German citizenship papers
Robert Miller
would have a passport on her, German or whathaveyou.
But I made an incorrect presumption. It was her
German citizenship papers.
from "Evidence Dismissed," page 47, about
halfway down the page:
"After opening Nicole Brown's purse, which is found in
her bedroom, Lange and Ratcliffe "officially" identify
her through a driver's license and her German citizenship
papers; Brown had been born in Frankfurt, Germany.
Then, Lange and Ratcliffe go outside to her body and
that of the still-unidentified male...."
So the question shouldn't be why she had her German
passport with her. The question should be:
WHY WOULD A WOMAN WHO'S LIVED ALMOST
HER ENTIRE LIFE IN AMERICA BE CARRYING
AROUND HER GERMAN CITIZENSHIP PAPERS IN
HER PURSE?
Is the INS sweeping Brentwood to deport suspicious
blondes in their thirties?
confused
>You know, there are explanations as to why Nicole
>would have a passport on her, German or whathaveyou.
>But I made an incorrect presumption. It was her
>German citizenship papers.
>
>from "Evidence Dismissed," page 47, about
>halfway down the page:
>
>"After opening Nicole Brown's purse, which is found in
>her bedroom, Lange and Ratcliffe "officially" identify
>her through a driver's license and her German citizenship
>papers; Brown had been born in Frankfurt, Germany.
>Then, Lange and Ratcliffe go outside to her body and
>that of the still-unidentified male...."
Now, robert do you wish to go for the big money and tell us what
German citizenship papers actually are? Please explain why someone
from Germany would have "citizenship" papers? According you, she
wasn't a "naturalized" German citizen, so just what papers what
"citizenship" papers are Germans citizens given that American
citizens are not? What happens if they lose them? Please Robert
explain the "citizenship" papers.
>So the question shouldn't be why she had her German
>passport with her. The question should be:
>
>WHY WOULD A WOMAN WHO'S LIVED ALMOST
>HER ENTIRE LIFE IN AMERICA BE CARRYING
>AROUND HER GERMAN CITIZENSHIP PAPERS IN
>HER PURSE?
No, first you must explain what those papers actually are.
I like your take on this so much, that until you can give a
verifiable answer, I will continue to ask it.
John Griffin
Apparently "German citizenship papers" is a meaningless term, since no one
can find an explanation of what that means. So the upshot of all this is
that the cops found something that they vaguely and inaccurately described
in those words. I think they also found one of those little mirror things
in her purse. I'd enjoy seeing crazybob and his little trainee prien make
a conspiracy out of that. Seriously.
I hope it wasn't just a little card from a vending machine that said "I'm
a German-American Citizen."
Nicole had noticed and told at least one person that Simpson planned to
kill her - and apparently she mentioned it to Denise often enough (once?)
that when Denise heard she was dead, she immediately guessed correctly
that it was Simpson. So that could have been a visa to enter Germany
whenever she decided it was time to get out of the country and away from
the murderer. The only thing certain about whatever the hell it was is
that Simpson wouldn't have butchered her any more savagely if she hadn't
had them.
That settles that. Now, about the lipstick thing they found in her
purse...that color is very suspicious, and I defy anyone to find in the
testimony where they dismantled it to make sure it wasn't some kind of
conspiracy gear. Do we have a lipstick expert here? Of course we do, but
he'll be busy wallowing in "miss" pronunciation for another week or so.
MIRSE
>From: John Griffin hilb...@bigger.aa.net
>Date: 3/7/00 8:38 AM Eastern
Apparently "German citizenship papers" is a meaningless term, since no one
can find an explanation of what that means. So the upshot of all this is
that the cops found something that they vaguely and inaccurately described
in those words. I think they also found one of those little mirror things
in her purse. I'd enjoy seeing crazybob and his little trainee prien make
a conspiracy out of that. Seriously.
************
Does anyone know if Lange or Vannater mention Nicole's "German papers" in
either their criminal or civil trial testimonies? I tried to look in the
criminal trial transcripts, but their testimonies in the criminal trial are
so long, I may have missed their references to Nicole's "German papers".
I would appreciate any help with the "German papers" topic.
Mi...@aol.com
Robert Miller
John Griffin wrote:
> Apparently "German citizenship papers" is a meaningless term, since no one
> can find an explanation of what that means. So the upshot of all this is
> that the cops found something that they vaguely and inaccurately described
> in those words. I think they also found one of those little mirror things
> in her purse. I'd enjoy seeing crazybob and his little trainee prien make
> a conspiracy out of that. Seriously.
>
> I hope it wasn't just a little card from a vending machine that said "I'm
> a German-American Citizen."
>
> Nicole had noticed and told at least one person that Simpson planned to
> kill her - and apparently she mentioned it to Denise often enough (once?)
> that when Denise heard she was dead, she immediately guessed correctly
> that it was Simpson. So that could have been a visa to enter Germany
> whenever she decided it was time to get out of the country and away from
> the murderer. The only thing certain about whatever the hell it was is
> that Simpson wouldn't have butchered her any more savagely if she hadn't
> had them.
>
> That settles that. Now, about the lipstick thing they found in her
> purse...that color is very suspicious, and I defy anyone to find in the
> testimony where they dismantled it to make sure it wasn't some kind of
> conspiracy gear. Do we have a lipstick expert here? Of course we do, but
> he'll be busy wallowing in "miss" pronunciation for another week or so.
[What are German citizenship papers? What did the LAPD find in her
purse? Well, if they are legal documents establishing her German citizenship,
I guess that would qualify as citizenship papers, although the fact that what
they were were never more developed by the otherwise prying media is
curious, again by its absence. The papers were important enough for Nicole
to possess in her purse. How come? Was she planning on leaving the
country, was she fearful of some kind of prosecution and hoped to get
out of the country? I would guess that the Mezz didn't demand citizenship
papers to serve Nicole gin fizzes, so considering the limited space in
purses, the papers were important to her. Papers that suggest a means
of identifying herself, or a means of emigration, or something, is intriguing,
considering that she must have had some reason to have them in her purse
prior to her bloody murder.]
Ron
[weasel bob] travels back in time:
>You know, there are explanations as to why Nicole
>would have a passport on her, German or whathaveyou.
>But I made an incorrect presumption. It was her
>German citizenship papers.
>
There is no such animal as "German citizenship papers" and you know it, you
stupid fucking asshole.
You seem to have "forgotten" that the reason *YOU*, [crazy bob miller]
unilaterally decided that she was actually carrying a German passport in her
purse (a fairy tale you repeated endlessly, as usual) to begin with was that
any number of people--among them expert-on-all-things-German
Genocideral--finally succeeded in beating the fact that there was no such
animal as "German citizenship papers" into your otherwise-empty skull.
That was last year though, right Reinhard? Time to do what you're best
known for--pretend it never happened and start the whole process all over
again. As I've said a hundred times, you're a regular one-mailman circle
jerk, [bobsco].
<standard [reinhard gehlen] must be involved delusions deleted>
Let's go back to the reason I decided to revisit this topic, shall we
[cretin bob]? Fatso Ratcliffe plainly stated in her report
"Identification was established at the scene by a passport." Do you see
that. [crazy one]? PASSPORT. There is no ambiguity. PASSPORT. No
'citizenship papers' are involved. The only passport she could have held
was a US passport. There is absolutely no doubt about that either.
http://www.usvisa.com/dual_citizenship.htm
The passage in "Evidence Dismissed" was written by Dan E. Moldea, NOT LANGE
(how many times do I have to remind you morons of that, [herr bob]?) and he
can misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes how the hell ever he wants
to misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes. One sentence written by
Dan E. Moldea does not alter reality. Nicole was identified from her
passport, and there is no such animal as "German citizenship papers".
Now, kindly go fuck yourself, [boring bob].
confused
>[What are German citizenship papers?
"So the question shouldn't be why she had her German
passport with her. The question should be:
WHY WOULD A WOMAN WHO'S LIVED ALMOST
HER ENTIRE LIFE IN AMERICA BE CARRYING
AROUND HER GERMAN CITIZENSHIP PAPERS IN
HER PURSE?"
Were you not going to explain this to us?
>What did the LAPD find in her purse? Well, if they are legal documents
>establishing her German citizenship, I guess that would qualify as
>citizenship papers, although the fact that what they were were never
>more developed by the otherwise prying media is curious, again by its
>absence.
Oh come on now Bob, let's not change the subject. Did they find some
papers that German citizens are given that American citizens are
not? Don't you find it interesting that our government is denying us
some paperwork that proves which of us are citizens?
>The papers were important enough for Nicole to possess in her purse.
>How come?
Well Bob, If you would tell us what these papers were, we could
answer your question. You have suggested that "German citizenship
papers" are not a passport. So what are they?
>considering that she must have had some reason to have them in her purse
>prior to her bloody murder.]
If you tell us what they are, we'll tell you why she has them.
John Griffin
>John Griffin wrote:
>> confused <mo...@mmw-gbg.net> wrote:
>> >Robert Miller <mil...@slip.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>You know, there are explanations as to why Nicole
>> >>would have a passport on her, German or whathaveyou.
>> >>But I made an incorrect presumption. It was her
>> >>German citizenship papers.
>> >>
>> >>from "Evidence Dismissed," page 47, about
>> >>halfway down the page:
>> >>
>> >>"After opening Nicole Brown's purse, which is found in
>> >>her bedroom, Lange and Ratcliffe "officially" identify
>> >>her through a driver's license and her German citizenship
>> >>papers; Brown had been born in Frankfurt, Germany.
>> >>Then, Lange and Ratcliffe go outside to her body and
>> >>that of the still-unidentified male...."
>>
>> >Now, robert do you wish to go for the big money and tell us what
>> >German citizenship papers actually are? Please explain why someone
>> >from Germany would have "citizenship" papers? According you, she
>> >wasn't a "naturalized" German citizen, so just what papers what
>> >"citizenship" papers are Germans citizens given that American
>> >citizens are not? What happens if they lose them? Please Robert
>> >explain the "citizenship" papers.
>>
>> >>So the question shouldn't be why she had her German
>> >>passport with her. The question should be:
>> >>
>> >>WHY WOULD A WOMAN WHO'S LIVED ALMOST
>> >>HER ENTIRE LIFE IN AMERICA BE CARRYING
>> >>AROUND HER GERMAN CITIZENSHIP PAPERS IN
>> >>HER PURSE?
>>
>> >No, first you must explain what those papers actually are.
>>
>> >I like your take on this so much, that until you can give a
>> >verifiable answer, I will continue to ask it.
>>
>> Apparently "German citizenship papers" is a meaningless term, since no one
>> can find an explanation of what that means. So the upshot of all this is
>> that the cops found something that they vaguely and inaccurately described
>> in those words. I think they also found one of those little mirror things
>> in her purse. I'd enjoy seeing crazybob and his little trainee prien make
>> a conspiracy out of that. Seriously.
>>
>> I hope it wasn't just a little card from a vending machine that said "I'm
>> a German-American Citizen."
>>
>> Nicole had noticed and told at least one person that Simpson planned to
>> kill her - and apparently she mentioned it to Denise often enough (once?)
>> that when Denise heard she was dead, she immediately guessed correctly
>> that it was Simpson. So that could have been a visa to enter Germany
>> whenever she decided it was time to get out of the country and away from
>> the murderer. The only thing certain about whatever the hell it was is
>> that Simpson wouldn't have butchered her any more savagely if she hadn't
>> had them.
>>
>> That settles that. Now, about the lipstick thing they found in her
>> purse...that color is very suspicious, and I defy anyone to find in the
>> testimony where they dismantled it to make sure it wasn't some kind of
>> conspiracy gear. Do we have a lipstick expert here? Of course we do, but
>> he'll be busy wallowing in "miss" pronunciation for another week or so.
>[What are German citizenship papers? What did the LAPD find in her
>purse? Well, if they are legal documents establishing her German citizenship,
>I guess that would qualify as citizenship papers, although the fact that what
>they were were never more developed by the otherwise prying media is
>curious, again by its absence. The papers were important enough for Nicole
>to possess in her purse. How come? Was she planning on leaving the
>country, was she fearful of some kind of prosecution and hoped to get
>out of the country? I would guess that the Mezz didn't demand citizenship
>papers to serve Nicole gin fizzes, so considering the limited space in
>purses, the papers were important to her. Papers that suggest a means
>of identifying herself, or a means of emigration, or something, is intriguing,
>considering that she must have had some reason to have them in her purse
>prior to her bloody murder.]
You remind me of an old TV show, where Art Linkletter would go
through womens' purses and give them prizes if certain items
were found. It was hilarious sometimes - especially the reaction
by those who had no idea what was in their purses.
Anyway, it's pretty clear that the "German citizenship papers" thing
is no more meaningful than any other item they found in her purse.
Your leap to the conclusion that whatever was misidentified in that
hasty inspection was important to her is as funny as that old show.
