The rest of the world: Bush 13% Kerry 86%
LMN
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and neither do we." - George W Bush
Rich
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OK, so France's electoral votes go to KERRY. Big deal.
-Rich
Paul Harper
Curious - a nation that pretends to be a (of not *the*) world leader
has a president held in utter contempt by 86% of the rest of the world
and you say it's not a big deal?!
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today.
"Paul Harper" <pa...@harper.net> wrote in message
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Rich
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Paul Harper
<rich...@netzero.com> wrote:
>Boy, if we listened to the rest of the world, we'd all be speaking German
>today.
Careful, your strawman is not only showing, it's on fire for all to
see.
You see no fundamental difference between "listening" and "obeying"?
No wonder you lot are so screwed up.
DaveNOSPAM
> today.
>
>
and women would still be considered property.
Ubiquitous
: On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:10:01 GMT, "Rich" <Ri...@anon.com> wrote:
:>OK, so France's electoral votes go to KERRY. Big deal.
:
: Curious - a nation that pretends to be a (of not *the*) world leader
: has a president held in utter contempt by 86% of the rest of the world
: and you say it's not a big deal?!
Doing the right thing is not always the most popular.
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ISLAM: Wining the hearts and minds of the world, one bomb at a time.
Ubiquitous
: "Highlander" <rich...@netzero.com> wrote in message news:<JbKdnddW-Lv...@adelphia.com>...
Apparently you fell alseep in your history classes when they talked
about the Republican party forming as an anti-slavery group and how
Democrats tried to block civil rights reforms in the 1960's.
--
Two years ago, Iraq had one political party and no blogs. Now, thanks to America and our allies, it has a Pro-Democracy Party and two bloggers-turned-candidates. Meanwhile, America has a party that calls itself Democratic, even though most of its members would rather Iraq still be a dictatorship.
Paul Harper
(Ubiquitous) wrote:
>In alt.test Paul Harper <pa...@harper.net> wrote:
>: On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:10:01 GMT, "Rich" <Ri...@anon.com> wrote:
>
>:>OK, so France's electoral votes go to KERRY. Big deal.
>:
>: Curious - a nation that pretends to be a (of not *the*) world leader
>: has a president held in utter contempt by 86% of the rest of the world
>: and you say it's not a big deal?!
>
>Doing the right thing is not always the most popular.
Doing something that 86% of the globe disagrees with is "the right
thing"?!!!
Only in a dictatorship.
Rev. 11D Ricardo MadGello
"Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote in message
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Rev. 11D Ricardo MadGello
years, putz!
"Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote in message
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Wendy
Paul Harper <pa...@harper.net> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:21:03 +0000 (UTC), web...@polaris.net
> (Ubiquitous) wrote:
>
> >In alt.test Paul Harper <pa...@harper.net> wrote:
> >: On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:10:01 GMT, "Rich" <Ri...@anon.com> wrote:
> >
> >:>OK, so France's electoral votes go to KERRY. Big deal.
> >:
> >: Curious - a nation that pretends to be a (of not *the*) world leader
> >: has a president held in utter contempt by 86% of the rest of the world
> >: and you say it's not a big deal?!
> >
> >Doing the right thing is not always the most popular.
>
> Doing something that 86% of the globe disagrees with is "the right
> thing"?!!!
>
> Only in a dictatorship.
>
And a Republican administration.
Paul Harper
From this side of the Atlantic it's difficult to spot the difference.
A. Dulcimer
wrote:
>On 31 Aug 2004 14:05:27 -0000, Wendy <wendy...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <eft8j0ld1d08pusj1...@4ax.com>
>>Paul Harper <pa...@harper.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:21:03 +0000 (UTC), web...@polaris.net
>>> (Ubiquitous) wrote:
>>>
>>> >In alt.test Paul Harper <pa...@harper.net> wrote:
>>> >: On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:10:01 GMT, "Rich" <Ri...@anon.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >:>OK, so France's electoral votes go to KERRY. Big deal.
>>> >:
>>> >: Curious - a nation that pretends to be a (of not *the*) world leader
>>> >: has a president held in utter contempt by 86% of the rest of the world
>>> >: and you say it's not a big deal?!
>>> >
>>> >Doing the right thing is not always the most popular.
>>>
>>> Doing something that 86% of the globe disagrees with is "the right
>>> thing"?!!!
>>>
>>> Only in a dictatorship.
>>
>>And a Republican administration.
>
>From this side of the Atlantic it's difficult to spot the difference.
