Zero Point Energy is no myth.
The Flavored Coffee Guy
the facts involved with the following devices actually being Zero Point
Energy Devices. But, the truth, as we search for the unknown, old
school, really beat us to the punch.
First, look at the wiring diagram/schematic for a Wimshurst
Electrostatic Generator:
http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/wims.gif
Now, read this article on Zero Point Energy at Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy
Let's focus, on what kind of Zero Point Energy Machine a Wimshurst
Generator really is and by what proof of known physics it applies to,
the Casimir Effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect
Therefore, the Wimshurst Machine, is the proof of the existance of a
usuable Zero Point Energy, Generator.
So, I sat down, and did some more research, not on zero point energy,
but static electricity, and these types of generators. Now, believe it
or not, a magnetic generator, that uses coils cannot freewheel, or spin
based upon centripedal force, and produce any usuable power. But, a
Wimshurst Generator, will freewheel until all of the intertia of the
spin has be degraded by the friction of bearings and brushes have
brought it to a stop. There is no Kick EMF involved absorbing
mechincal horsepower. This means that directly, the 1 horsepower to
740 Watts rule does not apply. I picked up a toy gyro I have, and I
set it to spinning on it's bushings, and I waited 2 minutes and 45
seconds to see it stop, and I probably didn't even reach 400 RPM. I
spun this thing several times, and it occcured to me, that the static
that builds up on a dielectric surface is always equal, and the
position of magnets and coils in a generator always produce opposition
to the motion of the rotor. Those forces don't exist, and an
electrostatic machine/generator will spin down generating electricity
until the inertia of the rotating disks has been exhausted by friction,
and there are no fields of force playing upon the device to slow it or
stop it.
If you do desire to better understand the principals behind the
Wimshurst Generator, and the kind of equations that are involved, then
you will find a deeper understanding reading this article:
http://www.cvcaroyals.org/~rheckathorn/documents/KelvinWaterDropGeneratoreXPLANATION.doc
This also leads to the concept of a fluid power generation system.
But, we need a doughnut shaped piece of pipe filled with water, or oil,
and a pump to get it to moving, and keep moving in rotation. This
article sheds light on the fact that solids have as much to with static
electricity, as liquids, in droplet form or steady flows. Bottom line,
if you move matter, any mass, it is made of proton, neutrons, and
electrons. Electrons are the members that are most likely to break
free as a result of a small amount of force, and mild amount of
instability. That mild amount of instability, will start a process of
summing within a closed loop system as a simple product of motion,
mass, and dielectric strength. Voltage is dictated by dielectric
strength, amperes, is a function of effeciency, but niether connect to
a mechanical loss greater than required for motion. Fluids, like
transmission fluid, and hydraulic fluids move much more effeciently
through pipes, and with the same diagrams utilized in designing
sectorless electrostatic machines, you have the same potential of
generating static electricity with fluids in motion.
http://www.srbrowne.com/booklet/page01.html
So, a dense liquid that will flow rapidly with little fluid friction
and high dielectric constant will generate a very high static
electrical charge.
http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/electrostatic.html
http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/triplex.html
I am not declaring this a solution to our energy needs, or problems,
because it all starts with having more problems. If it's so much
easier to generate a very high voltage, that 500 KV is easier than 120
Volts, we have a problem with control, and conversion. Most of these
devices require a dry air enviornment to work at their highest
effeciency. At the point you figure, you could send water down a
corkscrewed pipe of 6 inches in diameter, there would be a point where
there would be enough loops to allow for inertia to build up velocity,
and a single pump should be able to generate all of it's own
electricity, in watts. But, 500 KV DC, is not 120 VAC. That energy
needs to be converted to either heat, or light. Only a few devices
require that kind of energy, and most of the time, it's produced with
losses. Magnetrons and Klystron tubes both require high voltage to
produce microwaves. Therefore, it becomes an objective of how to burn
water.