They were only interested in identifying the carcass, not doing an
evidence inventory.
confused
> In her purse, Nicole had birth papers, or passport, or other
>kinds of papers linking her to Germany.
So you agree with us. That's great! But the only type that has been
properly ID is a passport. So unless you can find anything else,
shouldn't one consider the "German citizenship papers..." some
author's spin on passport?
> So the question is not how laughable are your efforts to
>discredit Mister Bob, as entertaining as that topic is; but the
>question is: why would Nicole be carrying those documents at the time
>of her murder?
So now we return to the question that miller and prien keep running
from...If it was her passport, was it any more unusual than simpson
carrying his when he was arrested?
NKC
>
>You seem to have "forgotten" that the reason *YOU*, [crazy bob miller]
>unilaterally decided that she was actually carrying a German passport in her
>purse (a fairy tale you repeated endlessly, as usual)
since the investigator's report states:
"...IDENTIFICATION AT THE SCENE WAS ESTABLISHED BY A
PASSPORT..."
and Lange and Vannatter say
"After opening Nicole Brown's purse, which is found in
her bedroom, Lange and Ratcliffe "officially" identify
her through a driver's license and her German citizenship
papers..."
It is a viable speculation that when Ratcliffe said "passport" that's
what was meant.
BTW, stupid: many countries issue passports if one can verify
direct descendancy from a parent born in that country, like one's
mother. [Mexico is one of these countries. Therefore, even if one is
born in the USA, if one's mother is from Mexico, one can have a
Mexican passport.]
In her purse, Nicole had birth papers, or passport, or other
kinds of papers linking her to Germany.
John Griffin
There are so many possibilities that it wouldn't really be much
fun to list more of them than the few that have already been
mentioned.
Tell us your idea of some good reasons why she wouldn't
have a passport in her purse. You know, things like "it's
prohibited by law," "women never do weird things," "those
suckers are too heavy to carry around," etc. It's okay if
you can't think of any more, since it has been established
that this is only some meaningless Simpson cult gossip.
By the way, Crazy Bob discredited himself, a
t i m e ago.
Thomas P. Jabine
She wasn't carrying them, they were in her bedroom. Why wouldn't they be?
Ron
(NKC) wrote:
>On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 12:32:51 -0600, Ron <r...@maui1.to> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>You seem to have "forgotten" that the reason *YOU*, [crazy bob miller]
>>unilaterally decided that she was actually carrying a German passport in her
>>purse (a fairy tale you repeated endlessly, as usual)
>
>since the investigator's report states:
>
> "...IDENTIFICATION AT THE SCENE WAS ESTABLISHED BY A
>PASSPORT..."
>
Why are you simply SCREAMING OUT what I've been saying for the past week and
acting like you just discovered the Dead Sea Scrolls, Pat?
>and Lange and Vannatter say
Nothing: not a damn word. All you accomplished by snipping the following
paragraph from my original article is to look like the inept duplicitous
cretin you are.
The passage in "Evidence Dismissed" was written by Dan E. Moldea, NOT LANGE
(how many times do I have to remind you morons of that, [herr bob]?) and he
can misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes how the hell ever he wants
to misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes. One sentence written by
Dan E. Moldea does not alter reality. Nicole was identified from her
passport, and there is no such animal as "German citizenship papers".
>"After opening Nicole Brown's purse, which is found in
>her bedroom, Lange and Ratcliffe "officially" identify
>her through a driver's license and her German citizenship
>papers..."
>
So, you're saying that along with being a world-class snipper, you can copy
& paste with the best of them? That's impressive!
Here's a little test for you Pats:
Ron: "With the time-consuming process of locating it with a magnifying
glass and grabbing it with a pair of tweezers finally completed, Patty
steeled herself for the onerous chore of gobbling [crazy bob's] mini
pee-pee."
Pat: "I sucked [crazy bob's] dick."
Which of the two would qualify as "said by Pat", and which would be someone
else spinning a yarn giving his take on what he thinks Pat thought/did?
>It is a viable speculation that when Ratcliffe said "passport" that's
>what was meant.
Passport? OK, I'll buy that. German passport? Totally impossible, so you
have just pronounced the issue to be a non-issue yourself.
http://www.usvisa.com/dual_citizenship.htm
> BTW, stupid: many countries issue passports if one can verify
>direct descendancy from a parent born in that country, like one's
>mother.
BTW, stupidest, Germany is not one of them. One more time:
http://www.usvisa.com/dual_citizenship.htm
You know, if you didn't snip that to begin with I wouldn't have had to
reinsert it twice and make you look 3 times as stupid/sneaky. Really, Pat,
you ought to try reading some of this stuff before you snip it away and
start spewing whatever canned bullshit you happen to have on hand. You
could save yourself a lot of embarrassment that way.
> [Mexico is one of these countries.
Are you now saying she had a Mexican passport? If not, what the hell does
Mexico have to do with anything? Why not Namibia? It's just as relevant.
> Therefore, even if one is
>born in the USA, if one's mother is from Mexico, one can have a
>Mexican passport.]
Who cares? Half the countries in the world allow dual citizenship. Since
Germany is not one of them, your pre-mixed babble is meaningless.
> In her purse, Nicole had birth papers, or passport, or other
>kinds of papers linking her to Germany.
Don't turn around, Pat: the truth of the matter is right there threatening
to bite you on that famban barretoso of yours at any second.
I'm sure a self-proclaimed world traveler like you has a passport. Look at
it. Do you see the box that says "Place of birth"? Where yours says "San
Francisco CA USA", hers said "Frankfurt Germany". Beginning to get the
drift yet, Patty?
> So the question is not how laughable are your efforts to
>discredit Mister Bob,
Hahahahahahaha!!!! As if [mister bob] needs any discrediting! I'd really
love to if I could, but he completed the job himself the day he started
posting here.
> as entertaining as that topic is; but the
>question is: why would Nicole be carrying those documents at the time
>of her murder?
>
Pat, I know it's a lot to ask, but try to stop lying for a second. The
actual question would be "Why did Nicole have her passport in *a* purse that
was laying up in her bedroom?"
>
Why do you find that to be such a peculiar place to keep a passport? Where
do you keep yours, in the refrigerator?
>
Cable Guise
> On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 12:32:51 -0600, Ron <r...@maui1.to> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >You seem to have "forgotten" that the reason *YOU*, [crazy bob miller]
> >unilaterally decided that she was actually carrying a German passport in her
> >purse (a fairy tale you repeated endlessly, as usual)
>
> since the investigator's report states:
>
> "...IDENTIFICATION AT THE SCENE WAS ESTABLISHED BY A
> PASSPORT..."
>
> and Lange and Vannatter say
> "After opening Nicole Brown's purse, which is found in
> her bedroom, Lange and Ratcliffe "officially" identify
> her through a driver's license and her German citizenship
> papers..."
>
> It is a viable speculation that when Ratcliffe said "passport" that's
> what was meant.
> BTW, stupid: many countries issue passports if one can verify
> direct descendancy from a parent born in that country, like one's
> mother. [Mexico is one of these countries. Therefore, even if one is
> born in the USA, if one's mother is from Mexico, one can have a
> Mexican passport.]
> In her purse, Nicole had birth papers, or passport, or other
> kinds of papers linking her to Germany.
> So the question is not how laughable are your efforts to
> discredit Mister Bob, as entertaining as that topic is; but the
> question is: why would Nicole be carrying those documents at the time
> of her murder?
Um, what difference does it make? I just did a search of my own pockets,
and I found a post-it note with reminder to tape a TV show, an fortune
cookie fortune and a folded paper napkin. If I were murdered on my way home
from work, these items MIGHT be vital to solving the case but I assure you
they would most likely be irrelevant.
Unless you wanted to make up some elaborate scenario to make my killer not
guilty of his crime....
:-)
John Griffin
>On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 22:15:08 -1000, mo...@mmw-gbg.net (confused) wrote:
>>
>>So now we return to the question that miller and prien keep running
>>from...If it was her passport, was it any more unusual than simpson
>>carrying his when he was arrested?
>"more" or "less" "unusual" is NOT THE FUCKING ISSUE here. There is no
>moral value being placed on whether Nicole had her passport in her
>purse, nor is there a contest for what is "unusual"...even though
>single-cell-brained no-j's try to argue that we are posing that by
>raising this question.
> This is the ISSUE: that the victim might have been ready for
>flight or identification may have probative value, given that she was
>murdered under some extreme circumstances, even for murder.
> That OJ Simpson had his own passport on him may be tied to why
>she had hers on her. And maybe it doesn't.
On one of the occasions when he reminded her that he planned to kill her,
she decided to carry a passport because she thought she might be able to
escape his homicidal attachment by leaving the country, so she started
carrying a passport. The vicious, lying, wife-beating, coke-snorting
scumbag found out and started carrying his passport so he wouldn't be
delayed in hunting her down and killing her. Okay, I just made that up -
but you'll have to admit that it's far more plausible than anything
crazybob or that incredibly stupid little chickenshit prien have
suggested.
The fact is that she had no reason to have the passport with her, but had
simply neglected to take it out of her purse after using it for some
reason. As for his passport, he grabbed it on the way out the door after
he found that he was going to be arrested and prosecuted for his murder
spree. If you were a normal person, you'd see how that fits with his
escape attempt, and fits with Nicole's sloppy housekeeping habits that you
cretins trumpet as proof that Simpson is innocent...but of course cretins
aren't capable of correlating facts.
Poor little prien...the reason he has been posting tantrums instead of
overblown soliloquys lately is that every time he shrieks that his
mindless interpretation of something is the only possible one, someone
takes the few seconds and expends the trivial amount of effort it takes to
come up with a far better one. Oddly, the tragic little puke seems to have
noticed. Keep encouraging him.
John Griffin
>On 8 Mar 2000 09:21:40 -0500, tja...@polaris.umuc.edu (Thomas P.
>Jabine) wrote:
>>In article <38c5d143...@news.mindspring.com>,
>>She wasn't carrying them, they were in her bedroom. Why wouldn't they be?
>Since it's International Women's Day, is it okay if I remind you that
>us women generally carry our purses?
All of them?! Weird!
origi...@webtv.net
civil trial, the spector of police misconduct once again reared it's
ugly head and cast an ominous pall over the cases. We are left with
questions about planted evidence, perjury, altered crime scenes, and
violations of the constitutional rights of the defendant.
Many, who are naive, say that it is an aberration, just over
zealous acts by a few rouge cops, while others, more astute, warn that
it is a systemic pattern of lawlessness within the LAPD.
Under those circumstances, perhaps it is best to do proper due
diligence in order to determine if, in fact, the LAPD has acted in the
best interests of all the citizens of the City of Los Angeles.
One good way to accomplish that is to follow the money trail.
The following comes from the Office of City Attorney; Los Angeles,
California: Civil Liability Division.
Police Litigation Report N-1
Year--Claims Filed--Total $ Amt. Awarded
***********************************************
1980 646 $ 894,402
1981 751 416,630
1982 692 2,652,455
1983 911 4,514,189
1984 986 2,085,964
1985 1152 2,049,087
1986 1041 4,300,508
1987 840 2,487,732
1988 851 2,383,716
1989 766 6,382,060
1990 672 9,089,676
1991 848 14,658,075
1992 585 19,680,577
1993 726 10,714,035
1994 514 8,786,434
1995 549 13,558,195
1996 583 12,106,902
1997 829 7,639,280
1998 665 3,740,231
When the total settlements, judgements, and monies awarded to plaintiffs
are calculated, the amount exceeds $148 Million Dollars!!! Note that the
results of litigation for 1999 have yet to be published which could
increase the amounts to over $150 Million Dollars. It must also be noted
that 1980 was the first year when the records were compiled. Also notice
the beginning years of the 90's, and particularly, 1994/95, which
clearly were years of gross negligence and lawless behavior by the LAPD.
When you add to the figures given above, the estimated $200 Million
Dollars or more that will be paid out to victims of the Ramparts police,
which is only the tip of the iceberg, more than One-third (1/3) of a
Billion Dollars (!), and counting, has been wasted over the last twenty
years to settle lawsuits filed against the LAPD for their misconduct of
various kinds.
confused
>On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 22:15:08 -1000, mo...@mmw-gbg.net (confused) wrote:
>>So now we return to the question that miller and prien keep running
>>from...If it was her passport, was it any more unusual than simpson
>>carrying his when he was arrested?
>"more" or "less" "unusual" is NOT THE FUCKING ISSUE here.
Not to you. Here are two people that were married for a number of
years, certain habits about are likely to develop between the two.
So, since both seem to keep their passports with them, either it is
a habit common to both or external. If flight is the reason Nicole
chose to have hers with her, then the same is likely to apply to
simpson. So could one of the reasons that simpson had his passport
with him when he was arrested also be the possibility of flight on
his part?
confused
>And the last time I looked (just seconds ago) the authorship is identified as:
>Det. Tom Lange and Det. Philip Vannater as told to Dan E. Moldea. In their
>preface, they clearly assume responsibility for the content of the book.