It's difficult from this side too......
>
>Paul.
----
"You know I could run for governor but I'm basically a media creation.
I've never done anything. I've worked for my dad. I worked in the oil
business. But that's not the kind of profile you have to have to get
elected to public office."
George W. Bush, 1989
Robert
Ubiquitous wrote:
> In alt.test DaveNOSPAM <janklo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> : "Highlander" <rich...@netzero.com> wrote in message news:<JbKdnddW-Lv...@adelphia.com>...
>
> :> Boy, if we listened to the rest of the world, we'd all be speaking German
> :> today.
> :>
> : And if America listened to nothing but Conservatives, we'd still have
> : slaves, and women would still be considered property.
>
> Apparently you fell alseep in your history classes when they talked
> about the Republican party forming as an anti-slavery group and how
> Democrats tried to block civil rights reforms in the 1960's.
Excuse me but the Democrats were the party of civil rights and I am damn
proud of that, more proud of that than anything.
In 1946, Democratic President Harry Truman integrated the armed forces
In 1948, the young Democratic mayor of Minneapolis introduced a equal
rights addition to the Democratic platform (it passed)
Whatever you can say about LBJ, he did pass very significant civil
rights legislation.
Leon Kransky
wrote:
>
>
>Ubiquitous wrote:
>
>> In alt.test DaveNOSPAM <janklo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> : "Highlander" <rich...@netzero.com> wrote in message news:<JbKdnddW-Lv...@adelphia.com>...
>>
>> :> Boy, if we listened to the rest of the world, we'd all be speaking German
>> :> today.
>> :>
>> : And if America listened to nothing but Conservatives, we'd still have
>> : slaves, and women would still be considered property.
>>
>> Apparently you fell alseep in your history classes when they talked
>> about the Republican party forming as an anti-slavery group and how
>> Democrats tried to block civil rights reforms in the 1960's.
Part you're leaving out here is that all of those 'democrats' that
tried to block those reforms left the Democratic party and were
welcomed into the Republican party.
Jake M
Ubiquitous wrote:
>
> In alt.test DaveNOSPAM <janklo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> : "Highlander" <rich...@netzero.com> wrote in message news:<JbKdnddW-Lv...@adelphia.com>...
>
> :> Boy, if we listened to the rest of the world, we'd all be speaking German
> :> today.
> :>
> : And if America listened to nothing but Conservatives, we'd still have
> : slaves, and women would still be considered property.
>
> Apparently you fell alseep in your history classes when they talked
> about the Republican party forming as an anti-slavery group and how
> Democrats tried to block civil rights reforms in the 1960's.
Another reichtard trying to rewrite history. Almost all the Dixiecrats
opposing civil rights wound up in the GOP. That tells me all I need to
know about which party is for *all* the people and which party is full
of shit.
> --
> Two years ago, Iraq had one political party and no blogs. Now, thanks to America and our allies, it has a Pro-Democracy Party and two bloggers-turned-candidates. Meanwhile, America has a party that calls itself Democratic, even though most of its members would rather Iraq still be a dictatorship.
Was it worth 1000 US military dead and 7000 seriously injured? Did you
volunteer to risk your ass for the Great Liberation of Iraq? I didn't
think so.
z
> In alt.test DaveNOSPAM <janklo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> : "Highlander" <rich...@netzero.com> wrote in message news:<JbKdnddW-Lv...@adelphia.com>...
>
> :> Boy, if we listened to the rest of the world, we'd all be speaking German
> :> today.
> :>
> : And if America listened to nothing but Conservatives, we'd still have
> : slaves, and women would still be considered property.
>
> Apparently you fell alseep in your history classes when they talked
> about the Republican party forming as an anti-slavery group and how
> Democrats tried to block civil rights reforms in the 1960's.
Learn to distinguish Conservatives, Liberals, Democrats, and
Republicans, and their interrelationships over the years.
z
> today.
I give up. How would that work?
Besides, English sort of is German, just a bastardized dialect.
z
Apparently, the Republicans have written the Goldwater-Nixon-Reagan
era out of the history books, and their very deliberate and greatly
successful attempt to recruit the racist vote away from the Democrats.
(We don't want them back, thanks).
z
> In alt.test Paul Harper <pa...@harper.net> wrote:
> : On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:10:01 GMT, "Rich" <Ri...@anon.com> wrote:
>
> :>OK, so France's electoral votes go to KERRY. Big deal.