Then you can run a turbine, and a mechanical generator at the right
frequency. Consider the corkscrew, the metal plates, neutralizing
brushes, are now all metal surfaces in plastic pipes, or on them. The
dielectric is motion, and will function the same as a sectorless
Wimshurst Generator. The distance between plate dictates the output
voltage's limits, just as it limits the spark lengths. The dielectric
of air is 20 volts to the mil.. Therefore, it is easily concievable to
construct a power supply for magnetron or klystron tube, that utilizes
the equvalent of a fan in a ducted pipe. If you had a torus, and
placed an on and off ramp along side, a propeller could get all of the
fluid rotating perfectly well in a doughnut, or a corkscrew of plastic
pipe with several metal fittings placed along the way to replace
neutralizer brushes. I believe that any rotating disk sectorless
device can be replaced with a dielectric fluid, plastic pipe and metal
fittings.
Just consider how many gallons of oil are being pumped across the
country in pipelines, and that really could just be doing all of the
work for you if you never burned it.
default
<elge...@rock.com> wrote:
>But, a
>Wimshurst Generator, will freewheel until all of the intertia of the
>spin has be degraded by the friction of bearings and brushes have
>brought it to a stop.
Aren't you overlooking another source of friction? The plates in a
Wimshurst machine rotate in air. Air adds drag.
Do Wimshurst machines work in vacuum?
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Dr. Doctor
"> Therefore, it becomes an objective of how to burn
> water.
how you do that ? seems like it would put itself out.
Ancient_Hacker
usuable Zero Point Energy, Generator.
Wrongo, Bub.
The Casimir effect, if you'd read up on the details, is about
100,000,000 times weaker and on a 1,000,000,000 time smaller scale than
electrostatics. To repeat, the Casimir effect has nothing to do with
the Wimhurst machine.
Even if it did, it wouldnt be a source of free energy, it's just an
attractive force. No free lunch.
malibu
Are windmills 'free lunch'?
Are solar panels 'free lunch'?
Are the Niagara Falls generators 'free lunch'?
Are photons the only radiation we'll ever be
able to harness?
John
mrda...@gmail.com
malibu wrote:
> Ancient_Hacker wrote:
> > >Therefore, the Wimshurst Machine, is the proof of the existance of a
> > usuable Zero Point Energy, Generator.
> >
> > Wrongo, Bub.
> >
> > The Casimir effect, if you'd read up on the details, is about
> > 100,000,000 times weaker and on a 1,000,000,000 time smaller scale than
> > electrostatics. To repeat, the Casimir effect has nothing to do with
> > the Wimhurst machine.
> >
> > Even if it did, it wouldnt be a source of free energy, it's just an
> > attractive force. No free lunch.
>
> Are windmills 'free lunch'?
> Are solar panels 'free lunch'?
> Are the Niagara Falls generators 'free lunch'?
>
No, no, and no, but fruits growing on a tree are pretty close to a
"free lunch".
;-)
Michael
Jim Thompson
As they say, "Ignorance is bliss" ;-)
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The Flavored Coffee Guy wrote:
> Therefore, the Wimshurst Machine, is the proof of the existance of a
> usuable Zero Point Energy, Generator.
no.
> But, a
> Wimshurst Generator, will freewheel until all of the intertia of the
> spin has be degraded by the friction of bearings and brushes have
> brought it to a stop.
No. like charges attract. separating them takes energy.
the disks moving towards the spikey collectors have more charge
than when they're moving away from the collectors, (duh!)
so there that energy is't regained. the gif you linked to doesn't show
that .
Rich Grise
>
> Now, read this article on Zero Point Energy at Wikipedia:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy
Clearly you haven't read it - at least not as far as:
"Because zero point energy is the lowest possible energy a system can
have, this energy cannot be removed from the system."
Sorry, Charlie.
Rich
Michael A. Terrell
>
> On 16 Nov 2006 08:08:05 -0800, "malibu" <veg...@accesscomm.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> >Ancient_Hacker wrote:
> >> >Therefore, the Wimshurst Machine, is the proof of the existance of a
> >> usuable Zero Point Energy, Generator.
> >>
> >> Wrongo, Bub.
> >>
> >> The Casimir effect, if you'd read up on the details, is about
> >> 100,000,000 times weaker and on a 1,000,000,000 time smaller scale than
> >> electrostatics. To repeat, the Casimir effect has nothing to do with
> >> the Wimhurst machine.
> >>
> >> Even if it did, it wouldnt be a source of free energy, it's just an
> >> attractive force. No free lunch.
> >
> >Are windmills 'free lunch'?