Boy are you reading a lot into that. Why would to seasoned
detectives refer to a passport as "German citizenship papers" rather
than a passport. If it wasn't a passport, what are "German
citizenship papers"? Why wouldn't the detectives refer to them by a
"common" name? Why wouldn't the detectives go into more detail about
"German citizenship papers" if there was anything unusual about it?
NKC
wrote:
>In article <38c5d143...@news.mindspring.com>, mag...@unforgettable.com
>(NKC) wrote:
>
>> In her purse, Nicole had birth papers, or passport, or other
>> kinds of papers linking her to Germany.
>> So the question is not how laughable are your efforts to
>> discredit Mister Bob, as entertaining as that topic is; but the
>> question is: why would Nicole be carrying those documents at the time
>> of her murder?
>
>Um, what difference does it make? I just did a search of my own pockets,
>and I found a post-it note with reminder to tape a TV show, an fortune
>cookie fortune and a folded paper napkin. If I were murdered on my way home
>from work, these items MIGHT be vital to solving the case but I assure you
>they would most likely be irrelevant.
IThank you. This is precisely the point from which we all need to
depart from the *trumped up hyped exaggerated media manipulated* LAPD
Theory that OJS was the one and only killer.
If as you say, you were murdered on your way home from work,
any good investigation would look at that post-it note and explore it:
what was it about that TV program? Did the program contain
information that you wanted to review because it was revelatory in a
criminal way? Did someone tell you to go directly home to tape it just
so they could know where you would be in order to swiftly kill you?
And the fortune cookie in the napkin!!! Any investigator with
evidence like this would trip out exploring the myriad of
possibilities!!
Let your mind wander with the possibilities -- that's what an
investigation is about. Take your favorite suspect, OJ Simpson, out
of the picture. Let's just say he was on the plane at 6:30 PM. Okay,
so you're a cop and so you have a double homicide. You're trying to
id one of the victims, find out she's a well known citizen, sort of a
celebrity. But wait: you find a German passport in her purse? Whaaa?
Where was she going? German citizenship papers on the dresser?
Whaaa? Why?
Now, insert OJS back in the picture. You want him to be THE
ONE, after all, he's the ex-hubby, there's been some domestic
violence, most female victims are killed by intimates, etc... but
you've got this nagging feeling that it could be someone else, because
of some of the thoughts generated by the messages in your victim's
pockets. You therefore -- investigate. Something we didn't get with
this crime.
>Unless you wanted to make up some elaborate scenario to make my killer not
>guilty of his crime....
I hope you see that an investigation's purpose is not to pursue
evidence against a favorite suspect, but to gather facts, emerge
theories, and identify suspects. Once the suspect is charged, it is
the legal obligation of the police to reveal all information that is
exculpatory. [Clearly, this was one itsy bitsy LAPD violation, I'm
sure it won't happen again.]
>
>:-)
ThePuppetMaster
wrote:
>In article <38c5d143...@news.mindspring.com>, mag...@unforgettable.com
>(NKC) wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 12:32:51 -0600, Ron <r...@maui1.to> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> >You seem to have "forgotten" that the reason *YOU*, [crazy bob miller]
>> >unilaterally decided that she was actually carrying a German passport in her
>> >purse (a fairy tale you repeated endlessly, as usual)
>>
>> since the investigator's report states:
>>
>> "...IDENTIFICATION AT THE SCENE WAS ESTABLISHED BY A
>> PASSPORT..."
>>
>> and Lange and Vannatter say
>> "After opening Nicole Brown's purse, which is found in
>> her bedroom, Lange and Ratcliffe "officially" identify
>> her through a driver's license and her German citizenship
>> papers..."
>>
>> It is a viable speculation that when Ratcliffe said "passport" that's
>> what was meant.
>> BTW, stupid: many countries issue passports if one can verify
>> direct descendancy from a parent born in that country, like one's
>> mother. [Mexico is one of these countries. Therefore, even if one is
>> born in the USA, if one's mother is from Mexico, one can have a
>> Mexican passport.]
>> In her purse, Nicole had birth papers, or passport, or other
>> kinds of papers linking her to Germany.
>> So the question is not how laughable are your efforts to
>> discredit Mister Bob, as entertaining as that topic is; but the
>> question is: why would Nicole be carrying those documents at the time
>> of her murder?
Considering how many places require two photo id's to cash a check, or
get a loan, or any number of other reasons, why do find it unusual?
Since I don't travel abroad I don't have a passport, and consequently
only have one photo id, my drivers license. I'm sure that if I had a
passport I'd carry it in my briefcase for just such reasons. But while
we're on the subject of why would Nicole carry her passport with her,
why didn't any of you morons question why OJ had his with him in
Cowling's Bronco? Why is it so suspicious for Nicole as the murder
victim, but not for the murderer?
>
>Um, what difference does it make? I just did a search of my own pockets,
>and I found a post-it note with reminder to tape a TV show, an fortune
>cookie fortune and a folded paper napkin. If I were murdered on my way home
>from work, these items MIGHT be vital to solving the case but I assure you
>they would most likely be irrelevant.
>
>Unless you wanted to make up some elaborate scenario to make my killer not
>guilty of his crime....
>
>:-)
NKC
>In article <38c5d143...@news.mindspring.com>,
NKC
>>The passage in "Evidence Dismissed" was written by Dan E. Moldea, NOT LANGE
>(how many times do I have to remind you morons of that, [herr bob]?) and he
>can misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes how the hell ever he wants
>to misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes. One sentence written by
>Dan E. Moldea does not alter reality.
As much as there is a virtual Everest of Ronnieisms that I can poke
fun at, this, Ron, is your all time best. Now you attempt to
disqualify what the detective reportedly found because it was written
by somebody else?
This is like donkey ass Hilbilly saying that I am not allowed
to speak about police misconduct unless I can report first hand
experiences of being the victim of misconduct, with at least 2
witnesses to back up that I was victimized.
Yet when you organize a lynch party for this defendant known
as OJ Simpson, all you need is some "evidence" brought to you by
"police" that just happen to be of LAPD. Despite contradictions and
the known practice of LAPD to fabricate evidence.
Time for you guys to come up with something better, or else,
stand like men and admit this Bundy homicide investigation is
continuing.
NKC
>
>So now we return to the question that miller and prien keep running
>from...If it was her passport, was it any more unusual than simpson
>carrying his when he was arrested?
"more" or "less" "unusual" is NOT THE FUCKING ISSUE here. There is no
Lyynn69520
>Date: 3/8/00 11:11 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <38c721bd...@news.mindspring.com>
You rule.
Lyynn
Prien
>Date: 3/8/2000 10:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <38c71bd2...@news.mindsp
notes that some NoJ wrote about quote in L&V book:
>>>The passage in "Evidence Dismissed" was written by Dan E. Moldea, NOT LANGE
>>(how many times do I have to remind you morons of that, [herr bob]?) and he
>>can misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes how the hell ever he wants
>>to misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes. One sentence written by
>>Dan E. Moldea does not alter reality.
>
And the last time I looked (just seconds ago) the authorship is identified as:
Det. Tom Lange and Det. Philip Vannater as told to Dan E. Moldea. In their
preface, they clearly assume responsibility for the content of the book.
Therefore, whether they told the story, gave them their written notes, and
however they discussed it with him, and assert in the preface (signed by them)
that we have reconstructed in Part One of our book the five-day period between
June 13 and June 17" which unquestionably includes the discovery of the
passport and its use in identifying Nicole.
So this NoJ's lame and lamebrained effort to palm this off on Moldea is just
garbage.
NKC, this scum doesn't even have broken reeds to cling to any more.
Duane
Sorry, Prien. But can you tell me what page this passage is on?
Duane
Ron
(NKC) wrote:
>On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 09:12:05 -0600, Ron <r...@maui1.to> wrote:
>
>
>>>The passage in "Evidence Dismissed" was written by Dan E. Moldea, NOT LANGE
>>(how many times do I have to remind you morons of that, [herr bob]?) and he
>>can misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes how the hell ever he wants
>>to misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes. One sentence written by
>>Dan E. Moldea does not alter reality.
>
>As much as there is a virtual Everest of Ronnieisms that I can poke
>fun at, this, Ron, is your all time best.
Judging by how much of it you snipped (every fucking word except something I
had to repost because you snipped it last time around) I'll admit that it
must rank right on up there. In fact, this could well be your most
humiliating self-admitted trouncing ever. Shamelessly running away from
EVERY lie you told/dumb-assed statement you made in your last silly post
without so much as a half-hearted attempt at defending even one of them?
Wow, it must really suck to be you.
> Now you attempt to
>disqualify what the detective reportedly found because it was written
>by somebody else?
Pat, you're boring me again with your same-old "snip everything except one
nit, try to give it a ridiculous new spin, then awkwardly try to slide back
into your canned 'lynch mob' ranting" schtick. "Old and stale" doesn't even
begin to describe it Pat. It's just plain pitiful.
Here's reality: I thoroughly destroyed all of your idiotic
lies/misrepresentations/misconceptions in the article you snipped in its
entirety. You can't dispute a single word of it or you'd be doing so
instead of just jabbering about nothing. I also provided you with a simple
explanation for what actually happened. Again you can't dispute a single
word of it or you'd be doing so instead of aimlessly wasting bandwidth
repeating the same old canned nothing. Your role in the laughable "German
passport" fiasco has officially ended. Like preeen and [crazybob], I shoved
all of your lies/delusions/misrepresentations right back into your gaping
maw, and you just swallowed them right back down without a peep of protest.
If you ever summon up any rational rebuttal for any of it, let me know.
Until then, your silly babble about "German passports" will just draw the
laughter and derision it so richly deserves.
<same old repetitive canned bullshit deleted>
Thomas P. Jabine
Prien <pr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>From: mag...@unforgettable.com (NKC)
>>Date: 3/8/2000 10:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
>>Message-id: <38c71bd2...@news.mindsp
>
>notes that some NoJ wrote about quote in L&V book:
>>>(how many times do I have to remind you morons of that, [herr bob]?) and he
>>>can misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes how the hell ever he wants
>>>to misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes. One sentence written by
>>>Dan E. Moldea does not alter reality.
>>
>Det. Tom Lange and Det. Philip Vannater as told to Dan E. Moldea. In their
>preface, they clearly assume responsibility for the content of the book.
>Therefore, whether they told the story, gave them their written notes, and
>however they discussed it with him, and assert in the preface (signed by them)
>that we have reconstructed in Part One of our book the five-day period between
>June 13 and June 17" which unquestionably includes the discovery of the
>passport and its use in identifying Nicole.
>
>So this NoJ's lame and lamebrained effort to palm this off on Moldea is just
>garbage.
>NKC, this scum doesn't even have broken reeds to cling to any more.
So if Simpson said in a book that he was a really good liar, the fact
that he had a ghostwriter wouldn't cause you to discount that in the
slightest, right?
Thomas P. Jabine
John Griffin <hilb...@bigger.aa.net> wrote:
>NKC <mag...@unforgettable.com> wrote:
>>On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 22:15:08 -1000, mo...@mmw-gbg.net (confused) wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>>So now we return to the question that miller and prien keep running
>>>from...If it was her passport, was it any more unusual than simpson
>>>carrying his when he was arrested?
>
>>"more" or "less" "unusual" is NOT THE FUCKING ISSUE here. There is no
>>moral value being placed on whether Nicole had her passport in her
>>purse, nor is there a contest for what is "unusual"...even though
>>single-cell-brained no-j's try to argue that we are posing that by
>>raising this question.
>> This is the ISSUE: that the victim might have been ready for
>>flight or identification may have probative value, given that she was
>>murdered under some extreme circumstances, even for murder.
>> That OJ Simpson had his own passport on him may be tied to why
>>she had hers on her. And maybe it doesn't.
>
>she decided to carry a passport because she thought she might be able to
>escape his homicidal attachment by leaving the country, so she started
>carrying a passport. The vicious, lying, wife-beating, coke-snorting
>scumbag found out and started carrying his passport so he wouldn't be
>delayed in hunting her down and killing her. Okay, I just made that up -
>but you'll have to admit that it's far more plausible than anything
>crazybob or that incredibly stupid little chickenshit prien have
>suggested.
I can't believe you think that's a better explanation than [Reinhard
Gehlen][Herr Brown][Reinhard Gehlen][Herr Brown][Reinhard Gehlen][Herr
Brown][Reinhard Gehlen][Herr Brown][Reinhard Gehlen][Herr Brown][Reinhard
Gehlen][Herr Brown][Reinhard Gehlen][Herr Brown][Reinhard Gehlen][Herr
Brown][Reinhard Gehlen][Herr Brown][Reinhard Gehlen][Herr Brown][Reinhard
Gehlen][Herr Brown][Reinhard Gehlen][Herr Brown][Reinhard Gehlen][Herr
Brown][Reinhard Gehlen][Herr Brown][Reinhard Gehlen][Herr Brown].
je
town and country, large or small. Eye opening I bet.
