everything fall at Earth speeds when Mars' gravity is only 38%
as much?
Eventually, Douglas activates an alien device which generates a
breathable atmosphere on Mars.
Jon Schild
Tim Bruening wrote:
> Douglas Quaid fights his way to Mars to expose a conspiracy to continue
> oppressing the people of Mars by maintaining the Mars Authority's air
> monopoly. When he gets to Mars, soldiers open fire on him, and bullets
> break the windows, allowing the air to rush out until someone can push a
> button to lower the shutters.
>
> Why are the windows made of glass?
>
> Why don't the shutters activate automatically when the air pressure
> lowers?
>
> Why does everything fall at Earth speeds when Mars' gravity is only 38%
> as much?
Because the studio can't afford a gravity dampener for the sound stage.
> Eventually, Douglas activates an alien device which generates a
> breathable atmosphere on Mars.
--
Wanted dead and/or alive: Shroedinger's cat.
Wayne Throop
: Why are the windows made of glass?
:
: Why don't the shutters activate automatically when the air pressure
: lowers?
:
: Why does everything fall at Earth speeds when Mars' gravity is only 38%
: as much?
:
: Eventually, Douglas activates an alien device which generates a
: breathable atmosphere on Mars.
You're being silly. The entire sequence was Quaid's holiday halucination.
Embedded in a movie where accurate portrayal counts for nothing at all.
Therefore, It. Doesn't. Matter.
Why where these things done? Because Verhoeven thought they'd
look cool. There's nothing more to it than that.
Yeah, yeah, I know, Tim's always been like that.
But YEESH. *Total* *Recall*? Obsessing over consistency and
real-world plausibility? In a *Verhoeven" movie about a *halucination*? Reeeeeely? Great Ceasar's Ghost that's... lame.
Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw
Tim Bruening
Wayne Throop wrote:
> : Tim Bruening <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
> : Why are the windows made of glass?
> :
> : Why don't the shutters activate automatically when the air pressure
> : lowers?
> :
> : Why does everything fall at Earth speeds when Mars' gravity is only 38%
> : as much?
> :
> : Eventually, Douglas activates an alien device which generates a
> : breathable atmosphere on Mars.
>
> You're being silly. The entire sequence was Quaid's holiday halucination.
> Embedded in a movie where accurate portrayal counts for nothing at all.
> Therefore, It. Doesn't. Matter.
In the movie, Total Recall didn't get to implant the vacation memories into Quaid, so his experiances on Mars were real, so
should have had objects falling at 38% of the normal rate!
Sean O'Hara
declared:
>
> Wayne Throop wrote:
>
>>
>> You're being silly. The entire sequence was Quaid's holiday halucination.
>> Embedded in a movie where accurate portrayal counts for nothing at all.
>> Therefore, It. Doesn't. Matter.
>
> In the movie, Total Recall didn't get to implant the vacation memories into Quaid,
Yes they did, and it caused Quaid to have a "schizoid embolism" --
everything after that is in his head. That's why the Rekall tech
says, "Blue sky on Mars? That's a new one." That's why the Rekall
computers contain images of the Martian machinery. That's why the
fantasy girl Quaid describes is the girl he meets on Mars. That's
why when the doctor appears on Mars, he describes exactly what will
happen for the rest of the movie.
Also, everything in Minority Report after Tom Cruise enters the
prison capsule is his dream.
--
Sean O'Hara <http://www.diogenes-sinope.blogspot.com>
New audio book: As Long as You Wish by John O'Keefe
<http://librivox.org/short-science-fiction-collection-010/>
Howard Brazee
impossible - for instance the size of whatever gets pulled out of his
nose.
Isn't that a clue about what the story is really about? I don't want
the movie to be more obvious than it was.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Howard Brazee
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>In the movie, Total Recall didn't get to implant the vacation memories into Quaid, so his experiances on Mars were real, so
>should have had objects falling at 38% of the normal rate!
At least Quaid doesn't think Total Recall implanted those memories.
Have you read Dick's story?
Tim Bruening
Sean O'Hara wrote:
> In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful Tim Bruening
> declared:
> >
> > Wayne Throop wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> You're being silly. The entire sequence was Quaid's holiday halucination.
> >> Embedded in a movie where accurate portrayal counts for nothing at all.
> >> Therefore, It. Doesn't. Matter.
> >
> > In the movie, Total Recall didn't get to implant the vacation memories into Quaid,
>
> Yes they did, and it caused Quaid to have a "schizoid embolism" --
> everything after that is in his head. That's why the Rekall tech
> says, "Blue sky on Mars? That's a new one." That's why the Rekall
> computers contain images of the Martian machinery. That's why the
> fantasy girl Quaid describes is the girl he meets on Mars. That's
> why when the doctor appears on Mars, he describes exactly what will
> happen for the rest of the movie.