> >Are solar panels 'free lunch'?
> >Are the Niagara Falls generators 'free lunch'?
> >
> >Are photons the only radiation we'll ever be
> >able to harness?
> >
> >John
>
> As they say, "Ignorance is bliss" ;-)
I used to work for him, but he wanted everyone to call him Ernie. :(
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Ron Capik
> < ...snip... >
> Therefore, the Wimshurst Machine, is the proof of the existance of a
> usuable Zero Point Energy, Generator.
> < ...snip.... >
Cool (or kewl) ! power up the stargate we're all goin' home!
Later...
Ron Capik
--
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Ancient_Hacker wrote:
<snip>
> No free lunch.
A phrase (and book title) popularized by Milton Friedman, the
Nobel-prize winning economist, who died today in San Francisco, of
heart failure. MHRIP.
Regards,
James Arthur
mike3
The Flavored Coffee Guy wrote:
> the facts involved with the following devices actually being Zero Point
> Energy Devices. But, the truth, as we search for the unknown, old
> school, really beat us to the punch.
>
> First, look at the wiring diagram/schematic for a Wimshurst
> Electrostatic Generator:
> http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/wims.gif
>
That's just a static generator.
> Now, read this article on Zero Point Energy at Wikipedia:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy
>
ZPE is real. What is debatable is whether or not one can get useful
amounts
of energy out of it.
> Let's focus, on what kind of Zero Point Energy Machine a Wimshurst
> Generator really is and by what proof of known physics it applies to,
> the Casimir Effect:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect
>
> Therefore, the Wimshurst Machine, is the proof of the existance of a
> usuable Zero Point Energy, Generator.
>
Huh??? How? A Wimshurst Generator takes energy IN, to generate a
static charge imbalance. It does NOT put energy OUT. Could you
provide a working model (nothing huge, just a small model that can
power 1 lightbulb) of your device, anyway? To create a charge
imbalance,
you have to pull charges (usually electrons) out of a material _against
their own electric binding forces_, which takes IN energy, not put
it out.
David L. Jones
> the facts involved with the following devices actually being Zero Point
> Energy Devices. But, the truth, as we search for the unknown, old
> school, really beat us to the punch.
> First, look at the wiring diagram/schematic for a Wimshurst
> Electrostatic Generator:
> http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/wims.gif
>
> Now, read this article on Zero Point Energy at Wikipedia:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy
>
> Let's focus, on what kind of Zero Point Energy Machine a Wimshurst
> Generator really is and by what proof of known physics it applies to,
> the Casimir Effect:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect
>
> Therefore, the Wimshurst Machine, is the proof of the existance of a
> usuable Zero Point Energy, Generator.
Of course Zero Point Energy exists. A Zero Point Module powers the
ancient defense weapon in Antarctica. Just ask Jack O'Neil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Point_Module
Dave :)
default
<elge...@rock.com> wrote:
>
>default wrote:
>> On 16 Nov 2006 02:45:21 -0800, "The Flavored Coffee Guy"
>> <elge...@rock.com> wrote:
>>
>> >But, a
>> >Wimshurst Generator, will freewheel until all of the intertia of the
>> >spin has be degraded by the friction of bearings and brushes have
>> >brought it to a stop.
>>
>> Aren't you overlooking another source of friction? The plates in a
>> Wimshurst machine rotate in air. Air adds drag.
>>
>> Do Wimshurst machines work in vacuum?
>
>No, I didn't overlook the areodynamics of the situation, I am still
>looking for equations to determin these and other factors, and I have
>the same question you do, Would a Wimshurst Generator Work in a Vacuum?
> That is a good question.
>
>This machine uses razor blades instead of brushes, and there is no
>mechanical contact. All of the power is taken off of the disk by glow
>discharge, or corona discharge.
>http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/karlb.jpg
>
>Therefore, even the thought of friction concerning brushes can be
>eliminated in the Voss Machine, if that method of using sharp edges is
>put to use to collect or deposit charges, and that reduces friction to
>the bearings.
Thanks for the link. That looks like a lot of spark for that machine.
I'll have to check out Dr. Queiroz other links.
Rich Grise
<some fantastical schtuff>
You need to go see the movie "The Prestige" - it's out right now, and
it explains a lot of Tesla's free energy experiments.