> :
> : Curious - a nation that pretends to be a (of not *the*) world leader
> : has a president held in utter contempt by 86% of the rest of the world
> : and you say it's not a big deal?!
>
> Doing the right thing is not always the most popular.
Launching an attack on somebody because they don't like you and you
think that if they had any weapons they might sometimes attack you is
also not the most popular.
z
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:32:33 +0100, Paul Harper <pa...@harper.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On 31 Aug 2004 14:05:27 -0000, Wendy <wendy...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>In article <eft8j0ld1d08pusj1...@4ax.com>
> >>Paul Harper <pa...@harper.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:21:03 +0000 (UTC), web...@polaris.net
> >>> (Ubiquitous) wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >In alt.test Paul Harper <pa...@harper.net> wrote:
> >>> >: On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:10:01 GMT, "Rich" <Ri...@anon.com> wrote:
>
> >>> >:>OK, so France's electoral votes go to KERRY. Big deal.
> >>> >:
> >>> >: Curious - a nation that pretends to be a (of not *the*) world leader
> >>> >: has a president held in utter contempt by 86% of the rest of the world
> >>> >: and you say it's not a big deal?!
> >>> >
> >>> >Doing the right thing is not always the most popular.
> >>>
> >>> Doing something that 86% of the globe disagrees with is "the right
> >>> thing"?!!!
> >>>
> >>> Only in a dictatorship.
> >>
> >>And a Republican administration.
> >
> >From this side of the Atlantic it's difficult to spot the difference.
>
> It's difficult from this side too......
>
And on the inside, they consider it a goal to unite the two concepts.
Shannon Jacobs
GOP is NOT a progressive party like Lincoln's liberal Republican party and
how the conservative (pronounced "racist") Southern Democrats are now
repackaged as the Reagan Republicans.
Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
<snip>
> Apparently you fell alseep in your history classes when they talked
> about the Republican party forming as an anti-slavery group and how
> Democrats tried to block civil rights reforms in the 1960's.
--
We don't know if 9/11 could have been stopped--but we do know Dubya
failed to stop it. That's the FACT.
Attack, lie, spin. Dubya's REAL trifecta.
Hate trolls? Want to be free to ignore them more easily? Write
groups-...@google.com and ask for a search parameter for the # of
newsgroups--with the default set to 1. Bye-bye troll cross-posts!
Do you agree that democracy is good and depends on serious discussion
of the issues? If so, don't reply to off topic, ad hominem garbage.
Send it to "The vile spewers of mindless blather thread".
Quido
> > : On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:10:01 GMT, "Rich" <Ri...@anon.com> wrote:
>
> > :>OK, so France's electoral votes go to KERRY. Big deal.
> > :
> > : Curious - a nation that pretends to be a (of not *the*) world leader
> > : has a president held in utter contempt by 86% of the rest of the world
> > : and you say it's not a big deal?!
> >
> > Doing the right thing is not always the most popular.
>
> Launching an attack on somebody because they don't like you and you
> think that if they had any weapons they might sometimes attack you is
> also not the most popular.
Also when your domestic popularity dips below 50% in the polls. That's
a good day to invade.
He got stung by a bee so he stirred up a hornets nest.
American
"Shannon Jacobs" <sha...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> Apparently this moron fell asleep when they were explaining how the modern
> GOP is NOT a progressive party like Lincoln's liberal Republican party and
> how the conservative (pronounced "racist") Southern Democrats are now
> repackaged as the Reagan Republicans.
I was awake and don't remember any teacher saying such outlandish bullshit.
It must have been at one of your Democrat indoctrination classes.
>
> Do you agree that democracy is good and depends on serious discussion
> of the issues?
Yes. That is why I vote Republican.
Hank Ball
You are forgetting that it was the Party of Lincoln that freed the
slaves . . . the Republican Party.
You're also forgetting that the Civil Rights bill would not have
passed had it not been for the Republicans. Lyndon B. Johnson even
made sure to thank the Republicans for their support. Al Gore's daddy
even voted against the Civil Rights bill.
The women being considered property statement is just so stupid as to
not need rebuttal. I'll just leave you to stew in your own ignorance.
hball
Hank Ball
Excuse me, a huge portion of the Democratic Party voted against the
Civil Rights Bill. It was the Republican Party that overwhelmingly
voted for the bill. Lyndon B. Johnson made a point of thanking the
Republicans for doing so.
hball
Umberto
Umberto
>
Ignorance would be voting for bush.