But the doctor sweated, which told Douglas that he was real!
rap...@gmail.com
> But the doctor sweated, which told Douglas that he was real!
Maybe the sweat wasn't real, or just that the doctor was nervous. He
didn't want his patient to die.
Lato
> thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) found these unused words:
>
>
>
> >: Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Yeah
David DeLaney
'I hope you don't suppose those are real tears?' Tweedledum interrupted
in a tone of great contempt.
Dave "what ARE they teaching them in the cave full of shadows these days, I
_ask_ you?" DeLaney
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
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Sean O'Hara
declared:
> There are things done purposefully in this movie which are obviously
> impossible - for instance the size of whatever gets pulled out of his
> nose.
>
> Isn't that a clue about what the story is really about? I don't want
> the movie to be more obvious than it was.
>
The thing is, for a film that all but hits you over the head with
"It's a dream," most people don't view it that way. If the movie
doesn't end with a doctor at Rekall saying, "He's dead," they accept
the reality of the film and complain about the implausibility of
everything.
Tim Bruening
Sean O'Hara wrote:
> In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful Howard Brazee
> declared:
> > There are things done purposefully in this movie which are obviously
> > impossible - for instance the size of whatever gets pulled out of his
> > nose.
> >
> > Isn't that a clue about what the story is really about? I don't want
> > the movie to be more obvious than it was.
> >
>
> The thing is, for a film that all but hits you over the head with
> "It's a dream," most people don't view it that way. If the movie
> doesn't end with a doctor at Rekall saying, "He's dead," they accept
> the reality of the film and complain about the implausibility of
> everything.
I: A Rekall doctor or nurse said (as Douglas A.K.A the governor of
California is convulsing on the cot) that they hadn't yet implanted the
"vacation on Mars" memories, indicating to me that Doug's adventure was
indeed real! Also the Rekall doctor who visited Douglas was sweating as
Doug held a gun to his head, indicating that he was real!
II: Even if it was all just a Rekall induced dream, shouldn't it take Mars'
true gravity into account? After all, Rekall dreams are supposed to be just
like reality, so Rekall dreams about vacations on Mars should simulate Mars'
.38 G gravity!
Tim Bruening
If the doctor had just been a Rekall simulation, and not actually in
danger from the gun, why would he sweat, and why would the sweat appear
in the program?
Tim Bruening
Sean O'Hara wrote:
> In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful Howard Brazee
> declared:
> > There are things done purposefully in this movie which are obviously
> > impossible - for instance the size of whatever gets pulled out of his
> > nose.
> >
> > Isn't that a clue about what the story is really about? I don't want
> > the movie to be more obvious than it was.
> >
>
> The thing is, for a film that all but hits you over the head with
> "It's a dream," most people don't view it that way. If the movie
> doesn't end with a doctor at Rekall saying, "He's dead," they accept
> the reality of the film and complain about the implausibility of
> everything.
I: A Rekall doctor or nurse said (as Douglas A.K.A the governor of
Howard Brazee
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>I: A Rekall doctor or nurse said (as Douglas A.K.A the governor of
>California is convulsing on the cot) that they hadn't yet implanted the
>"vacation on Mars" memories, indicating to me that Doug's adventure was
>indeed real! Also the Rekall doctor who visited Douglas was sweating as
>Doug held a gun to his head, indicating that he was real!
>
>II: Even if it was all just a Rekall induced dream, shouldn't it take Mars'
>true gravity into account? After all, Rekall dreams are supposed to be just
>like reality, so Rekall dreams about vacations on Mars should simulate Mars'
>.38 G gravity!
We don't know how they created the memories. Maybe they started off
with actors on Earth.
The Dick story is very short, and shows multiple levels of illusion.
Mike Ash
Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 24 May 2009 11:45:20 -0700, Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> >I: A Rekall doctor or nurse said (as Douglas A.K.A the governor of
> >California is convulsing on the cot) that they hadn't yet implanted the
> >"vacation on Mars" memories, indicating to me that Doug's adventure was
> >indeed real! Also the Rekall doctor who visited Douglas was sweating as
> >Doug held a gun to his head, indicating that he was real!
> >
> >II: Even if it was all just a Rekall induced dream, shouldn't it take Mars'
> >true gravity into account? After all, Rekall dreams are supposed to be just
> >like reality, so Rekall dreams about vacations on Mars should simulate Mars'
> >.38 G gravity!
>
> We don't know how they created the memories. Maybe they started off
> with actors on Earth.
>
> The Dick story is very short, and shows multiple levels of illusion.
Is this the proper time to point out that the *real* reason the movie
shows one gravity is because that is the strength of the gravity field
in which the movie was shot, no more, no less?