Good Luck!
Rich
Rich Grise
> Ha, ha ha,
>
> Rich,
>
> If Zero Point energy is ever going to be useful, it has to be
> collected.
Now you're just being blockheaded.
BY DEFINITION, the Zero point is the point at which there is nothing
left to collect.
I give up.
Good-bye.
Rich
If you look at the Wimshurst Machine in operation, there
> are two neutralizing rods, the energy never leaves the system. At the
> spark gap it balances at zero, on the plates it is balanced at zero.
> The charge is really moving in a stepped loop. Still all a part of the
> system.
Rich Grise
But doesn't it still need Naquadria?
Thanks,
Rich
Ron Capik
> < ..snip... >
>
> Of course Zero Point Energy exists. A Zero Point Module powers the
> ancient defense weapon in Antarctica. Just ask Jack O'Neil.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Point_Module
>
> Dave :)
Ask Carter, O'Neil knows nothing about the technology.
I'd much rather talk to Carter anyway.
Later...
Ron Capik
--
jasen
> Ha, ha ha,
>
> Rich,
>
> If Zero Point energy is ever going to be useful, it has to be
> collected.
> If you look at the Wimshurst Machine in operation, there
> are two neutralizing rods, the energy never leaves the system.
the neutralising rods put the charges on the discs through a process called
electrostatic induction.... find a highschool physics text and look it up.
> At the
> spark gap it balances at zero, on the plates it is balanced at zero.
> The charge is really moving in a stepped loop. Still all a part of the
> system.
The system obeys Kirchoffs loop law... no surprise there.
Bye.
Jasen
David L. Jones
No, the ZPM does not use Naquadria, it uses purely Zero Point Energy.
Dave :)
David L. Jones
Ah yes, Carter, every geeks fantasy!
O'Neil knows it all, he just doesn't show it, after all he IS MacGyver!
Dave :)
John Popelish
> Do you understand what makes the Wimshurst Generator work? Well, it
> isn't a different principal, and it is the same as this one constructed
> around Lord Kelvin's Water Powered Electrostatic Generator.
It involves mechanically moving static charges together and
apart, while letting them move in response to the forces
they produce on each other, at appropriate points, to get
them to move where you want them to be.
> http://www.cvcaroyals.org/~rheckathorn/documents/KelvinWaterDropGeneratoreXPLANATION.doc
>
> It doesn't take any electricity.
But it does take mechanical force to push like charges
toward each other, and pull unlike changes away from each
other. Both these forces occur in the Wimshurst machine.
(snip)
> The foil petals on Wimshurst Generator, really only represent capacitor
> plates. You should always view one side as positive, or mostly
> positive, and the other mostly negative. When a plate reaches a
> discharge brush, it effectively neutralizes the charge potential there
> in the gap between the two disks. In moving the wheel and contacting
> all of these brushes in order, each capacitive plate is attempting to
> stabilize with 3 different capacitve plates. All that is making it
> really work starts after the instability has beaten the odds, and one
> side of the disk is majorly positive, and the other majorly negative.
> In theory, you should be able to do the same thing with a mechanical 8
> pole 32 position rotory selector swich and a properly wired bank of
> non-electrolytic capacitors, and one coil that would have a value of
> .01 ohms at the resonant frequency of the pair. So, if you used 32
> .01uF capacitors, you would need something like a 0.001uH coil to
> represent a neutralizer bar. As long as the switching is organized in
> the same fashion to for each position of the switch to play the same
> role as to the brushes for the two rotating disks, the plates of any
> given capacitor, treated the same as one disk or the other, and they
> will charge up.
(snip)
They won't, but you shouldn't take my word for it. you
should build this and convince yourself. Your static model
eliminates the mechanical transport of trapped charge, that
takes place in the Wimshurst machine or the Kelvin generator.
Terry Given
> On 16 Nov 2006 08:08:05 -0800, "malibu" <veg...@accesscomm.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>Ancient_Hacker wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>usuable Zero Point Energy, Generator.
>>>
>>>
>>>The Casimir effect, if you'd read up on the details, is about
>>>100,000,000 times weaker and on a 1,000,000,000 time smaller scale than
>>>electrostatics. To repeat, the Casimir effect has nothing to do with
>>>the Wimhurst machine.