Shannon Jacobs
Democrats are now Reagan Republicans. LBJ also made the comment (I believe
it was at the signing ceremony for the Voting Rights Act of 1965) that the
Democrats would lose the South for a generation. Lots of things to dislike
(and like) about LBJ, but he was a shrewd judge of matters political.
Of course, Busheviks very often speak opinions as facts, and lies as truths.
Hmm... Perhaps that could be used as a defining metric?
Hank Ball <hb...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
<snip>
> Excuse me, a huge portion of the Democratic Party voted against the
> Civil Rights Bill. It was the Republican Party that overwhelmingly
> voted for the bill. Lyndon B. Johnson made a point of thanking the
> Republicans for doing so.
>
> hball
--
We don't know if 9/11 could have been stopped--but we do know Dubya
failed to stop it. That's the FACT.
Attack, lie, spin. Dubya's REAL trifecta.
Hate trolls? Want to be free to ignore them more easily? Write
groups-...@google.com and ask for a search parameter for the # of
newsgroups--with the default set to 1. Bye-bye troll cross-posts!
Do you agree that democracy is good and depends on serious discussion
Shannon Jacobs
with ad-hominemo blather. The Bushevik troll creed. Well, actually this
spineless spinful troll just jumps directly to the blather.
American <slee...@dnc.com> wrote:
<snip>
> I was awake and don't remember any teacher saying such outlandish
> bullshit. It must have been at one of your Democrat indoctrination
> classes.
>
<snip>
> Yes. That is why I vote Republican.
--
We don't know if 9/11 could have been stopped--but we do know Dubya
failed to stop it. That's the FACT.
Attack, lie, spin. Dubya's REAL trifecta.
Hate trolls? Want to be free to ignore them more easily? Write
groups-...@google.com and ask for a search parameter for the # of
newsgroups--with the default set to 1. Bye-bye troll cross-posts!
Do you agree that democracy is good and depends on serious discussion
American
> Opinions as facts, lies as truths--repeated frequently. Fill in the gaps
> with ad-hominemo blather. The Bushevik troll creed. Well, actually this
> spineless spinful troll just jumps directly to the blather.
And the above nonsence wasn't blather?
Smoke another one, hippie.
Shannon Jacobs
on topic for a change? But what is it with you fanatical Busheviks and
refusing to use a spelling checker?
American <slee...@dnc.com> wrote:
<snip>
> And the above nonsence wasn't blather?
> Smoke another one, hippie.
<snip>
Shannon Jacobs
Republican party is NOTHING like President Lincoln's. And you've never heard
of "Reagan Republicans" that used to be conservative Southern Democrats,
right? Except that you've been reminded many times right here.
Hank Ball <hb...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
<snip>
> You are forgetting that it was the Party of Lincoln that freed the
> slaves . . . the Republican Party.
>
> You're also forgetting that the Civil Rights bill would not have
> passed had it not been for the Republicans. Lyndon B. Johnson even
> made sure to thank the Republicans for their support. Al Gore's
> daddy
> even voted against the Civil Rights bill.
>
> The women being considered property statement is just so stupid as
> to
> not need rebuttal. I'll just leave you to stew in your own
> ignorance.
>
> hball
--
Ubiquitous
>On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:10:01 GMT, "Rich" <Ri...@anon.com> wrote:
>>OK, so France's electoral votes go to KERRY. Big deal.
>
>Curious - a nation that pretends to be a (of not *the*) world leader
>has a president held in utter contempt by 86% of the rest of the world
>and you say it's not a big deal?!
Doing the right thing isn't a popularity contest.
--
======================================================================
ISLAM: Winning the hearts and minds of the world, one bomb at a time.
Matti Partonen
"Ubiquitous" <weberm!@polaris.net> wrote in message
news:3Lqdnd0Pu7x...@comcast.com...
> In article <m32ai0tn5ubglhsh2...@4ax.com>, pa...@harper.net
wrote:
> >On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:10:01 GMT, "Rich" <Ri...@anon.com> wrote:
>
> >>OK, so France's electoral votes go to KERRY. Big deal.
> >
> >Curious - a nation that pretends to be a (of not *the*) world leader
> >has a president held in utter contempt by 86% of the rest of the world
> >and you say it's not a big deal?!
>
> Doing the right thing isn't a popularity contest.
True, it is not. But the US presidential election campaign is. The campaign
leaders concentrate *only* on winning votes, using the best means psychology has
devised to manipulate the opinions of the voting population; right or wrong be
damned. The rest of the world is not hampered by the campaign smokescreens and
thus has a much better chance than the voting population of the US to see things
as they are.