--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon
Wayne Throop
:: California is convulsing on the cot) that they hadn't yet implanted
:: the "vacation on Mars" memories, indicating to me that Doug's
:: adventure was indeed real! Also the Rekall doctor who visited Douglas
:: was sweating as Doug held a gun to his head, indicating that he was
:: real!
People can't say things in halucinations?
People can't halucinate that their halucination hasn't started?
People can't halucinate that people sweat?
:: II: Even if it was all just a Rekall induced dream, shouldn't it take
:: Mars' true gravity into account? After all, Rekall dreams are
:: supposed to be just like reality, so Rekall dreams about vacations on
:: Mars should simulate Mars' .38 G gravity!
Already been answered. Read my lips. It. Was. A. Movie.
By a director who doesn't place any priority on accuracy.
In the Oblongs episode when the alien extracted Milo's brain
through his nose, how was he able to say "hey, that's my brain"
before he fainted? Wouldn't he have fainted first? And if the
alien was really from a culture where there was no sense of self,
why was she upset when she was told to terminate herself to save
the expense of a return trip? Shouldn't she have been happy to
save money for the collective?
In the Oblongs episode where the narcoleptic dog is saving Milo
from the evil Globicide executive, why was there a steep cliff
outside the Globicide labs, when we know that the Globicide plant
is in a valley? Where did the dog learn to swordfight anyways?
And why didn't the dog show up in other episodes? Did something
happen to him?
The Oblongs theme song says "... lives a family by the landfill
with hazardous foam in their happy glowing home.", but the home is
never shown with foam, or a glow. Didn't the songwriter know that?
Wayne Throop
: Is this the proper time to point out that the *real* reason the movie
: in which the movie was shot, no more, no less?
I think it's more relevant that Verhoeven didn't care what Mars is really
like. I doubt he gave it a second's thought, nor would he have bothered
to so much as wonder if his FX budget stretched to deal with it if he had.
Nor, for that matter, was he wrong to do so, given his target audience.
Why do spaceships bank in so many movies? Why do they move at constant
speed while their rockets are running? Why don't they thrust away from
their destination as they approach it, but either keep thrusting
towards it, or at most just stop thrusting and drift to a stop?
Why do directed energy weapons show up in vacuum?
Most often, the same answer for all of them. Because the director
thought it looked cool, and didn't give a rat's ass what would really
happen in space.
Mike Ash
wrote:
In the case of Total Recall, I think a good case can be made that it's
both. Do the "what if" test. What if Verhoeven actually did care about
realistic gravity? The movie still doesn't get it, because it's
impractical. What if providing realistic gravity actually was practical?
The movie still doesn't get it, because the director doesn't care.
Bluuuue Rajah
news:slrnh1gte...@gatekeeper.vic.com:
> rap...@gmail.com <rap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On May 23, 9:18�pm, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>>> But the doctor sweated, which told Douglas that he was real!
>>
>>Maybe the sweat wasn't real, or just that the doctor was nervous. He
>>didn't want his patient to die.
>
> 'I hope you don't suppose those are real tears?' Tweedledum
> interrupted
> in a tone of great contempt.
>
> Dave "what ARE they teaching them in the cave full of shadows these
> days, I
> _ask_ you?" DeLaney
Indeed. They seem to grasp the concept that it's all a dream, from some
point onward, but they still seem to want to keep projecting disjoint
parts of the dream onto "reality." In fact the dream started when Arnie
lay back in the chair and the machined hummed. For the entire rest of
the film, in "real" space, Arnie was laying in that chair with the silly
grin on his face.
There was no schizoid embolism and no doctor trying to rescue him.
Those were all part of the pre-programmed adventure. After Melina said
"Kiss me quick, before you wake up," he woke up, got into a real Johnny
cab and went home to his happy life with the real Sharon Stone, who was
not a sinister counter agent, but just another bored housewife.
Bluuuue Rajah
@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us:
IT WAS PROGRAMMED THAT WAY TO MAKE THE BEST QUALITY ADVENTURE FOR THE
CUSTOMER, **DUMBASS**!!!
Bluuuue Rajah
news:gv8311$esv$1...@news.xmission.com:
>
>
> Tim Bruening wrote:
>> Douglas Quaid fights his way to Mars to expose a conspiracy to
>> continue oppressing the people of Mars by maintaining the Mars
>> Authority's air monopoly. When he gets to Mars, soldiers open fire
>> on him, and bullets break the windows, allowing the air to rush out
>> until someone can push a button to lower the shutters.
>>
>> Why are the windows made of glass?
>>
>> Why don't the shutters activate automatically when the air pressure
>> lowers?
>>
>> Why does everything fall at Earth speeds when Mars' gravity is only
>> 38% as much?