Marlalinde
>From: lib...@webtv.net (je)
>Date: 03/09/2000 8:13 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <6302-38C...@storefull-154.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
>
Libtoo writes...
>I wonder what we might learn if we found those same statistics in every
>town and country, large or small. Eye opening I bet.
What in the hell are you talking about??????
Learn how to post, moron!! (i.e. quoting text)
Marla
Ron
struggled mightily......and failed miserably:
> Throughout the course of the criminal trial and later, the uncivil
>civil trial, the spector
Would that be Ronnie or Phil, Un baby?
<headache-inducing incomprehensible mishmash of whatever deleted>
Ron
(NKC) wrote:
>On 8 Mar 2000 09:21:40 -0500, tja...@polaris.umuc.edu (Thomas P.
>Jabine) wrote:
>
>>In article <38c5d143...@news.mindspring.com>,
That was yesterday. Since today is International Cretin's Day, I'll try to
help you out here.
>is it okay if I remind you that
>us women generally carry our purses?
There's that "generally" again. To you, everything is "in general", isn't
it Pat? (I mean as long as you're the one that gets to say what the
generalization is) Individual preferences/habits just plain don't exist
there in Pseudo-Communist Pattyland.
Try reading some books beside singularboscofreed, Pat. Wearing goddam shoes
was usually too much of a hassle for her. The thought of her always lugging
a purse around (BTW, what style would you recommend to compliment a flashy
ensemble consisting of shorts, tube top, and some shower shoes?) is
laughable, and so are you.
Ron
Preen ranted, raved, and stomped his feet:
>>From: mag...@unforgettable.com (NKC)
>>Date: 3/8/2000 10:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
>>Message-id: <38c71bd2...@news.mindsp
>
>notes that some NoJ wrote about quote in L&V book:
>>>>The passage in "Evidence Dismissed" was written by Dan E. Moldea, NOT LANGE
>>>(how many times do I have to remind you morons of that, [herr bob]?) and he
>>>can misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes how the hell ever he wants
>>>to misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes. One sentence written by
>>>Dan E. Moldea does not alter reality.
>>
>And the last time I looked (just seconds ago) the authorship is identified as:
>Det. Tom Lange and Det. Philip Vannater as told to Dan E. Moldea. In their
>preface, they clearly assume responsibility for the content of the book.
I just looked myself (just seconds ago) and can't seem to find any statement
that says "We read every single word in the book after Moldea got done
writing it, and made sure it was 100% error free--ESPECIALLY when it comes
to 3 word nits that some Hungarian illiterate calling himself preen may
fixate on 4 years from now." What page do I find that on preeeen?
>Therefore, whether they told the story, gave them their written notes, and
>however they discussed it with him, and assert in the preface (signed by them)
>that we have reconstructed in Part One of our book the five-day period between
>June 13 and June 17" which unquestionably includes the discovery of the
>passport and its use in identifying Nicole.
Preen, would you mind telling us what the fuck you're talking about? You've
already admitted that Nicole COULD NOT HAVE HELD A GERMAN PASSPORT,
remember? If you're agreeing that what they found was a passport, you're
admitting it was a US passport. Simple, isn't it?
>So this NoJ's lame and lamebrained effort to palm this off on Moldea is just
>garbage.
>
Oh? Why don't you show us another reference to German.....ANYTHING, by
anyone beside Moldea, anywhere beside that one sentence? How's about your
heroes singularboscofreed preeen? Between them, they had access to both the
REAL REPORTS and inside sources. Why didn't any of the professional
Butcher apologists--who picked every other irrelevant nit imaginable--ignore
the existence of these sinister "German citizenship papers" preeen?
I'll tell you why: they're nonexistent. Moldea simply misinterpreted what
was written in Langes notes.
You can throw tantrums about it from now until doomsday, but that will not
alter reality. There is no such animal as "german citizenship papers".
Nicole was identified from her passport. The only passport she held was a
US passport. End of story.
>NKC, this scum doesn't even have broken reeds to cling to any more.
I guess that one must be a Hungarian cliché. Still banal to the max, but at
least an impovement over the ancient American clichés you normally misuse.
John Griffin
>In article <38c74344$1...@huge.aa.net>,
>John Griffin <hilb...@bigger.aa.net> wrote:
Okay...but it's close!
Robert Miller
NKC wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 09:12:05 -0600, Ron <r...@maui1.to> wrote:
>
> >>The passage in "Evidence Dismissed" was written by Dan E. Moldea, NOT LANGE
> >(how many times do I have to remind you morons of that, [herr bob]?) and he
> >can misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes how the hell ever he wants
> >to misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes. One sentence written by
> >Dan E. Moldea does not alter reality.
>
> As much as there is a virtual Everest of Ronnieisms that I can poke
> fun at, this, Ron, is your all time best. Now you attempt to
> disqualify what the detective reportedly found because it was written
> by somebody else?
> This is like donkey ass Hilbilly saying that I am not allowed
> to speak about police misconduct unless I can report first hand
> experiences of being the victim of misconduct, with at least 2
> witnesses to back up that I was victimized.
> Yet when you organize a lynch party for this defendant known
> as OJ Simpson, all you need is some "evidence" brought to you by
> "police" that just happen to be of LAPD. Despite contradictions and
> the known practice of LAPD to fabricate evidence.
> Time for you guys to come up with something better, or else,
> stand like men and admit this Bundy homicide investigation is
> continuing.
[Nixie, you rule benevolently.]
Robert Miller
NKC wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:12:12 -0500, gopa...@erols.com (Cable Guise)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <38c5d143...@news.mindspring.com>, mag...@unforgettable.com
> >(NKC) wrote:
> >
>
> >> In her purse, Nicole had birth papers, or passport, or other
> >> kinds of papers linking her to Germany.
> >> So the question is not how laughable are your efforts to
> >> discredit Mister Bob, as entertaining as that topic is; but the
> >> question is: why would Nicole be carrying those documents at the time
> >> of her murder?
> >
> >Um, what difference does it make? I just did a search of my own pockets,
> >and I found a post-it note with reminder to tape a TV show, an fortune
> >cookie fortune and a folded paper napkin. If I were murdered on my way home
> >from work, these items MIGHT be vital to solving the case but I assure you
> >they would most likely be irrelevant.
>
> >Unless you wanted to make up some elaborate scenario to make my killer not
> >guilty of his crime....
>
> I hope you see that an investigation's purpose is not to pursue
> evidence against a favorite suspect, but to gather facts, emerge
> theories, and identify suspects. Once the suspect is charged, it is
> the legal obligation of the police to reveal all information that is
> exculpatory. [Clearly, this was one itsy bitsy LAPD violation, I'm
> sure it won't happen again.]
> >
> >:-)
[Nixie, you rule.]
Robert Miller
NKC wrote:
> On 8 Mar 2000 09:21:40 -0500, tja...@polaris.umuc.edu (Thomas P.
> Jabine) wrote:
>
> >In article <38c5d143...@news.mindspring.com>,
> >NKC <mag...@unforgettable.com> wrote:
> >>On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 12:32:51 -0600, Ron <r...@maui1.to> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>You seem to have "forgotten" that the reason *YOU*, [crazy bob miller]
> >>>unilaterally decided that she was actually carrying a German passport in her
> >>>purse (a fairy tale you repeated endlessly, as usual)
> >>
> >>since the investigator's report states:
> >>
> >> "...IDENTIFICATION AT THE SCENE WAS ESTABLISHED BY A
> >>PASSPORT..."
> >>
> >>and Lange and Vannatter say
> >>"After opening Nicole Brown's purse, which is found in
> >>her bedroom, Lange and Ratcliffe "officially" identify
> >>her through a driver's license and her German citizenship
> >>papers..."
> >>
> >>It is a viable speculation that when Ratcliffe said "passport" that's
> >>what was meant.
> >> BTW, stupid: many countries issue passports if one can verify
> >>direct descendancy from a parent born in that country, like one's
> >>mother. [Mexico is one of these countries. Therefore, even if one is
> >>born in the USA, if one's mother is from Mexico, one can have a
> >>Mexican passport.]
> >> In her purse, Nicole had birth papers, or passport, or other
> >>kinds of papers linking her to Germany.
> >> So the question is not how laughable are your efforts to
> >>discredit Mister Bob, as entertaining as that topic is; but the
> >>question is: why would Nicole be carrying those documents at the time
> >>of her murder?
> >
> >She wasn't carrying them, they were in her bedroom. Why wouldn't they be?
>
> Since it's International Women's Day, is it okay if I remind you that
> us women generally carry our purses?
[Birth certificates, passports, etc., are generally kept in a safe or perhaps
a safety deposit box. Lipstick, credit cards, cash, driver's license, those
things are carried in purses. But I'm willing to be corrected.
[How many women in the group are carrying their passports/German
citizenship papers in their purses now? And what are you planning to do
tomorrow?]
Robert Miller
NKC wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 22:15:08 -1000, mo...@mmw-gbg.net (confused) wrote:
>
> >
> >So now we return to the question that miller and prien keep running
> >from...If it was her passport, was it any more unusual than simpson
> >carrying his when he was arrested?
>
> "more" or "less" "unusual" is NOT THE FUCKING ISSUE here. There is no
> moral value being placed on whether Nicole had her passport in her
> purse, nor is there a contest for what is "unusual"...even though
> single-cell-brained no-j's try to argue that we are posing that by
> raising this question.
> This is the ISSUE: that the victim might have been ready for
> flight or identification may have probative value, given that she was
> murdered under some extreme circumstances, even for murder.
> That OJ Simpson had his own passport on him may be tied to why
> she had hers on her. And maybe it doesn't.
>
> >
[And, I might add, her papers were GERMAN. She had live almost
her entire life in AMERICA. Why would she remain GERMAN if she
lived in AMERICA since she was an infant? Since her father was
AMERICAN. Why would she consider herself GERMAN? Why
would she feel it necessary to be able to identify herself as GERMAN?
Just a curiosity, is all.]
Robert Miller
confused wrote:
> pr...@aol.com (Prien) wrote:
>
> >And the last time I looked (just seconds ago) the authorship is identified as:
> >Det. Tom Lange and Det. Philip Vannater as told to Dan E. Moldea. In their
> >preface, they clearly assume responsibility for the content of the book.
>
> Boy are you reading a lot into that. Why would to seasoned
> detectives refer to a passport as "German citizenship papers" rather
> than a passport. If it wasn't a passport, what are "German
> citizenship papers"? Why wouldn't the detectives refer to them by a
> "common" name? Why wouldn't the detectives go into more detail about
> "German citizenship papers" if there was anything unusual about it?
[Yeah, what's unusual about carrying around your German citizenship
papers? Nothing unusual about that. Here's mine, right here in my hip
pocket. A little tattered carrying them around since Momma came
over from K-Town when I was an infant (when I carried my German
citizenship papers in my diapers), but you just never know when you
might need them. Nothing at all unusual about carrying around your
German citizenship papers. Hey, confused, show us yours.]
Robert Miller
Prien wrote:
> >From: mag...@unforgettable.com (NKC)
> >Date: 3/8/2000 10:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <38c71bd2...@news.mindsp
>
> notes that some NoJ wrote about quote in L&V book:
> >>>The passage in "Evidence Dismissed" was written by Dan E. Moldea, NOT LANGE
> >>(how many times do I have to remind you morons of that, [herr bob]?) and he
> >>can misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes how the hell ever he wants
> >>to misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes. One sentence written by
> >>Dan E. Moldea does not alter reality.
> >
> And the last time I looked (just seconds ago) the authorship is identified as:
> Det. Tom Lange and Det. Philip Vannater as told to Dan E. Moldea. In their
> preface, they clearly assume responsibility for the content of the book.
> Therefore, whether they told the story, gave them their written notes, and
> however they discussed it with him, and assert in the preface (signed by them)
> that we have reconstructed in Part One of our book the five-day period between
> June 13 and June 17" which unquestionably includes the discovery of the
> passport and its use in identifying Nicole.
>
> So this NoJ's lame and lamebrained effort to palm this off on Moldea is just
> garbage.
> NKC, this scum doesn't even have broken reeds to cling to any more.
[This is not to excuse Dan Moldea. Considering his history as an
"investigative reporter," he's become a coverup artist. However, Prien,
you're right. Lange and Vannatter take full credit for the book. Now,
maybe Ron's got some kind of conspiracy theory where Moldea, Lange
and Vannatter lied about the citizenship papers... Oh, you wacky
conspiracy nuts!!!!]
Robert Miller
Ron wrote:
> In article <38C49300...@slip.net>,
>
> [weasel bob] travels back in time:
>
> >You know, there are explanations as to why Nicole
> >would have a passport on her, German or whathaveyou.
> >But I made an incorrect presumption. It was her
> >German citizenship papers.
> >
> There is no such animal as "German citizenship papers" and you know it, you
> stupid fucking asshole.