Matti P.
~ IRAQ IS DISNEYLAND ~
It's also apparent that Americans are more susceptible to being manipulated
in the first place
than folks in other countries...
Robert
You really are joking.
JM
> The right thing?
>
> You really are joking.
Why don't you invite al-quida over to bomb another 3,000 people or so.
You notice one thing all the hits on the USA have stopped.
Maybe you don't like that????
JM
"~ IRAQ IS DISNEYLAND ~" <KaB0OM!@MAIMED_FOR_OIL.net> wrote in message
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Paul Harper
>
>"Robert" <wayne_s...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:mUx4d.3679$Ec4.1973@trndny04...
>> The right thing?
>>
>> You really are joking.
>
>Why don't you invite al-quida over to bomb another 3,000 people or so.
They don't need an invitation. They'll go over there as and when they
want to - just like the other two times they have.
>You notice one thing all the hits on the USA have stopped.
>Maybe you don't like that????
Two hits in the history of the US doesn't exactly qualify anyone to
make the statement "all the hits...".
All this American willy-waving in the middle east has made fuck-all
difference to al-qaeda except to drive people towards joining them.
The so-called "war on terrorism" has been the biggest recruitment
boost the terrorists could possibly have hoped for.
As, no doubt, the US and other western countries will find out in due
course.
Thanks, Yanks, it's just what we all needed. Even *more* instability.
Tossers.
Paul.
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"Paul Harper" <pa...@harper.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:06:48 -0400, "JM" <jmeye...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Robert" <wayne_s...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:mUx4d.3679$Ec4.1973@trndny04...
> >> The right thing?
> >>
> >> You really are joking.
> >
> >Why don't you invite al-quida over to bomb another 3,000 people or so.
>
> They don't need an invitation. They'll go over there as and when they
> want to - just like the other two times they have.
>
> >You notice one thing all the hits on the USA have stopped.
> >Maybe you don't like that????
>
> Two hits in the history of the US doesn't exactly qualify anyone to
> make the statement "all the hits...".
>
> All this American willy-waving in the middle east has made fuck-all
> difference to al-qaeda except to drive people towards joining them.
>
> The so-called "war on terrorism" has been the biggest recruitment
> boost the terrorists could possibly have hoped for.
>
> As, no doubt, the US and other western countries will find out in due
> course.
>
> Thanks, Yanks, it's just what we all needed. Even *more* instability.
>
> Tossers.
>
> Paul.
>
you traitor!!!
Paul Harper
>Your stupid comments are all we need to cause more instability
>you traitor!!!
Really? To whom?
Reality check, sonny - not all usenet users are Americans, not all
usenet users share American "values" and the vast majority couldn't
give a flying fuck about your stupid "American Dream".
If you can't face the truth, you should stick to watching your beloved
Fox News - that's a mercifully truth-free comfort zone for you.
The basic fact of the matter is, that your actions in Iraq have
increased the likelihood of terrorist attacks, not decreased them.
If you truly, honestly believe that the likelihood of a terrorist
attack has decreased, why is there so much more security around now
than there was a few years ago?
Quite apart, that is, from the fact that it suits your government to
keep you all scared and "dependent" upon them (and therefore more
likely to vote them back again).
Richard DeLuca
Paul Harper <pa...@harper.net> wrote:
>
> Reality check, sonny - not all usenet users are Americans, not all
> usenet users share American "values" and the vast majority couldn't
> give a flying fuck about your stupid "American Dream".
>
I believe you are correct. And that's why I don't live and die by what
Europeans or others think of us.
Paul Harper
Living and dying is one thing. Burying one's head in the sand to the
extent that only large toes are visible is another.
Richard DeLuca
Paul Harper <pa...@harper.net> wrote:
>
> Living and dying is one thing. Burying one's head in the sand to the
> extent that only large toes are visible is another.
>
Fair enough. I'm sure there's a proper balance.
Roedy Green
<KaB0OM!@MAIMED_FOR_OIL.net> wrote or quoted :
>It's also apparent that Americans are more susceptible to being manipulated
>in the first place
>than folks in other countries..
All the propaganda is aimed at Americans. The political parties don't
bother so much to try to brainwash everyone else.
Americans don't realize the effect of soft-censorship -- so much news
that is simply never reported. It is not banned, just never reported.
Outside America it sees the light of day.
Inside America, any news not on TV is not real. It is treated as
rumour, even if were on the front page of a national foreign
newspaper.