>
> Because the studio can't afford a gravity dampener for the sound
> stage.
Watch the Carousel scene from Logan's Run. In real life, they use
wires.
Bluuuue Rajah
@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us:
> Douglas Quaid works at a construction site. He and other workers are
> using jack hammers, but they don't appear to be wearing any ear
> protectors!
There's a little antenna set up off screen that closely tracks the
movements of everybody's heads and beams noise cancellation waves into
their ears.
Futebol
> thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) found these unused words:
>
>
>
> >: Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
> >:
> >: Why don't the shutters activate automatically when the air pressure
> >: lowers?
> >:
> >: Why does everything fall at Earth speeds when Mars' gravity is only 38%
> >: as much?
Tim Bruening
"Sir F. A. Rien" wrote:
> Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> found these unused words:
> Sheesh, make it more complicated than necessary!
>
> Is Timmete your sister - you both need to look at the real world!
>
> HINT: FOLEY
Is Foly a brand of ear plug? If so, I didn't even see any ear plugs.
Bluuuue Rajah
Here's what it means.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foley_(film_production)
That bozo also has some trouble recognizing the difference between
what's "real" within the story and what's real in real life, yet he's
insulting me. And he couldn't tell I was being snide.
Foley is also a simple medical device, which describes what he is.
4976 Dead, 109 since 1/20/09
> Matthew Malthouse <use...@calmeilles.co.uk> found these unused words:
>
>>On Wed, 27 May 2009 13:54:22 -0700 (PDT), "edi...@netpath.net"
>><edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On May 27, 4:49 pm, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>>> > Schwarzenegger, like most governors, has the power of line item
>>> > veto, so he could just line item veto the budget to match revenues!
>>>
>>> You forget that "most governors" don't have a population long-addicted
>>> to a Sweden-level welfare state to contend with - especially one with
>>> a large underclass.
>>
>>Ah, the population that over the last forty years has consistently used
>>the proposition system to mandate spending and cut revenue.
>>
>>The more I learn of Californian governance the less sympathy I have with
>>those who seem mainly to have brought crisis after crisis down on their
>>own heads.
>>
>>Perhaps this time the mess is bad enough for there to be some will to
>>solve the fundamental problem. But I wouldn't bet on it.
>>
> Nor would anyone with the least familiarity wioth the CAFAs.
>
> Just look at our pin-up girl, Timmette.
>
> Always whining for more gummint, more spending, then cries when asked to
> pay back some of the largess in the form of FAIR tax - as in "I should
> pay anything?".
>
> No, shove the burden on those who WORK, who took chances and succeeded !
Like Bernie Madoff? Or Enron? Or born-millionaire Bill Gates, who
violated nearly every anti-monopoly and unfair business practice law in
the books to get Microsoft where it is today.
--
Classical economics is only value-free on its surface. In actual fact
it ignores power in the world. In actual fact it ignores that its
outcomes ALWAYS hurt the lesser much more than they do the greater.
Economics is not just the dismal science, it is the shameful fancy window
dressing of the exercise of naked power by the rich and the owners
against the poor and the workers. It is the condom which makes safe and
obscure the ways we are screwed. Wythe Holt 5/21/09
4976 Dead, 109 since 1/20/09
> "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> found these unused words:
>
>>On May 27, 4:49 pm, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>>> Schwarzenegger, like most governors, has the power of line item veto,
>>> so he could just line item veto the budget to match revenues!
>>
>>You forget that "most governors" don't have a population long-addicted
>>to a Sweden-level welfare state to contend with - especially one with a
>>large underclass.
Gosh, bubbles, I wonder what caused that "large underclass"? Do you
suppose it was an economy imploding because all the economic growth was
going to the top 5%?
>>
> ,,, and so the 'opposition' just goes and porks the same thing into more
> bills or STALLS much neededd bills until they get a 'compromise'.
>
> Stop spouting until you know how the real world works, lil'Timmette!
You might want to start by reading about the French Revolution.
Oh, and stay away from remarks about eating cake.
Tim Bruening
I understand that Bill and Melinda Gates have a huge charitable foundation.
nemo
"Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:4A1754CC...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
> Douglas Quaid works at a construction site. He and other workers are
> using jack hammers, but they don't appear to be wearing any ear
> protectors!
That Ticotin girl is extremely attractive!
Before she was well-known, she did a nuddie dance video for Playboy and it
got shown on the Benelux movie channel, Filmnet, as an inter - lude a few
times, and I got a recording of it! Very tasty!
Magazine for bent priests with pics of naked choirboys: Prayboy.
Nemo.
In 2007, retirement was heaven,
And it's still quite divine in 2009!
I'd be much better off as a fiddling MP,
But graft and corruption are alien to me!