>
> You seem to have "forgotten" that the reason *YOU*, [crazy bob miller]
> unilaterally decided that she was actually carrying a German passport in her
> purse (a fairy tale you repeated endlessly, as usual) to begin with was that
> any number of people--among them expert-on-all-things-German
> Genocideral--finally succeeded in beating the fact that there was no such
> animal as "German citizenship papers" into your otherwise-empty skull.
>
> That was last year though, right Reinhard? Time to do what you're best
> known for--pretend it never happened and start the whole process all over
> again. As I've said a hundred times, you're a regular one-mailman circle
> jerk, [bobsco].
>
> <standard [reinhard gehlen] must be involved delusions deleted>
>
> Let's go back to the reason I decided to revisit this topic, shall we
> [cretin bob]? Fatso Ratcliffe plainly stated in her report
> "Identification was established at the scene by a passport." Do you see
> that. [crazy one]? PASSPORT. There is no ambiguity. PASSPORT. No
> 'citizenship papers' are involved. The only passport she could have held
> was a US passport. There is absolutely no doubt about that either.
>
> http://www.usvisa.com/dual_citizenship.htm
>
> The passage in "Evidence Dismissed" was written by Dan E. Moldea, NOT LANGE
> (how many times do I have to remind you morons of that, [herr bob]?) and he
> can misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes how the hell ever he wants
> to misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes. One sentence written by
> Dan E. Moldea does not alter reality. Nicole was identified from her
> passport, and there is no such animal as "German citizenship papers".
>
> Now, kindly go fuck yourself, [boring bob].
[Not only was I surprised that you carried your German citizenship papers,
but was amazed that you carried yours in your purse.]
Robert Miller
Ron wrote:
> Here's reality: I thoroughly destroyed all of your idiotic
> lies/misrepresentations/misconceptions in the article you snipped in its
> entirety.
> Until then, your silly babble about "German passports" will just draw the
> laughter and derision it so richly deserves.
>
[Mister Egan, may I see your papers? Planning on a trip soon,Mister Egan?]
Robert Miller
Ron wrote: Moldea simply misinterpreted what
> was written in Langes notes.
>
> There is no such animal as "german citizenship papers".
> Nicole was identified from her passport. The only passport she held was a
> US passport. End of story.
>
[You know how it is. A cop writes U.S. passport in his notes. Adumbshit ghostwriter
immediately assumes that he meant "German
citizenship papers."
[May we ask you, Ron, kind sir, what your citation is for Nicole holding
only a U.S. passport? You seem to be pretty sure on this. I am sure
your confidence in this matter is justified by your research.]
Robert Miller
John Griffin wrote: Anyway, it's pretty clear that the "German citizenship papers"
thing
> is no more meaningful than any other item they found in her purse.
> Your leap to the conclusion that whatever was misidentified in that
> hasty inspection was important to her is as funny as that old show.
> They were only interested in identifying the carcass, not doing an
> evidence inventory.
[Your passport, please.]
Robert Miller
Thomas P. Jabine wrote:
> In article <20000309005518...@ng-fa1.aol.com>,
> Prien <pr...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>From: mag...@unforgettable.com (NKC)
> >>Date: 3/8/2000 10:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >>Message-id: <38c71bd2...@news.mindsp
> >
> >notes that some NoJ wrote about quote in L&V book:
> >>>>The passage in "Evidence Dismissed" was written by Dan E. Moldea, NOT LANGE
> >>>(how many times do I have to remind you morons of that, [herr bob]?) and he
> >>>can misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes how the hell ever he wants
> >>>to misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes. One sentence written by
> >>>Dan E. Moldea does not alter reality.
> >>
> >And the last time I looked (just seconds ago) the authorship is identified as:
> >Det. Tom Lange and Det. Philip Vannater as told to Dan E. Moldea. In their
> >preface, they clearly assume responsibility for the content of the book.
> >Therefore, whether they told the story, gave them their written notes, and
> >however they discussed it with him, and assert in the preface (signed by them)
> >that we have reconstructed in Part One of our book the five-day period between
> >June 13 and June 17" which unquestionably includes the discovery of the
> >passport and its use in identifying Nicole.
> >
> >So this NoJ's lame and lamebrained effort to palm this off on Moldea is just
> >garbage.
> >NKC, this scum doesn't even have broken reeds to cling to any more.
>
> So if Simpson said in a book that he was a really good liar, the fact
> that he had a ghostwriter wouldn't cause you to discount that in the
> slightest, right?
[Was the book published in German and found in your purse?]
Robert Miller
Cable Guise wrote:
> In article <38c5d143...@news.mindspring.com>, mag...@unforgettable.com
> (NKC) wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 12:32:51 -0600, Ron <r...@maui1.to> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > >You seem to have "forgotten" that the reason *YOU*, [crazy bob miller]
> > >unilaterally decided that she was actually carrying a German passport in her
> > >purse (a fairy tale you repeated endlessly, as usual)
> >
> > since the investigator's report states:
> >
> > "...IDENTIFICATION AT THE SCENE WAS ESTABLISHED BY A
> > PASSPORT..."
> >
> > and Lange and Vannatter say
> > "After opening Nicole Brown's purse, which is found in
> > her bedroom, Lange and Ratcliffe "officially" identify
> > her through a driver's license and her German citizenship
> > papers..."
> >
> > It is a viable speculation that when Ratcliffe said "passport" that's
> > what was meant.
> > BTW, stupid: many countries issue passports if one can verify
> > direct descendancy from a parent born in that country, like one's
> > mother. [Mexico is one of these countries. Therefore, even if one is
> > born in the USA, if one's mother is from Mexico, one can have a
> > Mexican passport.]
> > In her purse, Nicole had birth papers, or passport, or other
> > kinds of papers linking her to Germany.
> > So the question is not how laughable are your efforts to
> > discredit Mister Bob, as entertaining as that topic is; but the
> > question is: why would Nicole be carrying those documents at the time
> > of her murder?
>
> Um, what difference does it make? I just did a search of my own pockets,
> and I found a post-it note with reminder to tape a TV show, an fortune
> cookie fortune and a folded paper napkin. If I were murdered on my way home
> from work, these items MIGHT be vital to solving the case but I assure you
> they would most likely be irrelevant.
>
> Unless you wanted to make up some elaborate scenario to make my killer not
> guilty of his crime....
>
> :-)
[How about if you were murdered on the way home and you were carryingyour German
citizenship papers/German passport? And you'd lived in California
since you were an infant? Least bit curious why you were packing a foreign
passport on the night of your demise?]
Robert Miller
confused wrote:
> Robert Miller <mil...@slip.net> wrote:
>
> >[What are German citizenship papers?
>
> "So the question shouldn't be why she had her German
> passport with her. The question should be:
>
> WHY WOULD A WOMAN WHO'S LIVED ALMOST
> HER ENTIRE LIFE IN AMERICA BE CARRYING
> AROUND HER GERMAN CITIZENSHIP PAPERS IN
> HER PURSE?"
>
> Were you not going to explain this to us?
>
> >What did the LAPD find in her purse? Well, if they are legal documents
> >establishing her German citizenship, I guess that would qualify as
> >citizenship papers, although the fact that what they were were never
> >more developed by the otherwise prying media is curious, again by its
> >absence.
>
> Oh come on now Bob, let's not change the subject. Did they find some
> papers that German citizens are given that American citizens are
> not? Don't you find it interesting that our government is denying us
> some paperwork that proves which of us are citizens?
>
> >The papers were important enough for Nicole to possess in her purse.
> >How come?
>
> Well Bob, If you would tell us what these papers were, we could
> answer your question. You have suggested that "German citizenship
> papers" are not a passport. So what are they?
>
> >considering that she must have had some reason to have them in her purse
> >prior to her bloody murder.]
>
> If you tell us what they are, we'll tell you why she has them.
[Show me your German passport and I'll show you mine.]
confused
>confused wrote:
>> If you tell us what they are, we'll tell you why she has them.
>
> [Show me your German passport and I'll show you mine.]
So you have settled on a passport, fine. Show me a passport from the
nation you are a citizen of and I'll show you mine. Since I'm
American I can only show you an American passport. What about you?
confused
> [And, I might add, her papers were GERMAN. She had live almost
>her entire life in AMERICA. Why would she remain GERMAN if she
>lived in AMERICA since she was an infant? Since her father was
>AMERICAN. Why would she consider herself GERMAN? Why
>would she feel it necessary to be able to identify herself as GERMAN?
>Just a curiosity, is all.]
You have got to be kidding! This question from someone that posts in
a group has members which constantly identify themselfs as
"africans" or "latin" but were not born there.
What, aren't "whites" allowed to retain their cultural heritage?
confused
>[How many women in the group are carrying their passports/German
>citizenship papers in their purses now? And what are you planning to do
>tomorrow?]
How many men carry their passport when they visit the grave of their
victim?
confused
>confused wrote:
>> Boy are you reading a lot into that. Why would to seasoned
>> detectives refer to a passport as "German citizenship papers" rather
>> than a passport. If it wasn't a passport, what are "German
>> citizenship papers"? Why wouldn't the detectives refer to them by a
>> "common" name? Why wouldn't the detectives go into more detail about
>> "German citizenship papers" if there was anything unusual about it?
>
> [Yeah, what's unusual about carrying around your German citizenship
>papers? Nothing unusual about that.
So why are you making a big deal about it.
>Here's mine, right here in my hip pocket.
Were you born in Germany?
>Nothing at all unusual about carrying around your
>German citizenship papers.
Glad you finally understand that.
>Hey, confused, show us yours.]
I can show you my American passport since I was born here.
confused
>Since Mo-Ron says you can't have a German passport while you are a US
>citizen, perhaps her German passport was fake.
At the best, it may have been invalid.
>That would certainly be a weird twist, wouldn't it.
Wouldn't it have been even weirder if she hadn't bothered to get
naturalized until a few days before the murder? Gee, maybe she did
it because simpson threatened to turn her into the INS now that they
were divorced. Maybe that was the reason he killed her! He had
always had her citizenship as his ace in the hole, and she screwed
him! We know that he threatened to turn her into the IRS, this is an
easy leap.
<Hey, it is fun to prienize! Just come up with the stupidest thing
you can and run with it!>
Gee, we can keep going on with this, or we can assume that the
author made a mistake.
confused
> [Not only was I surprised that you carried your German citizenship papers,
>but was amazed that you carried yours in your purse.]
Why? You carry yours in your diapers. Shall I repost the quote?
NKC
wrote:
Since Mo-Ron says you can't have a German passport while you are a US
citizen, perhaps her German passport was fake. That would certainly
John Griffin
Weird? The cretins are building a monster phantasmagoria out of a vague
and informal remark that one of the cops is alleged to have made.
Meanwhile, the same cretins will excitedly tell you that everything the
guy ever said or wrote was a lie. There's some weird for you.
I wish you fools would get on with the main course here. Why not
just write some "so whats" anyway, even though you aren't getting
anywhere with understanding any of this. You'll know it's a sham,
we'll know it's a sham, so we'll be entertained and you will done
your duty by entertaining us.
By the way, Patty, try one of those experiment things that we used
to hear a lot about in this newsgroup:
1. Open your U.S. passport to the page with a picture on it.
Don't start staring at the old picture and getting maudline on us.
2. Look at the facing page, in a little box labeled "Birthplace."
3. Say "oh...fuck..."
(Continue step 2 as long as necessary - step 3 will follow automatically)
Try to find a better explanation for the "confusion." Give yourself a
treat. Don't suppress your laughter when prien starts squalling that
there's no way the cops could have made an elementary miscontruction, and
they were incapable of doing anything right anyway, and crazy starts
telling us some demented story like there's an assassin who leaves fake
passports on his victims instead of the ace of spades or a feather.
Anyway, the whole thing is about as significant as a typo, but if I were
you I'd make sure to get a little card or something that says "So it says
Cuba right next to my picture. BFD. That does not make this passport
Cuban citizenship papers!"
Thomas P. Jabine
>
>
>NKC wrote:
>
>> On 8 Mar 2000 09:21:40 -0500, tja...@polaris.umuc.edu (Thomas P.
>>
>> Since it's International Women's Day, is it okay if I remind you that
>> us women generally carry our purses?
>
> [Birth certificates, passports, etc., are generally kept in a safe or perhaps
>a safety deposit box. Lipstick, credit cards, cash, driver's license, those
>things are carried in purses. But I'm willing to be corrected.
>
>citizenship papers in their purses now? And what are you planning to do
>tomorrow?]
Simpson was carrying his when he drove away from police after agreeing to
submit to arrest. What do you think he was planning to do, Bob?
John Griffin
> [Your passport, please.]
It would confuse the hell out of you, if it weren't too late for that.
You'd look at the page next to my picture and say "Aha! You're Reinhard
Gehlen's cousin and these are your Arkansas citizenship papers!"...just as
someone apparently did when he saw "Germany" in that little block that
says "Birthplace" on Nicole's passport.