>>>
>>>Even if it did, it wouldnt be a source of free energy, it's just an
>>>attractive force. No free lunch.
>>
>>Are windmills 'free lunch'?
>>Are solar panels 'free lunch'?
>>Are the Niagara Falls generators 'free lunch'?
>>
>>Are photons the only radiation we'll ever be
>>able to harness?
>>
>>John
>
>
> As they say, "Ignorance is bliss" ;-)
>
wrt ZPE, I suspect ignorance is mandatory :)
Cheers
Terry
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>> On 16 Nov 2006 02:45:21 -0800, "The Flavored Coffee Guy"
>> <elge...@rock.com> wrote:
>>
>>> But, a
>>> Wimshurst Generator, will freewheel until all of the intertia of the
>>> spin has be degraded by the friction of bearings and brushes have
>>> brought it to a stop.
>> Aren't you overlooking another source of friction? The plates in a
>> Wimshurst machine rotate in air. Air adds drag.
>>
>> Do Wimshurst machines work in vacuum?
>
> No, I didn't overlook the areodynamics of the situation, I am still
> looking for equations to determin these and other factors, and I have
> the same question you do, Would a Wimshurst Generator Work in a Vacuum?
> That is a good question.
>
> This machine uses razor blades instead of brushes, and there is no
> mechanical contact. All of the power is taken off of the disk by glow
> discharge, or corona discharge.
> http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/karlb.jpg
>
> Therefore, even the thought of friction concerning brushes can be
> eliminated in the Voss Machine, if that method of using sharp edges is
> put to use to collect or deposit charges, and that reduces friction to
> the bearings.
Tell you what, just make one and 'close the loop' ie get it to drive
itself from the excess energy while tapping off enough to light a bulb.
Run it for a few weeks, then get back to us.
--
Dirk
http://www.onetribe.me.uk - The UK's only occult talk show
Presented by Dirk Bruere and Marc Power on ResonanceFM 104.4
http://www.resonancefm.com
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<dirk....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Tell you what, just make one and 'close the loop' ie get it to drive
>itself from the excess energy while tapping off enough to light a bulb.
>Run it for a few weeks, then get back to us.
If he actually achieved that he'd have to be out of his mind to post
it on Usenet - It would be worth too much.
jasen
>
> mike3 wrote:
> The foil petals on Wimshurst Generator, really only represent capacitor
> plates. You should always view one side as positive, or mostly
> positive, and the other mostly negative. When a plate reaches a
> discharge brush, it effectively neutralizes the charge potential there
> in the gap between the two disks. In moving the wheel and contacting
> all of these brushes in order, each capacitive plate is attempting to
> stabilize with 3 different capacitve plates. All that is making it
> really work starts after the instability has beaten the odds, and one
> side of the disk is majorly positive, and the other majorly negative.
> In theory, you should be able to do the same thing with a mechanical 8
> pole 32 position rotory selector swich and a properly wired bank of
> non-electrolytic capacitors, and one coil that would have a value of
> .01 ohms at the resonant frequency of the pair. So, if you used 32
> .01uF capacitors, you would need something like a 0.001uH coil to
> represent a neutralizer bar. As long as the switching is organized in
> the same fashion to for each position of the switch to play the same
> role as to the brushes for the two rotating disks, the plates of any
> given capacitor, treated the same as one disk or the other, and they
> will charge up. That same kind of instability still exists. Two poles
> would represent the brushes connect to one sphere in the spark gap,
> then two more the opposing pole. 2 other contacts would represent
> would represent on neutralizer bar, and the final 2 the last
> neutralizer bar. Your spark gap would be a neon bulb with a 1 mega ohm
> resistor in series with it.
nope. the petals move in opposite directions, it's nothing like a switched
bank of capacitors. because each time it encounters a contact it's opposite
a different other petal
--
Bye.
Jasen
sleb...@gmail.com
> until the inertia of the rotating disks has been exhausted by friction,
> and there are no fields of force playing upon the device to slow it or
> stop it.
Actually, until the momentum of the rotating disks have been exhausted
by friction and the conversion to usable energy. If you manage to build
one you'll find that installing a heavier load on its output (like say
an electric oven) will make it spin down much faster than a light load.