American arrogance and a Nazi-like belief in their superiority over
all other nations keeps them in ignorance. If the news is not
American, it is considered worthless.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
Roedy Green
> And that's why I don't live and die by what
>Europeans or others think of us.
You may not thing that, but you do. This is a global village.
If the rest of the world does not help you with your terrorist
problem, you will perish.
Matti Partonen
"Richard DeLuca" <odyssey@-nospam-stny.rr.com> wrote in message
news:odyssey-84727C...@syrcnyrdrs-02-ge0.nyroc.rr.com...
[...]
> I believe you are correct. And that's why I don't live and die by what
> Europeans or others think of us.
Indeed you should not. Get the facts as best you can, consider what weight *you*
give to them, and then decide. This is the foundation of democracy. In the words
of your illustrious countryman Robert Heinlein:
---
What are the facts? Again and again and again -- what are the facts? Shun
wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what "the stars foretell,"
avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable
"verdict of history" -- what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You
pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue. Get the facts!
---
Matti P.
Shannon Jacobs
by these presents greetings. It is good that you seek rational and
democratic discussion of the great and urgent issues facing our nation.
Unfortunately, I think you've come to the wrong place. See the bottom of
this post for additional evidence--but this entire enormous thread is
dedicated to the display of the freshest original parts of such disruptive
anti-democratic tripe. With the witless assistance of the Bushevik trolls,
it only took a short time to build this "tower of babble".
Especially if you remember the old days of rational discussion in the
newsgroups, this triumph of noise over signal may sadden you. However, there
are still alternatives. For example, there are many moderated forums on the
Internet where civil discussions and real conversations can be found. Even
better if you can build bridges to real people in the physical world. For
example, you could treat a rational RINO to a movie--like Fahrenheit 9/11.
Lots of good books still being published, or you could write a letter to the
editor for your local paper--you'll reach more real people and have more
impact than here. Or you could donate to the political campaigns--I confess
I've already made five donations. Just remember that big money is harming
democracy, that BushCo has more money than anyone, and if money alone
decides elections then the American republic is already dead.
On the other hand, if you are a Bushevik troll, then in the immortal words
of the unloved Dick Cheney: "Go fuck yourself." That mentality goes a long
way towards explaining blather like this:
"JM" <jmeye...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:MNz4d.1010$By5.1...@read2.cgocable.net...
> BULL Shit
<old stuff snip>
--
We don't know if 9/11 could have been stopped--but we do know Dubya failed
to stop it. That's the FACT.
You want steady leadership for disastrous change?
Attack, lie, spin. Dubya's REAL trifecta.
Trolls fed to "The vile spewers of mindless blather thread".
Hanoi Jane Fonda
Ubiquitous
>On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:21:03 +0000 (UTC), web...@polaris.net
>(Ubiquitous) wrote:
>>In alt.test Paul Harper <pa...@harper.net> wrote:
>>: On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:10:01 GMT, "Rich" <Ri...@anon.com> wrote:
>>:>OK, so France's electoral votes go to KERRY. Big deal.
>>:
>>: Curious - a nation that pretends to be a (of not *the*) world leader
>>: has a president held in utter contempt by 86% of the rest of the world
>>: and you say it's not a big deal?!
>>
>>Doing the right thing is not always the most popular.
>
>Doing something that 86% of the globe disagrees with is "the right
>thing"?!!!
86% disagreeing with the what is right does not make it wrong.
Paul Harper
wrote:
>In article <eft8j0ld1d08pusj1...@4ax.com>, pa...@harper.net wrote:
>>On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:21:03 +0000 (UTC), web...@polaris.net
>>(Ubiquitous) wrote:
>>>In alt.test Paul Harper <pa...@harper.net> wrote:
>>>: On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:10:01 GMT, "Rich" <Ri...@anon.com> wrote:
>
>>>:>OK, so France's electoral votes go to KERRY. Big deal.
>>>:
>>>: Curious - a nation that pretends to be a (of not *the*) world leader
>>>: has a president held in utter contempt by 86% of the rest of the world
>>>: and you say it's not a big deal?!
>>>
>>>Doing the right thing is not always the most popular.
>>
>>Doing something that 86% of the globe disagrees with is "the right
>>thing"?!!!
>
>86% disagreeing with the what is right does not make it wrong.
Yes, it does. I realise in the US that the thoughts of the majority
are irrelevant, but since "right" and "wrong" are subjective, not
objective, concepts, if 86% disagrees then it's a fairly firm
indication that the 14% need to re-evaluate their stance.