The "[passport please]" thing was a really bad idea. Apparently you think
it's clever or something, since you've actually been lame enough to repeat
it a dozen times today. That's really weird.
John Griffin
>>confused wrote:
It's because he's unable to acknowledge or conceive of any simple,
innocent explanation for this or anything else. I think I'll post it in
[crazybob] style, appending it to every article where I see "[passport,
please]" for the next three days. After that, I'll try to explain to the
cretins how this could have led to that meaningless misstatement during
the hasty inspection when they were just trying to identify the corpse.
{Birthplace:Germany [next to picture in U.S. passport]}
MIRSE
>From: mo...@mmw-gbg.net (confused)
>Date: 3/10/00 3:22 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id:
>confused wrote:
**********
Nicole's "German passport:" I'm more concerned when persons with German
accents and German names have Argentinian passports, and they claim they have
lived all their lives in Argentina, but they can barely speak Spanish.
Mi...@aol.com
Thomas P. Jabine
Ron
mag...@unforgettable.com (NKC) wrote:
>On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 22:39:51 -0800, Robert Miller <mil...@slip.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Ron wrote: Moldea simply misinterpreted what
>>
>>> was written in Langes notes.
>>>
>>> There is no such animal as "german citizenship papers".
>>> Nicole was identified from her passport. The only passport she held was a
>>> US passport. End of story.
>>>
>>
>>[You know how it is. A cop writes U.S. passport in his notes. Adumbshit ghostwriter
>>immediately assumes that he meant "German
>>citizenship papers."
>>
>>[May we ask you, Ron, kind sir, what your citation is for Nicole holding
>>only a U.S. passport? You seem to be pretty sure on this. I am sure
>>your confidence in this matter is justified by your research.]
>
>Since Mo-Ron says you can't have a German passport while you are a US
>citizen,
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnn...............
A day's just not a day without a few blatant lies, eh Cow-Patty? *I* don't
say shit: the German government says so, and you know it.
http://www.usvisa.com/dual_citizenship.htm
> perhaps her German passport was fake. That would certainly
>be a weird twist, wouldn't it.
>>
It sure took you long enough to get around to that, Pat. If I grazed on the
simpsonlicker side of the fence, I'd have thrown that one out there the
moment it became obvious that there's no way in hell she could have held one
legally. Though beyond ludicrous, that fantasy stands head and shoulders
above the rest of your fatuous bullshit. It's at least funny.
The bands of your mental transmission are obviously loose and slipping
badly. I suggest that you visit your nearest cranial AAmco shop ASAP.
Ron
wrote:
>
>
>Ron wrote:
>
>> In article <38C49300...@slip.net>,
>>
>> [weasel bob] travels back in time:
>>
>> >You know, there are explanations as to why Nicole
>> >would have a passport on her, German or whathaveyou.
>> >But I made an incorrect presumption. It was her
>> >German citizenship papers.
>> >
>> There is no such animal as "German citizenship papers" and you know it, you
>> stupid fucking asshole.
>>
>> You seem to have "forgotten" that the reason *YOU*, [crazy bob miller]
>> unilaterally decided that she was actually carrying a German passport in her
>> purse (a fairy tale you repeated endlessly, as usual) to begin with was that
>> any number of people--among them expert-on-all-things-German
>> Genocideral--finally succeeded in beating the fact that there was no such
>> animal as "German citizenship papers" into your otherwise-empty skull.
>>
>> That was last year though, right Reinhard? Time to do what you're best
>> known for--pretend it never happened and start the whole process all over
>> again. As I've said a hundred times, you're a regular one-mailman circle
>> jerk, [bobsco].
>>
>> <standard [reinhard gehlen] must be involved delusions deleted>
>>
>> Let's go back to the reason I decided to revisit this topic, shall we
>> [cretin bob]? Fatso Ratcliffe plainly stated in her report
>> "Identification was established at the scene by a passport." Do you see
>> that. [crazy one]? PASSPORT. There is no ambiguity. PASSPORT. No
>> 'citizenship papers' are involved. The only passport she could have held
>> was a US passport. There is absolutely no doubt about that either.
>>
>> http://www.usvisa.com/dual_citizenship.htm
>>
>> The passage in "Evidence Dismissed" was written by Dan E. Moldea, NOT LANGE
>> (how many times do I have to remind you morons of that, [herr bob]?) and he
>> can misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes how the hell ever he wants
>> to misinterpret Lange's rough crime scene notes. One sentence written by
>> Dan E. Moldea does not alter reality. Nicole was identified from her
>> passport, and there is no such animal as "German citizenship papers".
>>
>> Now, kindly go fuck yourself, [boring bob].
>
> [Not only was I surprised that you carried your German citizenship papers,
>but was amazed that you carried yours in your purse.]
Wow! That was just so astoninshingly.........stupid, [bobsco]. I mean
really, really, lame. An excellent example of why you're widely regarded
as the biggest waste of time on Usenet: pointless, ignorant, and
oh-so-boring.
Ron
wrote:
>NKC <mag...@unforgettable.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 22:39:51 -0800, Robert Miller <mil...@slip.net>
>>wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>>Ron wrote: Moldea simply misinterpreted what
>>>
>>>> was written in Langes notes.
>>>>
>>>> There is no such animal as "german citizenship papers".
>>>> Nicole was identified from her passport. The only passport she held was a
>>>> US passport. End of story.
>>>>
>>>
>>>[You know how it is. A cop writes U.S. passport in his notes. Adumbshit ghostwriter
>>>immediately assumes that he meant "German
>>>citizenship papers."
>>>
>>>[May we ask you, Ron, kind sir, what your citation is for Nicole holding
>>>only a U.S. passport? You seem to be pretty sure on this. I am sure
>>>your confidence in this matter is justified by your research.]
>
>>Since Mo-Ron says you can't have a German passport while you are a US
>>citizen, perhaps her German passport was fake. That would certainly
>>be a weird twist, wouldn't it.
>>>
>
Pat didn't seem to care much for this experiment when I suggested it, but
maybe you'll have better luck. If not, we'll have to work on a way to
brainwash her into replacing "paint toenails" with "look at passport" in her
mini mental debate arsenal.
That's a simpsonlicker for ya. Why look at the answer that's right in front
of your face when you can just continue to ask the same stupid question?
Ron
wrote:
>
>
>Ron wrote: Moldea simply misinterpreted what
>
>> was written in Langes notes.
>>
>> There is no such animal as "german citizenship papers".
>> Nicole was identified from her passport. The only passport she held was a
>> US passport. End of story.
>>
>
>[You know how it is. A cop writes U.S. passport in his notes. Adumbshit ghostwriter
>immediately assumes that he meant "German
>citizenship papers."
>
I've already gone over that 10 times, [boring bob]. Grow the fuck up.
>[May we ask you, Ron, kind sir, what your citation is for Nicole holding
>only a U.S. passport? You seem to be pretty sure on this. I am sure
>your confidence in this matter is justified by your research.]
Unlike [you] it certainly is, [droning nuisance bob] and I've posted URLs to
back it up a dozen times or so. Have you checked them out, [ignorant bob]?
No? I didn't think so. Have you done any research of you own, [useless
bob]? No? I didn't think so. Why don't you just ask your pal preeen,
[ignorant bob]? After a brief chat with the German ambassador in his head,
even that delusional nutcase had to throw in the towel on this one.
Stop wasting my time and go sort your mail [drone].
John Griffin
>In article <38c8ae9b$1...@huge.aa.net>, John Griffin <hilb...@bigger.aa.net>
>wrote:
>>NKC <mag...@unforgettable.com> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 22:39:51 -0800, Robert Miller <mil...@slip.net>
>>>wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ron wrote: Moldea simply misinterpreted what
>>>>
>>>>> was written in Langes notes.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no such animal as "german citizenship papers".
>>>>> Nicole was identified from her passport. The only passport she held was a
>>>>> US passport. End of story.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>[You know how it is. A cop writes U.S. passport in his notes. Adumbshit ghostwriter
>>>>immediately assumes that he meant "German
>>>>citizenship papers."
>>>>
>>>>[May we ask you, Ron, kind sir, what your citation is for Nicole holding
>>>>only a U.S. passport? You seem to be pretty sure on this. I am sure
>>>>your confidence in this matter is justified by your research.]
>>
The amazing thing is that the cretins continue to hallucinate all kinds of
wild, sinister stories loosely based on this thing that's so trivially
explained. This is a dramatic illustration of how the cretins can
humiliate themselves by disdaining that principle of parsimony thing.
I'm really disappointed and surprised to hear that Patty has been aware of
the explanation all this time, but hasn't decided to renounce her Simpson
cult allegiance. On the other hand, it sure as hell would be fun to see
the cretins try to fill in the blanks between "someone said Nicole had
German citizenship papers" and "therefore Simpson didn't do it." I guess
I'll have to wait until one of them notices that a few steps are missing
from that argument.
John Griffin
>On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 22:26:43 -1000, mo...@mmw-gbg.net (confused) wrote:
>boy you really slipped on the banana peel with this one, confused.
>First of all, calling yourself "African" is used as a prefix as in
>African American, African Latino, referring to racial heritage. Have
>you ever seen an African American passport, or citizenship papers?
> "Latin" is a term for people from the Americas who share some
>racial and cultural traits, like the Spanish language, for example.
>Have you ever seen a Latin passport?
> "European" when used as a prefix as in European American is,
>well, I think you get the picture by now ... ever seen a European
>American passport or "white" passport or white citizenship papers?
> Germans are not a race. "German" is a nationality. Hence you
>have a passport to identify your nationality, and "citizenship papers"
>to identify your citizenship of that country.
> BTW, confused, one more thing: you don't have to be "white"
>to be German. Much to the anguish of many Germans, as we all know.
Patty, we'll let you try again. That was pitiful. Go out and get some
air to clear your head. Watch out for Irish, Germans, Chinese, Koreans,
Limeys, Mexicans, Indians, Russians, Japanese, Egyptians, white Africans,
black Africans, Andorrans, Georgians, Turks, Spaniards, Samoans and Frogs,
though. There are some of each just about everywhere you look...except
Japan, which discourages anything that might upset the jealously guarded
homogeneity of their society.
Incidentally...crazybob's comments above were remarkably dumb,
even for him. Since your first attempt here was so poor, why
not spend the time telling him where he went wrong?
John Griffin
>On 10 Mar 2000 19:29:48 -0800, John Griffin <hilb...@bigger.aa.net>
>wrote:
>translation: &%^@*&^!! damn!!! she's right again!!!
So, you think the crazy cretin is pretty brilliant, failing to understand
that the silly "issue" is settled by simply noting that it says "Germany"
next to her picture in the passport?
Some day you might be right again, making it an even once.
confused
>On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 22:26:43 -1000, mo...@mmw-gbg.net (confused) wrote:
>
>>Robert Miller <mil...@slip.net> wrote:
>>
>>> [And, I might add, her papers were GERMAN. She had live almost
>>>her entire life in AMERICA. Why would she remain GERMAN if she
>>>lived in AMERICA since she was an infant? Since her father was
>>>AMERICAN. Why would she consider herself GERMAN? Why
>>>would she feel it necessary to be able to identify herself as GERMAN?
>>>Just a curiosity, is all.]
>>
>>You have got to be kidding! This question from someone that posts in
>>a group has members which constantly identify themselfs as
>>"africans" or "latin" but were not born there.
>>
>>What, aren't "whites" allowed to retain their cultural heritage?
>
>boy you really slipped on the banana peel with this one, confused.
Let's see if we start from where I was starting from. Miller asked-
"Why would she feel it necessary to be able to identify herself
as GERMAN?"
>First of all, calling yourself "African" is used as a prefix as in
>African American, African Latino, referring to racial heritage.
And they feel it a necessity to do so?
>Have you ever seen an African American passport, or citizenship papers?
> "Latin" is a term for people from the Americas who share some
>racial and cultural traits, like the Spanish language, for example.
>Have you ever seen a Latin passport?
That wasn't what was addressed here. What was being addressed was
miller's statement about identifying one to a culture.
> "European" when used as a prefix as in European American is,
>well, I think you get the picture by now ... ever seen a European
>American passport or "white" passport or white citizenship papers?
> Germans are not a race. "German" is a nationality.
"Latino" also isn't a race, neither is Judism, yet members of those
groups maintain ties to their cultures, without miller questioning
it.
>Hence you have a passport to identify your nationality, and
>"citizenship papers" to identify your citizenship of that country.
No one is arguing that. You will not find anything on your passport
that says that you are anything other than an American, no matter
how much you wish to hyphenate. Whether one wishes to keep touch
with their roots is a personal choice.
>BTW, confused, one more thing: you don't have to be "white"
>to be German. Much to the anguish of many Germans, as we all know.
And you don't have to be black to be african. Much to the anguish of
racist of color.