The mechanics of how kinetic energy is converted is very much different
than a magnetic generator but the end result is the same.
Talk is cheap, you can argue and write equations all day yet they may
or may not represent what happens in the real world. Get or build one
of these and run the experiment I described above and you'll see.
Alie...@gmail.com
The Flavored Coffee Guy wrote:
> the facts involved with the following devices actually being Zero Point
> Energy Devices. But, the truth, as we search for the unknown, old
> school, really beat us to the punch.
>
> First, look at the wiring diagram/schematic for a Wimshurst
> Electrostatic Generator:
> http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/wims.gif
Electrostatic "generators" are transducers; they use input mechanical
work to separate electrical charges. If no work is input, no charges
get separated. Let it run down, and they recombine through leakage.
No connection with zero-point energy.
You want "zero-point _field_" energy, which is different.
Find a copy of "Analysis of zero-point electromagnetic energy and
Casimir forces
in conducting rectangular cavities" by G. Gordon Maclay (Physical
Review A, Volume 61, 052110) and read it. You can download it online
but it'll cost money; any University should have a library that carries
Phys. Rev. in dead tree format you can read and copy for much less if
not for free.
If you can't follow all the math, just look carefully at figs. 16
&17.
The point is that the usual cited embodiment of the Casimir Effect,
two close-spaced conducting plates, is a special case of the general
idea of bounding a volume of space so as to exclude EM modes that won't
fit within, giving the enclosed volume a negative energy density
compared to an equal but unbounded volume. Another special case is
cuboidal cavities, which neatly get rid of the edge effects of the
(assumed) infinite conducting planes of the usual version.
Specifically, the figures explain that two identical enclosed
volumes, one pizza-box shaped, the other hatbox-shaped, will have
_different_ negative energy densities, thus different absolute energy
values at the contained wavelengths. So, a thought experiment; consider
them as ordinary RF cavity resonators, poke holes in them, and insert
conductors so as to link the field lines of one or more of the
contained modes. then connect the wires through a resistive load;
obviously, power will flow through the load.
There are a few minor engineering impediments to realizing this idea
in hardware; the Casimir Effect works best with close spacing, hence
the cavities will be rather small. You won't get much power per pair,
so you need to series/parallel many. Also it works better the better
the walls conduct, so you want superconductors. Also, the size of the
cavities means you'll be working at really short wavelengths where
rectifiers are hard to come by.
So, if you have access to, or know someone who has access to
equipment for making semiconductor-gate-scale RF hardware out of
superconductors, you're in business.
Let us know how it works out.
Mark Fergerson
Stephen J. Rush
> default wrote:
>> On 16 Nov 2006 02:45:21 -0800, "The Flavored Coffee Guy"
>> <elge...@rock.com> wrote:
>>
>> >But, a
>> >Wimshurst Generator, will freewheel until all of the intertia of the
>> >spin has be degraded by the friction of bearings and brushes have
>> >brought it to a stop.
>>
>> Aren't you overlooking another source of friction? The plates in a
>> Wimshurst machine rotate in air. Air adds drag.
>>
>> Do Wimshurst machines work in vacuum?
>
> No, I didn't overlook the areodynamics of the situation, I am still
> looking for equations to determin these and other factors, and I have
> the same question you do, Would a Wimshurst Generator Work in a Vacuum?
> That is a good question.
>
> This machine uses razor blades instead of brushes, and there is no
> mechanical contact. All of the power is taken off of the disk by glow
> discharge, or corona discharge.
> http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/karlb.jpg
>
> Therefore, even the thought of friction concerning brushes can be
> eliminated in the Voss Machine, if that method of using sharp edges is
> put to use to collect or deposit charges, and that reduces friction to
> the bearings.
Not just friction. The power delivered by any generator comes from its
prime mover. In Wimshurst and similar electrostatic machines, the output
power is so low that the load it imposes on the prime mover goes
unnoticed, swamped by friction losses.
You can't win.
You can't break even.
You can't even quit the game.
Rich Grise
>
> You can't win.
> You can't break even.
> You can't even quit the game.
Christianity is the belief that you can win.
Judaism/Islam is the belief that you can break even.
Mysticism is the belief that you can quit the game.
;-)
Cheers!
Rich