Robert Miller
NKC wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 22:39:51 -0800, Robert Miller <mil...@slip.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Ron wrote: Moldea simply misinterpreted what
> >
> >> was written in Langes notes.
> >>
> >> There is no such animal as "german citizenship papers".
> >> Nicole was identified from her passport. The only passport she held was a
> >> US passport. End of story.
> >>
> >
> >[You know how it is. A cop writes U.S. passport in his notes. Adumbshit ghostwriter
> >immediately assumes that he meant "German
> >citizenship papers."
> >
> >[May we ask you, Ron, kind sir, what your citation is for Nicole holding
> >only a U.S. passport? You seem to be pretty sure on this. I am sure
> >your confidence in this matter is justified by your research.]
>
> Since Mo-Ron says you can't have a German passport while you are a US
> citizen, perhaps her German passport was fake. That would certainly
> be a weird twist, wouldn't it.
> >
[What a card, that Nicole! What humor! A German passport!]
Robert Miller
John Griffin wrote:
[Do they write German passports in English, US passports in German?
Or can't veteran police detectives tell the difference?]
John Griffin
>John Griffin wrote:
Cretin. It was a U.S. passport. It didn't say Deutschland.
This simple stuff is way too complicated for you. I'm glad to see you
sticking up for those detectives, but really, they don't need it. One of
them happened to see "Germany" when he looked at the picture. That's all
there is to the idiotic flap about "German citizenship papers." I'm sure
you have a "better," i.e., more entertaining, fact-free and demented,
idea.
Ron
wrote:
>Robert Miller <mil...@slip.net> wrote:
>
>
>>John Griffin wrote: Anyway, it's pretty clear that the "German citizenship papers"
>>thing
>
>>> is no more meaningful than any other item they found in her purse.
>>> Your leap to the conclusion that whatever was misidentified in that
>>> hasty inspection was important to her is as funny as that old show.
>>> They were only interested in identifying the carcass, not doing an
>>> evidence inventory.
>
>> [Your passport, please.]
>
>It would confuse the hell out of you, if it weren't too late for that.
>You'd look at the page next to my picture and say "Aha! You're Reinhard
>Gehlen's cousin and these are your Arkansas citizenship papers!"...just as
>someone apparently did when he saw "Germany" in that little block that
>says "Birthplace" on Nicole's passport.
>
>The "[passport please]" thing was a really bad idea. Apparently you think
>it's clever or something, since you've actually been lame enough to repeat
>it a dozen times today. That's really weird.
I think [boob] was at the schnapps last night.
confused
>This simple stuff is way too complicated for you. I'm glad to see you
>sticking up for those detectives, but really, they don't need it. One of
>them happened to see "Germany" when he looked at the picture. That's all
>there is to the idiotic flap about "German citizenship papers."
That may actually explain it. They found her passport, and in their
notes wrote something like-
"Identity established by passport and other papers
Nicole Brown Simpson
born in Germany, citizenship assumed America."
And the ghost writer Prienized it into "German citizenship papers."
NKC
>Robert Miller <mil...@slip.net> wrote:
>
>> [And, I might add, her papers were GERMAN. She had live almost
>>her entire life in AMERICA. Why would she remain GERMAN if she
>>lived in AMERICA since she was an infant? Since her father was
>>AMERICAN. Why would she consider herself GERMAN? Why
>>would she feel it necessary to be able to identify herself as GERMAN?
>>Just a curiosity, is all.]
>
>You have got to be kidding! This question from someone that posts in
>a group has members which constantly identify themselfs as
>"africans" or "latin" but were not born there.
>
>What, aren't "whites" allowed to retain their cultural heritage?
boy you really slipped on the banana peel with this one, confused.
First of all, calling yourself "African" is used as a prefix as in
African American, African Latino, referring to racial heritage. Have
you ever seen an African American passport, or citizenship papers?
"Latin" is a term for people from the Americas who share some
racial and cultural traits, like the Spanish language, for example.
Have you ever seen a Latin passport?
"European" when used as a prefix as in European American is,
well, I think you get the picture by now ... ever seen a European
American passport or "white" passport or white citizenship papers?
Germans are not a race. "German" is a nationality. Hence you
have a passport to identify your nationality, and "citizenship papers"
to identify your citizenship of that country.
ThePuppetMaster
wrote:
And idiot, moron, cretin is a prefix which both precedes and proceeds
Maguey.
NKC
Puppet, it's Friday night. Aren't you supposed to be out executing
juveniles?
NKC
ThePuppetMaster
wrote:
>On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:26:12 GMT, ThePuppetMaster
><ThePupp...@Mail.Com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:03:26 GMT, mag...@unforgettable.com (NKC)
>>And idiot, moron, cretin is a prefix which both precedes and proceeds
>>Maguey.
>
>Puppet, it's Friday night. Aren't you supposed to be out executing
>juveniles?
Normally yes, but seeing as how I'm off for a four day ski trip to
Colorado in the afternoon, I decided that I'd take the night off and
play with you cretins for a while. It's going to be hard not reading
your pitiful racist posts for a few days but I'm consoling myself with
the knowledge that they'll all be here when I get back Wednesday
night. Of course I'll have to go round up a few juvenile offenders to
prosecute as adults first but hell that's easy.
Duane
Wow. You are really stupid.
Duane
Lyynn69520
>Date: 3/10/00 10:39 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <38c9bfe4....@news.mindspring.com>
>
>On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:26:12 GMT, ThePuppetMaster
><ThePupp...@Mail.Com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:03:26 GMT, mag...@unforgettable.com (NKC)
>>Maguey.
>
>Puppet, it's Friday night. Aren't you supposed to be out executing
>juveniles?
>
>
What an excellent point!
Not to worry tho cause paybacks a bitch and within five-ten years the 16 year
olds put in the adult pop will be out free filled with lots more rage and
better killing and raping skills...and they LIVE to hunt down his type.
Lyynn
Ron
wrote:
>
>
>Ron wrote:
>
>> Here's reality: I thoroughly destroyed all of your idiotic
>> lies/misrepresentations/misconceptions in the article you snipped in its
>> entirety.
>> Until then, your silly babble about "German passports" will just draw the
>> laughter and derision it so richly deserves.
>>
>
>[Mister Egan, may I see your papers? Planning on a trip soon,Mister Egan?]
Ron
(confused) wrote:
I've been saying that ever since I saw the categorical "Identified by a
passport" on fatso Ratcliffe's report. In fact, that's the whole reason I
decided to bring up this non-issue again. What actually happened coudn't be
more obvious.
Funny thing: every time I offer that simple solution to the "mystery",
whichever moon-howling moron I happen to be addressing either snips it and
pretends it never happened, (Pat) or pretends it never happened period
(preen & [crazybob]).
Surprising, eh?
Ron
wrote:
>Ron <r...@maui1.to> wrote:
>>In article <38c8ae9b$1...@huge.aa.net>, John Griffin <hilb...@bigger.aa.net>
>>wrote:
>
>>>NKC <mag...@unforgettable.com> wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 22:39:51 -0800, Robert Miller <mil...@slip.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ron wrote: Moldea simply misinterpreted what
>>>>>
>>>>>> was written in Langes notes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no such animal as "german citizenship papers".
>>>>>> Nicole was identified from her passport. The only passport she held was a
>>>>>> US passport. End of story.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>[You know how it is. A cop writes U.S. passport in his notes. Adumbshit ghostwriter
>>>>>immediately assumes that he meant "German
>>>>>citizenship papers."
>>>>>
>>>>>[May we ask you, Ron, kind sir, what your citation is for Nicole holding
>>>>>only a U.S. passport? You seem to be pretty sure on this. I am sure
>>>>>your confidence in this matter is justified by your research.]
>>>
>>>>Since Mo-Ron says you can't have a German passport while you are a US
>>>>citizen, perhaps her German passport was fake. That would certainly
>>>>be a weird twist, wouldn't it.
>>>>>
>>>
Oh, I'm positive that she--as well as all the other simpsonlickers--is aware
of it alright. In Pat's case, what better proof could exist than the fact
that she snipped it (hell, she snipped all but one 'decontextualized'
paragraph, so you know she had zero rebuttal) when she "replied" with her
standard non-responsive canned bullshit?
> On the other hand, it sure as hell would be fun to see
>the cretins try to fill in the blanks between "someone said Nicole had
>German citizenship papers" and "therefore Simpson didn't do it." I guess
>I'll have to wait until one of them notices that a few steps are missing
>from that argument.
If they were to attempt that with this particular nit, it would be a truly
momentous occasion. They've never come anywhere close to trying it with any
of their other ditzy obsessions.
Thomas P. Jabine
Ron <Yourself. Nobody else cares.> wrote:
>In article <MPzJOO8U0I0XEc...@4ax.com>, mo...@mmw-gbg.net
>(confused) wrote:
>
>>John Griffin <hilb...@bigger.aa.net> wrote:
>>
>>>This simple stuff is way too complicated for you. I'm glad to see you
>>>sticking up for those detectives, but really, they don't need it. One of
>>>them happened to see "Germany" when he looked at the picture. That's all
>>>there is to the idiotic flap about "German citizenship papers."
>>
>>That may actually explain it. They found her passport, and in their
>>notes wrote something like-
>>
>> "Identity established by passport and other papers
>> Nicole Brown Simpson
>> born in Germany, citizenship assumed America."
>>
>>And the ghost writer Prienized it into "German citizenship papers."
>
>I've been saying that ever since I saw the categorical "Identified by a
>passport" on fatso Ratcliffe's report. In fact, that's the whole reason I
http://www.apbnews.com/media/celebnews/2000/03/01/ojdoc0301_03.html?currentPage=0002
Robert Miller
confused wrote:
> Robert Miller <mil...@slip.net> wrote:
>
> > [Not only was I surprised that you carried your German citizenship papers,
> >but was amazed that you carried yours in your purse.]
>
> Why? You carry yours in your diapers. Shall I repost the quote?
[Only as a baby. I carry my passport in my turban now. My citizenship
papers are in my right rear pocket.
[The point has been made, despite NoJ bluster. It is unusual for
people to be carrying around their passports when they don't have
plans on leaving the country. For years NoJs have used that
as reason to suggest OJ was planning on fleeing the country. Now
they are befuddled and strain for an explanation why, prior to her
death, Nicole was planning on leaving the country. And no one
has offered an explanation as to why she was still a German citizen.
[But that's Nojs' nature.]
Robert Miller
Thomas P. Jabine wrote:
> In article <38C8888...@slip.net>, Robert Miller <mil...@slip.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >NKC wrote:
> >
> >> On 8 Mar 2000 09:21:40 -0500, tja...@polaris.umuc.edu (Thomas P.
> >> Jabine) wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <38c5d143...@news.mindspring.com>,
> >> >NKC <mag...@unforgettable.com> wrote:
> >> >>On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 12:32:51 -0600, Ron <r...@maui1.to> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>You seem to have "forgotten" that the reason *YOU*, [crazy bob miller]
> >> >>>unilaterally decided that she was actually carrying a German passport in her
> >> >>>purse (a fairy tale you repeated endlessly, as usual)
> >> >>
> >> >>since the investigator's report states:
> >> >>
> >> >> "...IDENTIFICATION AT THE SCENE WAS ESTABLISHED BY A
> >> >>PASSPORT..."
> >> >>
> >> >>and Lange and Vannatter say
> >> >>"After opening Nicole Brown's purse, which is found in
> >> >>her bedroom, Lange and Ratcliffe "officially" identify
> >> >>her through a driver's license and her German citizenship
> >> >>papers..."
> >> >>
> >> >>It is a viable speculation that when Ratcliffe said "passport" that's
> >> >>what was meant.
> >> >> BTW, stupid: many countries issue passports if one can verify
> >> >>direct descendancy from a parent born in that country, like one's
> >> >>mother. [Mexico is one of these countries. Therefore, even if one is
> >> >>born in the USA, if one's mother is from Mexico, one can have a
> >> >>Mexican passport.]
> >> >> In her purse, Nicole had birth papers, or passport, or other
> >> >>kinds of papers linking her to Germany.
> >> >> So the question is not how laughable are your efforts to
> >> >>discredit Mister Bob, as entertaining as that topic is; but the
> >> >>question is: why would Nicole be carrying those documents at the time
> >> >>of her murder?
> >> >
> >> >She wasn't carrying them, they were in her bedroom. Why wouldn't they be?
> >>
> >> Since it's International Women's Day, is it okay if I remind you that
> >> us women generally carry our purses?
> >
> > [Birth certificates, passports, etc., are generally kept in a safe or perhaps
> >a safety deposit box. Lipstick, credit cards, cash, driver's license, those
> >things are carried in purses. But I'm willing to be corrected.
> >
> >[How many women in the group are carrying their passports/German
> >citizenship papers in their purses now? And what are you planning to do
> >tomorrow?]
>
> Simpson was carrying his when he drove away from police after agreeing to
> submit to arrest. What do you think he was planning to do, Bob?
[If Simpson was carrying his passport to get out of the country,
what was Nicole carrying her passport for? Are you saying that Simpson
wasn't considering fleeing, or are you saying that neither Nicole nor
Simpson were considering fleeing? Or, when you bring up this comparison,
are you saying that Simpson was considering fleeing but Nicole wasn't?
What is your point?]
Robert Miller
Ron wrote:
> In article <38C8926E...@slip.net>, Robert Miller <mil...@slip.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Ron wrote:
> >
> >> Here's reality: I thoroughly destroyed all of your idiotic
> >> lies/misrepresentations/misconceptions in the article you snipped in its
> >> entirety.
> >> Until then, your silly babble about "German passports" will just draw the
> >> laughter and derision it so richly deserves.
> >>
> >
> >[Mister Egan, may I see your papers? Planning on a trip soon,Mister Egan?]
> >
> Wow! That was just so astoninshingly.........stupid, [bobsco]. I mean
> really, really, lame. An excellent example of why you're widely regarded
> as the biggest waste of time on Usenet: pointless, ignorant, and
> oh-so-boring.
[Was that a "Yes, I carry my passport with me" or a "No, I don't
carry my passport with me"?]
Thomas P. Jabine
Robert Miller <mil...@slip.net> wrote:
>
>
>confused wrote:
>
>> Robert Miller <mil...@slip.net> wrote:
>>
>> > [Not only was I surprised that you carried your German citizenship papers,
>> >but was amazed that you carried yours in your purse.]
>>
>> Why? You carry yours in your diapers. Shall I repost the quote?
>
> [Only as a baby. I carry my passport in my turban now. My citizenship
>papers are in my right rear pocket.
>
>[The point has been made, despite NoJ bluster. It is unusual for
>people to be carrying around their passports when they don't have
>plans on leaving the country. For years NoJs have used that
>as reason to suggest OJ was planning on fleeing the country. Now
>they are befuddled and strain for an explanation why, prior to her
>death, Nicole was planning on leaving the country. And no one
Since you're apparently privy to Nicole's vacation plans, how about
letting the unwashed masses in on the secret?
>has offered an explanation as to why she was still a German citizen.
Bob, as one of the few people here who actually believes that she was
a German citizen, how come you haven't offered an explanation?
>[But that's Nojs' nature.]
You're a Noj?
Thomas P. Jabine
You mean there was a murder warrant out on Nicole too? That damn media
covers up everything, don't they? Gee whiz, it it wasn't for you, I might
have been fooled into thinking that she was just planning another trip
to Cabo or something.
confused
>[The point has been made, despite NoJ bluster. It is unusual for
>people to be carrying around their passports when they don't have
>plans on leaving the country.
So even though several people did claim to keep their passport
handy. And in the past when question about simpson's passport the
pro-j's poo-poo it, you wish to make it an issue.
>For years NoJs have used that as reason to suggest OJ was planning
>on fleeing the country. Now they are befuddled and strain for an
>explanation why, prior to her death, Nicole was planning on leaving
>the country.
Leaving the country is but one of the uses for a passport. Were you
privy to her plans the next day? Do you know that she had no reason
to have a passport in her purse in her home?
>And no one has offered an explanation as to why she was
>still a German citizen.
You are the only one that claims that she is.
Ron
wrote:
>
>
>Ron wrote:
>
>> In article <38C8926E...@slip.net>, Robert Miller <mil...@slip.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Ron wrote:
>> >
>> >> Here's reality: I thoroughly destroyed all of your idiotic
>> >> lies/misrepresentations/misconceptions in the article you snipped in its
>> >> entirety.
>> >> Until then, your silly babble about "German passports" will just draw the
>> >> laughter and derision it so richly deserves.
>> >>
>> >
>> >[Mister Egan, may I see your papers? Planning on a trip soon,Mister Egan?]
>> >
>> Wow! That was just so astoninshingly.........stupid, [bobsco]. I mean
>> really, really, lame. An excellent example of why you're widely regarded
>> as the biggest waste of time on Usenet: pointless, ignorant, and
>> oh-so-boring.
>
>[Was that a "Yes, I carry my passport with me" or a "No, I don't
>carry my passport with me"?]
No, that was Wow! That was just so astoninshingly.........stupid, [bobsco].
I mean really, really, lame. An excellent example of why you're widely
regarded as the biggest waste of time on Usenet: pointless, ignorant, and
oh-so-boring.
"Pass the crackpipe and then we can check outthe boys on the beach."
Robert C. Miller 10-18-99
Mark
>
> In article <38CBBC7C...@slip.net>,
> Robert Miller <mil...@slip.net> wrote:
> > [If Simpson was carrying his passport to get out of the country,
> >what was Nicole carrying her passport for? Are you saying that Simpson
> >wasn't considering fleeing, or are you saying that neither Nicole nor
> >Simpson were considering fleeing? Or, when you bring up this comparison,
> >are you saying that Simpson was considering fleeing but Nicole wasn't?
> >What is your point?]
>
> You mean there was a murder warrant out on Nicole too? That damn media
> covers up everything, don't they? Gee whiz, it it wasn't for you, I might
> have been fooled into thinking that she was just planning another trip
> to Cabo or something.
Christ, Miller has a brand new bag. Let's see: Nicole's passport was in
her "purse," which was in her house, which means she was planning on
fleeing the country? I shutter to think of the delusional ramifications
we'd hear about if that passport had been sitting near a glockenspiel.
It's obvious Miller has had little contact with women. A women with one
"purse" is like Miller with only one secret decoder ring. As if it makes
a damn bit of difference, but it's way beyond Miller's comprehension
level to assume that Nicole had a "purse" specifically for travel.
Robert Miller
Thomas P. Jabine wrote:
> In article <38CBBC7C...@slip.net>,
> Robert Miller <mil...@slip.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Thomas P. Jabine wrote:
> >
> > [If Simpson was carrying his passport to get out of the country,
> >what was Nicole carrying her passport for? Are you saying that Simpson
> >wasn't considering fleeing, or are you saying that neither Nicole nor
> >Simpson were considering fleeing? Or, when you bring up this comparison,
> >are you saying that Simpson was considering fleeing but Nicole wasn't?
> >What is your point?]
>
> You mean there was a murder warrant out on Nicole too? That damn media
> covers up everything, don't they? Gee whiz, it it wasn't for you, I might
> have been fooled into thinking that she was just planning another trip
> to Cabo or something.
[You don't have to have a passport in your purse to plan a trip. And, yes,
there was apparently some contract out on her. And that she had her
GERMAN passport handy suggests strongly that she had an inkling
too.]
Robert Miller
Ron wrote:
> >> >
> >> >[Mister Egan, may I see your papers? Planning on a trip soon,Mister Egan?]
> >> >
> >> Wow! That was just so astoninshingly.........stupid, [bobsco]. I mean
> >> really, really, lame. An excellent example of why you're widely regarded
> >> as the biggest waste of time on Usenet: pointless, ignorant, and
> >> oh-so-boring.
> >
> >[Was that a "Yes, I carry my passport with me" or a "No, I don't
> >carry my passport with me"?]
>
> No, that was Wow! That was just so astoninshingly.........stupid, [bobsco].
> I mean really, really, lame. An excellent example of why you're widely
> regarded as the biggest waste of time on Usenet: pointless, ignorant, and
> oh-so-boring.
>
[I guess that was a "No, I don't carry my passport with me when I go toa restaurant
on Sunday nights." Thank you for your candor and the courage
you've displayed here in honestly and forthrightly answering my question.]
Robert Miller
Thomas P. Jabine wrote:
> Since you're apparently privy to Nicole's vacation plans, how about
> letting the unwashed masses in on the secret?
>
>
> Bob, as one of the few people here who actually believes that she was
> a German citizen, how come you haven't offered an explanation?
>
>
[What do you believe? That when Ratcliffe identifies the papers as herpassport and
Lange and Vannatter identify them as her citizenship
papers, that they were "mistaken." A year after the case they haven't
corrected in their minds what they used to ID her? The book came
out after the trial. If they didn't know what those papers were, why
didn't they just say that they identified her by her driver's license?
We aren't talking about my belief here. We are talking about what
Lange and Vannatter wrote and published a year after the murders.
[Are you saying that there were no papers in her purse? Are you
saying that there was a passport, but that it wasn't a German
passport, and the cops couldn't tell the difference between German
and English?
[Don't you feel rather silly being backed into your nonsensical corner?
[How do you interpret what those papers were and how they were
misidentified by the police and the coroner's office and this misidentification
was never corrected?
[Can we finally expect an honest, intelligent answer out of you, or will
you continue to use your intellect to perserve the lie?]
Robert Miller
John Griffin wrote:
> Robert Miller <mil...@slip.net> wrote:
>
> >John Griffin wrote:
>
> >> Robert Miller <mil...@slip.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >John Griffin wrote: Anyway, it's pretty clear that the "German citizenship papers"
> >> >thing
> >>
> >> >> is no more meaningful than any other item they found in her purse.
> >> >> Your leap to the conclusion that whatever was misidentified in that
> >> >> hasty inspection was important to her is as funny as that old show.
> >> >> They were only interested in identifying the carcass, not doing an
> >> >> evidence inventory.
> >>
> >> > [Your passport, please.]
> >>
> >> It would confuse the hell out of you, if it weren't too late for that.
> >> You'd look at the page next to my picture and say "Aha! You're Reinhard
> >> Gehlen's cousin and these are your Arkansas citizenship papers!"...just as
> >> someone apparently did when he saw "Germany" in that little block that
> >> says "Birthplace" on Nicole's passport.
> >>
> >> The "[passport please]" thing was a really bad idea. Apparently you think
> >> it's clever or something, since you've actually been lame enough to repeat
> >> it a dozen times today. That's really weird.
>
> > [Do they write German passports in English, US passports in German?
> >Or can't veteran police detectives tell the difference?]
>
> Cretin. It was a U.S. passport. It didn't say Deutschland.
>
> This simple stuff is way too complicated for you. I'm glad to see you
> sticking up for those detectives, but really, they don't need it. One of
> them happened to see "Germany" when he looked at the picture.
[No, two of them. Ratcliffe was there too.]
> That's all
> there is to the idiotic flap about "German citizenship papers." I'm sure
> you have a "better," i.e., more entertaining, fact-free and demented,
> idea.
[If that's all there is to it, why was it never corrected? Why were they
still repeating this "idiotic flap" a year later? And is the Mezzaluna sort
of like the Vatican or San Marino? Is it some little foreign country
the size of a lot? Do they issue their own postage? Yeah, that's the
ticket. That would explain why they seemed to be in a different time
zone than the rest of California.]
Robert Miller
Mark wrote:
> Christ, Miller has a brand new bag. Let's see: Nicole's passport was in
> her "purse," which was in her house, which means she was planning on
> fleeing the country? I shutter to think of the delusional ramifications
> we'd hear about if that passport had been sitting near a glockenspiel.
>
> It's obvious Miller has had little contact with women. A women with one
> "purse" is like Miller with only one secret decoder ring. As if it makes
> a damn bit of difference, but it's way beyond Miller's comprehension
> level to assume that Nicole had a "purse" specifically for travel.
[I've been married for 20 years. My wife doesn't carry her citizenship
papers or passport, German or otherwise, in her purse.. I know of no one, woman
or
man, who carries citizenship papers on their persons in order to go to a
restaurant. There may be a perfectly good reason for the official papers
to be there. Perhaps the racists who killed her wanted to make a point
about her Aryan ancestry. She may not have put the papers in her purse
at all. Maybe they did. You know, to enhance the "crazy nigger with a
knife lusting after and killing the pure white Aryan woman" scenario. It's
pretty clear that evidence was planted in the yard, why wouldn't they
plant things indoors, too? It all bloomed into a monochrome of hate.
[Mark, you may be more worldly than me, or you travel around with
the jetset. I asked around here, and no one his or herself seems to carry
around a passport/German citizenship papers as a normal practice.
So how many women do you know who normally carry their passport/
German citizenship papers in their purses every day? You say they all
do. How many do you know who do this? Fifteen, thirty women. All
the gals at your office?]
John Griffin
>John Griffin wrote:
Interestingly, you can't imagine how Ratcliffe could have been
there but didn't see the passport. Even a cretin should be able
to think of the simplest explanation for that. (Only one of them
looked into the purse, for example.)
>> That's all
>> there is to the idiotic flap about "German citizenship papers." I'm sure
>> you have a "better," i.e., more entertaining, fact-free and demented,
>> idea.
> [If that's all there is to it, why was it never corrected? Why were they
>still repeating this "idiotic flap" a year later? And is the Mezzaluna sort
>of like the Vatican or San Marino? Is it some little foreign country
>the size of a lot? Do they issue their own postage? Yeah, that's the
>ticket. That would explain why they seemed to be in a different time
>zone than the rest of California.]
Why was it never corrected?!?!? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA
Because no one in his right mind would think such an insignificant thing
was worth the trouble. duuuuhhhhh